Osama Bin Laden Killed in Pakistan-2

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 May 2011 12:36

rajanb wrote:
After the house has been cleared by the ISI.

Good luck to the CIA.

Apparently they were going in for two reasons (As per CNN last night):

a) With Infra-red cameras to look for hiding places in furniture and walls.
b) To collect any more forensic evidence which might give them a clue as to who elase visited that place.

panicked kiyanahi would have already licked the house clean. Surely more than a few gold bars would have been stashed away for "emergencies".

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 29 May 2011 22:22

CIA Veterans View Usama Bin Laden Death as Payback

One of the CIA agents killed in the U.S. Embassy in Kenya in 1998 was half Indian, his name was Uttamlal Shah AKA Tom Shah!!

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/29 ... z1NlNyX4SI

Haresh · Post by **Haresh** » 30 May 2011 01:44

Photo of "Tom" Shah

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... years.html

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 30 May 2011 02:55

^^^!! I know people who went to the same high school around the same time.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 04 Jun 2011 18:31

For the record, one more down:

US strike 'kills' key Pakistan militant Ilyas Kashmiri

Harkatul Jihad al-Islami confirms Ilyas Kashmiri killed

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 04 Jun 2011 19:06

^^^ This is great news; Hope the M.. F.. is in hell.

Ilyas Kashmiri killed in US drone strike in Pakistan: Reports

Kashmiri was included on an Indian list of 50 "most-wanted" fugitives believed to be sheltering in Pakistan and handed to Islamabad last month.

The Sudden End Of ‘Emerging Osama bin Laden’

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 04 Jun 2011 19:46

Great News. I do hope that it is the beginning of end.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Jun 2011 21:10

Another Reason To Hate Bin Laden (Especially In A Heat Wave): He Hogged The A/C
Comic relief by OBL/ISI and Massa
http://www.mediaite.com/online/another- ... ed-the-ac/

Bin Laden’s rooms did have the only air conditioner in the compound, in a region where summer temperatures can top 100 degrees,” reports the Associated Press. Oh, you ********.
Consider that as temperatures on the East Coast of the U.S. rise well into the 90s today. The Al Qaeda leader would sit in his nicely chilled room–possibly watching *****–while his soldiers, defenders and family sweltered. Oh, and of course he planned terror attacks in his spare time. And in the winter? No heat, just blankets, which–shocker–usually seemed to end up around bin Laden’s shoulders. The terror chief seems to have had the best of a lousy living arrangement:

Pakistani officials described the emerging picture of life inside the compound. One official described it as bleak, almost prison-like in its austerity.Some of the roughly two dozen surviving residents told Pakistani intelligence they subsisted on a weekly delivery of one goat, which they slaughtered inside the compound, plus milk from a couple of cows kept in the courtyard. There were also eggs from chickens that roamed the courtyard and vegetables from a small kitchen garden

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Jun 2011 02:50

WASHINGTON – The U.S. is tracking possible new terror targets and stepping up surveillance of operatives previously considered minor al-Qaida figures after digging through the mountain of correspondence seized from Osama bin Laden's hideout, officials say. The trove of material is filling in blanks on how al-Qaida operatives work, think and fit in the organization, they say.The new information is the result of five weeks of round-the-clock work by a CIA-led team of data analysts, cyber experts and translators who are 95 percent finished decrypting and translating the years of material and expect to complete the effort by mid-June, two U.S. officials say.Al-Qaida operatives worldwide are feeling the heat, with at least two of them altering their travel plans in recent weeks in apparent alarm that they might become the targets of another U.S. raid, one official said.All officials spoke on condition of anonymity to describe the review of bin Laden files taken by U.S. Navy SEALs in a May 2 raid on his Abbottabad, Pakistan, hideout.As for bin Laden's suggestion to hit oil tankers, there is an indication of intent, with operatives seeking the size and construction of tankers, and concluding it's best to blow them up from the inside because of the strength of their hulls. In a confidential warning obtained by The Associated Press, the FBI and the Homeland Security Department said that al-Qaida operatives also recommended test runs, but there's no evidence the plot went any further, the officials say. The U.S. has briefed allies such as Britain, Germany and other countries in Europe on the contents of the trove relevant to their nations or their portions of the counterterror fight, officials said. They have also shared some of the information with Pakistan, as part of an effort to renew cooperation with Islamabad

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110608/ap_ ... aden_trove

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 13 Jun 2011 05:02

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/12/magaz ... &ref=world
Talk
The Bin Ladens’ American Confidante
Jean Sasson wrote a book with a wife and son of Osama’s, and yes, she has stories.
Why did Omar bin Laden, Osama’s fourth son, choose you to write “Growing Up bin Laden”?.......
Gautam

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Jun 2011 09:32

No lack of crazies in the US of A

http://www.dailypioneer.com/345542/US-d ... -body.html

US diver launches underwater search for Osama's body
June 14, 2011 10:10:14 AM

IANS/RIA Novosti | Moscow

Eccentric California salvage diver and entrepreneur Bill Warren, 59, has announced that he wants to find Osama Bin Laden's body as proof the Al Qaeda leader is really dead.

"I'm doing it because I am a patriotic American who wants to know the truth. I do it for the world," Warren told the New York Post.

The nearly decade-long hunt for the elusive Al Qaeda leader, believed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, ended May 2 after US Navy Seals gunned him down in a town close to Islamabad.

The terrorist's body was buried at sea. The White House said it would not release graphic images of Osama's corpse, but the CIA did later show the photographs to select US lawmakers.

"I have a Russian girlfriend, and she tells me that over there, in intelligence circles, they don't believe bin Laden's really dead," Warren said. "I do not trust my government or Obama."

Warren expects the search will cost about $400,000 and will rely on several boats and high-end technology. If Warren finds the body, he will hold a DNA test at the ship.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 15 Jun 2011 22:53

Saudi card in Osama kill

‘Advice’ turns Pakistan around
K.P. NAYAR

San Francisco, May 5: Saudi Arabia and Turkey separately played significant roles in persuading Pakistan to give up Osama bin Laden and facilitate his elimination by the US, according to pieces that are slowly fitting the puzzle of Sunday’s anti-terror operation in Abbottabad.

In limited, highly classified briefings for key Congressional leaders, the Obama administration has shared some of its assessments that the Saudis advised Pakistan that it was necessary to take the al Qaida bull by its horns as part of a bigger strategy to manage “the Arab Spring” which is threatening established governments from Oman to Morocco.

The briefings for key men on Capitol Hill dealing with intelligence, defence, foreign affairs and homeland security, which have begun in Washington, are not entirely designed to share highly sensitive information with those who are outside the operational perimeters of the successful plan to eliminate Osama.

Old but relevant

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Jun 2011 23:23

Most likely the KSA and Turks advised the Pak civilians, for the TSPA was caught quite dazed at the Abortabad raid. So there are parallel decision paths in TSP.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 16 Jun 2011 00:12

^^ Yes, that is likely. The major reason why KSA recognised the taleban was because Prince Turki advised King Fahd this, so that they could persuade Mullah O to extradite OBL and anti saudi monarchy guys back to KSA in 2001. Prince Turki was sacked also because of this failure - and at the same time the Taleban ambassador was expelled. US worked on something similar then too.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2011 00:19

Remember the write up. About the dual murga/murgi being handed over by someone who wants to be wazir. Makes sense?

Devendra · Post by **Devendra** » 16 Jun 2011 14:23

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Al- ... 83344.html
Now Al-Zawahri is the new leader of Al-Quaida. Lets see how long he will survive from the attacks of dronaacharya.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 16 Jun 2011 18:53

Ramanaji. True.

Re: the zawahiri news, IB had it spot on to point out that ISI made up Saif Al Adel to take away pressure.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Jun 2011 18:59

Let us see what Zawahiri does to what he called the "US Colony" = Pakistan? Or if a new general takes over from Ashfaq, and since it is most likely that the ISI is hiding him, things may get interesting.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Jun 2011 19:31

ISI kept OBL in a safehouse. Zawahiri too would be in some safe house somewhere in some cantonment area. One thing is certain the next video will have Z making a statement or two of declaring war against Pakistan and US. Scripted by ISI. US will immediately sanction 2 billion usd in aid..and lots od SD people will go Paki allies etc once again. Coming to see it's a nice script really.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Jun 2011 19:43

If there is Colonels coup in TSP and they endorse the new Amir Ul Umra, Al Jeweller, it changes the entire picture.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 16 Jun 2011 21:37

need a gaddafi there

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 16 Jun 2011 23:57

ramana wrote:If there is Colonels coup in TSP and they endorse the new Amir Ul Umra, Al Jeweller, it changes the entire picture.

Soure says there has been 5 or 6 attempted coups. None succeeded, nothing to say that this won't though.

The wazir theory really gaining prominence.

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Regarding SSS killing, Ali Chishti mentioed that this Major Aziz (paki medical corps wala) who was arrested by ISI as CIA agents involved in OBL op along with 5 people was well known to SSS (i.e. a source). Is there a link? Major Aziz's house was supposedly used by CIA to spy on OBL compound.

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 17 Jun 2011 08:28

Referring to my quote (in blue), I am getting a little closer. Read whatever you will between the lines (Cuomo), but will keep an eye out for more detail, as the time allows me.

ManuT wrote:Just an observation ...
IIRC Musharraf when he was the president was saying that the would prefer that US forces kill OBL.

Now the narrative has been shifted to a matter of H&D, and that TSPA should have been asked to take out OBL.

ManuT wrote:
Mr Musharraf said today, "The accusation of my having allowed intrusion into Pakistan by US forces chasing Osama Bin Laden is absolutely baseless. Never has this subject even been discussed between myself and President Bush leave aside allowing such freedom of action that would violate our sovereignty."

Liar {maybe not to Bush personally, but he has said in a TV interview from his Busharraf days. Wait for a few days}

The Guardian cited a former senior US counter-terrorism official as declaring, "Both sides also agreed that Islamabad would vociferously protest the incursion afterwards in keeping with public sensitivities."

Under the deal, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid on its soil in search of bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri. "There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," the US official was quoted as saying.

The Guardian said a senior Pakistani official confirmed that the deal had been struck originally by Mr Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" - a six-month period from February 2008 when Mr Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/musha ... rts-104740

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Nov. 30, 2007

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3937 ... ePage=true

Cuomo: Right. You've said in the past you would like that someone else take care of Osama bin Laden. That it's complicated for you. That it's tricky about what would happen. If you were to capture him you don't know whether you'd give him to the United States. Those type of comments raise a suspicion about how dedicated you are ... to that mission. ... But the reality is it's complicated for you.

Musharraf: Yes, it is.

Cuomo: Osama bin Laden. A lot of people ... are in... favor of him here.

Musharraf: I spoke the truth, but that doesn't -- that doesn't mean that we won't handle the situation. If we get it, that we can -- we will handle the situation. Obviously. But I was just expressing a wish, very frankly -- well, I shouldn't have done it, maybe.

Cuomo: You shouldn't have done it because when you say, "We'd rather somebody else do it," it raises questions ... about how aggressive you wanna be on it, right?

Musharraf: No, I don't think it should have created that doubt, because we are extremely aggressive on any targets that we see. When we see targets and we hit them, you don't see faces. You know that this is the enemy.

The -- they are doing training. They are together, they are doing military training and we hit them. Now we don't know whether Osama bin Laden is there or [unintelligible] is there or anyone is there. We may be having some intelligence that so and so may be there. So...

Cuomo: If you knew where Osama bin Laden was, would you go in and get him and turn him over to the United States?

Musharraf: Well, let's not go into the semantics, but we will get the target. Yes, indeed. Absolutely.

Cuomo: Even if it were Osama bin Laden?

Musharraf: Absolutely.

Cuomo: And you would turn him over to the U.S.?

Musharraf: Let's not talk about whether we will turn him over to the U.S. ... or we do something here. How will we behave? Within... we'll treat him very well or we'll beat him up or something. (LAUGHS) Why get into that?

Cuomo: But it's a big question certainly to the Americans. This is enemy number one for them. They wanna know that their friend in Pakistan is on the same page. And that if you caught Osama bin Laden he'd turn him over.

Musharraf: I think the people who need to know know it. And I don't think the media is the one who needs to know.

Cuomo: Why is it something you wanna be careful about?

Musharraf: It's a very sensitive issue. It's a sensitive issue in the people of Pakistan. So why -- why get -- why arouse sentimentalities?

Cuomo: Because it's also a sensitive issue to your friends in America.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 17 Jun 2011 11:06

6 Key statements by al Qaeda’s new leader

The Five Habits of Highly Effective Terrorist Organizations

The Zawahiri Era Begins

White House: Zawahiri is an “armchair general” and “soft”

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jun 2011 19:43

ShyamD wrote: Regarding SSS killing, Ali Chishti mentioed that this Major Aziz (paki medical corps wala) who was arrested by ISI as CIA agents involved in OBL op along with 5 people was well known to SSS (i.e. a source). Is there a link? Major Aziz's house was supposedly used by CIA to spy on OBL compound.

Maybe you are onto something, If S^3 had contact with Maj Aziz and the latter was under watch, most likely S^3 was also suspect and hence brought in for questioning and died while it was underway.

OTH this Chisti guy may be planting stuff to link S^3 to Maj Aziz to justify the ISI tactics.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 17 Jun 2011 21:50

ramana wrote: Maybe you are onto something, If S^3 had contact with Maj Aziz and the latter was under watch, most likely S^3 was also suspect and hence brought in for questioning and died while it was underway.

OTH this Chisti guy may be planting stuff to link S^3 to Maj Aziz to justify the ISI tactics.

Chishti is anti TSPA, he is exposing their corruption via TFT and tweets. Serving jernails call and complain about him. THe major Aziz tweet was just a passing comment to someone else.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Jun 2011 02:48

Further tweeets by @akchishti

Sheikh Khaled Mohammad (KSM) took a flight from KHI-Quetta-Isb after the Remzi Bin Al Shibbi arrests in #Karachi - he barely escaped than.

Saud Memon / Abdullah helped KSM moved out of #Karachi - Brigadier Khaled was ISI -Op Team Chief than.

Ahmed Raza Malik alias of KSM's name in #Pakistan

ManuT · Post by **ManuT** » 18 Jun 2011 09:16

It is very difficult to prove anything about this slimeball to, but I guess, I have made my point.
BTW, I found this where Mush 'thinks' OBL didn't do 9/11 in the second link.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=963305

July 21, 2005

"We are capable of doing it," Musharraf added. "If we get intelligence, we will do it ourselves."

Asked whether Pakistan would turn bin Laden over to the United States if he was found in Pakistan, Musharraf said he would "have to see what happens."

"We hope he's found in Afghanistan by the Americans," he said, adding later, "… I would much prefer that somebody else handled him."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/ ... ncol;lst;2

Musharraf: Osama Didn't Do It Aug 9, 2002.

(AP) Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf, a strategic ally in America's war against terrorism, said in an interview he does not believe that Osama bin Laden planned the Sept. 11 attacks against the United States.

"I didn't think it is possible that Osama sitting up there in the mountains could do it," Musharraf told The New Yorker magazine in the issue appearing on newsstands Monday.

Speaking of bin Laden, Musharraf said in the interview: "He was perhaps the sponsor, the financier, the motivating force. But those who executed it were much more modern

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/ ... z1Pb82L9h5

arun · Post by **arun** » 23 Jun 2011 06:32

X Posted from the TSP thread.

Indications that the Military dominated "Deep State" of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is on a mission to cover up records of Osama Bin Laden’s sojourn there.

Head of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Dianne Feinstein, lets slip that records of Osama Bin Laden’s Abbotabad compound may have vanished:

Asked by The Cable if she had seen any evidence that senior Pakistani government officials had been involved in the hiding of bin Laden, Feinstein paused, thought for a moment, and then gave a very careful response.

"I don't understand how somebody could buy the land for $48,000, get the building permits, get a contractor, build for a period of time what is essentially the largest home compound in the area, where somebody lives for five years, and nobody asks who's there or finds out who's there," she said.

Then she offered this fascinating tidbit:

"I understand it's very difficult to go back and find the records, that they suddenly disappeared. That's not a positive sign either," she said.

Pressed by The Cable on how she knew that the bin Laden files had been lost, she said, "That's what the rumor is... I didn't hear this from [the] intel [community]."

Read it all in Foreign Policy:

Feinstein 'rumor': Pakistan lost the files on Osama's compound

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Jun 2011 13:17

They should be arresting more than half of the miserable country for aiding osama

Seized phone offers clues to Osama Bin Laden's Pakistani links

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jun 2011 23:35

New Details in the bin Laden Docs: Portrait of a Fugitive Micro-Manager
http://www.propublica.org/article/bin-l ... ro-manager

During his final years, Osama bin Laden expressed interest in everything from killing President Obama to his deputies' personalities to an article in an extremist magazine that he didn't like, according to two U.S. officials familiar with material seized during the raid that killed bin Laden. A trove of digital communications and hand-written notes show how bin Laden ran his weakened network from his solitary hideout in a garrison town in Pakistan. He was especially engaged in decisions about leadership posts and developing plots, the officials said. Bin Laden's writings discuss his strategic goal of carrying out attacks that would prevent President Obama from being re-elected, though he also wrote that "the alternative could be worse," a U.S. counterterror official said
Bin Laden was bent on inflicting mass-casualty attacks on the West, the U.S. official said. At the same time, however, he criticized an online propaganda magazine edited by a young American in Yemen, saying the bloodthirsty tone of an article could harm al Qaeda's image among Muslims, according to the U.S. counterterror official. ( Bet a Paki Kasab must have come up with such bloody plan)
The magazine, called Inspire, "apparently discussed using a tractor or farm vehicle in an attack outfitted with blades or swords as a fearsome killing machine," the official said. "Bin Laden said this is something he did not endorse. He seems taken aback. He complains that this tactical proposal promotes indiscriminate slaughter. He says he rejects this and it is not something that reflects what al Qaeda does." The sentiment apparently evokes bin Laden's concern -- previously expressed in al Qaeda letters intercepted in 2004 -- about backlash among Muslims who feel the network has gone to violent extremes, especially in Iraq, and killed many Muslims in the process.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 25 Jun 2011 01:12

Tweets from Ali Chishti
akchishti akchishti
later, Maulana Ludhanvi was killed for not compling & #OBL provided HeM 12 Double Cabin 4x4's. Both HeM & JeM were close to #OBL
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
More on #OBL connection HeM & for better understanding: when HeM was split & JeM was carved out by #ISI for Masood Azhar 1/2
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
#Iran's dubious role in giving refuge to certain high-value #alQueda is there - this regime like of KSA is another face of evil.
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akchishti
later, KSM in #Karachi used JI & #HeM links to use #Karachi as #AQ command center from 02-03 & orchestrate major attacks within #Pakistan
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
OBL always had supported HeM. Infact, when #ISI was splitting HeM in favor of Masood Azhar's JeM - OBL sent out money & SuV's 2 Faisalabad

US had negociated with a different group of #Haqqanis in Mauritius.#Haqqanis are unacceptable even to Karzai & Non-Pashtuns in Afg
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
here was my piece on #haqqanis because of which ISI/MI threatened me http://j.mp/mptXhs #Afghanistan
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
#Haqqanis are protecting foreign fighters from #Pakistan #Uzbekistan #Chechnya #Turkey and #MiddleEastern countries into #Afghanistan
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akchishti
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#Egyptians asked for ISI help in Pehswer to arrest Khadr.#ISI contacted the #Taliban, who sent a diplomatic car to pick up Ahmed Said Khadr.
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akchishti
akchishti akchishti
#Zawahiri bombed #Egyptian Embassy in #Islamabad in 95.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 02 Aug 2011 06:42

GETTING BIN LADEN: What happened that night in Abbottabad

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Aug 2011 10:02

Bin Laden's death: ‘One on chest...Second on head’

The SEALs also found an archive of digital p@rn@graphy.

"We find it on all these guys, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, or Afghanistan," the special-operations officer said.

They all want a fore taste of what they imagine is waiting for them.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2011 19:57

Why not use the methodolgy of this link to mind map the New Yorker article on Abortabad raid?

AdityaM wrote:26/11 attack mindmap

The text is so involved that one loses the details.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 02 Aug 2011 20:18

chetak wrote:They all want a fore taste of what they imagine is waiting for them.

Not necessarily. It is just that in their worldview..kaffir women is for pleasure. It is ok to have pron of kaffir women. It is the muslima that has the honor and needs to apply islamic laws blah blah. Recall Mohd Atta et al having a Vegas trip and lap dances etc.

These people really look at kaffirs as a different species to be killed or used, like how humans use animals and tend to have a different set of moral values.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 01:01

ramana wrote:Why not use the methodolgy of this link to mind map the New Yorker article on Abortabad raid?

AdityaM wrote:26/11 attack mindmap
The text is so involved that one loses the details.

Awesome. it means real contribution to BR though

will try to do something

on second thought, why cant AdityaM do this too

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 01:59

according to a recent report in the Guardian, a physician working for the agency conducted an immunization drive in Abbottabad, in the hope of acquiring DNA samples from bin Laden’s children.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1TuLiahSU

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 02:03

We need something like this to map entire Uttarapatha.

National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency showed that there was standing water in the vicinity, suggesting that the compound sat in a flood basin. The water table was probably just below the surface, making tunnels highly unlikely

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1TuMnLcwK

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Aug 2011 22:05

Afghanistan Helicopter Crash: More Than 20 Navy SEAL Team 6 Members Killed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/0 ... 20147.html

WASHINGTON -- The Associated Press has learned that more than 20 Navy SEALs from the unit that killed Osama bin Laden were among those lost in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.