The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby sum » 08 Jun 2011 09:06

^^ And it is this "enlightened" member who has brought the bill to have political oversight on our intel agencies. With 3rd rate $#%^ like these, future of this country looks pretty bleak ( despite Somnath-ji's and few other person's heart felt defence of every deed of INC).

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Virupaksha » 08 Jun 2011 09:06

negi wrote:unlike a surprise package who gets elected from some nook/corner of Assam. :rotfl:

correction sir, who couldnt even get elected from Assam.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Venkarl » 08 Jun 2011 09:22



from above article

But one thing is certain: a group, having found a voice, is unlikely to remain silent.


This is exactly what my post in the previous page has meant. Indian middle class(L+U) needs some personality at national level to push their agenda. Anna Hazare and BRD are such personalities. Mullahs and Johns are also welcome. Instead of making statements like "the last thing I want is India being ruled by babajis" and blah....make sure you reap benefits for you and your country being behind them. Maano ya na maano This is the mentality of Indian middle class.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Prem » 08 Jun 2011 09:24

BRD and AH struggle was sung long ago! Its a fight between Congasurs and Devputras.
Baba must sacrifice himself to bring upon the change ,revolution he wants for the country. Blood have not boiled to the point of making chatni of kongressi kanjars looting and serving enemies of Desh.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Venkarl » 08 Jun 2011 09:31

congasurs :lol: :lol: ....took a moment to understand what you wrote

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby munna » 08 Jun 2011 09:35

Over the past 2 years I have come to believe that while Bhumiputras have fought Macaulayputras to a stalemate in all but India to to the East of Kanpur Chennai meridian. The key block in matrix is UP since Bihar is already a no go for Cong or it's allies like Lalu. With return of Uma and Ramdev gaining ground certain new fronts are being activated. Till now Hindu/Revanchist/Communal groups boasted only non Yadav backward caste mascots in its fold such as Lodhs, Kurmis and Malis. If the June Gambit of these unwashed fools pays off then for the first time communalists will be gunning for a rainbow OBC alliance of Yadav + OBC/MBC voters.

UP is the key and BJP will have to rein in their drawing room politcos especially the one responsible for destroying BJP s mass leaders in early 2000s.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 09:41

Image
Sonam Kapoor's father Anil Kapoor with Dawood ibrahim

Dawood ibrahim who conducted many serial bombings in mumbai and helped in the logistics of 26/11 terrorist attacks

Same dawood ibrahim is represented by congress minister Kapil Sibal as lawyer and who was deployed to attack ramdev

Anil kapoor family is confirmed congress party slave

Corruption is in sonam's blood, maybe she should try a blood transfusion and eat food earned from clean uncorrupt money and then give her baa baa black sheep lectures

Sonam calls Baba Ramdev 'a sexist homophobe'

Baba Ramdev may have gained a few thousand more followers with his crusade against corruption but he's got some critics too. Sonam Kapoor, who has become the face of India International Jewellery Week, slammed Baba Ramdev on twitter recently.

She tweeted: 'I prefer Baa Baa Black Sheep over Baba Ramdev.'

And when a fan tweeted back to Sonam saying it's so rude, Sonam retorted: 'As rude as you should be to a sexist homophob!'
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Prem » 08 Jun 2011 09:50

Munnaji
Please check the WSJ link posted by Indra's Vahan. The Middle class mainly constitutes of Bhumiputras and they are not gonna take Nandi's prasad lying down. They are rightfully indignnant of PSers holed up in cities speaking Inglish with fineese. BRD have become instrumental to achieve their asprations. This is a good opertunity for IMs as well to kick Congressi Conemen to caves and show that they want to be partner in cleaning india of corruption and take their rightful place in society by bonding with Sons of soil . This oppertunity is rare and must be exploited for good of Desh and its people.
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby somnath » 08 Jun 2011 09:52

sum wrote:^^ And it is this "enlightened" member who has brought the bill to have political oversight on our intel agencies. With 3rd rate $#%^ like these, future of this country looks pretty bleak ( despite Somnath-ji's and few other person's heart felt defence of every deed of INC).

Is there a bill to that effect? If yes, then it would be the first sensible thing ever done by Manish Tiwari in his life...

BTW, there is no defence of INC's conduct - they have been pathetic overall in the last year or so..No questions..

Question was of BR's intent and purpose..Meanwhile, seems his fast is fast fizzling out...
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ramde ... ck/800877/

BR has done more for mass popularising yoga than anyone else - deserves a Padma just for that...But dont find any such altruistic "public good" motive in the current "exercise"...If anything, the entire shenanigan has given so many different excuses to the govt to divert attention from the tough questions on the ongoing investigations on 2G(Dayanidhi Maran, Sivasankaran et al)...Without anyone getting any wiser on how the "black money" puzzle is to be tackled..

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby munna » 08 Jun 2011 10:01

Prem wrote:Munnaji
Please check the WSJ link posted by Indra's Vahan. The Middle class mainly constitutes of Dhumiputras and they are not gonna take Nandi's prasad lying down. They are rightfully indignnant of PSers holed up in cities speaking Inglish with fineese. BRD have become instrumental to achieve their asprations. This is a good opertunity for IMs as well to kick Congressi Conemen to caves and show that they want to be partner in cleaning india of corruption and take their rightful place in society by bonding with Sons of soil . This oppertunity is rare and must be exploited for good of Desh and its people.


Premji there is a punjabi saying that you may be well aware of "rabb nede ki ghusunn?" (is god closer to you or the fist?). The 1 Lakh odd women, children and elderly are the best brand ambassadors for benevolent and progressive regime in place today. All the high faultin talk of Gandhi or Nehru will fall flat in nukkad debates when victims of midnight torture shall speak out. The lathi marks on te bodies of kids and women shall serve as a reminder to common public about never again forgetting the atrocity.

A mass torturer government! Sadly we are less free than even China today.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Prem » 08 Jun 2011 10:03

IMHO, Black money is one part . BRD's greatest contribution is putting check on Deracination process . Congrasurs cant survive without support from Outsiders. MG was right when he recomnended dismantling Congress but unfortunately clever Nehru outmanovered him.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Rudradev » 08 Jun 2011 10:05

Yes, just like the tiranga yatra in January, the "shenanigans" of Baba Ramdev have only given the govt an excuse to divert attention from "tough questions" by its lapdog media on corruption issues and the 2G scam.

Because evidently, the great unwashed Indian public is incapable of recognizing the criminal behaviour of the Maino regime on more than one issue simultaneously. Trust our Elite Iskool geniuses to dismiss the Indian electorate as being unable to walk and chew paan at the same time. After all, who else has their finger so firmly on the pulse of the "Vox Pop"? :lol:
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Prem » 08 Jun 2011 10:12

rabb nede ki ghusunn :mrgreen:
Ghussun will make the rabb immanent in instant .
RD , these Indian Vultures fly highpretending to be Eagles but their eyes are always fixed on dead road kill to feast upon. Indian lives in villages and it is these villlagers who have been saving these Eeel's Beeks from time immemorials yet they still dont learn to appreciate.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby geeth » 08 Jun 2011 10:19

My question in this whole confusion is, why can't Advani start a fast unto death? I suppose it will have a much better response from the public and Govt than than the fasting by all these sidekicks of Kangress and commies..

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby abhishek_sharma » 08 Jun 2011 10:23

sum wrote:
Tewari, who spoke to reporters in detail, said the BJP offensive was meant to divert attention from Samjhauta blasts in which new evidence of saffron terror was tumbling out.



On Sunday, parliamentary affairs minister Pavan Bansal had claimed that the midnight raid on Ramdev's camp was meant to preempt a threat of communal flare-up because of the presence of Rithambara at the protest venue abutting the Walled City.

Sigh, we truly are a banana republic.


These guys really think we are retarded.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby sum » 08 Jun 2011 10:23

Is there a bill to that effect? If yes, then it would be the first sensible thing ever done by Manish Tiwari in his life...


Somnath-ji:
For the first time, Parliament will now get a chance to debate the efficacy, constitutional validity and oversight mechanisms of India’s intelligence community. For years, intelligence bureaus have worked in the shadows, accountable to few and with budgets that kept increasing without any auditing.

Congress MP Manish Tiwari took up the issue and worked on a private members’ bill—the Intelligence Services (powers and regulation) bill 2010. While it is an admitted fact that private members’ bills have never been passed by Parliament, Tiwari’s plan is to drag the issue to the highest legislative body for an informed discussion. In fact, he has argued that India’s intelligence agencies—the IB, RAW, NTRO—have no constitutional validity. He has repeatedly pointed out that the Constitution, in its seventh schedule, mandates that a central intelligence bureau be created by an act of Parliament.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby sum » 08 Jun 2011 10:30

Comment in rediff. Given the kind of retarted comments we are seeing from INC, wont be surprised if some of the points come true :| :
Congress Strategy is simple. Unleash their Dirty Tricks Department and its leader Diggy Raja, the dirtiest politician India has ever produced.
1. Diggy Raja will go to Moradabad and Azamgarh, put on a skull cap, pay obeisance to `Osamaji' and declare that Ramdev is a thug.
2. Since Diggy Raja is colour blind, he can only see `saffron' in spite of the flowing green in front of him in the crowd. He will declare that the saffron brigade is out to destabilse the country and it is the duty of all the other colours to rescuse the corrupt Congress and save India.
3. Next he will take Rahul Baba to an ash mound. Rahul Baba will declare that the ash mound contains dead persons, killed by Ramdev and whose bones were used by him in his ayurvedic medicines.
4. Diggy Raja will next introduce the head of the IT Department. The IT Department Head will declare in no uncertain terms that all Congressmen are clean, honest and have no blackmoney either in their names or in the names of their family members or in benami names, including in the names of their keeps. The IT man will declare Ramdev is the only person in India with income beyond his means and all black money, earned from selling black ayurvedic medicines and doing illegal yoga.
5. Next the head of Enforcement Directorate will declare that all donations received by Ramdev are illegal and received out of blackmoney stashed away in Swiss and Mauritius.
6. Ramdev will be arrested and put in jail for ever.
Jai Hind!

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby sugriva » 08 Jun 2011 10:32

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... amdev-show

Not sure if this was posted before.

It is interesting to note that the middleclass hysteria that followed Hazare’s fast did not affect states like Kerala and Bengal much. The degree of involvement with the apparent revolt was significantly less. That is because the educated population in those states is very much a part of the mainstream political process. They vote, they attend political rallies. So they had no need for Hazare’s fast. They know that in a democracy, the most intelligent and meaningful mass movement remains elections, no matter what Chetan Bhagat and Kabir Bedi may have to say. But outside those states, in the metros, the middleclass behaved like amateur citizens – they got excited by the idea that they can circumvent the political process to reform the nation. As the self-destruction of the nascent anti-corruption movement shows, it was a naïve notion.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Venkarl » 08 Jun 2011 10:32

somnath wrote:If anything, the entire shenanigan has given so many different excuses to the govt to divert attention from the tough questions on the ongoing investigations on 2G(Dayanidhi Maran, Sivasankaran et al)...Without anyone getting any wiser on how the "black money" puzzle is to be tackled..


leave that to SC and Subramaniyam Swami.....even if media forgets and the entire shenanigan forgets about it....SC and SS will go after them..

when you are fighting a hungry wild animal in a forest......you either injure him to death or you run away from it(no guarantee that you'll be alive)....which one would you opt?.....sit and think? what should be my intent now? what'll WWF say to me? hain?....seriously.:roll: ..sometime its good to think from heart..

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby somnath » 08 Jun 2011 10:36

sum wrote:Somnath-ji:
For the first time, Parliament will now get a chance to debate the efficacy, constitutional validity and oversight mechanisms of India’s intelligence community. For years, intelligence bureaus have worked in the shadows, accountable to few and with budgets that kept increasing without any auditing.

Congress MP Manish Tiwari took up the issue and worked on a private members’ bill—the Intelligence Services (powers and regulation) bill 2010. While it is an admitted fact that private members’ bills have never been passed by Parliament, Tiwari’s plan is to drag the issue to the highest legislative body for an informed discussion. In fact, he has argued that India’s intelligence agencies—the IB, RAW, NTRO—have no constitutional validity. He has repeatedly pointed out that the Constitution, in its seventh schedule, mandates that a central intelligence bureau be created by an act of Parliament.

Sum-ji, its a laudable initiative then - give the devil its due...Not sure about IB (I think there is a law that covers it), but RAW is not backed by any legislation - there is apparently a draft lying in cold storage for decades (B Raman mentioned it once)...OT for this thread, but its something long overdue..

Not sure about the assertion that a private member' bill has never been passed..Wasnt the Constitutional Amendment in response to Shah Bano judgement a pvt member's bill?

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Arjun » 08 Jun 2011 10:40

Not sure why this column appears in a Sri Lankan newspaper, but B Raman is calling for mid-term polls. The increasing stink coming from the dynasty seems to be getting unbearable for a large section of Indians...

Sorry state of the Nation

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 10:45

sugriva wrote:http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/now-the-baba-ramdev-show
Manu Joseph
Not sure if this was posted before.

It is interesting to note that the middleclass hysteria that followed Hazare’s fast did not affect states like Kerala and Bengal much. The degree of involvement with the apparent revolt was significantly less. That is because the educated population in those states is very much a part of the mainstream political process. They vote, they attend political rallies. So they had no need for Hazare’s fast. They know that in a democracy, the most intelligent and meaningful mass movement remains elections, no matter what Chetan Bhagat and Kabir Bedi may have to say. But outside those states, in the metros, the middleclass behaved like amateur citizens – they got excited by the idea that they can circumvent the political process to reform the nation. As the self-destruction of the nascent anti-corruption movement shows, it was a naïve notion.

:mrgreen: :rotfl:

Kerala - Thiruvananthapuram

Parameswaran flays Ramdev's arrest

Special Correspondent

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Bharateeya Vichara Kendram director P. Parameswaran has strongly criticised the police action against Baba Ramdev and warned the government against “sowing the wind only to reap a storm.”

In a statement here on Monday, Mr. Parameswaran questioned the Delhi Police's arrest of Baba Ramdev for having articulated his political views while commenting on the government's response to his proposed fast against corruption. While it was true that Baba Ramdev had expressed his personal views while briefing his supporters about his discussions with the Ministers, it could not be denied that he had done so publicly. Till the police intervened, the situation at the Ramlila Maidan was totally peaceful, he pointed out.

Mr. Parameswaran wanted to know how the government could fault Baba Ramdev for airing his views. Yogis and sanyasins were very much a part of society and were active participants in social processes. There was no Constitutional bar on their expressing their views on issues. Swami Vivekananda and Aurobindo had openly aired their political views.

http://www.hindu.com/2011/06/07/stories ... 460900.htm

Manu tries to drive a wedge but FAILS, divide and rule policy wont work anymore but it exposes congress chamchas in the media, Laage raho manu bhai apni ghulami ke liye parsiddh ho, padmashri ya padmabhushan is bhar congress toh tumehi dheegi

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

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:lol:

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby UBanerjee » 08 Jun 2011 11:00

Cong really has no shame on the communal button. But I think this complete and filthy lack of shame may have led them to push the button a few (thousand) too many times.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Arjun » 08 Jun 2011 11:14

Raghavendra wrote:Swami Vivekananda and Aurobindo had openly aired their political views.

Swami Vivekananda would have been arrested or dismissed as a rabid communalist by this INC government !! And the current sons of Bengal would be the first ones to line up to act as executioners of this communalist. (apologies to Rahul M, UBannerjee, Brihaspati (?) and others who still carry the legacy of Vivekananda).

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Pratyush » 08 Jun 2011 11:31

We truly are living in 1984.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Sachin » 08 Jun 2011 11:47

They know that in a democracy, the most intelligent and meaningful mass movement remains elections, no matter what Chetan Bhagat and Kabir Bedi may have to say

I think there is some truth in the above. Rather than inventing new regulatory bodies, or bringing in hastly drafted laws the basics should be set right. I feel every Indian citizen should have a political opinion, and show that opinion in the elections by voting (and NOT by causing public property destruction like the commies in Kerala do).

I was just seeing a rally at an IT-Vity location in support of Anna Hazare. The group were all the young folks from IT-Vity companies, and was having a protest march with placards et.al. I did like their positive spirit, but for me it looked like these folks expected Anna Hazare to come up with a magic bullet which cured all the problems in India. And I really doubted if any of them in that crowd actually even have a voters ID, or goto vote. For me, they represented a crowd who expected others to do the dirty job, of cleaning up India's problem.

Raghavendra wrote:Parameswaran flays Ramdev's arrest

:rotfl:. I dont think folks in Kerala really takes Bharatiya Vichara Kendram or its boss Parameshwaran seriously. Yes, the media may report it. But it is just like they do reports on some club doing some charity work, or reporting minor scuffles.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby vera_k » 08 Jun 2011 12:01

Exactly right. Lokpal will only be useful until that body gets corrupted itself. Decentralising power and implementing electoral reforms so people have a greater say in matters will be a more robust solution.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 12:13

Sachin wrote:
They know that in a democracy, the most intelligent and meaningful mass movement remains elections, no matter what Chetan Bhagat and Kabir Bedi may have to say

I think there is some truth in the above. Rather than inventing new regulatory bodies, or bringing in hastly drafted laws the basics should be set right. I feel every Indian citizen should have a political opinion, and show that opinion in the elections by voting (and NOT by causing public property destruction like the commies in Kerala do).


man when elections can be rigged using EVM's what's the use of voting? and why should public wait for 5 years to stop the nation's wealth from being looted. 2G, CWG scams have shown the mass loot of nation's wealth, we cant wait for the next elections to stop this and bring back the money in swiss banks.

Sachin wrote:And I really doubted if any of them in that crowd actually even have a voters ID, or goto vote.


wow, can you also remote view and can read people's mind? how can you credibly say they dont have voters ID and BTW you dont even need voter ID's to vote, PAN card/ration card and many other ID's are allowed as ID proof.


Sachin wrote:For me, they represented a crowd who expected others to do the dirty job, of cleaning up India's problem.

If that was the case they would be cynically writing posts condemning those taking part in protests just like you :mrgreen:

If you cant join the anti-corruption protests, why do you condemn those taking part in it. Atleast you should have stopped your car, given them few bisleri bottles and made arrangements for chai pani for them to show your support.


Sachin wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:Parameswaran flays Ramdev's arrest

:rotfl:. I dont think folks in Kerala really takes Bharatiya Vichara Kendram or its boss Parameshwaran seriously. Yes, the media may report it. But it is just like they do reports on some club doing some charity work, or reporting minor scuffles.


Why would commie media [The Hindu] known for censoring such articles publish it? Maybe the importance of the issue was so great they couldnt do it usual way of ignoring it, that shows the relevance ramdev fight against corruption has, even commies cant ignore him now, just see the number of articles making personal attacks on ramdev, the latest is by marxist historian ramachandra guha, commies are afraid of ramdev :mrgreen:
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby somnath » 08 Jun 2011 12:14

Sachin wrote:I was just seeing a rally at an IT-Vity location in support of Anna Hazare

Actually, the AH initiative on Lokpal was a much better example of "civil society" engagement and interaction...It had a specific agenda, the sponsors knew what they wanted out of it, opened their ideas (the Jan Lokpal Bill) for open public scrutiny, made their intentions clear from the begining, and negotiated with the govt openly (to the extent of even asking for that Drafting Committee meetings to be televised)...

It struck a real chord, with lots of people in various places looking to express solidarity..I know of support initiatives taking place in DU, in at least 2/3 of the IIXs...We had meetings organised by the IIX societies as far away as here in Singapore...

Finally, they achieved something tangible and concrete..It has finally forced the govt to finalise a draft, and hopefully it will be presented in Parliament...They (and many others) may not like it in its entirity, but a movement forward....

The BR Show on the other hand is nothing but a political show - covert and overt...From inception (subterfuge in its intentions - permission was sought for a "yoga shivir"), to pre-show (ministers genuflecting before BR, back-channel diplpomacy in 5 star hotels), to commentary (inconsistent throughout - "PM should not be under Lokpal", then "No sorry, I didnt say that"; "Govt has agreed to 99% of our demands", then "no sorry ddint say that either") to execution (that letter flashed by Kapil Sibal, written by BR's aide, then denied) to denouement (the police brutality to break up the show)....

Add to it the drama of the overt politicians - INC spokeman assaulted with shoes (edited later) by an alleged RSS activist, the chap in turn beaten up by Digvijay Singh (he suddenly rediscovered his feudal thakur roots or what?!)...Sushma Swaraj dancing to Bollywood music in Rajghat (who knew Sushmaji had such talents, Indian politicos otherwise seem so unidimensional!)....Kamal Nath accompanying the good Baba in his crusade against corruption (seriously, Kamal "he will take his 15%" Nath, against corruption!)....And finally, BR trying to escape clad in a salwar kameez, as Subir Roy says in his wonderful piece today, "If pictures of the Baba exist in that attire they can be passed on to the differently oriented community who may then forgive him for saying that his asanas could cure homosexuality"!

Its entertaining, the news channels must be thanking the good Baba for this, but in the end, we are nowhere close to achieving anything, or indeed any wiser on what was being intended to be achieved...
Barring of course, attempts to invoke Swami Vivekananda in the disourse, which is, errrrr....
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 12:31

somnath wrote:Actually, the AH initiative on Lokpal was a much better example of "civil society" engagement and interaction...


Anna hazare was better for congress party becoz they easily fooled him by first seemingly accepting his proposals and then during the drafting committee meetings one by one rejecting them

Ramdev is clever, cant be fooled by neech nalayak mantris digivijaya and dawood ibrahim's lawyer kapil sibal. He can see thru their neechness and therefore was assaulted and a character assassination program launched with Indian express, Hindustan Times and Marxist historians all making personal attacks on ramdev without addressing the corruption issue. People will give jawab to these congress ke chamchas who sold themselves and have started an vicious campaign against ramdev.

somnath wrote:And finally, BR trying to escape clad in a salwar kameez, as Subir Roy says in his wonderful piece today, "If pictures of the Baba exist in that attire they can be passed on to the differently oriented community who may then forgive him for saying that his asanas could cure homosexuality"!

Why do you need to quote congress chamcha Subir Roy here, Is he some god for you that his words must be true, If police landed up at subir's house may be he will run naked to escape, maybe you too will, who knows what congress slaves will do when public will be outside their houses with stones in hand to stop this loot of nation's wealth.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Arjun » 08 Jun 2011 12:33

vera_k wrote:Exactly right. Lokpal will only be useful until that body gets corrupted itself. Decentralising power and implementing electoral reforms so people have a greater say in matters will be a more robust solution.

Hi Vera, I am crossposting your comment on Liberalism thread. It would be useful to develop a view on appropriate governance mechanisms that liberals can support. Would appreciate if you could expand on your thoughts out there.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Sachin » 08 Jun 2011 12:43

Raghavendra wrote:man when elections can be rigged using EVM's what's the use of voting? and why should public wait for 5 years to stop the nation's wealth from being looted.

Then why have silent protest marches? The people can just get some crude weapons and start rioting. EVMs being rigged is still an open debate. Or has it been conclusively proven that "EVMs were rigged"?

wow, can you also remote view and can read people's mind?

Can you show me some statistics which says the voting percentage of IT-Vity crowd in Bengaluru? I am talking about folks who have come from other states, and now pretty much settled down in Bengaluru. To reiterate my point. Anna Hazare was supported by youngsters including IT-Vity folks. Good. There are umpteen issues in Bengaluru itself. Can we expect the same enthusiasm shown here? But for fixing issues at Bengaluru, it may involve visiting politicians, various government offices and putting pressure on them.

Atleast you should have stopped your car, given them few bisleri bottles and made arrangements for chai pani for them to show your support.

Nah..honestly, if I would be doing that I would have done it for the folks who muster up at a polling booth and vote. The crowd at IT-Vity hubs certainly have a much better pay packet to afford Bisleris and Chai Paani.

Why would commie media [The Hindu] known for censoring such articles publish it?

Why discuss English news papers like "The Hindu"? :). Even local Malayalam dailies would not give much undue importance to Shri. Parameshwaran's opinion. As I said earlier it would get reported in the same level of reporting charity work done by clubs, or some minor local news.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 12:52

Sachin wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:man when elections can be rigged using EVM's what's the use of voting? and why should public wait for 5 years to stop the nation's wealth from being looted.

Then why have silent protest marches? The people can just get some crude weapons and start rioting.


You are advocating violence, where are the adminullah's when you need them, ban sachin NOW :mrgreen:


Sachin wrote:EVMs being rigged is still an open debate. Or has it been conclusively proven that "EVMs were rigged"?


Yes proven conclusively, check EVM thread on BR or this site http://www.indianevm.com/index.php

That guy had to suffer the wrath of congress and police for exposing it, the same way ramdev was attacked by police in delhi.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Narad » 08 Jun 2011 12:59

Ramdev's health deteriorates; doctors advise him to break fast

HARIDWAR: Yoga guru Baba Ramdev's health has started deteriorating as his fast for tougher anti-graft laws and bringing back black money from foreign nations, entered fifth day here on Wednesday.

Doctors attending to the yoga guru have advised liquid intake and requested him to end his fast soon.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Sachin » 08 Jun 2011 13:03

Raghavendra wrote:Yes proven conclusively, check EVM thread on BR or this site http://www.indianevm.com/index.php

This shows that EVMs are riggable and not fool proof. Can you give me some more links which says that rigged EVMs were placed in some constituencies and it was found out. Any ways.. I guess we are going off topic.

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby AjayKK » 08 Jun 2011 13:09

somnath wrote: INC spokeman assaulted with shows by an alleged RSS activist


:rotfl:
Pray, INC's speakers have many a spoke with them? Ah, that explains why they speaks in circles. Now a spoke is something which connects hub and rim of a wheel. Does this have a deeper mean which non-elite-iskool posters cannot comprehend, that the Janpath is the "hub", the media the "rim" and the INC's speakers are the "spoke" all in all a good circus which keeps rolling around?

"Assaulted with shows" eh ? The dictionary though claims a different meaning to the word "assault". None the less, the comprehension skills of many such dictionaries are suspect. And pray what did Sunil Kumar show the "spokeman" that we didn't see? That must be a grotesque way of protest indeed, to be "assaulted with shows". Did he also allegedly shout "Dekho dekho, isko dekho" ?

That also brings us to the "alleged" word. Isn't it wonderful, this allegedly alleged alliteration which describes many an allegorical accusation? One can always allege something and add a question tag to cast a sense of accusation. Something like "XYZ is alleged to be a person of dubious iskool, isn't ist?" and then through "spokes" and "rims", the alleged allegation has passed through to become an urban legend.

For someone who allegedly claims to have hung out his /himself at an elite iskool, this low-blow of il-logical rant is truly co-secularists' envy, readers' headache and somebody's nightmare....

Anna Hazare in anti-graft fast

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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Philip » 08 Jun 2011 13:11

Bri,Rags,et al.Yes.The Mahatma must be in a perpetual spin with a multitude of politickers from Left to Right all invoking/speaking in his name.Educated Indians aren't falling for these dramas as one report says,where in Kerala,etc.,where people are politically concious and vote during elections.However,I am still mystified why the descendents of the Mahatma do not speak out against the shallow use of his legacy.

I am a firm believer in parliamentary democracy and the use of parliament alone to bring about change.We have a Constitution to govern us.What the outside pressure groups should realise is that they cannot subvert the Constitution by demands made with the threat of "death fasts" and other extra-constitutional methods,which will lead to anarchy.Sadly,the current dispensation is so venal and spineless and will sell its own soul for political ends.One fast and Telengana was granted! The govt. in the Baba case swung from grovelling to the lathi! It is upto the Opposition to press the govt. of the day relentlessly in the House giving it no sleepless nights,while the pressure groups outside drum up moral support for system changes and support the opposition's demands in aprliament-if they agree,instead of tying to hog the limelight and become external power centres themselves.This should be their aim that constitutional methods are used for the govt. to change tack.If the govt. of the day refuses to see the writing on the wall,heed the mood of the Indian people and take corrective measures,the Indian electorate will give it a sound thrashing as it has just done to Karuna and family in TN .If IG could be thrown out in '77 after the Emergency,have no doubt that MMS,Sonia and co. will receive the same fate if they do not repent.Raja,Kani and Kalmadi are now "inside",the mills of Indian justice might be excruciatingly slow but it often grinds exceedingly well!

I also have a big Q about the so-called charity empires of gurus and godmen,who run empires worth thousands of crores ,happily enjoying taxfree status,while other institutions and honest Indians have to shell out to the IT dept. year after year their hard earned money.Gurus and godmen get the green channel from our political masters ever-ready to cash in on a popular figurehead for their own interests.I confess to being a sceptic from personal experience.Surrounding these gurus and godmen are often a gang of parasites who live of the fat of the land-basking in the sunshine of the guru.Administering these vast empires is impossible for the figurehead.I have personally had bad experiences with the empires of two nationally-famous "religious" figures who each in turn swindled my co. of lakhs,when a lakh was a lot. One "figurehead" even saw me on a flight and pretended not to recognise me.I was livid and immediately took course to legal action and recovered part of my dues,successfully (they don't like bad media publicity!).I cannot name them here for obvious reasons,but if and when I meet BRakshaks will tell them in person if asked.

PS:The sound and fury taking place should NOT let us lose sight of the goal,that of bringing the Lok Pal bill into law with NO individual spared from its purview! The public's attention has through the tamasha is now focussed on tangential matters.We must stay focussed.
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Re: Anna Hazare and Lokpal Bill

Postby Raghavendra » 08 Jun 2011 13:17

Sachin wrote:
Raghavendra wrote:Yes proven conclusively, check EVM thread on BR or this site http://www.indianevm.com/index.php

This shows that EVMs are riggable and not fool proof. Can you give me some more links which says that rigged EVMs were placed in some constituencies and it was found out. Any ways.. I guess we are going off topic.


Recall how home minister chidambaram won, first lost his election and during recounting mysteriously was declared winner. this is the magic of EVM's, you can never lose if you own the EVM's, and for further proof please contact chidambaram, dossier bhaar bhaar ke proof milega :mrgreen:


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