Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Jun 2011 18:21

That air dropped bomb that the PAF had dropped on villages in NWFP/KP and about which the pashtoons were complaining about, was probably made at the AWC, Wah (Air Weapons Complex). This site also produces N weapons related stuff.

The Talibs have attacked this place in the past.

The talibs also have suicide bombed a bus carrying workers and official going into the main ordinance factory at wah, and they dispatched 70 people to their 72 on that occasion.

So The town of Wah, a military industrial complex has seen a lot of wah-wahi in the last few years.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Jun 2011 18:24

So the Pakistanis are complaining about Chemical Weapons being used against them by the United States. Or atleast that is the impression the Iranians are giving out.

Now wouldn't this make it easier for the pakistanis to justify a wmd attack on the US homeland?

Iran is queering the pitch, wonder why they feel the need to do so? Are the ISI wallhas and the Eyeranians acting in consort here?

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 08 Jun 2011 18:35

Drone Strikes Kill 20 in Pakistan, Reports Say

At least 20 suspected militants were killed in Pakistan’s northwestern tribal region Wednesday in what were described as a pair of American drone strikes, local news media reported.

The strikes hit a fortresslike compound suspected of housing militants in the Shawal area of North Waziristan, a forested mountainous valley considered to be a stronghold of militants of various stripes. A second strike from the drone also hit a vehicle, according to reports in local news media.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 08 Jun 2011 20:08

Oxfam investigating embezzlement of donations to Pakistan flood disaster

A preliminary investigation has cleared its own employees of wrongdoing and the inquiry was focusing on Pakistani charities which worked alongside Oxfam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aster.html

Oxfam investigates 'irregularities' in Pakistan flood programme

The problem was discovered in the southern province of Sindh and an independent external audit by PricewaterhouseCoopers is under way and expected to last three to four weeks.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ramme.html

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 08 Jun 2011 20:10

Gagan wrote:Iran is queering the pitch, wonder why they feel the need to do so? Are the ISI wallhas and the Eyeranians acting in consort here?

Here's a whine from the Beeb:

Iranian arms help to Taliban hurting British troops

Kamboja · Post by **Kamboja** » 08 Jun 2011 20:35

http://pakteahouse.net/2011/06/06/pakis ... radiction/

From the chai ghar. A reminder to me that there are still a few in that benighted land who can see the inherent problem of Pakistan -- it is these few islands of (relative) enlightenment who will need to lead the masses back into civilization once the present edifice is brought down.

Excerpts--

To further strengthen its sense of antithesis to India, the army in Pakistan was a willing convert to the idea of Islam as a countervailing argument to India and it adopted Islam as a sign of its own militarized resistance to India and it openly, actively and whole heartedly supported the policies of turning Pakistan into a fortress of Islam...

Therefore, it then becomes another principle contradiction of the Pakistani state. The armed forces of Pakistan have established their identity in Islam and if this identity is removed, then the truth emerges that Pakistani armed forces, principally its army, has more in common with its arch-enemy India than it does with any Arab country’s military. Pakistani military cannot afford this realization to become a fact, because it would ruin its own sense of legitimacy, which it has adroitly created, and from which it justifies its place of importance in Pakistani politics, by being the very embodiment of a Pakistani national opposition to India. This idea would devalue the role, importance and functionality of the Pakistani armed forces and its dominance of the national politics, which it has traditionally used to fashion policies that are antagonistic towards India and are designed to maintain a permanent state of war with India in order to guarantee its own dominant existence in the discourse of Pakistani politics.

Thus, Pakistan is a classical principle contradiction, because it exists as an idea itself that is in conflict with itself and if this conflict were to end, Pakistan as a state and its institutions, would find themselves without any reason or rhyme to justify its own existence. For a country that was created in conflict, bred on the idea of conflict and sustained on the logic of conflict, it has to exist in a state of conflict because without a state of conflict within it and in seeking one with its neighbors, Pakistan cannot exist.

Worth a read, although nothing we don't already know.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 08 Jun 2011 22:18

Oh there are plenty of tubelights coming on in Pakistan today.

The thing is that these very guys were clinking their glasses and having a ball of a time when their Jihadis were killing indians in cold blood, when BB was screeching at the top of her voice for a thousand year Jihad, and making chopping motions with her arms, and when every bigoted politician, mullah and armyman was talking big about their martial prowess.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 08 Jun 2011 22:25

^ and then suddenly the holy cows starting coming home.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 08 Jun 2011 22:28

Prem wrote:For Piskologist Docullah!
http://pakistaniat.com/2011/06/05/pakis ... emography/
Paki Demongraphics

At 2.1 percent, Pakistan has the dubious honour of having South Asia’s highest population growth rate.
On average, two people died and eight were born every minute in Pakistan in 2010, meaning the country’s population increased by six people every minute of the year, on average.
This translates into a growth in the Pakistani population of half a million people in the last year. This would be added to the estimated population of 177.1 million as of July 1st 2010.

By my calc., assuming 10 births/min=5.2 million pakis/year (assuming no influence from madarassa math), as opposed to 0.5 million that is reported.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 08 Jun 2011 23:17

Pakistan reaping the whirlwind

The latest attack on the navy base in Karachi has raised several questions. Some call it an inside job, i.e. there is likelihood of some members of the navy outfit being al-Qaeda sympathisers if not members. Reportedly, they infiltrated through the sewerage system and their actions bore the hallmarks of well trained persons quite familiar with the area. The manner of their approach to the targets and then disengaging, as reported in the media, suggest that it was a very well planned and well rehearsed attack. And that begs the question. Can the Pakistan government, having become embroiled in the war on terror, along with its so-called redeemer the US, which is planning to make a clean break from Afghanistan under a false euphoria of having won the war against the Taliban, stand on its own against the Frankenstein that they both helped to create? It had sown the wind and it is reaping the whirlwind, unfortunately.

Clearly Pakistan's work is cut out. Its strategy to end terrorism has to be fully defined. It cannot have both ways, go after some terrorists while harbouring some others. It must act fast to shed the unofficial tag of state sponsor of terrorism. It can shout their displeasure at the Americans for creating the problem for Pakistan till the cows come home. The seed of the current problem was laid during the time of the Anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and by all the indications Pakistan is about to be dropped like hot potato as they were after the defeat of the Soviets till 9/11 and the US war in Afghanistan rescued them from the backwaters of US interest, to a frontline state. Since the start of the so called GWOT Pakistan has suffered heavily in terms of loss of lives fighting against the very forces that it harboured, and even used as proxy against its neighbour.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Jun 2011 23:21

Poakanimals breeding rate is close to 2.7 and not 2.1 as quoted in the article. Pakistan should not collapse soon. The world must learn from the example of this Gawd foreskinned land with half a billion -72 IQed Poaks running around scavanging for survival. Wagha must be made as far as Ougadougou for them and Gelf, Arab land as close as Wagha. Poaks are the righful inheritor of Arab Sand after oil.
IMHO, Revenge is best when served Poa"k"ld.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jun 2011 23:36

The seed of the current problem was laid during the time of the Anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and by all the indications Pakistan is about to be dropped like hot potato as they were after the defeat of the Soviets till 9/11 and the US war in Afghanistan rescued them from the backwaters of US interest, to a frontline state.

The real seeds were sown right after the nation was founded when irregular army of tribals was sent to invade Kashmir in 1947. It was the lack of consequences for carrying out aggression using non-uniformed personnel that enabled TSP to persist in this policy repeatedly to date.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 08 Jun 2011 23:45

In fact this has become the hallmark of much of the Islamic world and the chickens have come home to roost.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 08 Jun 2011 23:52

Gagan wrote: Iran is queering the pitch, wonder why they feel the need to do so? Are the ISI wallhas and the Eyeranians acting in consort here?

Propaganda war against US. Iran and TSP getting close because TSP brokered peace between KSA.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 09 Jun 2011 00:01

ramana wrote:The real seeds were sown right after the nation was founded when irregular army of tribals was sent to invade Kashmir in 1947.

They had the only real functional road into Kashmir, yet managed to lose. You'd think a lesson would have been learned.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 00:51

5 months back there was news about a boy who fell to earth. The missing boys dad thinks ISI is involved.

Second stowaway still missing

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Jun 2011 00:54

Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy

http://blip.tv/slowtv/pakistan-nation-o ... to-5236151

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 09 Jun 2011 01:03

anandsgh wrote:Don't know whether to share this here or not but here is the link of PBS documentary on Mumbai Massacre. This is different from the one on Channel4.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=9SK8GA81

Not sure who else here saw this but whenever i listened the voice of paki handler talking the paki terrorist i was seething with anger, will we ever get closure? Also the voice of the paki handler on this documentary is different from what shivji has collected for his video. Why doesn't GoI release all the conversations that the paki handlers had with the paki terrorists involved in 26/11? i want to have a recording of all these conversations and listen to them every morning to keep the fire burning in my mind & heart.
Never forgive / Never forget.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2011 01:22

Prem wrote:Poakanimals breeding rate is close to 2.7 and not 2.1 as quoted in the article. Pakistan should not collapse soon. The world must learn from the example of this Gawd foreskinned land with half a billion -72 IQed Poaks running around scavanging for survival. Wagha must be made as far as Ougadougou for them and Gelf, Arab land as close as Wagha. Poaks are the righful inheritor of Arab Sand after oil.
IMHO, Revenge is best when served Poa"k"ld.

Prem ji,

once one takes out the toxic upper layer of ghazis, jihadis, mullahs, waderas, zamindars, etc. and the madrassa networks, one would find that the lower layer is surprisingly receptive to suggestions of a change in ideological identification and possible enrollment in the associated re-education camps.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Jun 2011 01:28

Rajesh ji,
Lets hope so, might be a pick and choose oppertunity when Poak go human in Thoak= wholesale.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2011 01:48

Prem wrote:Rajesh ji,
Lets hope so, might be a pick and choose oppertunity when Poak go human in Thoak= wholesale.

Prem ji,

Even if it doesn't happen that way, I am quite sure that before this decade is over, Poaks would be sending their daughters to India in thoak as catalog brides. thoak ka maal would have a totally new meaning.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 09 Jun 2011 02:02

Prem wrote:Rajesh ji,
Lets hope so, might be a pick and choose oppertunity when Poak go human in Thoak= wholesale.

What is THOAK, couldn't find anything in BRF Dictionary tooo

Shaashtanga · Post by **Shaashtanga** » 09 Jun 2011 02:09

Please have a look at Najam Sethi's 8th June Apas ki baat

Towards the end, while answering a caller he talks about why Paki newclear detergent is no longer a detergent but a liability... and how the Paki bum is a sunni bum and Iran wants to make the shia bum.... the mango abdul who called sethi was inspired by what Pervez Hoodbhoy keeps saying about the Paki newclear detergent & the white elephant army (both of them are unnecessary) and like shivji keeps saying (and Nawaz badmash) also thinks the same i.e. only tijarat (business) with India can save land-of-the-pure..... i pray to god that day never comes and India cuts all ties with this abomiNATION and lets it stew and cook in its own juices..... we can do more chai-biskoot without giving away an inch of our territory or a cent of our money by doing tijarat with the sewer pigs.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 09 Jun 2011 02:09

^^^ THOAK is hindi for wholesale

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Jun 2011 02:27

Rapettes who Live outside Pakiland (its mostly abut whining and complaining). Enjoy the superficilaity that oozes from these rants.

On a recent visit to the United States, one of my former university roommates explained the story of a Pakistani woman and an Indian-Jamaican man’s struggle to find peace in their relationship. Her family wanted nothing to do with the possibility of an Indian, albeit Jamaican, son-in-law. Eventually, this couple decided to wed without the consent of the bride’s family. The couple’s struggle highlights the ongoing frustrations met by Pakistani women across the United States and in their home country.

“You know, when I started the blog, a lot of what I wrote about was so people could see that Pakistan is a great place and women are not treated so poorly,” she began, “but soon I discovered a lot of horrific things that go on in Pakistan and the way women are treated. It isn’t like America is better, but in many ways Pakistan and the people need to understand that a lot of the daily life things here is simply better, especially for women.”

It is okay for a man to go around philandering, but for a woman to fall in love with a non-Muslim, let alone an Indian, that is almost like telling your parents to go to hell.”

“To be critical of Pakistani society, especially for my family, who is more on the traditional mother stays at home type, it would be the end of me,” she revealed. “So, I write about my anger and frustration for the double standards that so often exists in Pakistan.

Pakistani-American professor, Tariq Kamal at LA City College said, “What I find so fascinating is that men often take things personally when ‘their’ women are speaking about things they don’t like. It is part of exactly what the women are talking about, this false honor that doesn’t allow freedom of thought to be pushed forward. Of course, you have crazy people who are out there to slur women at any chance they can get, and it is unfortunate that our cultural traditions seem to allow this.

Khan told me that too often analysts and commentators, “especially the white people in their chairs, see us as empowering women, but the reality is much different.” “What we are doing is simply writing and telling our views on how our societies, both here in America and back home can be different, can be better and how women deserve a voice and say in our future,” she added.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Jun 2011 02:43

MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy

http://blip.tv/slowtv/pakistan-nation-o ... to-5236151

Frightening dissembler. All anti-US but no mention of Army/ISI

Think of the havoc she could wreak (like her dead auntie) if she was PM. Thank God for 10% and Gilani.

Begins with salaam etc and says jokingly "you're supposed to respond by 'maleikum..." Sushma had it right: "Namaskaar"!

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 09 Jun 2011 03:21

Brad Goodman wrote:^^^ THOAK is hindi for wholesale

Yes, but the meaning which makes the pun worthwhile is different -- it leads to canadian vija.

thoak ka maal, indeed!

(depends on whether you say it with a hard "th" or a soft one)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Jun 2011 03:31

Thoakna =Stamping in Poakspeak.
Thoak-naa= Egging on to do the Job
Thoak-Na =Pleading for Exemption from Stamption
( The Poak woman Video with Cop was another example of Thoakniti in Poakpriviti.)

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 09 Jun 2011 03:37

GuruPrabhu wrote:
Brad Goodman wrote:^^^ THOAK is hindi for wholesale
Yes, but the meaning which makes the pun worthwhile is different -- it leads to canadian vija.

thoak ka maal, indeed!

(depends on whether you say it with a hard "th" or a soft one)

got it

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 09 Jun 2011 03:43

MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy

Look at way she stands. That is the body language of a woman in love with herself and her voice. As with other Rapes she will say anything about TSP to earn 'sympathy' for the 'moderate' elite. The truth is it is exactly people like her who created these laws and use them to enrich themselves.

If she wants to know what is wrong with TSP she should look in the mirror.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Jun 2011 04:02

Theo_Fidel wrote:
MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy
Look at way she stands. That is the body language of a woman in love with herself and her voice. As with other Rapes she will say anything about TSP to earn 'sympathy' for the 'moderate' elite. The truth is it is exactly people like her who created these laws and use them to enrich themselves.

If she wants to know what is wrong with TSP she should look in the mirror.

And the mirror is Almodovar

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095675/

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2011 04:06

MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy

http://blip.tv/slowtv/pakistan-nation-o ... to-5236151

So Ms Fatima Bhutto wants to deride other countries in order to show that Pakistan is no worse than any other country in the world. Isn't this the same old way of how Pakistanis try to put some lipstick on their pig of a country?! What better country to pick on in front of an English-speaking public than France - the bête noire of the English?!

Her pot-shots:

West is arming the rebels (in Libya) to the teeth without particularly bothering to ask who in fact the rebels are - Same thing in Pakistan. Pakistan's ISI arms L-e-T and the Afghan Taliban for their strategic interests and don't bother to enquire about the antecedents of these fighters (nee terrorists). So if the West can have a truck with rebels (who could be Al Qaeda) then why not Pakistan?! If the West can give arms to rebels then why can't Pakistan arm the jihadis in Kashmir? The West cannot take the moral high ground, because they are just as much in the mud as Pigistan. Take one finger of impropriety by the West to justify Pakistani terror!
Head of the IMF would turn out to be a rapist! - So if one high and mighty French dude did try to jump a woman, it puts France and Pakistan on the same pedestal, even if rape in Pakistan has become the usual way of sorting out all sorts of differences - within families and between families. Exceptions of sh*t amongst one people excuses the ubiquity of sh*t of Pakistanis.
France - They have just taken bigotry dynastic with Marine Le Pen replacing her father as the head of the French National Front - Marine Le Pen has been with the Front Nationale since 1986, has been a Member of the European Parliament, etc. etc. and stood in an election for Presidency of the party not unopposed but rather was given a good fight by another stalwart of the party, and she won the election by 67.65% of the 17,068 votes cast. But her two birds with one stone go like this. Because there is a racist party in France, it is the same thing as Pakistan, and vocal bigotry by a French party is the same thing as the jihadis mauling other Pakistanis due to sectarianism and killing Indians and others the world over through terrorism. The other bird is of course the dynastic politics and nepotism in Pakistan is normal because in France it is normal too. To hell with the details and truth. Main thing is, it is about the French so the Aussies can have a good laugh.
France - They have passed laws mandating what a woman can and cannot wear, which is very Saudi Arabianisque. - Laws to prohibit clothing of subjugation in France is the same thing as prohibiting clothing of freedom in Saudi Arabia. It is all the same. France is just as oppressive as Islam, say in Saudi Arabia, and since Pakistan is more open than Saudi Arabia, Pakistan is logically a more open society than France!
They have a President, who takes council from Bernard Henri Levy, which in itself should qualify for some merit as a nervous breakdown disorder - Bernard Henri Levy is a Jew who investigated the murder of Daniel Pearl and wrote a book Who Killed Daniel Pearl? which won much praise, but went quite far in unmasking the Pakis in front of a Western audience. Hence the huge Pakistani takleef with him. Bernard Henri Levy is also very critical of Islam and Islamism, making him a juicy target for Pakistanis. Considering that Levy is not well liked in USA for his American critique, and was even made fun of by Jon Stewart on The Daily Show for suggesting that the rape charges against Dominique Strauss-Kahn could all be conspiracy, it is obvious that Pakistanis and Americans have finally found some commonality of strategic interests - in demonizing Bernard Henri Levy. So if in France an Islamophobe can have the ear of the President, why should the world consider it abnormal if the whole of the Pakistani establishment is Jihadized?! It is all equal-equal!

And that is just the first 2 minutes.

There is nothing of Arundhati Suzanne Roy in Fatima Bhutto! She is there to keep the flag of her country, Pakhanistan flying high and Australian suckers are lapping it up!

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Jun 2011 04:19

RajeshA wrote: There is nothing of Arundhati Suzanne Roy in Fatima Bhutto! She is there to keep the flag of Pakhanistan flying high and Australian suckers are lapping it up!

Well, she does take a nebulous anti-Paki-government line with the same sort of "innocent" "we want justice! we want openness!" sort of nonsense that Suzanne roy peddles, and her anti-American tone and appearance of "progressiveness" lends her a Suzanne Roy-type of aura I think. And the oratory style with the dark "jokes" also seems ripped off Roy. Of-course, if she becomes as rabidly anti-establishment-of-any-type as Roy is, she will be wajib-al-cattled quickly enuff, so that puts a constraint too (assuming she still lives in pureland).

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2011 04:37

MurthyB wrote:
RajeshA wrote: There is nothing of Arundhati Suzanne Roy in Fatima Bhutto! She is there to keep the flag of Pakhanistan flying high and Australian suckers are lapping it up!
Well, she does take a nebulous anti-Paki-government line with the same sort of "innocent" "we want justice! we want openness!" sort of nonsense that Suzanne roy peddles, and her anti-American tone and appearance of "progressiveness" lends her a Suzanne Roy-type of aura I think. And the oratory style with the dark "jokes" also seems ripped off Roy. Of-course, if she becomes as rabidly anti-establishment-of-any-type as Roy is, she will be wajib-al-cattled quickly enuff, so that puts a constraint too (assuming she still lives in pureland).

The only anti-government line she takes is when she talks about the Pakistani People's Party after it was taken over by Benazir Bhutto and later by Asif Ali Zardari. She thinks that the husband-wife duo got her father Murtaza Bhutto killed during Benazir's first tenure as PM of Pakistan. She also thinks that the leadership of the PPP should have come to her father, rather than have gone to Benazir Bhutto, and even if it did not at that time, then at least after her death, the other Bhuttos should have got a chance, rather than Zardari hijacking the party of Fatima's grandfather for himself.

Her style may be something like Arundhati Suzanne Roy's but unlike her she is not there to ditch either her country Pakistan or the religion of her forefathers Islam, something ASR is more than willing to do, that being her hallmark!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Jun 2011 04:52

@RajeshA ^^: Her style may be something like Arundhati Suzanne Roy's but unlike her she is not there to ditch either Pakistan or Islam."

+1 and if anything, she is more dangerous and capable of furthering those two to our disadvantage. The Salam maleikum bit gives it away.

Bhuttos were/are always snakes much like the reincarnations of Sauron—specifically Annatar

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jun 2011 05:05

Cosmo_R wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Her style may be something like Arundhati Suzanne Roy's but unlike her she is not there to ditch either Pakistan or Islam."
+1 and if anything, she is more dangerous and capable of furthering those two to our disadvantage. The Salam maleikum bit gives it away.

Bhuttos were/are always snakes much like the reincarnations of Sauron—specifically Annatar

Well all RAPEs and RAPEttes are like this onlee! She belongs of course to RAPE Royalty. The capacity of RAPEs to do harm to India have rapidly diminished in the last decade. Their briefing now is only to try to save Pakistani Establishment's chaddi, and to some extent they succeed, but only to a small extent. The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the middle of world politics - Pakistan-sponsored Terrorism, is simply too big to hide behind a RAPEtte's salwar now!

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 09 Jun 2011 05:07

Musharraf writes his standard whines in an op-ed for CNN:

Pakistan: A reality check amid the terror and chaos
http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/06/08/p ... .islamism/

The abandonment of Pakistan after 1989, with a strategic shift of U.S. policy towards India and military sanctions against Pakistan, cost U.S.-Pakistan relations very dearly. In Pakistan's public mind, the United States ''used'' Pakistan and then abandoned it: this was taken as a betrayal. The U.S. nuclear policy of appeasement and strategic co-operation with India against Pakistan is taken by the man in the street in Pakistan as very partisan and an act of animosity against our national interest.

The malicious role of India and the Afghan government itself in maligning Pakistan's military and intelligence must not be overlooked. We know what Indian consulates in Kandahar and Jalalabad especially are doing. We also know that Afghan intelligence, military and foreign service personnel go for training in India. Not a single one comes to Pakistan, despite Pakistan's longstanding offer of free training since my time in office.

The ulterior Indian motive of creating an anti-Pakistan Afghanistan has to stop. The Kashmir dispute needs an urgent, amicable settlement. That is the core...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jun 2011 05:21

RajeshA wrote:
MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy

http://blip.tv/slowtv/pakistan-nation-o ... to-5236151
So Ms Fatima Bhutto wants to deride other countries in order to show that Pakistan is no worse than any other country in the world.

The old, worn out "torn shirt versus open fly" tactic. My torn shirt doesn't matter because your fly is open.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jun 2011 05:26

Theo_Fidel wrote:
MurthyB wrote:Fatima Bhutto seems to be trying hard to become Bakistan's Suzanne Roy
Look at way she stands. That is the body language of a woman in love with herself and her voice. As with other Rapes she will say anything about TSP to earn 'sympathy' for the 'moderate' elite. The truth is it is exactly people like her who created these laws and use them to enrich themselves.

If she wants to know what is wrong with TSP she should look in the mirror.

I managed to watch 37 seconds - up until the time she asked "Who isn't having a nervous breakdown?" I can list so many people and countries that are not having a nervous breakdown that I had to stop.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2011 05:43

ramana wrote:
The seed of the current problem was laid during the time of the Anti-Soviet campaign in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and by all the indications Pakistan is about to be dropped like hot potato as they were after the defeat of the Soviets till 9/11 and the US war in Afghanistan rescued them from the backwaters of US interest, to a frontline state.
The real seeds were sown right after the nation was founded when irregular army of tribals was sent to invade Kashmir in 1947. It was the lack of consequences for carrying out aggression using non-uniformed personnel that enabled TSP to persist in this policy repeatedly to date.

I would even go earlier in the immediate context of India & Pakistan, though in a purely Islamist context one has to go right to the root. In our immediate context, Allama Iqbal and Mohammed Ali Jinnah along with his Muslim League leaders were able to create a sense of paranoia about Hindu domination and Muslim subjugation before Independence thus paving the way for a violent separation. In the final stages of this policy, extraordinary violence was employed to achieve their goal. Similar policies of paranoia and aggression were thus carried forward into the newly created state of Pakistan.