Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 12 Jun 2011 23:22

^^It is a war of GUBO - who bends over first. Meanwhile get the popcorn and Black Label batli.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jun 2011 01:07

harbans wrote:I don't see a savior of India 150 years hence. We are losing. We'll be out populated and out bred by the cult of Islamism. Folks here are not realizing the massively rapid change of demographics in India. We are not witnessing Pakistan's collapse yet. Pakistan and it's ideology has everything going in it's favor till now. Our dealing with Islam has no solution but a direct confrontation with the doctrine of Dar Ul Harb and Dar ul Islam. Cults must be redefined to fit excluvist doctrine. Some Abrahmic religions will enter the definition of cult then and not religion. It's easier tackling the subversiveness of Islamist ideology then. Else there is no solution.

Even if Pakistan collapses, and the doctrine is not challenged, we are finished in 150 years or less. Maximum i am giving 150 years for the survival of core civilization in India. Even after Pak's collapse. Unless we challenge doctrine and debate it like the ancient Indian gur debates on Dvait, advait and the great Rishi's and Shankaracharyas we produced. They and India all evolved in thought due to doctrinal debate and meditation. We give that a miss today we are doomed. Pakistan's collapse notwithstandsing.

harbans wrote:
KJoishy wrote:I wish there was a way I could use a Like button for saadhak's post.
Me too. I would consider it reprehensible to use Women in such a manner as suggested. Saadhak ji, great post! Thanks for it.

harbans ji,

at least we will go down holding our values in our hearts!

For somehow our values don't allow us to take the hard decisions!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Jun 2011 01:16

Poak population problem can be solved with ZSU 23mm Shilka without getting close to them . Hundreds of these beauties installed at the border can avoid so much commotion.
Check the appropriate mode at 4.30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcXiXNUd ... re=related

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Jun 2011 01:28

at least we will go down holding our values in our hearts!

For somehow our values don't allow us to take the hard decisions!

Agree Rajesh Ji, better to go down with the values intact than compromising on Dharma. Dharma is subtle. Sukshma. And that was Bhism IIRC.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 13 Jun 2011 01:45

Raja Bose wrote:^^It is a war of GUBO - who bends over first. Meanwhile get the popcorn and Black Label batli.

What war Rajababu? US holds all the cards and Pukistan is less than a beggar. They can go the Yugo way of carpet bombing as Bush had threatened. Just a threat will do the work. If the US do not have stomach for that, they can confiscate all the general's (this includes all ex-generals like Mush) money held in Western Banks and see them shit blood. See what is happening to Gaddafi this very moment.
Gautam

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 13 Jun 2011 01:48

harbans wrote:at least we will go down holding our values in our hearts!

For somehow our values don't allow us to take the hard decisions!

Agree Rajesh Ji, better to go down with the values intact than compromising on Dharma. Dharma is subtle. Sukshma. And that was Bhism IIRC.

Speaking of not letting go of Dharma, let us not forget: Dharmo rakshati rakshatah i.e. Dharma protects the one who protects dharma.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 13 Jun 2011 02:06

harbans wrote:at least we will go down holding our values in our hearts!

For somehow our values don't allow us to take the hard decisions!

Agree Rajesh Ji, better to go down with the values intact than compromising on Dharma. Dharma is subtle. Sukshma. And that was Bhism IIRC.

My response!

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 13 Jun 2011 02:10

Please stick to the thread topic.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 13 Jun 2011 03:07

anupmisra wrote:
harbans wrote:Ramana Ji, my family extends from North India to South to NE. My sister's husband is from Kerala, 2 of my cousins married to girls from TN and Kerala..My fiancee she's from Nagaland..i think i feel free to shiver in dhoti, lungi or katcha. As long as i can shiver desi ishtyle..i am happy onlee sir ji.
Harbans, now that's India. I have relatives ranging from Rajasthan, Punjab, UP, Bihar, Bengal, Kashmir, Orissa, Karnataka, Maharashtra and MP. My wife is from Gujarat. Besides Brahmins, we have Kshatriyas, Jains, and Muslims in our family. No pakis.

+1

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 13 Jun 2011 04:15

g.sarkar wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:^^It is a war of GUBO - who bends over first. Meanwhile get the popcorn and Black Label batli.
What war Rajababu? US holds all the cards and Pukistan is less than a beggar. They can go the Yugo way of carpet bombing as Bush had threatened. Just a threat will do the work. If the US do not have stomach for that, they can confiscate all the general's (this includes all ex-generals like Mush) money held in Western Banks and see them shit blood. See what is happening to Gaddafi this very moment.
Gautam

Gautam moshai, you are giving too much credit to the spineless foggy bottom mandarins. Don't forget pakis are also born survivors who will lie through their teeth to survive 1 more day and they also know have a pretty good idea on which of unkil's knobs to push and when - they have been doing it since Pakistan was created.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 13 Jun 2011 04:25

What war Rajababu? US holds all the cards and Pukistan is less than a beggar.

Yet much of this is posturing and baiting the US. Pakistanis are master baiters.

arun · Post by **arun** » 13 Jun 2011 07:09

The “Yehudi – Yankee –Yindoo” cabal blamed for the various acts of Islamic Terrorism in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Foreign powers behind terror acts, claims Qazi

our correspondent
Monday, June 13, 2011

NOWSHERA: Former Jamaat-e-Islami (JI) chief Qazi Hussain Ahmad on Sunday accused the United States, Israel and India of being directly involved in acts of terror in Pakistan in general and in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in particular.

Addressing the Kashmir Conference at the Khushal Khan Khattak Memorial Hall in Akora Khattak, he said the US-Israel-India axis in Afghanistan was turning the friends of Pakistan into our enemies to make the western border of the country vulnerable. He said this was aimed to weaken Pakistan and establish the hegemony of India in the region while endangering the very foundation of the country.

He added that the JI condemned Saturday’s blast in Peshawar that claimed the lives of innocent people. He said the US was carrying out such blasts in Pakistan through its agents................................

The News

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 13 Jun 2011 08:16

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=97137

China-Pakistan strategic ties deepen
Brahma Chellaney

After the daring US raid that killed Osama bin Laden in his hideout next to Pakistan’s premier military academy, Islamabad has openly played its China card to caution Washington against pushing it too hard. And China has been more than eager to show itself as Pakistan’s staunchest ally. China’s deepening strategic penetration of Pakistan — and the joint plans to set up new oil pipelines, railroads, and even a naval base on the Arabian Sea that will serve as the first overseas location offering support to the Chinese navy for out-of-area missions — are spurring greater U.S. and Indian concerns. For India, the implications of the growing strategic nexus are particularly stark because both China and Pakistan refuse to accept the territorial status quo and lay claim to large tracts of Indian land.

An influx of up to 11,000 soldiers of the People’s Liberation Army into Pakistan’s Himalayan regions of Gilgit and Baltistan to supposedly work on new projects, including a railroad, an upgraded highway, dams and secret tunnels, has raised concerns that those strategic borderlands could come under the Chinese sway. The predominantly Shiite Gilgit and Baltistan are in Kashmir, where the borders of China, India and Pakistan converge. The PLA influx has resulted, according to India, in the presence of Chinese troops close to Pakistan’s line of control in Kashmir with India. This presents India with a two-front theater in the event of a war with either country. Despite the bin Laden affair, the United States is seeking to repair its relationship with — not discipline — Pakistan, the largest recipient of American aid. Yet Pakistan and China have made a public show of their close strategic bonds.

Within days of bin Laden’s killing, Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani travelled to Beijing. The accompanying defence minister, Ahmed Mukhtar, reported that whatever requests for assistance the Pakistani side made, the Chinese government was more than happy to oblige, including agreeing to take over operation of the strategically positioned but underused port of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea upon expiry of an existing contract with a Singaporean government company. Beijing also decided to gift Pakistan 50 JF-17 fighter jets. More important, Mukhtar disclosed that Pakistan had asked China to begin building a naval base at Gwadar, where Beijing funded and built the port. “We would be ... grateful to the Chinese government if a naval base is ... constructed at the site of Gwadar for Pakistan,” he said in a statement. He later told a British newspaper in an interview: “We have asked our Chinese brothers to please build a naval base at Gwadar.”

Mukhtar’s comments on the naval base embarrassed Beijing, which wants no publicity. China usually makes strategic moves by stealth. It launched work even on the Gwadar port quietly. So how can plans on a naval base be publicised? After Pakistan spilled the beans on the Gwadar naval base, China responded with equivocation, saying “this issue was not touched upon” during the visit. But the Chinese Communist Party’s hawkish Global Times was not shy about advertising China’s interest in setting up bases overseas.

In an editorial titled, “China Needs Overseas Bases for Global Role,” the newspaper urged the outside world to “understand the need of China to set up overseas military bases.” Opened in 2007, the port at Gwadar — which overlooks Gulf shipping lanes and is near the Iran border — was intended from the beginning to represent China’s first strategic foothold in the Arabian Sea and to eventually double up as a Chinese-built naval base. It was widely seen as part of China’s efforts to assemble a “string of pearls” along the Indian Ocean rim. Yet until Mukhtar’s recent statements unmasked the larger plans, China and Pakistan continued to deny that Gwadar had any role other than commercial.

Whereas Pakistan wants to help the Chinese navy counterbalance India’s naval forces, China’s aim is to have important naval presence in the Indian Ocean to underpin its larger geopolitical ambitions and get into great-power maritime game. It thus needs Gwadar to plug its main weakness — the absence of a naval anchor in the region. China’s plan also is to make Gwadar a major energy hub transporting Gulf and African oil by pipeline to the Chinese heartland via Pakistan-held Kashmir and Xinjiang. Such piped oil would not only cut freight costs and supply time but also lower China’s reliance on U.S.-policed shipping lanes through the Malacca and Taiwan Straits.

Significantly, as China’s involvement in strategic projects in Pakistan has grown, it has started openly started needling India on Kashmir, one-fifth of which is under Chinese occupation. It has used the visa issue and other innovative ways to question India’s sovereignty over Indian-controlled Kashmir. It also has shortened the length of the Himalayan border it claims to share with India by purging the 1,597-km line separating Indian Kashmir from the Chinese-held Kashmir part.

By deploying troops in Pakistani-held Kashmir near the line of control with India and playing the Kashmir card against India, China is clearly signalling that Kashmir is where the Sino-Pakistan nexus can squeeze India. The military pressure China has built up against India’s Arunachal Pradesh State — at the opposite end of the Himalayas — seems more like a diversion. In truth, the more Pakistan has slipped into a jihadist dungeon, the more China has increased its strategic footprint in that country. And 2011 has been proclaimed the year of China-Pakistan friendship. The writer, professor at the New Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research, is the author of ‘Asian Juggernaut: The Rise of China, India and Japan’ and ‘Water: Asia’s New Battlefield’. Courtesy: The Japan Times

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 13 Jun 2011 09:30

Long, but outstanding. By Dr. Shabir Choudhry.

Pakistani Nukes and the UN

I have no doubt that the world community is not at ease with Pakistan in control of most deadly weapons on earth. Would people in a market place feel safe when they see a careless and mischievous child playing with a hand grenade? They know child will not only kill himself, but also endanger lives of other people in the market.

The question is what should people in the market do? Should they ignore the child and let him play with the hand grenade; or some how try to take the hand grenade away from him? The child is fascinated with the new toy under his control, and does not want to lose his control. The child discovered that under shadow of this toy he can get away with murder, including export of jihad, violence, extremism and terrorism to other countries.

The child fully appreciated his power and influence and soon recruited like minded children to continue his policy of promoting violence and inflicting fear and harassment. He even got away with Kargil misadventure and attack on the Indian Parliament; and this surely boosted his confidence and sense of pride.

The people in the market have a choice of remaining quiet, but will the danger go away just because they don’t want to be ‘interventionalist’, or don’t want to jeopardise their trade and other interests. There is a danger that if they surround him to persuade him to stop his immature and childish actions the child could use the weapon in his hand; or in order to get sympathy can shout slogans like, Islam is in danger, conspiracy of Hindus, America and Jews and child abuse.

Pakistanis need to realise that there is a serious danger to their existence; and those who claim that Pakistan is a gift of Prophet PBUH and that Pakistan will remain till doomsday are misleading and are providing a false sense of security. Prophets gift were Qur’an and his Sunna; and whatever is happening in Pakistan is totally against teaching of Qur’an and Sunna. There is no justice, no sense of security and those who are employed to provide security kill people, as if they were in jungle hunting wild animals.

Pakistan gift of Prophet PBUH or not, Pakistan created to serve Islam or to serve some other forces, fact, however, is that Muslims are not safe in this country, apparently created in name of Islam. This is not to suggest that non Muslims are safe in Pakistan. Need of the time is to take appropriate actions now to save Pakistan and people of Pakistan. If immediate and correct actions are not taken then Pakistan may not exist as a nation state; and name of Pakistan might continue with a new geography, as it happened in 1971.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 13 Jun 2011 09:34

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9445.story
Hopes are low as Afghanistan's Karzai visits Pakistan
"Analysts say they see little hope of progress on forging a truce with militants. Separately, CIA chief Leon Panetta, picked to be the next U.S. Defense secretary, meets with Pakistan's army and intelligence heads. Reporting from Karachi, Pakistan—
Afghan President Hamid Karzai arrived in Islamabad on Friday for a two-day summit with his Pakistani counterparts that is expected to focus on efforts to forge a truce with the Taliban after years of militant violence in both countries.
But analysts said they saw little hope of concrete progress from his meetings with President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani, given lingering distrust and security problems on their shared lawless border.
"I don't expect anything substantive to come out of this," said Mahmood Shah, a Pakistani analyst and retired brigadier. "Both sides have an interest in reintegrating the Taliban, but I don't see anything much."
Separately, CIA Director Leon E. Panetta met Friday with the two officials who some here say really run Pakistan — spy chief Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha and army head Gen. Ashfaq Kayani — on how to improve relations between Washington and Islamabad. Ties have been strained since the U.S. raid last month in which Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden was killed.
......Islamabad has shown its displeasure with the U.S. by forcing out most U.S. Army trainers based in the country. This week it also said it no longer wanted Washington's massive financial assistance, although most analysts believe this was a bluff......"
Gautam

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 13 Jun 2011 12:03

3 poak faujis bumped off

DERA ISMAIL KHAN: A roadside bomb struck a military convoy in Pakistan’s South Waziristan tribal area near the Afghan border, killing three soldiers, intelligence officials said.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 13 Jun 2011 12:12

Narad wrote:3 poak faujis bumped off

DERA ISMAIL KHAN: A roadside bomb struck a military convoy in Pakistan’s South Waziristan tribal area near the Afghan border, killing three soldiers, intelligence officials said.

Is it Pak Fauj(khakis) or the dispensable FC.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 13 Jun 2011 14:01

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... -terrorism

Pakistan facing cross-border terrorism
By: Sajjad Shaukat | Published: June 13, 2011

It is mentionable that on June 1, more than 500 heavily armed militants who entered Pakistan’s Upper Dir area from Afghanistan killed more than 30 police and paramilitary soldiers.

In this regard, Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir showed strong concern with the Afghan ambassador in Islamabad on the cross-border attack launched from Afghanistan, calling for a ‘stern action’ by Afghan and US-led Nato troops to crackdown on militants in the area and their hideouts in Afghanistan.

In the realm of classic black humour!!

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jun 2011 14:12

Dealing with India in the US-Pakistan relationship - Howard B. & Teresita C. Schaffer

Please do read.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 13 Jun 2011 14:20

Thanks SS.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Jun 2011 14:33

SSridhar wrote:Dealing with India in the US-Pakistan relationship - Howard B. & Teresita C. Schaffer

Please do read.

In the end it comes down to the same old shyte.

Only a marked improvement in its relations with India, including significant steps toward a settlement of their Kashmir dispute, will lead Pakistan to change this policy. Until that unlikely development takes place — and it has eluded the two countries for six decades — Pakistan will continue to see India as a basically hostile neighbour, and its negotiators will probably continue to believe that making India look bad is an important part of their task.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 13 Jun 2011 15:20

a promising development - bum blast in islamabad
a true sign of progress if the pious can sustain such incidences in pakjab

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who better than an international migraine to organize an International Headache Conference

http://napaki.blogspot.com/2011/06/migr ... ional.html

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Jun 2011 16:49

Hiten wrote:a promising development - bum blast in islamabad

Here's more to it but please note the dumbass reporting. Suicide blast near Islamabad bank kills at least one DUH!!

Islamabad police chief Wajid Durrani said the rare attack on Monday also wounded four people. Rare!!!?

“The bomber probably blew himself up inside the bank as his head is lying inside” A paki Sherlock, no doubt!

Pakistan has suffered frequent militant attacks in the past several years, but Islamabad hasn’t experienced a bombing in many months.The feeling of being left out got to them

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jun 2011 16:56

Dilbu wrote:In the end it comes down to the same old shyte.
Only a marked improvement in its relations with India, including significant steps toward a settlement of their Kashmir dispute, will lead Pakistan to change this policy. Until that unlikely development takes place — and it has eluded the two countries for six decades — Pakistan will continue to see India as a basically hostile neighbour, and its negotiators will probably continue to believe that making India look bad is an important part of their task.

The mistake, IMHO, that every Western analyst makes, and also most Indians, is that somehow J&K is the magic silver bullet that will solve the India-Pakistan problem. Some may know the real problem but may be unwilling to put it down in writing. Irredentism is only a symptom of the much deeper Pakistani problem of hatred with India. Until this hatred is flushed out of the inner Pakistaniyat, the India-Pakistan and by extension the regional issues are not going to be resolved. Since this inner Pakistaniyat is so deeply entwined with religion and a particular interpretation of it, nothing short of reforms at that level coupled with a ruthless handling of its practitioners and wholesale changes within Pakistan can bring any relief.

But, the rest of the extract was good. That makes me feel that Teresita & her husband know the real Pakistani problem but are unwilling to state it in the open.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 13 Jun 2011 17:04

anupmisra wrote:
Hiten wrote:a promising development - bum blast in islamabad
Here's more to it but please note the dumbass reporting. Suicide blast near Islamabad bank kills at least one DUH!!

but Islamabad hasn’t experienced a bombing in many months.The feeling of being left out got to them

Don't you think this is what makes it rare as it hasn't been a regular event in Isloo

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Jun 2011 17:05

SSridhar wrote:Dealing with India in the US-Pakistan relationship - Howard B. & Teresita C. Schaffer. Please do read.

Wow! Teresita Schaffer, of all people. How the worm turns. Maybe her checks from the paki lobbyists in DC have stopped or have bounced. But seriously, this article discloses what amounts to be several closely guarded opinions by American interlocutors on their counterparts in pakiland. It lays bare the extreme low self-esteem the pakis have had since their breakaway. It's a keeper.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 13 Jun 2011 17:11

Hiten wrote:who better than an international migraine to organize an International Headache Conference http://napaki.blogspot.com/2011/06/migr ... ional.html

Next month, the International Hemorrhoids Conference in Isloo, organized by the global pain-in-ass nation.

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 13 Jun 2011 17:34

anupmisra wrote: Wow! Teresita Schaffer, of all people. How the worm turns. Maybe her checks from the paki lobbyists in DC have stopped or have bounced. But seriously, this article discloses what amounts to be several closely guarded opinions by American interlocutors on their counterparts in pakiland. It lays bare the extreme low self-esteem the pakis have had since their breakaway. It's a keeper.

Yes, their recent book from which this article is excerpted is a very good read. See my brief review here:

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1075836

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 13 Jun 2011 17:53

>>Islamabad police chief Wajid Durrani said the rare attack on Monday also wounded four people. Rare!!!?

He probably means it in the sense that it was not "Well Done".

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 13 Jun 2011 17:56

He meant: An attack that wounds only 4 is very rare. Usually it is boundary on the very first ball.

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 13 Jun 2011 18:02

Suicide blast in Islamabad 1 killed

ISLAMABAD: A suicide bomber blew himself up at a busy market in the Pakistani capital on Monday, killing at least one person in the first bombing in Islamabad in over a year and a half, police said.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/13/explosio ... mabad.html

And

Quetta blast wounds at least three

QUETTA: At least three people were wounded in a blast in Quetta on Monday, DawnNews reported.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/13/quetta-b ... three.html

In addition a blast in Waziristan killed 3 Pakistani soldiers.

Is Monday becoming the new Friday haain jee ?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 13 Jun 2011 18:11

hulaku wrote:Suicide blast in Islamabad 1 killed

The death toll may be low, disappointingly so for some. But, this is the second in two days, IIRC. Something is brewing.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 13 Jun 2011 18:17

anupmisra wrote:
Hiten wrote:a promising development - bum blast in islamabad
Here's more to it but please note the dumbass reporting. Suicide blast near Islamabad bank kills at least one DUH!!

Islamabad police chief Wajid Durrani said the rare attack on Monday also wounded four people. Rare!!!?
“The bomber probably blew himself up inside the bank as his head is lying inside” A paki Sherlock, no doubt!
Pakistan has suffered frequent militant attacks in the past several years, but Islamabad hasn’t experienced a bombing in many months.The feeling of being left out got to them

Did they send the head to the International Headache Conference to check it for a headache?

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 13 Jun 2011 18:37

Why are the more pious attacking banks ?

They bumped off some TFTA soldiers in Waziristan and the attack in Quetta was in the Police lines.

But a Bank in Islamabad ?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 13 Jun 2011 18:45

SSridhar wrote:Dealing with India in the US-Pakistan relationship - Howard B. & Teresita C. Schaffer

Please do read.

It's a step forward. Indians have been saying this for decades. Finally a tube light flickers on.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 13 Jun 2011 18:51

It is this sort of pandering that the US does that continues the problem. Just look at how insane the article is. Goes on and on about how Pakistan is India obsessed. How did they become that way. Surely Amriki weapons and money had nothing to do with it. Or that we had creeps like that Robin bird who pushed the Kashmir is TSP agenda. Or that we have Panda giving to Nuclear Weapons to 'level' the playing field. Or that it was the British who encouraged the martial races theory. Or that they created a unstable crap shoot of a country and left in 30 days flat. No, apparently they had nothing to do with it, innocent observers only.

And then it ends with India-TSP need to make peace/love in all the myriad positions. And somehow this problem is both India & TSPs fault. Stupid.

There can be no peace until TSP is fully defeated and admits it. TSP has been at war with India for 60+ years. Never stopped. Amriki would do well to demand that TSP acknowledge it has lost or further dismantling is in its future.

Dilbu wrote:In the end it comes down to the same old shyte.
Only a marked improvement in its relations with India, including significant steps toward a settlement of their Kashmir dispute, will lead Pakistan to change this policy. Until that unlikely development takes place — and it has eluded the two countries for six decades — Pakistan will continue to see India as a basically hostile neighbour, and its negotiators will probably continue to believe that making India look bad is an important part of their task.

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 13 Jun 2011 18:55

sanjaykumar wrote:
Yet much of this is posturing and baiting the US. Pakistanis are master baiters.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Jun 2011 18:57

hulaku wrote:Why are the more pious attacking banks ?

They bumped off some TFTA soldiers in Waziristan and the attack in Quetta was in the Police lines.

But a Bank in Islamabad ?

a lot of terrorist movements rely on armed robbery to raise funds

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 13 Jun 2011 19:01

SSridhar wrote:Dealing with India in the US-Pakistan relationship - Howard B. & Teresita C. Schaffer

Please do read.

from above quote

Some military officers in years past were fond of saying that vegetarian Indian troops could never hold their own against their carnivorous Pakistani counterparts.

If that is so why Bhutto talked of eating grass to make nuke

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 13 Jun 2011 19:21

Americans familiar with subcontinental history and politics may receive a more nuanced presentation than newcomers to South Asia.

From the TS article: The above reflects actually her own experience. IN the mid 90's she was the shrillest pro-Pak shrill around. I've been saying this for some time now, the new comers to the 'South Asian' experience think the problem is black and white as per the Paki which is the louder version. They first fall for the line "India has defied the UN in holding a referendum in Muslim dominated Kashmir". Everything than India says or does, specially when Indian diplomats or South black statements like "Internal affair of India" etc confirms to the Paki version for some time. They in that 'sort of confirmation about their knowledge on Kashmir and India-Pak' leak to the media about India's intransigence on the affair and stuff. So the host of articles clubbing India-Pak and giving the Paki establishment of it's success, thus encouraging them to become bolder. This happened all of the 90's. This led to the misadventure of Kargil too. It was also a failure of Indian diplomacy as they stubbornly would refuse to discuss or explain the Kashmir issue to aam Joe in the SD. Now the better experts have started looking a little deeper and realize that a referendum had not been carried out primarily due to Pak's own refusal to fulfill the UN's pre condition of withdrawing it's forces from POK in addition to settling others in POK and doing attempting to change the demographics. Thats why the SD and US stopped in recent years it's demand for a plebiscite.

Now the only thing left and we have to thank the Gaddaffi family and Queendom for this independent confirmation: That in case of a plebiscite also, it would be India that would win handsomely. Specially where the choice of Independence were there in addition to Pakistan and India. Once that too is realized a geographical look at the map of Kashmir and concentration of the anti Indian element basically one sees confined to the valley only. The larger geographical areas of Ladhak, Leh Buddhist dominated don't want truck with independence, China or Pak. So the new comer really has kept learning from all other sources but the Indian establishment. Obviously the new comer to South Asia is TS's is own experience.