Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 03 Jun 2011 14:38

And according to them this is Jihad, holy war, and the dead guy was a martyr. AND for the martyr to get his post-martrydom benefits package from god-almighty, he has to be buried the 'proper' way

me Duh! Tubelight!

That's why OBL was given a propah burial to claim the package.

Santosh Pandey · Post by **Santosh Pandey** » 04 Jun 2011 13:29

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/04/ilyas-ka ... trike.html

Ilyas kashmiri probably met his 72..

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 04 Jun 2011 13:43

it depends upon how the ground based human intelligence was obtained. If the CIA field agents personally undertook the humint ops then by now illass would be enjoying his 72. If the relied on the eye-ass-eye for humint than its quite likely that some look alike was hallaaled . then once he reaches jannat he ll be detained by the immigration officials their

Santosh Pandey · Post by **Santosh Pandey** » 04 Jun 2011 18:14

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 723456.cms

finally kashmiri gets blown away by un-kill.. these drones must be giving nightmares to talibs

Indranil · Post by **Indranil** » 04 Jun 2011 18:49

Santosh Pandey wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 723456.cms

finally kashmiri gets blown away by un-kill.. these drones must be giving nightmares to talibs

I am not a conspiracy theory believer. But this time, I believe it is a cover up by Pakistan. Within 1 week of America giving an 'ultimatum' to Pakistan to bring Kashmiri to justice, he is killed. Zardari says he knows nothing.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Jun 2011 18:59

I am not a conspiracy theory believer.

Here is one to set a forest on fire. The PAF used an American supplied F-16 to kill Kashmiri.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 04 Jun 2011 19:43

NRao wrote:Here is one to set a forest on fire. The PAF used an American supplied F-16 to kill Kashmiri.

Was it a Solah? i thought it was Dronacharya's blessings? If it were a Solah, we can expect more Pataka's in PAF bases, maybe Jacobbabad or Mushak is next.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 04 Jun 2011 20:51

NRao wrote:
I am not a conspiracy theory believer.
Here is one to set a forest on fire. The PAF used an American supplied F-16 to kill Kashmiri.

the funniest country in the world. Claiming to use a fighter bomber to kill 1 single person.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 04 Jun 2011 20:52

cheenum wrote:
NRao wrote:Here is one to set a forest on fire. The PAF used an American supplied F-16 to kill Kashmiri.
Was it a Solah? i thought it was Dronacharya's blessings? If it were a Solah, we can expect more Pataka's in PAF bases, maybe Jacobbabad or Mushak is next.

irsha allah

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 05 Jun 2011 07:10

This article on the PNS Mehran attack is pretty detailed. Especially on the tactics, training and discipline of the attackers

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13508864

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 05 Jun 2011 09:10

^ Was discussed in strat forum after the attacks.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 05 Jun 2011 14:22

Speaking of Pakishopped, Is this real ?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 Jun 2011 14:32

LOL even the shadows have been photoshopped

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jun 2011 16:43

finally - the stealth bandar. note the next-gen opaque IRST housing the kaala-aakhen IRST.

*dhoti shiver, double dhoti shiver*

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 05 Jun 2011 17:22

Singha wrote:finally - the stealth bandar.

Vulgar but appropriate emoticon. Not family friendly

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 05 Jun 2011 17:30

Singha wrote:finally - the stealth bandar. note the next-gen opaque IRST housing the kaala-aakhen IRST.

*dhoti shiver, double dhoti shiver*

singha saar opaque IRST TO Dikh rahaaa hain. (provided it truly is an IRST and not just a piece of metal made to look like one)

what indicates stealth. ye baat kuch hajam nahin hui.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 05 Jun 2011 18:02

it is so stealthy it only operates in cyberspace...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Jun 2011 18:34

and there too the IP addr of poster is not traceable.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 05 Jun 2011 20:43

The photoshoppers are really starved for inspiration.

The copied the IRST from the PAK-FA.
But the Cheena photoshoppers probably would have thought that the PAK in PAK-FA meant Pakhistan.

BTW I like the sharp edges on the IRST.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 05 Jun 2011 23:11

Pakistan war-gaming to counter India's military plan

The Pakistan Army's Karachi-based V Corps launched the exercise a fortnight ago in the desert terrain between its Sindh and Punjab provinces that abut the Thar desert around Sadiqabad, senior Indian intelligence sources told IANS here.
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The Pakistan Army's V Corps has among its formations a mechanised division with battle tanks and armoured personnel carriers, two infantry divisions, and an independent artillery brigade.

Raised in 1975, the corps, known as the Victory Corps, would be Pakistan's first line of defence, as it is spread over the Sindh and southern Punjab provinces, along its eastern borders.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 05 Jun 2011 23:29

JF-17 visit to Turkey ( via keypubs )

specs
JF-17 Flight Display

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 06 Jun 2011 07:34

shiv wrote:
Singha wrote:finally - the stealth bandar.
Vulgar but appropriate emoticon. Not family friendly

ShivJi at his Classiest Best

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jun 2011 08:47

Austin wrote:JF-17 visit to Turkey ( via keypubs )
JF-17 Flight Display

Interesting. The performance is similar to the Zhuhai performance.
The plane does:
360 degree turn from 41 sec to 1:03 sec (22 sec)
180 degree turn from 1:48 to 2:00 (12 sec)
Half loop from 3:25 to 3:36 (11 sec)
Half loop from 3:50 to 4:02 (12 sec)
The plane does not complete a loop at all in this performance.
Overall a 5 to 5.5 G performance.
Why does it keep jettisoning fuel?

JF-17 compared with SDRE LCA prototype restricted to 6 G for the airshow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V4waXZLxSE

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 06 Jun 2011 11:34

PAF F-16 (11th Squadron 'Arrows') at Izmir Air Show

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFbjjxPp ... r_embedded[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFbjjxPp ... r_embedded

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 06 Jun 2011 11:43

indranilroy wrote:
Santosh Pandey wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 723456.cms

finally kashmiri gets blown away by un-kill.. these drones must be giving nightmares to talibs
I am not a conspiracy theory believer. But this time, I believe it is a cover up by Pakistan. Within 1 week of America giving an 'ultimatum' to Pakistan to bring Kashmiri to justice, he is killed. Zardari says he knows nothing.

yeah appears that way, apparently they did take some credit for the killing too which usually they prefer not to on the issue of drones

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/06/pakistan ... ports.html

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 06 Jun 2011 12:01

> why does it keep jettisoning fuel?

I do not see it. I see smoky trail from klimov engine , and momentary white vortice formations.....no fuel dump which should be a thick slow white cloud like this pic.
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/asset ... byajet.jpg

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 06 Jun 2011 12:11

Fizzleya pilot. Look at his patch "Thunder Rider" -- probably operates JF-17. A sincere question -- how does he put on oxygen masks and such?

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 06 Jun 2011 12:12

Singha wrote:these are like high end hobby kits, plenty of videos in youtube of similar kit used by enthusiasts all over the place. the pakis probably trawled a few places and bought the rights to make and market some of these.

the real meat of the matter - the payloads is listed under expansion options. which is to say the customer had better arrange for it.

APPARENTLY, some are used by Mexican border forces....

Ramin · Post by **Ramin** » 06 Jun 2011 12:14

Anujan wrote:Fizzleya pilot. Look at his patch "Thunder Rider" -- probably operates JF-17. A sincere question -- how does he put on oxygen masks and such?

appears to be ground crew guy....based on another pic where ground crew guys were wearing the same uniform

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 06 Jun 2011 12:55

^^^ Looks like a Corporal rank.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 06 Jun 2011 13:32

Probably moved to JF-17 team because he was sabotaging the F-16s

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 06 Jun 2011 13:40

Singha wrote:> why does it keep jettisoning fuel?

I do not see it. I see smoky trail from klimov engine , and momentary white vortice formations.....no fuel dump which should be a thick slow white cloud like this pic.
http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/asset ... byajet.jpg

No. Watch carefully. Fuel is jettisoned at
1. 42 seconds
2. 1 min 20 sec
3. 1 min 22 sec
4. 1 min 30 sec
5. 1 min 33 sec
6. 1 min 48 sec
7. 2 min 19 sec
8. 4 min 04 sec
9. 4 min 31 sec
10. 4 min 36 sec

Some are small releases. Some are prolonged and spectacular. All from a vent that appears to be on the starboard wing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Duv7cQeoGSU

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 06 Jun 2011 15:10

Gagan wrote:Probably moved to JF-17 team because he was sabotaging the F-16s

Now we will see the newj of the sabotaged 17 meeting its 72.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 07 Jun 2011 05:50

Pakistan army morale lowest since 1971 war with India

Critics have alleged the army's standing hasn’t been this poor since it lost Pakistan’s eastern flank, now called Bangladesh, in the 1971 Indo-Pakistani war.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 07 Jun 2011 05:56

Pakistan's alarming nuclear arsenal

Recently it was reported that Pakistan had sold two nuclear warheads to Saudi Arabia, kept separately under heavy guard in Pakistani bases for possible use in future, as well as Ghauri II Missiles with a range of 2300 km. These could provide Saudi Arabia with a deterrent against a nuclear Iran. Given the strong strategic, military, and political relations between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, this type of cooperation would be seen as mutually beneficial. Financial support from Saudi Arabia for Pakistan's nuclear programme would also be an added benefit.

Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 07 Jun 2011 06:37

^good article that. I've had a sneaking feeling that this is exactly what might happen - JDAMs delivered in India - Pak blames "non state" actors - what does India do? Even worse, they track some of the fissile material to China (saw some movie wherein they were able to do so).

How does India react? What sort of emergency systems do they have in place? Time to start stockpiling on some emergency stuff - meds, basic etc methinks. Probly invest in homesteads away from big cities. Does not look good.

CM

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 07 Jun 2011 06:39

SSG Brigadier on Mehran attack:

When people say there were only four or five attackers, I think they are correct. Had there been more, they would have divided into two teams, with one team going for the Orions while the second team waited. Once the Orions were destroyed, the second team would rush in, destroy the C-130s and exfiltrate, but since they were four, they went straight for the Orions, which were clearly their primary targets. They then opted to fight to the death, marking this clearly as a fedayeen mission.

Would it be possible to know the layout and capabilities of the base so well without inside information?

That cannot be ruled out, because from experience I know that there are soldiers who, when they go back to their villages, come under the influence of the village mullahs’ sermons, and are then motivated to help the Jihadis. This kind of thinking now exists in the rank and file in all three services. They are ripe for recruitment, and the Jihadis know this............The way it has to be done is that intelligence officials join as fresh recruits and attempt to penetrate the networks

. Then they can identify who the Jihadi elements or sympathetic elements are so they can be dealt with, or even lead to the ringleaders.

In Mehran, there were were two groups of VPs in the base: the air force and the navy. The attackers entered from the air force side and went straight for the Naval VPs, so where was the air force? There was no coordination even within the base! We have countless agencies, but we need a body to coordinate their activities.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Jun 2011 07:09

Cain Marko wrote:^good article that. I've had a sneaking feeling that this is exactly what might happen - JDAMs delivered in India - Pak blames "non state" actors - what does India do? Even worse, they track some of the fissile material to China (saw some movie wherein they were able to do so).

How does India react? What sort of emergency systems do they have in place? Time to start stockpiling on some emergency stuff - meds, basic etc methinks. Probly invest in homesteads away from big cities. Does not look good.

CM

Atomic weapons cannot be exploded without state support. they are too complex. There can be no such theing a JDAM. Pakistan cannot hide behind a burqa of JDAM. For a detailed discussion look at the "Pakistan nuclear capability and sites" thread in the other forum

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... &start=200

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 07 Jun 2011 08:05

VinodTK wrote:Pakistan's alarming nuclear arsenal
Recently it was reported that Pakistan had sold two nuclear warheads to Saudi Arabia, kept separately under heavy guard in Pakistani bases for possible use in future, as well as Ghauri II Missiles with a range of 2300 km. These could provide Saudi Arabia with a deterrent against a nuclear Iran. Given the strong strategic, military, and political relations between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, this type of cooperation would be seen as mutually beneficial. Financial support from Saudi Arabia for Pakistan's nuclear programme would also be an added benefit.

Its highly implausible that they developed MIRV even with china help. MIRV needs tremendous advance in civilian space industry. Pakistan lacks even a rudimentary space program. You cannot smuggle a nuke warhead and explode it. It needs codes to activate it. If the nukes go berserk than definitely the state is behind it. However I agree that their program is over ambitious . They have grandiose anti Israeli ambitions. The policies that help in nuke defense are anti ballistic missiles , striking down of installations early in war and credible intelligence. The author over emphasized the role of civil defence for the purpose. We should not let it come to that point in the first place. Overall a mediocre article from technical point of view. But since it comes from a diplomat it serves its purpose of reiterating the role of the state of pakistan (if such a thing exists) as a proliferator of nukes. KSA as a benefactor must be under unkil auspices. I ll raise the issue with my friendly neighborhood senator back at states. Of course it would not make any difference, but I love irritating the chap. I once suggested him to get his hip replaced in India . He stopped short of asking me why is emigrated if I loved India so much in the first place.

GeorgeM · Post by **GeorgeM** » 07 Jun 2011 08:12

Airavat wrote:SSG Brigadier on Mehran attack:

When people say there were only four or five attackers, I think they are correct. .... They then opted to fight to the death, marking this clearly as a fedayeen mission.

Would it be possible to know the layout and capabilities of the base so well without inside information?

That cannot be ruled out, because from experience I know that there are soldiers who, when they go back to their villages, come under the influence of the village mullahs’ sermons, and are then motivated to help the Jihadis. This kind of thinking now exists in the rank and file in all three services. ....

Airavat,
Me thinks glorifying the capability of these attackers to Chuck Norris level is a way of covering their own blunders and in-capabilities. The SSG Brig. himself goes on to say that this is Fedayeen mission. You bet they totally underestimated the capability of these attackers and paid the price. The fellow lost his face and now there is blame game going on between the Paki Navy and Paki Air Force. We have seen this sort of mud slinging after Kargil too.

Now there is panic in the rank and file of their defence forces after Mehran. They are slowing realizing the size of the bull in the room. Funny thing is they have to take this bull down by themselves and in the process they are going to pay a very heavy price.

Boy this is going to get very interesting very fast, with the Khan, the RAW, The Talibs, NWFP mad-hatters, Iran, just to name a few all in the mix. Did I miss anyone ?