Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Jun 2011 05:47

@Shiv: "I managed to watch 37 seconds - up until the time she asked "Who isn't having a nervous breakdown?" I can list so many people and countries that are not having a nervous breakdown that I had to stop."

Equal= Equal Your fly is unbuttoned wot? Very dangerous this broad.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jun 2011 07:27

This woman, Ms. Fatima Bhutto, is a fine example of how the RAPE class can charm their Western audience. {I do remember that when she came to India to publicize her book, she wore a bindi.} Her attire, fluency, wits and accent of English are all endearing to them. She seems to talk with a disarming openness, not afraid of criticizing her own country or fellow countrymen. She talks of Mukhtaran Mai's case to create an impression of being self-critical. Apart from that, she completely sidestepped the most serious transgressions of Pakistan. But, she introduces a number of lies all the same in defining the larger picture of Pakistan. She very subtly equates Osama with Obama. She blames the US for all the ills of her nation. I just list some of her lies:

She says that the bodies of Baloch separatists, which appear regularly in ditches, is a result of Pakistan's participation in 'Global War on Terror'. One doesn't need to comment on how facetious a lie this argument is.
She says that Pakistan is a young country and it takes time to build nation-states. Pakistan is *not* building anything except terrorism. It has destroyed all the fine pillars of a nation-state left behind by the British and has only replaced them with Islamism, bigotry, terrorism, and sectarianism. It has been sliding dangerously rapidly everey single day of its existence and she is presenting a false facade of the nation-state being built.
She singularly blames the US for targetted killing using drones forgetting several facts. For one, Pakistan is complicit in this while lying to its own people that it was against it. In fact, it even requested the US to increase attacks as WikiLeaks reveals. For another, most of those killed were terrorists belonging to AQAM as PA itself has accepted.
She talks of 'renditions' and 'water-boarding'. But, who rendered the captured AQAM terrorists to the US ? The Islamic Republic of Pakistan. From which country most of these terrorist were captured ? The Islamic Republic of Pakistan. At least, the Americans were taking revenge for one of the worst terrorist attacks in history. But, what is Pakistan doing ?
When talking about Osama family burning their garbage, she conveniently says that in 'South Asia', there are no garbage collectors and garbage is always burnt within the house.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 08:00

No leads: Missing bankers had remittances work in common

The only thing common among the three bankers who mysteriously disappeared from Bin Qasim Town a week ago is that they were all working on remittances, the money that Pakistanis working abroad send home.

Najamus Saqib is a senior director at the remittances department at the State Bank of Pakistan, the other SBP banker, Nadeem Bhurgri, is reportedly the head of marketing for the Pakistan Remittances Initiative and the third missing banker, Asif Shehzad, is the senior vice president of the remittances department at United Bank Limited.

One of the three men was also working in close coordination with a sensitive agency on money laundering and hawala and hundi cases, the informal and illegal system of transferring money to and from Pakistan.

A week has passed since the men disappeared on May 31 on their way back home from the country club but investigators have little to go on as no ransom call has been made.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 09 Jun 2011 08:00

This is a hopeless task. Just about every sentence she spoke contains a lie. Every single one. If ever there is a TSP that has doomed the country and they should work on it is this exact problem W/ lies.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Jun 2011 08:04

my CT is the three bankers were in the loop about jihadi transfers from EU/US; might have been kidnapped by the CIA with help of paid informers in pak police (which they try hard to cultivate) and have been rendered to some cia facility.

or maybe the PA bumped them off because they knew too much and khan officials had befriended them.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 09 Jun 2011 08:07

Cosmo_R wrote:@Shiv: "I managed to watch 37 seconds - up until the time she asked "Who isn't having a nervous breakdown?" I can list so many people and countries that are not having a nervous breakdown that I had to stop."

Equal= Equal Your fly is unbuttoned wot? Very dangerous this broad.

She also managed to slip in "Islam has nothing to do with Pakistan's nervous breakdown" (expected) and "US is suffering a hysterical nervous breakdown close to ours" (

)

She is, however, very pretty. I'll give her that!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Jun 2011 08:07

RajeshA wrote:..........
Well all RAPEs and RAPEttes are like this onlee! She belongs of course to RAPE Royalty. The capacity of RAPEs to do harm to India have rapidly diminished in the last decade. Their briefing now is only to try to save Pakistani Establishment's chaddi, and to some extent they succeed, but only to a small extent. The 800-pound gorilla sitting in the middle of world politics - Pakistan-sponsored Terrorism, is simply too big to hide behind a RAPEtte's salwar now!

Early on it was monkey trapped with its hand in the Kashmir jar. The US to spite/harass the Indian gardener fed and transformed the monkey into the 800 pound gorilla which now threatens them.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 08:08

Rangers killed an Unarmed Young Boy Extra Judicially in Karachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4a-GYsbtE4

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jun 2011 08:15

Interview: Ehsan ul-Haq (former head of ISI)

The mysterious death of Ilyas Kashmiri

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 09 Jun 2011 08:37

Apologies if this is a re-post.
An Open Letter to General Pasaha

By Ejaz Haider, Published: June 7, 2011

The writer was a Ford Scholar at the Programme in Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security at UIUC (1997) and a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Foreign Policy Studies Programme

Dear General Pasha,
I write this letter to you in the wake of the gruesome and gratuitous murder of Syed Saleem Shahzad, friend to many, including myself.
The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Directorate, the agency you head, is being accused of Saleem’s murder. You must also know that the ISI is widely reviled and dreaded at home. For an agency that was set up primarily for strategic intelligence, this is quite an achievement. It is accused of driving in its own lane, monitoring the media, kidnapping, torturing and sometimes killing dissenters, political and otherwise, determining, arbitrarily, what Pakistan’s national interest is and how best we should go about pursuing it.

You must also know that some former officers have not only admitted to electoral fraud, rigging, making and breaking of political alliances, buying people through a mix of carrots and sticks, and browbeating the media, but consider having done so as part of their remit and in the best national interest. Perish the thought that any one of them would say peccavi, since some actually boast about it.
Whispers there always have been. But now much is being said aloud. The ISI is not accountable to anyone; it is all-powerful; it can kill mercilessly and, in this case, it has killed Saleem, so go these whispers. What would you say to this? Shrug and move on, as if it makes no difference, that this is about a few flies buzzing around, a minor nuisance at worst? The man, who now lies buried after being tortured to death, leaves behind three children and a wife. To me this does not look like anything minor.

And what has the agency you head done so far? Nothing, beyond getting an unnamed official to say that while the “unfortunate and tragic death of Syed Saleem Shahzad is a source of concern for the entire nation”, “the incident should not be used to target and malign the country’s security agencies”. Well, sir, to me this is totally unacceptable. What makes the security agencies exempt from criticism or accountability, especially if they are considered enemies by the very people they are supposed to protect?

I believe in giving everyone a fair hearing but the ISI has to do much more than get an unnamed official to issue a feeble condolence and follow it up with a veiled threat to the media to deserve such a hearing. And as far as maligning the agency is concerned or knowing what national interest is, this being no time for mincing words, let me assure you that I understand the theoretical and practical dimensions of statecraft better and more deeply than your entire agency. And I am not the only one.

Now, for a moment, let’s assume that the ISI has not killed Saleem. Let’s also assume that much of what is being said about the ISI is the product of a heat-oppressed civilian brain, not a reality. Perhaps you would still like to know why people think such things of the ISI. So, here goes.

Nation-states are not biological entities; they are, to use the cliché, ‘imagined communities’. This, as the starting point, should give you some idea about how easily the concept of the state and its interest can be problematised. Democratic states garner the loyalties of their people through a sense of sharing and participation, through constitutionalism. In comparison, totalitarian and oppressive states use fear to keep the flock together. History shows that the latter break up at some point. No amount of oppression can keep the people chained; it is only a matter of time. Instead, oppression begets violence and deep turmoil. The problem with oppression is thus that it attracts what it sets out to avoid. Therein lies both the irony and the paradox.

Allied with this point is the idea of civilian supremacy, the fact that while the state becomes overarching, those representing it at any point of time have to operate on the basis of accepted and acceptable rules of the game. They are all accountable through two levels of agency. The first and primary level of agency is granted by the people through elections to their representatives; the second, a much more restrictive level of agency, is accorded by the peoples’ representatives to bureaucratic institutions, including the military and its intelligence agencies.

You, sir, are therefore a servant twice over, as are all your officers and other personnel. You are answerable to our representatives and those representatives are answerable to us.

Obviously, theory does not match fact in Pakistan and it is this anomaly which has brought the country to the brink of disaster. I have said this before and I will say it again: The military-ISI combine has no business defining Pakistan’s interest. That is our job and we, the civilians, will do it through our representatives. Your job is to implement, not formulate, policies.

Since it is your job to identify threats, you must understand the deep fault lines developing in this state. Today’s disarray is the product of flawed policies and even more flawed attempts at nation-building. Strategic vision, like charity, begins at home. If the people of this country feel proud to be Pakistanis, you will have that strength at your back. If they don’t, that makes you very weak too. And you can’t beat people into submission; nor kill them and expect all will be hunky-dory.

It is all about the fundamentals. Unless you get the fundamentals right, no amount of cloak-and-dagger stuff will reduce the threats the country faces. In fact, given what the people think about the agency you head, one of the biggest evolving threats appears to emanate from an organisation whose very reason for existence is to identify and evaluate threats to this state. Could there be a deeper irony than this?

I met you the first time in November 2007 when you were director-general military operations. I know you to be a straight-talking soldier. I would expect that you would do everything to prove that Saleem was not murdered by the ISI. Conversely, if the spoor is traced back to your agency, that you would ensure that whoever is responsible for it, no matter how highly placed, would face the law as a common murderer. That is the only honourable thing to do and nothing less would do, or be acceptable. That is also the only way you can save this country.

Published in The Express Tribune, June 8th, 2011.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 09:13

Eight soldiers killed in North Waziristan clash

MIRANSHAH: Around 150 militants armed with rockets attacked a security checkpost in Pakistan’s Waziristan on Thursday, killing eight soldiers, intelligence officials said, as tensions rise in the border region.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 09:15

Five terrorists, two troops killed in Parachinar ambush

PARACHINAR: At least five terrorists were killed in retaliatory fire by security forces in Shaheedano Dhand area and two security personnel were also martyred in an ambush on Wednesday.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 09:19

PPP activist among 2 killed, death toll climbs to 16 in 48 hours

Karachi—Two persons including an activist of Pakistan People Party (PPP) were killed and another injured in fresh spate of target killing in different localities of the city raising, the death toll to 16 in 48 hours.

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Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jun 2011 09:22

anandsgh wrote:Don't know whether to share this here or not but here is the link of PBS documentary on Mumbai Massacre. This is different from the one on Channel4.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=9SK8GA81

Loved the Indian lady at 43:21 say something like "An Indian commando walked in and he looked like Brad Pitt!". Only minor correction: The commando was the real thing, Brad Pitt is just an actor.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 09 Jun 2011 09:30

Raja Babu

Respect to the Indian woman who stood smiling in the face of death (As narrated by the Turkish lady)
Respect to the chef who had promised the same Indian lady you mention, that he would save her (he died 2 days later of bullet wounds)
Respect the dozens of hotel staff from both Oberoi & Taj who were among the 170 deaths

We SDRE's have some unlikely heroes....its too bad that we have a very short memory.
I was actually annoyed at the Turkish couple who performed a Taqqiya to save their lives

Raja Bose wrote: Loved the Indian lady at 43:21 say something like "An Indian commando walked in and he looked like Brad Pitt!". Only minor correction: The commando was the real thing, Brad Pitt is just an actor.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 09 Jun 2011 09:44

shravan wrote:Rangers killed an Unarmed Young Boy Extra Judicially in Karachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4a-GYsbtE4

Pakistan is an entity where almost everyone who has access to a firearm is convinced of his right to kill someone without.
There is no remorse or hesitation. No thought is spared for the one who is at the receiving end. No mercy, no compassion.

If this is not hell what is?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Jun 2011 09:56

[quote="KanishkaPakistan is an entity where almost everyone who has access to a firearm is convinced of his right to kill someone without.
There is no remorse or hesitation. No thought is spared for the one who is at the receiving end. No mercy, no compassion.If this is not hell what is?

[/quote]

Gandhi and Naihru wanted to keep these Poakanimals inside the Indian tent. Hell is live able place while Pakistan is pristine Islam where onlee the purest one will stand in the end.

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Jun 2011 10:32

shravan wrote:Five terrorists, two troops killed in Parachinar ambush

PARACHINAR: At least five terrorists were killed in retaliatory fire by security forces in Shaheedano Dhand area and two security personnel were also martyred in an ambush on Wednesday.

Shouldn't the martyred and killed be interchanged?

It was 5 miscreants martyred and 2 security men killed...

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 09 Jun 2011 10:48

Fatima is so appealing b/c she grovels and keeps talking about how bad Pak is. it puffs up the Western mind to think of some turd-world country that they need to take care of...

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 11:17

4 killed, 3 injured in Matni Bazar blast

PESHAWAR: At least four persons have been reported killed and three injured in a powerful blast in Matni Bazar near Peshawar, SAMAA reported on Thursday.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 11:22

anandsgh wrote:Don't know whether to share this here or not but here is the link of PBS documentary on Mumbai Massacre. This is different from the one on Channel4.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=9SK8GA81

The terrorists' and the handlers' voices that you hear on this video are re-enactments performed by artists on this PBS documentary.

The Channel 4 documentary had the real voices.

But this one had some new info like the netaji who started calling up the news channel from one of the hotels and giving out their location to the handlers in Karachi.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 09 Jun 2011 11:31

^^^Oh the neta ji's calling was revealed during incident onlee. The news anchor and neta ji both deserve to be tarred and feathered and shot. Due to them quite a few hotel employees lost their lives. Typical good-for-nothing parasites.

The Indian lady in the video is Anjali Pollack, a well known interior designer in NYC.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 11:33

Kanishka wrote:
shravan wrote:Rangers killed an Unarmed Young Boy Extra Judicially in Karachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4a-GYsbtE4

Pakistan is an entity where almost everyone who has access to a firearm is convinced of his right to kill someone without.
There is no remorse or hesitation. No thought is spared for the one who is at the receiving end. No mercy, no compassion.

If this is not hell what is?

To understand Pakistani psyche a little better I think it will be a good idea to sit through one of their movies.
Maula Jatt, Noori Mutt and the others in that series are very instructive.

These are horribly made and it is really painful to sit through these, and they are in Punjabi, but they lay bare the feudal social order, the discriminations, the brutal putting down of the people in the lower social strata by the feudals.
The reason these movies are a hit is because they show in part the lower social strata revolting against the feudals.

And everything seems to be solved with violence, with the 'bandook' and if you guys think that old school bamabiya heros had good dialogue punchlines, baby ya all ain't seen nothing yet. These guys take the cake as far as talking big goes.

That is Pakistan for you. A land ruled ruthlessly by the feudals, their dictates enforced at the point of the 'bandook', and 'badkiyan marna is a cultural trait. (badki marna = Loud Boastful Talk)
The moment these guys meet foreigners, and can't use the bandook, and they can't talk loud in front of the US or India, they grovel and cheat.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 11:39

We now have a good collection of youtube videos of the Pakistani law enforcement agencies, and their army carrying out extra-judicial killings.

1. The Pakistani army executing villagers in Baluchistan / KP
2. Pakistani army torturing common civilians including brutally kicking, slapping them. That video of an army major slapping an old man and the old man calling out to allah.
3. Pakistani police encounter killing those unarmed chechans, where that pregnant muslim woman raises her finger to allah right before dying.
4. Now this video of the Rangers killing an unarmed man in cold blood.

A youtube compilation and a playlist needs to be made out of these, and updated constantly as new ones become available, so that everyone can see what these guys are upto.

The baloch nation need to interview families of the people who have disappeared, get their stories out and post them.

Opinion needs to be built within India and around the world.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jun 2011 11:50

^

This is a much clear video. NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRth67oBda4&sns=fb

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 09 Jun 2011 12:14

Shaashtanga wrote: ...
the voice of the paki handler on this documentary is different from what shivji has collected for his video.

Sure enough. It says this at the start

Terrorist phone conversations have been re-voiced from transcripts of intercepted calls

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 12:29

shravan wrote:^

This is a much clear video. NSFW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRth67oBda4&sns=fb

********!

The shot him on the left thigh. Punctured the Femoral Artery and vein.
The guy would have bled to death in 5 minutes, and he did.
The Rangers just stood around twiddling their thumbs.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 09 Jun 2011 12:50

They are doing exactly what they blame us for doing in kashmir.
they have no case against us, anytime one of the porki moans about Indian "zulm" in kashmir, we need to shove these videos up their snout.
I actually feel bad for the 17 year old kid who got killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPyANnZ5dDc

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 09 Jun 2011 13:30

Gagan wrote:We now have a good collection of youtube videos of the Pakistani law enforcement agencies, and their army carrying out extra-judicial killings.

1. The Pakistani army executing villagers in Baluchistan / KP
2. Pakistani army torturing common civilians including brutally kicking, slapping them. That video of an army major slapping an old man and the old man calling out to allah.
3. Pakistani police encounter killing those unarmed chechans, where that pregnant muslim woman raises her finger to allah right before dying.
4. Now this video of the Rangers killing an unarmed man in cold blood.

A youtube compilation and a playlist needs to be made out of these, and updated constantly as new ones become available, so that everyone can see what these guys are upto.

The baloch nation need to interview families of the people who have disappeared, get their stories out and post them.

Opinion needs to be built within India and around the world.

Dont forget the video of Paki soldiers in NWFP shooting kids at point blank range as part of clearing Swat valley operations last year. One only wonders how brutal the protesters in Gligit and occupied Kashmir are treated. especially the case post the 2005 earthquake when 37 children throats were slit in protest against the lack of help by the paki Army.

The WKK crowd has done a good job of hiding Paki Attrocities. for eg. a Mahesh Butt and Nandita Das when they go receive awards from TSP Rape will never mention the targeted killings of Shias or Baluchis in far greater numbers than Gujarat in the Land of the Pure. The best part is both these people get rewarded for such behaviour in India and I think they were part of a couple of Government Bodies also.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 13:39

Specifically on Kashmir,
What legal claim does Pakistan have on J&K if at all?

Did the brits ever write down on a piece of paper that J&K was to be part of Pakistan?

India has:
1. The treaty accession signed by the Maharaja of Kashmir
2. A J&K State Assembly Resolution that clearly states that the state of J&K is an integral part of India. (If people challenge this, then go challenge the union of Texas into the US also)
3. The UN resolution in effect identifies the Pakistani Army as an outside intervening force, and asks it to withdraw from J&K and to hand over the entire state of J&K to India. (Then asks the Government of India to hold a Plebiscite there)

Yet:
1. India has not made moves to evict the Pakistani Army from J&K inspite of the UN resolution, and inspite of a resolution in the Parliamant of India which reaffirms that J&K is an integral part of India.
2. GoI has in the past surrendered areas in J&K to Pakistan - the Hajipir pass for one by Lal Bahadur Shastri at Tashkent after '65.

To my knowledge Pakistan brandies about a blatant lie when they say, "Muslim majority areas were to be Pakistan", therefore Kashmir == Pakistan. Bullshit! It was never that simplistic.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 13:42

Aditya_V wrote:
Gagan wrote:We now have a good collection of youtube videos of the Pakistani law enforcement agencies, and their army carrying out extra-judicial killings.

1. The Pakistani army executing villagers in Baluchistan / KP
Dont forget the video of Paki soldiers in NWFP shooting kids at point blank range as part of clearing Swat valley operations last year.

That was supposed to be No. 1 on the list.

We don't have videos from Gilgit & Balistan, and Balochistan. We need more from NWFP/KP.

RajeshG · Post by **RajeshG** » 09 Jun 2011 14:14

One of my pet theories is that yankee political establishment is full of people with military background and hence find it easier to deal with militaries around the world (as compared to SDRE politicians). Its only natural that they are more comfortable with the TFTA martial mards. The problem after abottabad and mehran is that pak-fauj is not and will not be treated by the non-khaki TSPians as martial enough and TFTA enough. This is a weird situation for yanks. They wont like to deal with the hijdaa fauj.

Either fauj has to restore its martial capabilities or they face this problem of dealing with an increasingly macho yankee faujee types who really dont respect the hijdaa fauj. This could get pretty complicated (and painful) for the TSPA.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 14:49

Also within pakistan, mango abduls are feeling more martial than the fauj right now.

Everyone from Nawaz Sharif to the journalists are baying for the fauj and the ISI's blood.

ISI killing of SSS hasn't made people shut up, tongues are still wagging that the Pak Fauj is a hijda fauj.

Problem for the Pak Fauj is that they can't have a successful display of their martial-ness. They've never won a war against India, they downhill ski all the time, they surrender to a handful of talibs, because the officers don't want to lead their men into battle.

FC behaves more like 'Fattu-Chor' instead of 'Frontier Corps'. And the army and the para-military forces' image is bleeding, and there seems to be no way to stem it.

On top of it, the US's deadline is approaching. If the pakistani army doesn't deliver, the US will do it themselves, and then there will be another outcry by the people. If they do it, they can atleast shore up things with the US, but the talibs and the Al-Keeda guys will be hopping mad.

Which is why:
1. Iliyas Kashmiri they have taken underground until the US draws down from Af-Pak
2. Sirajudding Haqqani would be nowhere to be seen, the ISI would have relocated him by now.
3. Zawahiri had better be careful. And Al Keeda had better be prepared, because AAZ is number 1 on the hit list.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 09 Jun 2011 16:01

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... IM20110609

Apologies if this has been posted earlier but it says only an hour ago.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 09 Jun 2011 16:11

Kanishka wrote:
shravan wrote:Rangers killed an Unarmed Young Boy Extra Judicially in Karachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4a-GYsbtE4

Pakistan is an entity where almost everyone who has access to a firearm is convinced of his right to kill someone without.
There is no remorse or hesitation. No thought is spared for the one who is at the receiving end. No mercy, no compassion.

If this is not hell what is?

No. Hell hath no fury like a Pakistan

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 09 Jun 2011 16:15

ilyas kashmiri = ilya kuryakin
nawaz sharief = napoleon solo
spectre = ISI

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 09 Jun 2011 16:24

RSoami wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/ ... IM20110609

Apologies if this has been posted earlier but it says only an hour ago.

Pakistan is a victim of cross border terrorism onlee.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 09 Jun 2011 16:34

That footage in which the poor fellow is shot in the thigh should be spread far and wide... Guys with the capability, pls do the needful. The fellow who shot him is the same guy who puts the gun in his face at the beginning of the video...

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Jun 2011 16:36

devesh wrote:Fatima is so appealing b/c she grovels and keeps talking about how bad Pak is. it puffs up the Western mind to think of some turd-world country that they need to take care of...

Devesh, I am not sure if that (i.e., your impression) is exactly what I would take away after watching that fine stand up comedic show. To me, it reeked of superficiality that many paki rapettes (and their counterparts from India) acquire after a few years of college in the English-speaking West. For them getting a Master's in Political Science (and thats all they get) from a liberal arts college in the US or England qualifies them to speak on their nation's politics.

My takeaway was that she was neither grovelling nor was she deriding the idea of pakistan (or islam as the foundation of that benighted country). She was dumping all of the world's problems (including her nation's) on the west to which the liberals in the audience were applauding her and lapping it up at every step of the way. Someone else in this forum marvelled at the way she looks. Let's not go there, shall we? I am not going to argue that (beauty is in the eye of...) but the overall impression that I got is that this confused rapette used all her trussed up assets and artificial charms to best use in this opening delivery. She mocked the very audience she was addressing and many members of the audience thought it to be remarkable. This is why this antic reminded me of a stand up comedy show. That's where the comedian makes fun of the audience (or some members of the audience) and the rest of drunken audience breaks out into self-deprecating laughter and unqualified approval. One laugh every two minutes, that's the mantra. Also, this being Sydney, Australia, it is fashionable to put down America. Ms. Bhutto succeeded in both counts by neatly deflectng her country's problems and laying the blame on the west, not withstanding the nervous breakdown she (and her nation) seems to be perpetually having but hiding it very effectively behind the $150 hair cut.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Jun 2011 16:40

Cosmo_R wrote:No. Hell hath no fury like a Pakistan

Hell hath no fury like a Pakistani Born.