The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Jun 2011 20:22

Ramdev to return to delhi this evening. I'm smelling major revolution happening. Congress seems to be in emergency mode.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 05 Jun 2011 20:23

Police birathers say congress party directed them to attack Ramdev's satyagraha

Decision to swoop down at Ramlila political: police

New Delhi, June 5 (PTI) The decision to conduct the mid night operation at Ramlila Maidan, the venue of Baba Ramdev's hunger strike, was a "political" one, a top Delhi police official said here today.

The operation, which caught Ramdev and his supporters unaware, began after 1 am and it was almost over within couple of hours.

Kaala Dhan
Kaali Raat
Korrupt Kangress

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 05 Jun 2011 21:10

kmkraoind wrote:I am a strong supporter of Digvijaya Singh. Every time he opens his stinking mouth he is making people angry on Congress, good job. He is doing a great job even BJP cannot do, because they are communal. He is a Shakuni in Koruava party.

I am afriad this is not that simple. INC is playing good cop, bad cop game. Sonia, MMS and Youraj are good cop, they speak all humanity and glorious ideals. Digvijay Singh, now replacing Arjun singh, plays bad cop, and targets specific sector.

The purpose of Digvijay is just to attrach IM community by whatever means - by politicing Karkere death issue, or this Ramdev baba abuse. It just delights some sections of IM community and they get attracted to INC. Points scored.

The larger non-IM community doesnot give heed to Digvijay neither asks clarifications from MMS/Madam/Yuvraj, they just ignore it, so no negative points here. In every public rally, MMS, Madam and Yuvraj will speak only about magnamious gandhian congress that was pre 1947.

Thus no harm to INC actually. What BJP needs to do is to link statements from likes of Digvijay / Arjun Singh to party leadership. Party leadership cannot just disown them by saying it's personal statement and still reap it's benefits (as result of IM appesement). Madam is too cleaver and is been playing this double game for last 1 decade successfully !!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Jun 2011 21:19

Sonia offers chadar at Ajmer; Will it save from Baba?

http://news.oneindia.in/2011/06/05/soni ... d0102.html

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 05 Jun 2011 21:19

Digvijay Singh is a Sonia Gandhi spokesman. If he is attacking Swami Ramdev, then it is the Nehru family's way of letting everybody know that they are behind this fascist act.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 05 Jun 2011 22:03

Ramdev prevented from entering Noida, restarts fast in Haridwar

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 05 Jun 2011 22:08

If the people of India cannot make the logical link of Doggy to Antonio Maino, then it is a lost cause already. Nothing BJP can do there. Doggy always barks when he is in an IM setting, without exception. This time he even had an arabic style scarf in his left hand while barking.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 05 Jun 2011 22:13

Raghavendra wrote:Ramdev prevented from entering Noida, restarts fast in Haridwar

How can you prevent some one from travelling any where in India? What was the reason this time?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 05 Jun 2011 22:18

this time the anti UPA forces have tokeep the pressure -

Its amazing how retards like Digvijay singh volunteer tobecome rabid attack dogs of the dynasty.

shameful turd

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jun 2011 22:21

^^^

it is interesting how Khan-bollywood complex is frothing at the mouth about Baba Ramdev. first SRK, and now Salman Khan. crooks and traitors masquerading as Indians. these bollywood Khans have as much hatred for anything "Hindu" as the most fervent Islamists...

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Jun 2011 22:22

Muppalla on 27 Feb 2011, 12:57 on India Interests thread wrote:INC becoming too nervy with Baba Ramdev is just one reason and that is North India. INC wants Baba Ramdev to become big so that there are two fighting poles for hindu causes. It did that on the regional fronts in TN and AP and also Maha. Now it needs to do that in places where there is a straight fight between BJP and INC. By being critical on Baba Ramdev his prominence will increase. I will even bet that there will be more followers to Babaji in the coming months and then there will be a lot of slush money that these followers will use to increase the following for Baba.

I still think this operation is underway. It is very planned. They increased the profile of baba (with or without his knowledge) to new heights. INC did not lose anything last night as far as I can tell. There are no elections and all they need is someone who can take away a chunk of rural votes away from BJP in Hindi heartland.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 05 Jun 2011 22:28

My prediction is that the congress will continue to play the saffron vs secular card and declare that in the interest of communal harmony emergency powers will be exercised. Delhi is already literally fortifying itself. I have a feeling that the pressure will now steadily increase especially after the illegal expulsion of BR.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 05 Jun 2011 22:32

If emergency is promulgated we all need to find a different gufa on internet and the gufa needs to be changed often as cops will be after every forum.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 05 Jun 2011 22:35

Dilbu wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:Ramdev prevented from entering Noida, restarts fast in Haridwar
How can you prevent some one from travelling any where in India? What was the reason this time?

Section 144 was imposed, the real reason is jagjahir, sabotage this anti-corruption agitation by any means.

Rajiv Dixit was heart attacked, YSR was helicoptered but Ramdev is fit and travels in jet planes, so big pareshani for sonia on how to kill this baba and save her kaala dhan in swiss bank accounts

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jun 2011 22:36

there is deep thinking in Baba Ramdev's philosophy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_nRLuqyTYY

once again, how do you embed videos directly, and not just links???

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jun 2011 22:39

we might need a new thread for what increasingly seems like Emergency 2.0. BRadmins should seriously start checking out options for crackdown by INC...

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 05 Jun 2011 22:40

^ devesh use letters after equal to sign and embed it within youtube tags

Like this

Code: Select all

[youtube]f_nRLuqyTYY[/youtube]

ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 05 Jun 2011 22:42

Muppalla wrote: I still think this operation is underway. It is very planned. They increased the profile of baba (with or without his knowledge) to new heights. INC did not lose anything last night as far as I can tell. There are no elections and all they need is someone who can take away a chunk of rural votes away from BJP in Hindi heartland.

Not sure if it will work that way. After last nights drastic police action, even on the fence Psecs are having to side with Baba Ramdev since the action was way over the top to be brushed under the carpet as justly deserved. In fact, it has made it difficult for Human Rights persons like Nandita Rao or whatever her name is, to come out and criticize Baba Ramdev now or even support GoI action.

However, I agree that the response from Congress and GoI seems to be carefully calibrated to raise hackles. Now what will happen if Baba Ramdev will start a political party and field candidates? BJP is not doing great across the cow belt and neither is congress. Losers will be regional parties if at all, but Ramdevs party might mark a strong presence. In this hypothetical situation, Ramdev is more likely to align with BJP rather than congress, so why cut ones own alliance partners and hand the vote share to a person who might align with the opposition.

My feeling is that this is ordered from the very top of the congress party by the very same person who ordered the illegal detention of Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley in Kashmir. The method is the same, so there is no reason to suspect that the persons who initiated it is different. Again, blame will be on state government since its a state issue. Realistically, Congress seems to have analysed the results from recent elections and concluded that the situation is already out of hand, so best muddy the waters, cut the loses and if need be impose emergency.

Ryan Maguire · Post by **Ryan Maguire** » 05 Jun 2011 22:53

Ajatshatru wrote:Even if you feel outraged at what happened today morning, please don't use this event as a pretext to make statements (intentionally or unintentionally) which may be deemed or interpreted as, perhaps, trying to justify Naxalism in any form, kind or manner....

FWIW, you would agree when I say it may be even possible to convey a message in a forceful manner without, perhaps, resorting to such colourful language as a mode of expression....

Keep this patronizing lecture of morality to yourself. you can do better than taking personal digs at people or adding flame-baits, at such time.

I know my democratic rights and abusing head of state in verbal manner comes under this right too. This is not IRAN, where you will throw me in jail for abusing head of state in public.

And mind your own business. Don't act Moderator here if you are not one. MMS is not a saint or religious figure that you are so mischievously provoking people here, on how to talk properly about him. Its my constitutional right to express my anger openly verbally, without abusing any religious figure and you can't stop me.

You sound like spokesman of Congress.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 05 Jun 2011 22:55

Raghavendra garu, thank you.

Ryan Maguire · Post by **Ryan Maguire** » 05 Jun 2011 23:20

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ManjaM · Post by **ManjaM** » 05 Jun 2011 23:21

Martenullla, I am thinking that GoI is indeed divorced from reality. When people like Mulayam and Naveen Patnaik, rank opportunists both of them, are coming out in the open and clearly taking a anti GoI stand, one gets an idea of the popular opinion in their fields of influence.

Ryan Maguire · Post by **Ryan Maguire** » 05 Jun 2011 23:26

India has been hijacked by a group of anglo-Indian traders, their foreign masters and British Indian Congress.

I still remember words of Sam Pitroda on NDTV, ..such arrogance, such cavaliar attitude towards non-english speakers. That summed up whole drama to me.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 06 Jun 2011 00:16

Ryan Maguire wrote: One more fact - Our liberals/elites are crying foul about first Chinese winning a single women's French open title, as first Asian and complaining how China is getting so much respect. These elites/liberals has simply missed the basic point - Chinese get respect in world because they value, preserve their language, cultural roots. May Indians win 10 French Open titles, but at end of day, world will say - English speaking puppet from British English India won French open.

Wow

First I've heard this

If you know anything about China, they have gone to great lengths to demolish their roots and ape the west. language is important but only one aspect of the huge whole.

Tanaji · Post by **Tanaji** » 06 Jun 2011 00:46

Boss, nothing is going to happen of this Ramdev thing. The INC are seasoned operators: they have to a major extent succeeded in tarring Baba as the evil RSS and an opportunist with the repeated hammering of "rs. 50000 / seat for yoga teaching" mantra. The majority of the people are not going to come out in support of Ramdev Baba on account of this.

They will treat Anna Hazare with kid gloves though, and that is the conflict to watch. Sadly, expecting anything from the BJP is in vain.The INC has proved that it can run rings around the BJP in terms of strategy and realpolitik while BJP comes across as a party running around as headless chickens. For any sane party, this would have been a golden opportunity to capitalize: price rise in essential commodities and corruption, two things that hit the common man the most. But the BJP has repeatedly failed to capitalize on it, for whatever reason.... sad.. The BJP seems to be bereft of ideas and imagination: there are quite a few radical steps it could take to up the ante and bring it in the forefront:

Sack Yeduriappa for starters, and join the anti corruption movement in earnest. Get Vajpayee to go on an indefinite fast to death on this topic. He is frail anyway, imagine what this will bring about.
Go to town on corruption. Organize mini rallies in every mohalla.
All BJP sitting MPs in parliament should resign saying corruption is the main reason.

ityadi... sadly BJP is rudderless...

The INC is coming across like a party drunk with power and feeling that it can do no wrong. It would be wonderful if a Gandhian can bring about its down fall.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 06 Jun 2011 00:55

The queen bee is now being attacked directly by Ramdev. Prohibitory orders in New Delhi will probably be extended past June 11th. I think saturating New Delhi with supporters and forcing the gov out is now the agenda. I expect the gov to invoke stronger draconian measures over the next 2 weeks if this movement starts picking up steam.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 06 Jun 2011 02:19

The movement will peter out. It will take 6-7 years before any of these "leaders" will be in a position to take advantage of the fallout. Land deals etc will be used and people who surround him will be used too. But it has some positive psycho-social impact. Its just one more step towards the alienation of the regime from the future generations. But a very very small step.

The gov has one big stick to beat these movements. Unlike the Brits, the regime can cite legitimacy of elected representation. So such over the top reactions and selection of targets - compare the difference of reaction to AH and BR - only exposes the deeper ideological affiliations of the core of the regime. That is advantageous.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Jun 2011 02:34

Digvijay’s house attacked

The bungalow of AICC general secretary Digvijay Singh was attacked here on Sunday night. The police have not registered any case till date.

Sources said around two dozen persons reached the Shyamla Hills bungalow of Singh and shouting slogans pelted stoned on the house. As soon as the security guard came forth challenging the miscreants, they fled away. Later, the guard informed the police.

In-charge SSP Yogesh Choudhary told The Pioneer that it was a minor incident. On receipt of information, a police team was sent there but nothing was found. If the guard wishes to lodge a complaint, an FIR would be registered, he added.

Since, Singh is away, there was nobody in the bungalow. The attack on his house is considered as an incident of retaliation, after Baba Ramdev’s satyagrah was forcibly ended in New Delhi and Singh had termed Baba as a thug.

Madhya Pradesh Congress spokesman JP Dhanopia has alleged that the attack at Digvijay Singh’s house was pre-planned by RSS and BJP.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/343833/Digv ... acked.html

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Jun 2011 02:52

The government is expected to widen the scope of the crackdown in a multi-pronged thrust aimed at Ramdev’s suspected financiers.

In what is being considered a shot across the bows, the Enforcement Directorate is learnt to have sent a notice on Saturday to a well-known business house, said to be financing the yoga practitioner, in Uttar Pradesh.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110606/j ... 076827.jsp

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 06 Jun 2011 04:02

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/ndtv-s ... /201730?hp

@ 4.35 Mani Shanker Ayer compares Baba Ramdev to Hitler.

(and again at 09.50)

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Jun 2011 04:14

http://www.amarujala.com/national/nat-A ... 11852.html

Last para of the above says that Baba wrote letter under threat and only to avoid arrest at hotel Claridges.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 06 Jun 2011 06:29

Anti Corruption Front was formed back in April:

Swami Ramdev will be the Patron of this newly announced front with Noted Thinker & Political Ideologue K N Govindacharya as its Convener together with Prof. R Vaidyanathan of IIM Bangalore and Shri Bhure Lal as Co-Conveners. Other members of this front would include S Gurumurthy, Shri Ajit Doval (ex-IB chief), Shri Ved Pratap Vaidik, and Shri Bhishm Agnihotri. it was attended by Former Chief Justice J.S Verma, Subhash Kashyap and Former CEC N. Gopalaswamy. Other experts who deliberated across panel sessions over 2 days included Former CBI Chief Joginder Singh, B R Lal, Amb. Satish Chandra, Vijai Kapoor, M D Nalapat, Prof. Arun Kumar, Bhure Lal, and Dr. Jai Prakash Narayan. International delegates included Rolland Lomme, David Spencer, Nuria Molina sharing their experiences on tax heavens and black money trails.

The Speakers emphasized on the menace of Indian black money that has been stashed, estimated at $472 Billions abroad - much of it sourced in "corruption kickbacks and crime" and on the method of recovering back the money. This kind of capital brought back to the nations can change the face of India. The most vital suggestion that was made by Justice Venkatachaliah was to enact an ordinance to nationalize all undeclared Indian assets abroad with the right that anyone may prove that he acquired his assets legitimately. Justice Verma emphasized that for the top man being just honest is not enough. If you cannot check dishonesty, there is no point in being honest and one should better quit.

Shri. Gurumurthy and Subramanian Swamy also deliberated upon how international black money tops $23 trillions and has been laundered and used in the open economy through tax havens; they also deliberated upon the fact that most of the global black money belongs to Asia but used and invested in the West which has therefore a vested interest in keeping status quo despite severe opposition from the rest of the world. Many speakers had mentioned the Hasan Ali and Quattarochi cases and also the exposures by magazines like Schweizer Illustrierte of Switzerland and by writers like Yuvegina Albalts of Russia which show families of former Prime Ministers having funds abroad.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jun 2011 07:21

Ramdev's meeting has been dealt with by GoI using more force than anything used against Pakistani terrorists. How come the government did not send a dossier to Baba Ramdev?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 06 Jun 2011 07:32

^Baba Ramdev did not have the backing of a nukes and amrika, hence, no need for dossiers.

manju · Post by **manju** » 06 Jun 2011 07:48

I think we should the name of this dhaaga or open another dhaaga..

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 06 Jun 2011 08:15

^^^

i propose the new name for the dhaga: "Search for dignity: Rise of mass politics in 21st century India"

it is indeed astonishing that Badal, Mulayam, Mayawati, Naveen, and Nitish are all saying the same thing. these leaders represent the arc from Punjab to Orissa. basically a North+East axis....now if we get Mamata, then the arc will be complete...

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 06 Jun 2011 08:29

The late night crackdown on sleeping Indians, peacefully protesting in Delhi brings to mind a similar recent incident in a Family Run Oil Company calling itself a country - Bahrain.

The difference being - the police that attacked the peaceful sleeping protesters in Pearl Square in Manama, Bahrain were Pakistani rent-a-thugs, while in Delhi it was the Indian Police whose mandate must be to protect the citizens of the country.

Every self respecting Indian hangs their head in shame that such an event came to pass on Ramlila Grounds.

This is a government that seems to be intellectually challenged in not only dealing with sworn enemies of India like Pakistan but is totally befuddled in dealing with the legitimate and peaceful aspirations and protests of it's own citizens.

This is a government where Prime Minister Man Mohan Singh remains conspicuously silent for 5 days after 26/11 before addressing the nation, ditto during unraveling of the mega scams - CWG and 2G, ditto for the current shameful, unlawful and undemocratic police action in Delhi on peaceful sleeping protesters.

We have a situation where a Party President (Sonia Gandhi) seems to order cabinet meetings and actions.

Where is the leadership, where is the accountability???

Is the whole of India watching this emasculation of a glorious civilization and people??

Hoping that the electorate will teach the ruling party a lesson at the hustings that it will never forget...

The frustrations of the people of India were encapsulated in the peaceful protests of Anna Hazare and Baba Ramdev. The Government of the ruling Congress Party has thrown a very ham handed and gauntlet at them and Indian public at large... bringing like minded forces together.

The "manthan" has been joined in right earnest...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Jun 2011 08:50

sum · Post by **sum** » 06 Jun 2011 09:15

Best reason for the midnight action provided till now in DDM:
UPA weighs pros and cons of action against Ramdev

What remains to be answered is why did the government go for a high-voltage action, just two hours after sending its second letter of assurance on the slew of demands to the fasting Yoga guru and without waiting for his response. While Delhi Police have maintained that the action was carried out because there was a terror threat, others described it as high-handed reminding them of the Emergency.

The action has led one to ponder as to what implication of it would have on the Congress and UPA, politically. Government and party sources told Deccan Herald that the decision-makers arrived at this well thought-out ‘solution’ to the issue after a lot of deliberation and calculations on its pros and cons.

“The government was worried over civil society garnering groundswell of support recently. Now, on top of it came the Baba Ramdev’s fast which too was turning out to be hugely popular. We have calculated everything and decided that it will not have major impact for either Congress or the UPA”, sources said.

They added: “Even if it did (have some impact), it would be temporary. We are happy, BJP and its right-wing organisations are fully behind Ramdev. Finally, the BJP-Baba may come together. It is easy to counter and handle BJP than either Ramdev or civil society”.
Why the police action? “First of all, we have the mandate to rule. We have often been criticised for being weak. How many times we should be seen as surrendering? Still, we always took decisions which were most deserving. The current controvery will fizzle out” sources said.

Congress insiders dismissed possibilities of any long-term political implications. “There will be no impact. The Baba may be popular in UP, which is going to the polls next year, but it will have no fall-out. Yes, there may be further consolidation of BJP and right-wing organisation but we are not worried about it,” they explained.

Basically, public memory is short and so this will have no "long term effects", as per UPA mandarins. Hence, this is a deliberate, well thought out move.

Makes sense going by public voting patterns, like voting in INC even after 26/11 in Mah etc...

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 06 Jun 2011 09:27

Peaceful protests are allowed, but only in J&K.

Space must be allowed for peaceful protests in Kashmir: Chidambaram

After the Centre unveiled the eight-point Plan for Jammu and Kashmir, the situation there had improved considerably and the process must be strengthened. “Space must be allowed for peaceful protests. Governance and delivery on the ground must improve. Visible presence of security forces must be reduced,” he said.