Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jun 2011 01:50

ranjbe wrote:Hillary told Senate committee today:
["When it comes to our military aid, we are not prepared to continue providing that at the pace we were providing it unless and until we see some steps taken," Clinton told a Senate committee

Are they gonna stop delivering new /refurbished F16s/Onions and BVR Missiles?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 24 Jun 2011 02:14

In TSP its always pindi chana.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 24 Jun 2011 02:29

India-Pak may have relaxed visa regime soon

NEW DELHI: India and Pakistan will soon have a relaxed visa regime that will facilitate easier travel for journalists, businessmen, children and senior citizens of both the countries.
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India has proposed relaxed norms for issuance of visas to journalists, businessmen, children (below the age of 12 years) and senior citizens (above 60 years) and patients travelling for medical treatment.

Under the proposal, these visas will not be city- specific and visa holders will be allowed to travel across the country, the official said.

New Delhi has proposed that anyone travelling to India with a valid visa who wants to travel again within a span of two years should be exempted from the time-consuming security background checks process which is done from here.

"We are positive on liberalising the visa regime with Pakistan to facilitate greater people-to-people contacts between the two nations," the official said.

New Delhi is also in favour of abolishing the present policy of "port of entry and exit has to be same" and allowing the travellers to enter and exit the respective country through their chosen ports.
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putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 24 Jun 2011 02:33

India appears to have diluted its stand on 26/11 : Advani

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...Speaking at a party rally here, senior BJP leader L K Advani alleged that Pakistan has not taken "a single credible step" to show that it is serious about acting against the masterminds and perpetrators of the 26/11 Mumbai carnage.

He maintained that all available evidence shows that elements within the Pakistani ruling establishment were involved in planning and executing these terrorist attacks.

"Now, suddenly, the Indian government has changed its stance for the next round of foreign secretary-level talks between the two countries. Rather than remaining firm in its demand for a speedy and credible trial in the Mumbai attacks, all that the government wants from Pakistan is 'satisfactory closure' of the case," Advani said.

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putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 24 Jun 2011 02:39

Pakistan issues over 60 visas to CIA officials

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"Under the new arrangement, the CIA has accepted Islamabad's demand that all intelligence postings in the country should be fully disclosed, and shared with the Pakistani government," the daily Dawn quoted sources as saying.

"Pakistan agreed to issue the visas only after an understanding on full disclosures."

A diplomatic source said: "Now the ISI will be fully aware of who is doing what and where he is posted at."
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US will rely on Afghanistan to tackle Pak

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WASHINGTON: The US will be relying on Afghanistan's help to tackle threats emerging from Pakistan , said the New York Times following President Barack Obama's announement on troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.

A news analysis in the New York Times said that though the president could not say so directly, "one of the constraints on America's retreat from a hard and bloody decade is the recognition that, more than ever, the United States will be relying on Afghanistan's help to deal with the threats emerging from Pakistan".
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An official said the administration's primary focus now was "a much larger, and more dangerous, presence of insurgents remaining in Pakistan".
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anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Jun 2011 02:44

Remember that MV Suez issue where we all predicted the pakis (the ever predictable) would spin this into a H&D saving exercise? Well, their dirty laundry is in spin cycle and trumpets are being sounded (blown?) from every rampart.

Pakistan welcomes hostages freed by Somali pirates
In every thriller, there's a bad guy (the Somalians) and the good guy (the pakis). Who cares and remembers if the hostages had been released well before the paki naval ship heroically arrived. Read on... and note the bolded parts for shameless promotion (with cynicism)

Pakistan on Thursday gave an emotional welcome to a group of Egyptian and South Asian crew held hostage for 10 months by Somali pirates who released them after payment of $2.1 million ransom.

Pakistan helped Egypt to secure the release of the Egyptian-registered boat Suez, which docked in Oman last week after the ordeal which began in August 2010.

“Our navy ship PNS Zulfiqar has reached Karachi port along with the 22 crew members of the Egyptian boat,” said Pakistan navy spokesman Mohammad Kamran.

“We are welcoming them warmly and will keep the foreigners as our guests,” he said. The hostages received a heroes’ welcome in Karachi, Pakistan’s biggest city, amid tears and joy

If you are not ready to puke yet, read on for more stomach churning from the pakiland of incredibility.

“We had lost all hope. It is certainly a second life for us,”

“I am proud to be the daughter of a brave man. He showed immense courage to live in the difficult circumstances and in the end he made it possible to remain alive and also ensure his crew’s safety,”

All hail the new paki hero.

Pakistani officials said they paid $2.1 million to secure the release of the hostages.

“We utilised all means including our armed forces to ensure that all the victims, our Indian, Egyptian and Sri Lankan brothers, reach home safely,”

Piracy has surged in recent years off Somalia, a lawless, war-torn country that sits alongside one of the world’s most important shipping routes.

Man! I need fresh air, pepto-bismol and gas-x after this. Pa'astan is now the bulwark (nay, the bastion) for the righteous and what's good about this world.

Rajiv Lather · Post by **Rajiv Lather** » 24 Jun 2011 02:52

This major is probably the same who as serving ADC, helped the terrorists get a consignment of night-vision goggles and guns by having it cleared through customs at Islamabad airport. This consignment was supposedly brought from China and N Korea by the two (so called retired) majors brothers mentioned in SSS's book.

He was probably killed or committed suicide when the fact came to light in the recently published book.

BijuShet wrote:from "The News" (posting in full).
Musharaf former ADC body found from house
Updated 1 hour ago
ISLAMABAD: Dead body of Maj. (Retd.) Tanvir Ahmed, former ADC of Ex-president Pervez Musharraf, was found from his residence on Thursday, Geo News reported.

According to police, Maj (Retd.) Tanvir’s body was recovered from his residence in F-11 area of Islambad.

The officials said that Maj. (Retd.) Tanvir Ahmed had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.
Case of black lentils or just another day in TSP?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 24 Jun 2011 02:58

The officials said that Maj. (Retd.) Tanvir Ahmed had committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.

Case of black lentils or just another day in TSP?

The whole story is a load of bull

I am yet to hear of a PAwki who died after being shot in the head.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2011 03:03

Some sad news for jalebi lovers. Marvi will no longer be serving the mango people of TSP.

Marvi Memon resigns from NA, PML-Q

ISLAMABAD: Marvi Memon has resigned from her seat in the National Assembly and from the PML-Q, Geo News reported.
Speaking to the media, Memon said that she took the decision in protest of the PML-Q joining the government and in opposition of the budget which was against the aspirations of the people.

She added that current government was working against the people of Pakistan and the PML-Q leaders did not live up to the voters by leaving the opposition and joining the government.

“The PML-Q did not correct the disastrous course of the government” she said. The statement read out by Marvi Memon listed the government as being inadequate, not serving the people, not responding to natural disasters, not protecting the country’s sovereignty and depriving people of basic human rights.

Memon added that under these circumstances she could no longer be a member of the National Assembly and that she would not take back her resignations under any circumstance. She however did say that her struggle for justice would continue on the streets and in courts.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2011 03:06

If you heard all those vaccum blasts and gas explosions in TSP here is where it came from.

Rs2.27 bn SNGPL gas stolen this year

KARACHI: Gas worth Rs2.27 billion was stolen from the system of SNGPL in the current fiscal year during July to April, Geo News reported Thursday.

According to documents obtained by Geo News, the industrial consumers topped the list with the theft of Rs1.3 billion worth of gas while commercial consumers stole gas worth Rs580 million.

The CNG consumers got away with gas valuing Rs500 million while the domestic consumers gobbled up gas worth Rs100 million.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2011 03:57

Published on Jun 24, 2011
By Azizullah Khan
Fantasies about Pak-China friendship: Daily Times

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011/06/24/story_24-6-2011_pg3_5

Now to Pakistan’s interests in China and the fantasies attached to it. Pakistan’s main interest in China is regarding its enmity with India. Having no consideration of China’s relations with India, Pakistanis believe that, if ever India threatens Pakistan, China will immediately go to war against India and that there will be a regional war.

China’s relations with the external world are very complex. “It is less country-oriented and more multilateral and issue-oriented,” writes Wang Jisi, Dean of the School of International Relations Studies at Peking University in Beijing. China supports the West’s stand over Iran’s nuclear programme but, at the same time, it is a key importer of Iran’s oil. Pakistanis know that China has a border dispute with India but they do not know that China is also India’s largest trading partner. By 2015, their trade will go up to $ 100 billion from $ 60 billion in 2010. Pakistan’s trade with China is targeted to go up to $ 18 billion by 2015 from $ 7 billion in 2009.

Pakistan wants to leverage China against India to not only contain Indian influence in the region but also to lessen its pressure on it. But then there is no reason for China to do that. China does not want to unduly antagonise India and push it into the US’s lap. A stable and prosperous India is more attractive to China than an instable and downward-drifting Pakistan. So, is there any reason for us to be mad about China and blind about our failures? China is our best friend and, of course, we should celebrate our friendship with it but we should not forget that it would only remain friends with us as long as its interests are served.

China’s interests are best served in a stable and peaceful Pakistan that is friendly with neighbouring states, especially Afghanistan. China fears that Islamic fundamentalism in Pakistan and Afghanistan might have a spillover effect on its Muslim population in Xinjiang province. That is why, analysts believe, that China is not happy with ongoing developments in Pakistan. “Even China, while strongly supportive in public, made known its concerns about recent developments in Pakistan,” writes Tariq Fatemi, Pakistan’s former ambassador to the US. China’s urge to use Gwadar port also hinges on stability in Pakistan.

Rather than making plans on who we will be dependent on next, we should focus on our internal situation and help ourselves. If we cannot help ourselves, how can any other country help us?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2011 04:14

Published on Jun 23, 2011
By David Cohen
The problem of Pakistan, the promise of India: The Daily Caller

We’ve seen this movie a thousand times before. A guy and a gal are meant for each other. They don’t realize it yet, but everyone in the audience does. Circumstances conspire to keep them apart — a misunderstanding here, an unfortunate coincidence there. They’re both in denial about their obvious romantic chemistry. To make matters worse, she has a jerk boyfriend. Deep down, she must know that she has nothing in common with the jerk boyfriend, but she stays with him for all the wrong reasons. Finally, our hero and heroine wake up and realize that they should have been together all along. Our heroine musters the gumption to dump her jerk boyfriend, and rides off into the sunset with our hero.

That’s the plot of countless movies from Hollywood to Bollywood, and it aptly describes the relationship over the past several decades among the U.S., India and Pakistan. For those of you who are not good with analogies, the jerk boyfriend in this film is portrayed by Pakistan. We appear to be well into the final act of this movie, after the hero and heroine have woken up to each other’s charms, but before our heroine has figured out how to dump her boyfriend.

The heroine's strap-on stopped working!

Please don't leave your jerk boyfriend. We on BRF are addicted to watching Pakistani GUBO!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 24 Jun 2011 04:24

BijuShet wrote:Memon added that under these circumstances she could no longer be a member of the National Assembly and that she would not take back her resignations under any circumstance.

Lets not hold our collective breadth. Wait till she does an afridi.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Jun 2011 05:13

anupmisra wrote:
BijuShet wrote:Memon added that under these circumstances she could no longer be a member of the National Assembly and that she would not take in the back her resignations under any circumstance.
Lets not hold our collective breadth. Wait till she does an afridi.

We should applaud her for this tough "pratigya". Les see if she is forced into Ham-let-onian dilemma of "to take it or not to take it".

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 24 Jun 2011 05:32

I suspect Marvi is planning to junp ship to PML(Nawaz) party. There is also some issue about her candidature from a reserved seat in Pakjab when Mushyrat changed her domicile from Sindh to Pakjab to get her elected on a safe ticket. She is being proactive in switching back to a safer constituency under Nawaz's wing.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2011 05:38

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jun 24, 2011
By Azizullah Khan
Fantasies about Pak-China friendship: Daily Times
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011/06/24/story_24-6-2011_pg3_5

The Chinese have planned that they will connect Gwadar with their mainland either through a railway track or pipeline to transit oil to China. A transit route right from the Arabian Sea through closely allied Pakistan is the most secure shortcut for China. Gwadar will not only serve as a trade station but it will also cement China’s relations with the South Asian nuclear state.

Due to the ongoing insurgency in Balochistan, this project cannot materialise immediately. Given the fact that every day we read news about pipelines being blown up in Balochistan, China is not ready to invest billions of dollars in a restive province in an uncertain environment. China’s all out involvement in Gwadar port will also necessitate its open-ended political commitment to Pakistan for which it is not ready. China also has to weigh the diplomatic costs in terms of its relations with India and the US.

arun · Post by **arun** » 24 Jun 2011 06:45

Bruce Riedel in the Daily Beast with a prescription as to what US policy with regard to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan ought to be:

Three Ways to Help Pakistan

President Obama’s Afghan withdrawal plans include working with Pakistan to “root out the cancer of violent extremism.” Bruce Riedel’s three key steps to do it right.

June 23, 2011 4:06 PM EDT

On Wednesday evening, President Obama rightly said we “need to work with the Pakistani government to root out the cancer of violent extremism, and we will insist that it keeps its commitments.” Here is how to do it in three steps.

First, create accountability. Pakistan is home to more terrorists than any other country, many of them harbored by the Pakistani army and its ISI intelligence service. ……………………….

Second, help those Pakistanis who believe in a modern, open, and prosperous country, not in promoting the global jihad. …………………………………..

Third, use our diplomatic leverage. Pakistan needs allies and trading partners. …………………………

Read it all in the Daily Beast:

Three Ways to Help Pakistan

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 24 Jun 2011 07:14

Seized Phone Offers Clues to Bin Laden’s Pakistani Links

But the cellphone numbers provide one of the most intriguing leads yet in the hunt for the answer to an urgent and vexing question for Washington: How was it that Bin Laden was able to live comfortably for years in Abbottabad, a town dominated by the Pakistani military and only a three-hour drive from the Islamabad, the capital?

“It’s a serious lead,” said one American official, who has been briefed in broad terms on the cellphone analysis. “It’s an avenue we’re investigating.”

The revelation also provides a potentially critical piece of the puzzle about Bin Laden’s secret odyssey after he slipped away from American forces in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan nearly 10 years ago. It may help answer how and why Bin Laden or his protectors chose Abbottabad, where he was killed in a raid by a Navy Seals team on May 2.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 24 Jun 2011 07:18

putnanja wrote:Pakistan issues over 60 visas to CIA officials

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"Under the new arrangement, the CIA has accepted Islamabad's demand that all intelligence postings in the country should be fully disclosed, and shared with the Pakistani government," the daily Dawn quoted sources as saying.

"Pakistan agreed to issue the visas only after an understanding on full disclosures."

A diplomatic source said: "Now the ISI will be fully aware of who is doing what and where he is posted at."
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Packees have fallen for this oldest con in the book

The ISI goons will be watching these 60 who will engage in regular tasks. Another 60 who were assigned these regular tasks will be doing the spying.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 24 Jun 2011 07:21

Prem wrote:
ranjbe wrote:Hillary told Senate committee today:
["When it comes to our military aid, we are not prepared to continue providing that at the pace we were providing it unless and until we see some steps taken," Clinton told a Senate committee
Are they gonna stop delivering new /refurbished F16s/Onions and BVR Missiles?

Nobody knows about the specifics, but I am speculating this is US Plan B going in to action. based upon the most recent news reports. The contours of the plan have been discussed before.
- Withdraw majority of troops from Afghanistan in the next 3 years. Keep 10-20,000 Special Force troops, who can be supplied from the Northern route.
- Secure the non-Pashtun areas of Afghanistan, including Kabul if possible during this time. Build up an alternative to Karzai from the Northern Alliance who can win a democratic election in these areas. Also, build up a well-trained force of mainly non-Pashtuns who can be well-funded to keep these areas secure, with support from US drones and air assets. Concede non-cooperating Pashtun areas to the Taliban, and keep them jumping with missile and bomb strikes This also gives the US an excellent option to get rid of Karzai. This is the famous Robert Blackwil gambit.
-Give the Paki's a final Amritraj ultimatum which promises cut-off of all aid, and offensive missile strikes all over Bakiland if they don't do exactly what Amerika bahadur tells them. Get ready to move assets out of Bakiland into Afghanistan knowing full well TSP may renege on their promises. If they do, get ready to use these assets all over Bakiland to eliminate threats. Also, threaten Paki's with the Col. Peter's plan (break up of Bakiland).
- Keep tactics such as negotiating with Taliban and giving TSP the final ultimatum while sweet talking to overtly, to buy time to allow Plan B to solifdify.
- This allow Obama to cut down on troops as he promised, and help him in the 2012 elections. Maybe the Bakis will surrender this time. In any case there is enough time to put the alternative in place.
The downside of this plan is perhaps it puts India in a bad position. Paki's can try to nuke India in their rage. Given the current state of security in the USA, they have almost no chance of doing this with the USA.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 24 Jun 2011 08:29

Cellphone links Bin Laden to Pakistan agency

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 24 Jun 2011 09:48

RajeshA wrote:Published on Jun 23, 2011
The problem of Pakistan, the promise of India: The Daily Caller

The brf-type language is increasingly being used by mainstream American news reporters in NYT and almost everywhere else!. Pakbaric sewer rats are finally getting unmasked. Other than the WKK traitors they have no one to whitewash their crimes against humanity...just look at the NYT reports on ISI/Harakat links!

I love this:

Pew’s survey was unable to include certain parts of Pakistan, covering 15 percent of the population, because of security concerns. Unless you believe that these most radicalized parts of Pakistan are hidden reservoirs of love for America, it’s likely that the poll significantly understates the degree to which the Pakistanis hate us

I think we are only a short fuse away from someone in NYT/WP/CNN suggesting that US should simply bomb TSP with nukes until they either all die off or end terrorism against humans once for all.

negi · Post by **negi** » 24 Jun 2011 09:52

Talk about Paki Chutzpah

Freed after 10 months, Indian crew of MV Suez reach Delhi

"I hope India will reciprocate with love. Indian sailors have been also released,"

Anyways Gandus on our side have already obliged.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2011 10:40

negi wrote: Anyways Gandus on our side have already obliged.

And chief among them, Rt Hon. SM Krishna, minister for geriatrics and foot in mouth disease has thanked the Pakistani navy and PNS Babur by implication.

Sometimes I wonder which country in Soth Asia I hail from.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 24 Jun 2011 10:42

It's too bad South Asia has so many fewer syllables than Indian subcontinent. Otherwise I think we could remove this ugly term from English more successfully.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2011 12:04

UBanerjee wrote:It's too bad South Asia has so many fewer syllables than Indian subcontinent. Otherwise I think we could remove this ugly term from English more successfully.

Sometimes where it is counterproductive to rub it in that it is the "Indian Subcontinent", I simply use "The Subcontinent", with "Indian" being implicit. What other "Subcontinent" can it be?!

Hence, instead of referring to "South Asian Muslims", it becomes "Subcontinental Muslims"!

At least Indians should stop using "South Asia" completely. Pakistan is in South Asia, India is in the (Indian) Subcontinent.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 24 Jun 2011 12:21

Agreed Rajeshji.

But, err....., isn't Pakistan heading south really fast?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 24 Jun 2011 12:23

rajanb wrote:isn't Pakistan heading south really fast?

That is along the Z-Axis.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 24 Jun 2011 12:26

RajeshA wrote:
Sometimes where it is counterproductive to rub it in that it is the "Indian Subcontinent", I simply use "The Subcontinent", with "Indian" being implicit. What other "Subcontinent" can it be?!

Hence, instead of referring to "South Asian Muslims", it becomes "Subcontinental Muslims"!

At least Indians should stop using "South Asia" completely. Pakistan is in South Asia, India is in the (Indian) Subcontinent.

Well the standalone word Subcontinent means ONLY Indian Subcontinent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subcontinent

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 24 Jun 2011 12:28

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/musha ... 110624.htm

A former aide-de-camp of former military ruler Pervez Musharraf [ Images ] allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself in the head in his residence at Islamabad [ Images ], his family has said.

The body of Major (retired) Syed Tanveer Ali was found in his flat in Sector F-11 in the heart of Islamabad on Thursday. He retired from the army in 2004.

Authorities of a private hospital informed the police that they had received Ali's body with a bullet injury to the head. Ali's relatives told the police that they had heard a gunshot from the bathroom of his bedroom, which was locked from inside.

When they broke into the bathroom, they said they found Ali lying on the floor in a pool of blood. The police quoted Ali's relatives as saying that he was in distress due to financial losses suffered by his private security agency.

However, a report in the Daily Times newspaper quoted its sources as saying that there was an element of mystery surrounding Ali's death.

He was right-handed but the bullet wound was on the left side of his head and the 9 mm pistol used in the alleged suicide had no fingerprints, the report said.

The body was taken to the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences and Ali's family decided not to have an autopsy done, the daily quoted its sources as saying.

An army brigadier arrived at PIMS and told officials he had been tasked to move the body to the Combined Military Hospital. Officials then handed over the body to the brigadier and Ali's family, the report said.

Straight out of Bollywood movie

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 24 Jun 2011 12:36

Krishnanji,

Everything they do is bollywood ishtyle. PNS Barber being another example.

Except when it comes to war, which they do it squealing porki ishtyle.

UBanerjee · Post by **UBanerjee** » 24 Jun 2011 12:44

He was right-handed but the bullet wound was on the left side of his head and the 9 mm pistol used in the alleged suicide had no fingerprints, the report said.

No wonder this country is in a shambles. Their plots are more simple than a Hardy Boys villain.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 24 Jun 2011 12:47

Now i wonder how did the door get locked from inside.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 24 Jun 2011 12:50

30 kilograms Bomb defused from next to Jinnah hospital near #Shia Mosque Juma prayer in #Karachi

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Jun 2011 13:31

shiv wrote:
negi wrote: Anyways Gandus on our side have already obliged.
And chief among them, Rt Hon. SM Krishna, minister for geriatrics and foot in mouth disease has thanked the Pakistani navy and PNS Babur by implication. Sometimes I wonder which country in Soth Asia I hail from.

Among his many accomplishments -dress designer and toupee par excellence!!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 24 Jun 2011 13:33

Hillary Clinton's remarks on Pakistan here (Video)

starts from 29 minutes

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 24 Jun 2011 13:36

For Pakistan, India-US ties are zero sum game, Ms. Hillary Clinton

"Every time we make a move toward improving our relationship with India... the Pakistanis find that creates a lot of cognitive dissonance," Clinton said

Now, 'cognitive dissonance' is a term that we extensively use here while discussing TSP. I do not think it is a mere coincidence that such a reference was made by Ms. Clinton too.

I would next like her to use the acronym 'TSP'.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 24 Jun 2011 13:53

And chief among them, Rt Hon. SM Krishna, minister for geriatrics and foot in mouth disease has thanked the Pakistani navy and PNS Babur by implication. Sometimes I wonder which country in Soth Asia I hail from.

Among his many accomplishments -dress designer and toupee par excellence!!

Not to mention an avid tennis player at the Bangalore Club. Give credit where it is due, mate.

But seriously, why did he use the word "relieved" in respect to the sailors returning home? Was the PNS Barber the equivalent of a dulcolax?

It should have been more like:

"We are gratified at the return of our sailors due to the efforts of the anti Piracy Multinational Naval Task Force, of which the IN plays a leading role. Pakistan is also a part of that effort. Though the PN action against INS Godavari, which was there to assist, was deplorable and not in keeping with the spirit of multinational co-operation. Also the loss of the MV.Suez warrants an explanation from the PN and if necessary a multinational enquiry."

Admonishment from an iron hand in a velvet glove.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 24 Jun 2011 14:43

shiv wrote:
negi wrote: Anyways Gandus on our side have already obliged.
And chief among them, Rt Hon. SM Krishna, minister for geriatrics and foot in mouth disease has thanked the Pakistani navy and PNS Babur by implication. Sometimes I wonder which country in Soth Asia I hail from.

Pakis had enough time to 'debrief' our deshbandhus on the TFTA TSPN v/s the SDRE IN it seems. Expected something on these lines on TSP territory, not at home.
Vid link

Was it not possible for any of our intelligence/police/babus to do a quick debrief before letting the media pack loose on the returnees? Or did anyone not think it to be necessary?
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On the damage to INS Godavari.

Naval Chief Nirmal Verma said the Babar damaged equipment used by helicopters on the Indian warship

Vid link

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 24 Jun 2011 15:05

The NYT article above
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/world ... istan.html
connects the dots:
Osama bin Laden <--> Harakat ul Mujahideen
HuM <--> Pakistani Army, ISI
OBL courier <--> Jaish e Muhammad

It also has anonymous interviews with some former HuMs:

Two former militant commanders and one senior fighter who have received support from the ISI for years said they were convinced that the ISI played a part in sheltering Bin Laden. Because of their covert existence, they spoke on the condition that their names not be used.

One of the commanders belonged to Harakat. The other said he had fought as a guerrilla and trained others for 15 years while on the payroll of the Pakistani military, until he quit a few years ago. He said that he had met Bin Laden twice.
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He and the other commander, who spent 10 years with Harakat, offered no proof of their belief that Bin Laden was under Pakistani military protection. But their views were informed by their years of work with the ISI and their knowledge of how the spy agency routinely handled militant leaders it considered assets — placing them under protective custody in cities, often close to military installations.

The treatment amounts to a kind of house arrest, to ensure both the security of the asset and his low profile to avoid embarrassment to his protectors.
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Under strong American pressure, Harakat and similar groups were officially banned and driven underground by the government of President Pervez Musharraf in 2002. Harakat just renamed itself and continued to run camps unencumbered by Pakistani authorities and to train militants, some of whom have been caught while fighting American and NATO forces in Afghanistan, the commanders said.
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Bin Laden’s courier appears to have used a camp in Mansehra that belonged to a Harakat splinter group, Jaish-e-Muhammad, as a transit stop, said an American government official familiar with the analysis of the Bin Laden material.

Further

Another Pakistani militant leader closely connected to Bin Laden is Qari Saifullah Akhtar, the leader of Harakat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami. Mr. Akhtar stopped in South Waziristan on the way to Afghanistan just months ago, a militant interviewed by phone said.

The presence in Waziristan of Mr. Akhtar — who is wanted in connection with the attack that killed Benazir Bhutto, a former prime minister, in 2007 — demonstrated that he could still move freely without ISI interference.