Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 16:44

It looks like Ilyas Kashmiri, the mastermind of Mumbai attacks, has been killed in strike in South Waziristan by Dronacharya. This is reported by AlJazeera and has been secretly confirmed by Paki officials too.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middl ... 75573.html
Let us wait and watch for confirmation.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 04 Jun 2011 17:11

^^^
BBC also has this.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Jun 2011 17:24

gobarganeshml wrote:India should diplomatically declare - "Chinese military base at Gwadar or POK will be taken as an act of War. We consider sub-continent as our legitimate area of influence."

Two reasons -
- This is the right time to set this red-line. Unkil is actively involved in the region right now.
- This will be nice litmus test of Unkil's future intentions/plans in region. Unkil won't afford objecting this stand of India, because that will put them in open hostility towards their public policy of pro-Indian stand. And, this test can test if there is any hidden alliance between US and Chipanda.

What you say guys? we need to be pro-active & assertive.

Wrong thread for me to state my opinion in detail. The idea is a bad one on many counts.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 17:24

Chindu confirms this... so should be true... "Ilyas Kashmiri killed in U.S. drone strike: HuJI" http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... epage=true
More and more news outlets are now reporting this. IK's outfit HuJI - Harkat-ul Jehad-al Islami has also confirmed this. We can expect a busy weekend in Pakiland.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 17:28

shiv wrote:
gobarganeshml wrote:India should diplomatically declare - "Chinese military base at Gwadar or POK will be taken as an act of War. We consider sub-continent as our legitimate area of influence."
What you say guys? we need to be pro-active & assertive.
Wrong thread for me to state my opinion in detail. The idea is a bad one on many counts.

I agree with Shiv...the very basis of going on an offensive against PRC WRT Gawdar is risky. Firstly, PRC has flatly denied that they have been requested or that they are going to take over the port and build a naval base, so why provoke them to take a decision in this regard (just to spite India). Secondly we should never take a decision assuming uncle will support us.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 04 Jun 2011 17:29

One down, 4 more to go. Paki are taking Hillary's riot acts seriously!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jun 2011 17:32

Busy season for houris in heaven...if you go by the youtube mulla who knows his scriptures, a man gets the strength of 100 when he gets to heaven so he can enjoy all 72. At this rate, it is the houris that need the strength of 100 if so many customer line up at short notice..

The key question is how will the mainstream western media report on this? Will they make references to Kashmiris' past links (or even present links) to Pakistan establishment or cover it up to preserve H&D? If they speak the truth, that will spoil TSPs reputation even more...particularly since this 72

Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 04 Jun 2011 17:33

Kashmiri's death
It shows that "if he was on the list" he is the most potent of ISI's tool & is being removed from public eye unless Khan confirms with dna analysis.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jun 2011 17:33

cheenum wrote:Chindu confirms this... so should be true...

Never ever say this, even in jest....let us not honour Stalinist rapist goons' propaganda yellow puppets

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 04 Jun 2011 17:45

Ambar wrote: Whatever the US perfidy maybe when it comes to India, they were right when they said "In a way we are indirectly fighting India's war".

This is nice. So Americans are fighting India's war, and as all pakis claim, pakis are fighting America's war (so in a way, pakis are fighting India's war indirectly). And on top of it, India is not even fighting its own war. SDRE dhoti shivering Indians might be too much cunning to have managed all this so shrewdly !!

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 17:52

India needs fight its war, neither will uncle fight India's war not the Paki's fight uncles. Each one will do the needful to further their own strategic interests. If Desh deludes itself that uncle will do the needful, it will be in for a rude surprise. US at best can call up and read the riot act (after a terror incident) or do an Amirthraj session, that's it!!! beyond that US will go off to butter its toast.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 04 Jun 2011 17:54

cheenum wrote:India needs fight its war, neither will uncle fight India's war not the Paki's fight uncles. Each one will do the needful to further their own strategic interests. If Desh deludes itself that uncle will do the needful, it will be in for a rude surprise. US at best can call up and read the riot act (after a terror incident) or do an Amirthraj session, that's it!!! beyond that US will go off to butter its toast.

Bang on.

But on a more relaxed note, tis a loverly friday, isn't it?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 04 Jun 2011 17:57

http://www.samachar.com/Taliban-fighter ... ffjcd.html

Another one. Not the one that took place thursday our time. An addendum. Lets hope they decimate each other.

OBL's killing has set the cat amongs the pigeons, so to speak. Now kashmiri's will I wonder set off what?

Nice weather for hot aloo tikkis and whiskey.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 04 Jun 2011 18:05

Maybe the drones program just got extended to POK. AOA.

Rest in pieces, son of a biatch.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 18:07

cheenum wrote: IK's outfit HuJI - Harkat-ul Jehad-al Islami has also confirmed this. We can expect a busy weekend in Pakiland.

IK's death is probably a true news otherwise HuJI would have denied the death. This is a big blow to ISI and TSPA. Lot of fun these days.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 04 Jun 2011 18:10

Were the coordinates for IK given by Pak? How else is this sudden success possible in the backdrop of "get IK and MO by July" order by khan..

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 04 Jun 2011 18:10

Gagan wrote:
arunsrinivasan wrote:Question to the gurus, if Ilyas Kashmiri is actually dead - what is the impact on India, TSP, TSPA, etc.
In the short term a little bit.
But this is a dangerous form of employment for these guys. And Pakistan always has replacements ready to take over should the leader meet an untimely 72.

Brigade 313 might get reborn with a new leader and with a new name, but with much of the older foot soldiers intact.

It will be back to business very soon.

I think it would have a medium term impact. The famous, 'wanted-list' inspirational leader is dead, the guy with the track record, the guy with personal relationships with power brokers and ISI, funding sources, the recruiting magnet.

Kind of like the science lab director who has a good track record in getting govt grants and attracting the best post-docs. If the director leaves, no immediate impact, but funding starts to dry up and talented researchers no longer flock there in droves. Eventually, if an equally successful director is appointed, things may return to normal, but major upheaval in the medium term.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 18:11

Per some tweets TTK is saying that he is not dead. But HuJI is saying he is dead.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 04 Jun 2011 18:12

Hellfire missiles dispatching shaheeds to Jannat!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 04 Jun 2011 18:13

Top al Qaeda leader Ilyas Kashmiri killed in US Predator strike

By Bill RoggioJune 4, 2011

kashmiri.JPG

Ilyas Kashmiri, the leader of the Harkat-ul Jihad Islami and al Qaeda's Brigade 313.

The US has killed Ilyas Kashmiri, one of al Qaeda most dangerous military commanders and strategists, in yesterday's Predator airstrike in South Waziristan.

Kashmiri is said to be one of nine member of the al Qaeda-linked Harkat-ul Jihad Islami, or HUJI, who was killed in yesterday's Predator airstrike that leveled a compound in the Wana area of South Waziristan. A Harkat-ul Jihad Islami spokesman told Dawn that Kashmiri was killed in the attack.

US intelligence officials contacted by The Long War Journal said that Kashmiri was indeed a target of the attack, however they could not confirm he was killed.

"HUJI's statement is a sure sign we got him, we are pretty confident he is dead but we cannot confirm 100 percent," one official told The Long War Journal.

The attack took place in an area of South Waziristan controlled by Mullah Nazir, a Taliban commander who has proudly admitted he is also an al Qaeda leader. The Pakistan military refuses to move against Nazir as he is considered a "good Taliban" leader because he does not attack the state. Nazir does shelter al Qaeda and other terror groups, and carries out attacks in Afghanistan.

Several other top al Qaeda leaders have been killed by Predator strikes in Nazir's territories. One of the most senior al Qaeda leaders killed was Midhat Mursi al Sayyid Umar, who is better known as Abu Khabab al Masri. Abu Khabab was killed along with four members of his staff in a Predator strike on July 28, 2008. Also killed on Nazir's turf were Osama al Kini (Fahid Mohammed Ally Msalam), al Qaeda's operations chief in Pakistan; and Sheikh Ahmed Salim Swedan, one of al Kini's senior aides. Both men were wanted by the US for their involvement in the 1998 suicide attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Kashmiri's death would be a major blow to al Qaeda and allied terror groups in the region. He is considered to be one of the contenders to take command of al Qaeda after Osama bin Laden's was killed during a May 2, 2011 raid by US SEALs in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

He is considered by US intelligence to be one of al Qaeda's most effective commanders. He served as the operational chief of the Harkat-ul Jihad Islami, an al which that operates in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh. The Harkat-ul Jihad Islami was designated as a terrorist entity by the US in 2010, and Kashmiri was added to the list of global terrorists for his role in leading HUJI as well as for his links to al Qaeda.

Kashmiri has also been linked to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence directorate, which has viewed him as an asset due to his prowess in fighting the Indians in Jammu and Kashmir. He is said to have been a member of Pakistan's Special Services Group, although he denied it in an interview with the Asia Times in 2010. One legend attributed to Kashmiri is that he beheaded a sepoy and presented the head to General Pervez Musharraf.

In late 2003, Kashmiri was detained by Pakistani police for his alleged role in the assassination of Musharraf, but he was inexplicably released in February 2004. Kashmiri resurfaced in 2007 after the Pakistani military assault on the Lal Masjid in Islamabad and assumed command of Brigade 313. Kashmiri expanded Brigade 313's leadership cadre and rank and file, bringing in members of terror groups such as the Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, Laskhar-e-Jhangvi, and a host of other terror groups, as well as members of Pakistan's military and intelligence services.

As the leader of Brigade 313, Kashmiri took little time in turning on select targets in Pakistan. Brigade 313 has been behind many of the high-profile attacks and bombings inside Pakistan, including multiple assassination attempts against former President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Gilani. He also orchestrated the 2009 attack on Pakistani Army General Headquarters in Rawalpindi and the assault on a naval base in Karachi in May 2011.

Kashmiri was involved in the assassination of Major General Faisal Alvi, the retired commander of the Special Services Group, in Rawalpindi in late 2008. Alvi was killed just months after sending a letter to General Kayani in which he threatened to expose two Pakistani generals' involvement with the Taliban. Also, Kashmiri reportedly drafted a plan to assassinate General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani, Pakistan's top military officer, but the plan was canceled by al Qaeda's senior leadership.

But Kashmiri's sights were not limited to Pakistan. He is thought to have played a major role in the multi-pronged suicide attack against government and security installations in the eastern Afghan province of Khost in May 2009.

Al Qaeda recognized Kashmiri's success, and he was picked to lead the Lashkar al Zil, al Qaeda's paramilitary Shadow Army, which operates along the Afghan-Pakistani border. Kashmiri took control of al Qaeda's military forces after its prior leader, Abdullah Sa'ad al Libi, was killed in a US Predator airstrike in late 2008.

Kashmiri was well-suited for the role, as he has long had experience in running camps in the region. "Since 2001, Kashmiri has led HUJI training camps that specialized in terrorist operations, military tactics, and cross-border operations, including a militant training center in Miramshah, North Waziristan," according to the US Treasury report that added him to the list of specially designated global terrorists.

In 2009, al Qaeda give Kashmir another top role in the terror network: he was appointed to serve as a member of al Qaeda's external operations network, which is assigned to strike at targets in the West. Kashmiri has been directly linked to one plot in the West. In January 2010, a US federal grand jury indicted Kashmiri for plotting to attack the Jyllands-Posten newspaper in Denmark for publishing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/ ... z1OJSlperh

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 04 Jun 2011 18:14

Gus wrote:Were the coordinates for IK given by Pak? How else is this sudden success possible in the backdrop of "get IK and MO by July" order by khan..

no, he's their special asset - perhaps unkil found him independently, or OBL tapes gave him up, or heaven forbid... SDRE's told unkil...

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 04 Jun 2011 18:18

The 313 will definitely retaliate if the death is confirmed.

And when 313 and their supporters do that may both sides go KABOOM.

Like matter meeting anti-matter.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 04 Jun 2011 18:19

Lalmohan wrote:
Gus wrote:Were the coordinates for IK given by Pak? How else is this sudden success possible in the backdrop of "get IK and MO by July" order by khan..
no, he's their special asset - perhaps unkil found him independently, or OBL tapes gave him up, or heaven forbid... SDRE's told unkil...

OBL tapes could not have given GPS coordinates...the other options are more realistic...including Afghan intelligence....but does not matter what is true, as happened with OBL, the civilised world will believe that Unkil got him without TSP helping, jehadis will know that TSPA sold them out...it will be fun all the way..

Fidel Guevara · Post by **Fidel Guevara** » 04 Jun 2011 18:25

Wonder if this was done by the new Avenger drone (first page of this thread)? That is one powerful, wicked piece of hardware. This is one area where the US really wrote the book and pioneered the technology, and combat-tested it like nobody else. Their drones include the equivalent of the Jeep, Ferrari, Rolls-Royce, and Hummer. If the cost can be negotiated right, India definitely should look into getting some of the latest UCAVs...far cry from the UAVs that everybody else uses. Don't think the Europeans, Chinese or Russians have anything like the product range, and combat-tested under such harsh circumstances.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 04 Jun 2011 18:26

well Paki media is full of reports crediting Kashmiri with bonfire of Paki Orions at PNS Mehran and how it was meant to warn Paki Bahariya so maybe the heat of that bonfire got too close for comfort for ISI/TSPA and they decided to cash in on $5 million reward on kashmiri! I sure hope the Huji animals revisit PNS base and start a few more bonfires!!

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 04 Jun 2011 18:30

"We are sure that he was killed. Now we are trying to retrieve the bodies," said the Pakistani intelligence official. "We want to get photographs of the bodies." - Reuters

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 04 Jun 2011 18:31

Have a feeling we are very much involved in these, atleast with handing over intelligence. Both with OBL and this one

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 18:34

Paki ISI and TSPA would never give up their prized possessions like IK, think of it, he is a pretty big guy in AQ now, potentially a leader (in the near future) and through him, they can control AQ. In the meantime milk uncle for toys to hunt AQ and him. With this a golden egg laying goose has been cooked and TSPA can only grin and bear. now GUBO from both sides.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 04 Jun 2011 18:37

cheenum wrote:India needs fight its war, neither will uncle fight India's war not the Paki's fight uncles. Each one will do the needful to further their own strategic interests. If Desh deludes itself that uncle will do the needful, it will be in for a rude surprise. US at best can call up and read the riot act (after a terror incident) or do an Amirthraj session, that's it!!! beyond that US will go off to butter its toast.

Totally agree on that, we should not be under any illusions.Flexing muscles is a good exercise, but after that one has to go kick some butt to taste the glory.We have the reserved right to act,and our stance is perhaps changing politically too, to push more enthusiasm into the country's flagging morale,the governments often take decisions to go to war and win some glory.I wonder how many people in our military set-up are ready for action.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 18:39

I doubt SDREs will be involved much, Afghan Intel very much possible. Think of it, our Hum-int is limited to Pakjab and Sindh. Limited presence within Afghanistan to facilitate Baluchi rebels. IK was in South Wazaristan, I sincerely doubt SDRE input in this. IF SDREs have any hand in this, THEN WE HAVE PENETRATED DEEPLY INTO PAKILAND. We should be having a huge army of informers in all walks of life. which is not impossible but far fetched.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 04 Jun 2011 18:42

Ilyas Kashmiri was given up by TSPA/ISI as part of the list given by Hillary. He was still a member of the ISI's "S Branch".

Note that he was killed in a safe house in Mullah Nazir's area of S.Waziristan. Nazir is openly known as an ISI man.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 18:45

A lot of folks here has lesser confidence on SDREs which is the unfortunate trait of SDREs. A substantial Afghan Intel is SDRE intel. Khan is also depenedent on SDRE intel.

Vinod Ji · Post by **Vinod Ji** » 04 Jun 2011 18:49

Muppalla wrote:A lot of folks here has lesser confidence on SDREs which is the unfortunate trait of SDREs. A substantial Afghan Intel is SDRE intel. Khan is also depenedent on SDRE intel.

This is itself trait of successful agency

, don't you think?

sum · Post by **sum** » 04 Jun 2011 18:54

Rangudu wrote:Ilyas Kashmiri was given up by TSPA/ISI as part of the list given by Hillary. He was still a member of the ISI's "S Branch".
Note that he was killed in a safe house in Mullah Nazir's area of S.Waziristan. Nazir is openly known as an ISI man.

If he is/was "S" Branch still, all the anti-Pak ops credited to him ( GHQ attack, Mehran attack etc) were ISI jobs?

Hope this ignites his minnions to express their anger ( by their usual methods) on TSPA for giving up IK to Amrika..

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 18:59

Vinod Ji wrote:
Muppalla wrote:A lot of folks here has lesser confidence on SDREs which is the unfortunate trait of SDREs. A substantial Afghan Intel is SDRE intel. Khan is also depenedent on SDRE intel.
This is itself trait of successful agency , don't you think?

True. It has its advantages.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 04 Jun 2011 19:01

rajanb wrote:The 313 will definitely retaliate if the death is confirmed.

And when 313 and their supporters do that may both sides go KABOOM.

Like matter meeting anti-matter.

Matter meeting anti-matter leaves radioactive decay and radiation behind. Hope to see massive radioactive decay in Pakiland when this happens

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Jun 2011 19:03

Vinod Ji wrote:
Muppalla wrote:A lot of folks here has lesser confidence on SDREs which is the unfortunate trait of SDREs. A substantial Afghan Intel is SDRE intel. Khan is also depenedent on SDRE intel.
This is itself trait of successful agency , don't you think?

Exactly. The longer it remains like that the more successful hits it can deliver and the less political pressure they would be in. The chain of command is also worthy of praise here. Who ever has the intel is passing on to the right persons. We really are in good hands.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Jun 2011 19:05

Anantha wrote:
rajanb wrote:The 313 will definitely retaliate if the death is confirmed.

And when 313 and their supporters do that may both sides go KABOOM.

Like matter meeting anti-matter.
Matter meeting anti-matter leaves radioactive decay and radiation behind. Hope to see massive radioactive decay in Pakiland when this happens

I just hope it is not too close to the Indian border. We should also be afraid about the radio active cloud in the aftermath and its long term effects in India.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 04 Jun 2011 19:07

sum wrote:If he is/was "S" Branch still, all the anti-Pak ops credited to him ( GHQ attack, Mehran attack etc) were ISI jobs?

Hope this ignites his minnions to express their anger ( by their usual methods) on TSPA for giving up IK to Amrika..

OBL's death and IK's death will create mini-Lalmasjid redux. Probably we may be already seeing that via Mehran (though it may be a joint ops of foreign-intel+TSPN dissidents)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 Jun 2011 19:08

Rangudu wrote:Ilyas Kashmiri was given up by TSPA/ISI as part of the list given by Hillary. He was still a member of the ISI's "S Branch".

Note that he was killed in a safe house in Mullah Nazir's area of S.Waziristan. Nazir is openly known as an ISI man.

This looks pretty much like the final days of the Nazi Germany. AoA!