Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 18 Jun 2011 17:12

Indian ship brushing PNS Babar incorrect claim: Navy

NEW DELHI: The Navy today dismissed Pakistan's allegation that an Indian warship had brushed PNS Babar escorting MV Suez, a merchant vessel released by Somali pirates, saying the "reports of aggression" are "incorrect and based on misinformation".

"Reports of aggression by INS Godavari are incorrect and based on misinformation," a Navy official said here.

The reaction came after Pakistan yesterday lodged a protest with India over the alleged incident in which Indian warship INS Godavari was said to have brushed with a Pakistani frigate escorting MV Suez, an Egyptian-owned ship.

As usual paki liars acting out like local tapori too high on booze and no marbles, claiming imaginary brush to shore up non-existing H&D.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Jun 2011 17:32

anupmisra wrote:
Altair wrote:The INS Godavari and PNS Babur incident is the testament to the inferiority complex faced by Pakistan and its armed forces.
See, this is where I differ from most opinions because I do not see this an inferiority issue. No sir. The pakis consider '65, '71' and Kargil as victories. Only because they survived and and are still there. They will consider this "warships brushing each other episode" as victory too. Here's why. When lowly pakis brush against us, they think of themselves as David and us as Goliath, and their media portrays its as standing up to the super power (and living to tell the tale like a lowly village dog). In the recent warships issue, the pakis see it as a "victory" of having run up against a vastly superior navy (and that too in international blue waters) and come out unscathed. Watch them now call their navy as "blue water navy". Besides, there's a huge sense of relief, too. Their vintage-era aluminum hulled warship did not sink. Otherwise, there would have been a glut of aluminum kitchen utensils in the lawhori jumma market next year.

misra saab
Dr.Shiv can perhaps give you a more piskological answer to your question but my take is that Pakis have a hugely inflated sense of self pity which arises from their huge inferiority complex. Deep down they know they lack the skills necessary to compete against bania India and get frustrated and irritated. In a chankian way we do not even kill them, we do not even consider them a worthy adversary. This really hurts them immensely. To cover up this H&D loss they make up these fairy tales of victories. Its a state of mind where mind overwrites the fear with fiction.
Tell me sir how can one have a victory when 90,000 TFTA soldiers surrender to a kafir women and a sardar in machlee desh?? tauba tauba!

It is a typical response of a person who has an extreme case of inferiority complex. They declare they actually won but if it is public knowledge that they lost,they immediately blame that
1. The opponent cheated but we still managed a draw
2. The opponent actually lost
3. The game never took place

They would eat their own $hit before they even acknowledge India is a second rate power let alone a super power and publicly acknowledge that India has a superior navy.
My 0.02 paise
Altair

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 18 Jun 2011 17:48

shiv wrote:
Nandu wrote:120 militants storm police checkpost in Peshawar.

http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/06/18/1461s643422.htm

I have a pooch. Sorry for using benis language but it is most appropriate here. It's like this. PNS Mehran, right in the middle of Karachi was attacked and after 17 hours they had no idea whether there were 4 attackers or 15. How come, in an outpost near Peshawar there is some accountant sitting with a notepad managing to keep his head up with all the firing going on, counting the number of attackers and is able to say "Hey it's 120 attackers today, down 40% from last week". I smell a "gimmedollah" scam.

Shivji use your piskology hat for the answer. Why 120 why not 110 or 150? think... The answer is Battle of Longewala. Where 120 men from IA beat the cr@p out of them, its since then that every time they lose to enemy they say it was because they were attacked by 120. Here is how it works out in pindi HQ.

Sardar Jernail: Kitne aadmi the
Sipahi Abdul: 120 sarkar
Sardar Jernail: Aur tum kitne the
Sipahi Abdul: Ladai se pehle poori tank regiment, ladai ke baad sab bhag gaye ya mar gaye
Sardar Jernail: thik hai kafir 120 the isiliye maaf kiya, aab pakhana break bring ISPR lets draft a victory press release

120 looks to be the alter ego of 72. Where 72 makes abduls chest fill with joy, 120 gives him pain in bowels

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Jun 2011 18:05

Hey paki-lurkers, here's a feel good article for you.

Pa'astan is the "bestest" in "everything"
Local access to local economy. All is well. So, where's the problem?

Pakistan has a viable economy

She has the sixth largest population of the world.

Pakistan’s human resource is one of the best.

Moreover, Pakistani workers and managers are in demand all over the world.

Entrepreneurs too don’t lag behind.

The result is that, in the last 62 years of its existence, Pakistan has had an average GDP growth of about five percent – not bad at all!

Pakistan’s agriculture too is one of the best in the world.

Before partition, the part now comprising Pakistan fed the entire Indian sub-continent.

Pakistan is blessed with mines

Presently, the county has one of the highest foreign exchange reserves – US$17.5 billion.

The country has the ever highest remittances

The country has surplus current accounts.

Exports are expected to be the highest ever, reaching about US$25 billion.

Wait, don't go away, dear paki-lurker. Theres more. While pa'astan is the "best", others are the "worst" (excuse my incorrect grammar).

However, the reality is that Pakistan is somehow obsessed with liberalisation, deregularisation, and privatisation – the mantra of the developed world and US-influenced academics.

There are closed markets, such as the European Union and Nafta, to name a few, which restrict free trade.

The US itself becomes a closed market whenever there is an excess of imports through implementation of tariff protection, to say the least.

So, what must you do, dear paki lurker?

India!!!

on the other hand, is a classic example for Pakistan to follow. Since the time of Nehru, the policy has been that whatever is produced in India cannot be imported through imposition of tariff or non-tariff barriers. It was only when India’s economy became globally competitive and produced export champions that Manmohan Singh, as finance minister, started opening up the economy to the world. ... – for Pakistan to follow.

What!! India, as a role model? Sacrilege. In case you are wondering, here's the writer's contact information: The writer is the founder/chairman of the Atlas group of companies.
Email: [email protected], Website: http://www.atlas.com.pk. Jeeeehaaaaad!

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 18:18

anupmisra wrote:
Altair wrote:The INS Godavari and PNS Babur incident is the testament to the inferiority complex faced by Pakistan and its armed forces.
See, this is where I differ from most opinions because I do not see this an inferiority issue. No sir. The pakis consider '65, '71' and Kargil as victories. Only because they survived and and are still there. They will consider this "warships brushing each other episode" as victory too. Here's why. When lowly pakis brush against us, they think of themselves as David and us as Goliath, and their media portrays its as standing up to the super power (and living to tell the tale like a lowly village dog). In the recent warships issue, the pakis see it as a "victory" of having run up against a vastly superior navy (and that too in international blue waters) and come out unscathed. Watch them now call their navy as "blue water navy". Besides, there's a huge sense of relief, too. Their vintage-era aluminum hulled warship did not sink. Otherwise, there would have been a glut of aluminum kitchen utensils in the lawhori jumma market next year.

Not true at all. until few years ago when media in pakistan wasnt free local and uneducated people used to think that way. pakistan army had baghdad bobs sitting on every position of PTV. but even then the upper class, politicians and armed forces knew.
some zia's educated generation still think that way and those are the ones who post at deaf and dumb type of forums.
i guess you are reading a lot of those.

but after the media is free their channels are fixing the history and all the local abduls are being told the truth.
whatever paki locals think doesn't matter, their army, their politicians and bureaucracy always knew and still they know what actually happened at those wars. I have talked to pak army men who were involved in kargil war and they told me how their govt spread misinformation and musharraf sold them out and how they lost.
there is no superiority complex in them, well may be aginst afghanistan but not against India.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Jun 2011 18:57

vdutta wrote:i guess you are reading a lot of those....but after the media is free their channels are fixing the history and all the local abduls are being told the truth......
there is no superiority complex in them, well may be aginst afghanistan but not against India.

Seriously Vdutta?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2011 19:03

anupmisra wrote:Hey paki-lurkers, here's a feel good article for you.

Pa'astan is the "bestest" in "everything"

Pakistan’s human resource is one of the best.

Very true. this statement is un contestable.

They all have explosive potential being sparky and bright chaps. Smoking hot!!

They always go out with a bang.

Always spread bright light (and burning flesh) in keeping with their glowing personalities. Loud and boisterous, entertaining one and all in their vicinity. People are always excited to see them world wide, specially security personnel.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 18 Jun 2011 19:13

Quotable quotes from a learned paki. Media should not criticise intelligence agencies: Malik

Sindh Rangers and their former DG had played a vital role in controlling target killing in Karachi and the country’s forces were doing a good job.

...added that the media should not criticise intelligence agencies.

...if the ISI and other intelligence agencies did not exist, than there would even more acts of terrorism.

AoA! Malik has spoken. You can take this to the bank. IMF, that is.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 18 Jun 2011 20:08

Pakistan’s human resource is one of the best.

Pakistan is blessed with mines

The problem is that Pakistan tries to mine its human resources.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 18 Jun 2011 20:11

http://www.economist.com/node/18836800? ... llymyenemy

Pakistan and America
My ally, my enemy
Pakistan arrests those who helped get Osama bin Laden
Jun 16th 2011 | ISLAMABAD | from the print edition

WHEN Islamabad’s ambassador to Washington, Husain Haqqani, lectured army officers last month at Pakistan’s National Defence University, he asked the assembled colonels whom they regarded as the greatest enemy. A third of them named America—with which Pakistan supposedly has a military alliance.

It would have been a no-brainer as to what the remainder 2/3 said.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 20:17

anupmisra wrote:
vdutta wrote:i guess you are reading a lot of those....but after the media is free their channels are fixing the history and all the local abduls are being told the truth......
there is no superiority complex in them, well may be aginst afghanistan but not against India.
Seriously Vdutta?

Well if you want me to post videos to prove my point then i can do that too.
5 years ago no media outlet was free to say anything but now the likes of najam sethi, hasan nisar, nazir naji, moeed pirzada, karman shafi, shakir hussain etc are saying the truth.
slowely but surely common people are getting the point, but their army always had the point.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 18 Jun 2011 20:56

Another satirical article in Foreign Policy magazine, telling us why US supports Pak, but not Greece with aid.
If Greece had nukes, they would be bailed out by now

The problem isn't the Greek finance ministry. The problem isn't the Greek legislature. The problem isn't the Europeans who are being dragged kicking and screaming toward helping Greece. The problem isn't even Goldman Sachs and the other banks who lent Greece more money than they could afford and even helped them hide a bunch of the financings off the books.

Nope, the problem is Greek nuclear scientists and radical terror groups affiliated with the Greek intelligence services -- or rather, the lack thereof.

Because if Greece had nuclear weapons and crazed terrorists hiding in every luxury housing development, you can bet we wouldn't be going through this long drawn-out process of figuring out whether the country was going to default or not.

We know this because of Pakistan. Pakistan is an absolute financial basket case. It is in many respects in as bad a shape as Greece -- and in some it is even much worse off. But do you hear anyone talking about Pakistan's financial problems? Heck no.

The problem with Greece is that if the economy collapsed, if the government collapsed, if the country descended into chaos, no one is worried that a nuclear catastrophe would follow. An ouzo-induced hangover maybe -- which can be a pretty horrific thing -- but it's the specter of a mushroom cloud that really is the attention grabber.

But, that's all speculation. What we know for sure is this: If there were a centrifuge or a hundred under the Parthenon, the Greek government would right now be sitting on piles of cash and not squirming, knowing that their fate depends on the famously warm hearts and generosity of the German people (among others).

http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts ... out_by_now

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 18 Jun 2011 21:01

vdutta wrote:I have talked to pak army men who were involved in kargil war and they told me how their govt spread misinformation and musharraf sold them out and how they lost.
there is no superiority complex in them, well may be aginst afghanistan but not against India.

I have a similar reference from a friend who was posted in a middle-east country in mid 70s. He met a couple of pakjabi ex-soldiers (non-officers). Having left Pakjab in 47 at around the age of 15, our man could present himself as one of those. It was quite pally environment and liquor flowed. At one stage one of the Pakjabi said "65 te pher wi theek si par 71 wich ne ohna ne saddi tatti kadd ditti" (65 was somewhat fine but they beat the shit out of us in 71)

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jun 2011 21:07

vdutta wrote:
Well if you want me to post videos to prove my point then i can do that too.
5 years ago no media outlet was free to say anything but now the likes of najam sethi, hasan nisar, nazir naji, moeed pirzada, karman shafi, shakir hussain etc are saying the truth.
slowely but surely common people are getting the point, but their army always had the point.

vdutta - I am not convinced. i will look at the videos. Please post them . There are videos that tell the truth but there is still no overall indicator to me that what you say has happened to a great extent. Things that have been done over 30 years will not change with 5 years of so called free media. I have been following this stuff for a decade now and every indicator says that no such enlightenment is coming. A number of Pakistani articles deal with the content of Pakistan TV and I have read none that match your view.

The topic is a huge one. i am willing to change my view if I see enough indicators. I have not seen those indicators despite following Bakis closely for a while. Pakistan has several dozen private channels. Most are Urdu. Only one was English when I last checked (a few months ago). All reports of content in those channels goes against what you are saying.

Apart from that TV reaches about 80-90 million Pakis which is less than half the population.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Jun 2011 21:08

kenop wrote:At one stage one of the Pakjabi said "65 te pher wi theek si par 71 wich ne ohna ne saddi tatti kadd ditti" (65 was somewhat fine but they beat the shit out of us in 71)

These days they sh*t red bricks, even when we say that Pakistani stability is in India's interest!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Jun 2011 21:18

kenop wrote:
vdutta wrote:I have talked to pak army men who were involved in kargil war and they told me how their govt spread misinformation and musharraf sold them out and how they lost.
there is no superiority complex in them, well may be aginst afghanistan but not against India.
I have a similar reference from a friend who was posted in a middle-east country in mid 70s. He met a couple of pakjabi ex-soldiers (non-officers). Having left Pakjab in 47 at around the age of 15, our man could present himself as one of those. It was quite pally environment and liquor flowed. At one stage one of the Pakjabi said "65 te pher wi theek si par 71 wich ne ohna ne saddi tatti kadd ditti" (65 was somewhat fine but they beat the shit out of us in 71)

The general feedback I have got is that Pakistanis consider 1965 as a Pakistan victory. No Paki will admit that Pakistan started the hostilities with Op Gibraltar and operation Grand Slam. For then the war started when India opened a front in Pakjab. 1971 was Indian victory by perfidy - taking advantage of Paki civil disturbances. Kargil is seen as a Pakistani victory, Hardly any mango Abdul sees Kargil as a Paki defeat. 1947-8 was a definite but incomplete Paki victory.

Pakis have been lied to for years and while some sensible Pakis have spoken the truth time and again there is little evidence that the massively watched channels (Urdu) are telling the truth in any way or that minds are changing. I have seen a superb Paki English TV program being honest. But English in Pakistan is for a small crowd.

saip · Post by **saip** » 18 Jun 2011 21:30

Few weeks ago even Xerox Khan wrote 'our history books say we won in 1965, 1999 even though we lost' . Well if a 'hero' like that admits it may be there is just a little hope for pakis yet.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 18 Jun 2011 21:46

Latest twist - Pakistan says all four dead attackers in PNS Mehran were 'anglo saxons'. The DNA samples are being sent to Uncle Sam for identification.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 22:00

shiv wrote:
vdutta wrote:
Well if you want me to post videos to prove my point then i can do that too.
5 years ago no media outlet was free to say anything but now the likes of najam sethi, hasan nisar, nazir naji, moeed pirzada, karman shafi, shakir hussain etc are saying the truth.
slowely but surely common people are getting the point, but their army always had the point.
vdutta - I am not convinced. i will look at the videos. Please post them . There are videos that tell the truth but there is still no overall indicator to me that what you say has happened to a great extent. Things that have been done over 30 years will not change with 5 years of so called free media. I have been following this stuff for a decade now and every indicator says that no such enlightenment is coming. A number of Pakistani articles deal with the content of Pakistan TV and I have read none that match your view.

The topic is a huge one. i am willing to change my view if I see enough indicators. I have not seen those indicators despite following Bakis closely for a while. Pakistan has several dozen private channels. Most are Urdu. Only one was English when I last checked (a few months ago). All reports of content in those channels goes against what you are saying.

Apart from that TV reaches about 80-90 million Pakis which is less than half the population.

Actually i must give devil its due. i think some people in their media speak such a bitter truth without fear that it only makes me admire them. i wish we had those kind of people too.
having said that and coming back to the point , i have been following paki news and their media for a very long time. i even go to the conferences and debates whenver it happens close to me. i have talked to najam sethi, rashid ahmed etc in person and thats how i make my opinion.
common dumb paki may not know the real history and follow zia taught leassons or burger kids like PDf may be high on wet dreams of their fathers but the people who matter such as their army, politicians, media people etc all know and accept the truth.
on insession program with naseem zehra even AQ khan said that india never attacked pakistan first and pakistan lost every single war.
i will post the videos as i find them.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 22:24

Recently Nawaz sharif's party PML N has intensified attacks on Pak Fauj. here is what one of their said on national television

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkYFl1NL5M

Asghar Khan - former Air Chief Marshall of Pakistan Air Force. Look this guy up there are many videos from him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rGVpiWH-QI

This is 3 part series. look up rest of them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98h0Bfhs0mE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFpB0PSnoz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAlTqrfRa4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQzJxcZw ... age#t=228s

i will post more as i find them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxHOMzP29nA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwWC8serI4w

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 18 Jun 2011 22:29

vdutta wrote:Actually i must give devil its due. i think some people in their media speak such a bitter truth without fear that it only makes me admire them. i wish we had those kind of people too..

Vdutta , What is this suppose to mean ? care to explain..
Are you wishing for animals like Pakis in India...

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 18 Jun 2011 22:37

>> i wish we had those kind of people too..
that's a needless self goal IMO, we have no dearth of self-critical people. in fact we might just have too many !

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 22:46

^^ Guys i am just being honest here. lets not become what we despise most i.e. a pdfer. there is a difference between us and them. i have no shame in giving credit where it is due even if it means giving credit to an enemy.

dont over read my posts though. i am not admiring that country or its establishment or the people who are nuisance to us.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Jun 2011 23:16

To give the Devil his 'due' or 'credit' to the enemy is to open up your bank balance for plunder. The next time they will take it as their right. Stalin used to call such people 'useful idiots'.

Sethi, Zehra et al are perfectly reasonable one on one going the extra mile to be nice to Indians just so we don't all think they are evil. But, they are all united in their hate of India and Indians. Salman Taseer to whom the Dilliwalas was a 'liberal' hated Hindus and Indians --just read his son's book.

Keep in mind JN Dixit's retelling of the "Hindustani Kutta" incident. Once you wound the beast, be prepared to kill it else..

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 18 Jun 2011 23:20

Vdutta you are making the mistake of thinking that this is brave criticism to change the policy of the nation. Indians always make this mistake of mistaking smoke for fires. Just because they bloviate in public does not mean they are actually criticizing the country for what it is.

If you notice carefully these are all appeals to the military to 'rethink' their position. This is not aimed at the mango Abdul. You walk on any 'native' street in TSP and proclaim that TSP lost in 1965, even a shred of you will not be seen after that.

These brave worthies are unable to say which way these policies should be 'changed' though they know what needs to be done.

Also it is one thing to admit defeat in your battle. It is another to admit the defeat of your nation & ideology. From their point of view they live to attack India another day, all these worthies want their 'mulk' to be stronger before they do that. That's all. No great u-turn in world views. Their is no hope for their 'mulk' unless they admit defeat and become a normal nation. You know one where the civilian leaders can fire the entire top military brass and replace them with potted plants if they so felt like it. One where a organization such as LeT or JeM is banned outright and hounded out of existence. None of of these 'brave' fellows have the courage to push that point of view.

vdutta · Post by **vdutta** » 18 Jun 2011 23:33

you guys are again over reading my posts. my point is may be average paki doesnt know the truth but the people who matter know the reality and slowly common men is also getting aware of it.
my other point is a section of their media is going back and trying to fix the history and revealing the stuff to pakistanis which we already knew.

i have no love lost for pakistan if they are going down the drain. i like their leftists as they tell them on their face what we wanted to say for ages.
i hope you guys get my point.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 18 Jun 2011 23:45

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/world ... &ref=world
Pakistani Army Denies Sharing U.S. Report With Bomb Makers
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 17, 2011
"ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — Pakistan’s Army on Friday disputed reports that its security forces had tipped off insurgents at bomb-making factories after receiving intelligence about the sites from the United States.The army called the assertions of collusion with militants “totally false and malicious.” ........"
So what else is new?
Gautam

disha · Post by **disha** » 18 Jun 2011 23:56

vdutta wrote:you guys are again over reading my posts. my point is may be average paki doesnt know the truth but the people who matter know the reality and slowly common men is also getting aware of it.
my other point is a section of their media is going back and trying to fix the history and revealing the stuff to pakistanis which we already knew.

i have no love lost for pakistan if they are going down the drain. i like their leftists as they tell them on their face what we wanted to say for ages.
i hope you guys get my point.

Vdutta, the problem is not with people who know reality (and tell the truth)., the problem is with the same people who know the reality but do not apologize or show nary a sign of remorse! The only way to fix history is not just attest the facts but also show remorse and apologize. Otherwise history will repeat itself.

The knowledgeable bakis are so consumed with H&D, that even if they acknowledge the truth, it is the SDRE bad yindoos who somehow won. What is not acknowledged that their lunacy is the causative factors.

I have a suggestion., ask in those baki circles you are so proud off that if they have any remorse and without that remorse are they no different from murtad baki soovars and see the reaction.

Also ask them how they view china and are they going to welcome them? And what happens if millions of chineese come into bakiland and insist on eating pigs? See their reaction then. Till then, neither their "leftists" who utter the "truth" are brave nor are human enough to be admired leave alone followed.

disha · Post by **disha** » 19 Jun 2011 00:03

Theo_Fidel wrote:Also it is one thing to admit defeat in your battle. It is another to admit the defeat of your nation & ideology. From their point of view they live to attack India another day, all these worthies want their 'mulk' to be stronger before they do that. That's all. No great u-turn in world views. Their is no hope for their 'mulk' unless they admit defeat and become a normal nation. You know one where the civilian leaders can fire the entire top military brass and replace them with potted plants if they so felt like it. One where a organization such as LeT or JeM is banned outright and hounded out of existence. None of of these 'brave' fellows have the courage to push that point of view.

Thank you Theoji. The bolded portion above is one sign of remorse. The other is to fix their history and admit that they are part of indic civilization and the third is to separate their religion from state craft and push it into a private sphere. Fourth will be to cast away arabic and embrace punjabi, sindhi, brahui, seraiki, kashmiri, hindi as their language. Till then there is no hope for nutty nation.

rajsunder · Post by **rajsunder** » 19 Jun 2011 00:07

vdutta wrote:^^ Guys i am just being honest here. lets not become what we despise most i.e. a pdfer. there is a difference between us and them. i have no shame in giving credit where it is due even if it means giving credit to an enemy.

dont over read my posts though. i am not admiring that country or its establishment or the people who are nuisance to us.

Hasan nissar "the so called intellectual" not willing to accept that the suicide bombers are bakis

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2011 00:13

vdutta wrote:^^ Guys i am just being honest here. lets not become what we despise most i.e. a pdfer. there is a difference between us and them. i have no shame in giving credit where it is due even if it means giving credit to an enemy. dont over read my posts though. i am not admiring that country or its establishment or the people who are nuisance to us.

Vdutta, give credit to specific people but do not generalize as you have done. A handful of English speaking columnists do not make the entire paki media, which is what you have claimed several posts earlier. What would you guess is the estimated audience size that watches Sethi and his types? Besides, I would love to see you back up your claim that their history has being rewritten to accept their loss in '65, '75 and Kargil.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2011 00:21

vdutta wrote:you guys are again over reading my posts. my point is may be average paki doesnt know the truth but the people who matter know the reality and slowly common men is also getting aware of it. my other point is a section of their media is going back and trying to fix the history and revealing the stuff to pakistanis which we already knew. i have no love lost for pakistan if they are going down the drain. i like their leftists as they tell them on their face what we wanted to say for ages.
i hope you guys get my point.

Cant speak for others but I "get your point", and your point is that "their leftists have seen the light". Although you have cited a few names, these guys are far from being credible. Follow their history of spewing vile. You may have picked a few choice videos where the leftists have accepted the obvious but there are other videos where your same new found friends (the same leftists) have gone to lengths to put down India and the west. Its the paki so called liberal, leftist elite that refuse to see the writing on the wall. Forget the right wing whackos, which is another animal.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Jun 2011 00:24

vdutta is the perfect example of an argumentative Indian, useless doling out of utopian opinions that have no bearing on national interests.

Raja Bose · Post by **Raja Bose** » 19 Jun 2011 00:56

A_Gupta wrote:
Pakistan’s human resource is one of the best.

Pakistan is blessed with mines
The problem is that Pakistan tries to mine its human resources.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Jun 2011 01:06

Vdutta, I think your throw away line of "..i wish we had those kind of people too..." triggered most of this. You might want to reconsider it. Indian media is responsible media despite some DDM. Their aim is to report and comment on India & Indian interests not the strategic interests of the army. There is a world of difference between the two.

Are there people to admire inside TSP. Yes, there are. SS Shehzad for one. Or even in patches Asma Jehangir. Kamran Shahfi sometimes. I even confess a odd admiration for the Cowasjee character. Note that these are the people being carefully selected and eliminated over time. Your confusion over this is not new. Massa has a lot of trouble over who is real and who is not in TSP all the time. It is impossible to judge this with words only their long term actions and response to situations can reveal their true nature.

None of these worthies qualifies for any respect. Certainly not Sethi.

P.S. Ignore CRS. He appears to be in a foul mood today.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jun 2011 01:39

AP sources: Pakistanis tip off militants again

WASHINGTON — US officials say Pakistan has apparently tipped off militants at two more bomb-building factories in its tribal areas. The officials say that allowed the militants to flee after U.S. intelligence shared the locations with the Pakistani government.

One U.S. official said this was intended to give Pakistan another chance to build trust after the U.S. raid on May 2 that killed Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad.

The latest incident brings to a total of four bomb-making sites the U.S. has shared with Pakistan, only to have the terrorist suspects flee before the Pakistani military arrived much later.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 19 Jun 2011 01:58

Calls for jihad against Mohajirs raised from Orangi: MQM

“The extremists have been making announcements from mosques in Pashto, calling for ‘jihad’ against the Mohajirs [Urdu-speaking people] in Orangi Town and Qasba Colony,” said the MQM’s Qasim Ali Raza.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Jun 2011 02:16

Prem wrote:Look at the remark. What made him think that Indian cant adopt the same attitude?

Thomas Allen Foster · Top Commenter · Boulder, Colorado
Influencing either Pakistan or India is damn near impossible. They understand what's at stake in the region far better than we do. And they will act in their interests regardless of our desires. Rather than try to change their behavior, we should decide which country's behavior is more to our liking and shift towards that country. And yes, that means more cooperation with India and less with Pakistan. But that cooperation will only happen when our interests overlap. With India, we could easily see more naval cooperation in the Indian Ocean to combat piracy. But there will be no cooperation at all on Kashmir

Lot of this kind of statement is based on assumption that they know India. They think Indians are some new people who are not aware of the games nations play. They also are not aware of the British presence inside India for more than 200 years and those memories are still with the people for generations. Few americans were asking such questions recently to me about English language.
India has not been part of the American policy for a long time and hence it is easy for Indians to adjust with non cooperation with american policy

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Jun 2011 02:18

SSridhar wrote:
A_Gupta wrote: He says just by coincidence, many of the leading Pakistan experts in the Obama administration are leaving office in the next few months.
Let them go. At least, the new crop may bring fresher ideas. It can'y get any worse (for India) than what it already is.

THis change in the US is significant since these are the pre 911 people who made sure that the relationship was intact during the phase of Pak required cooperation. Now they are working on a confrontation/non cooperation policy wrt Pak

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 19 Jun 2011 03:52

Rajiv Lather wrote:Latest twist - Pakistan says all four dead attackers in PNS Mehran were 'anglo saxons'. The DNA samples are being sent to Uncle Sam for identification.

Actually, the pakis are claiming that these attackers were Anglo-Indians!! Anglo-Indian involved in PNS Mehran attack: DNA report. DNA report!! Per pakis, DNA can now be used to tell you if the donor was an Indian and an Anglo.

According to DNA test, all the attackers were Anglo-Indian and had a close relation with each other.