Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 30, 2011

arun · Post by **arun** » 26 Jun 2011 13:17

The Islamic Republic of Pakistan shells the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

Does shelling a fellow Mohammadden country fit with the “Jihad In The Path of Allah” part of the motto of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “Iman Taqwa Jihad fi Sabilillah”?

Afghanistan says 4 children killed in Pakistani border shelling

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 26 Jun 2011 13:31

Arunji,

“Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Path of Allah” is just a slogan.

There is a saying: "Politics is the refuge of scoundrels", but since Pakistan is one of the most evolved states, only in downhill skiing, that saying has been accordingly modified to suitably laud and acknowledge Pakistan's evolution. Let us give credit where it is due. It is now: "Politics and the Pakistani Military High Command are the refuge of scoundrels".

On a more serious note, after Abbotabad, and the domestic spat between Khan and his mistress, the announced withdrawal of US and other? NATO troops there has been an increase in attacks across the Afghan border into Pakistan and consequent retaliation. This scenario is going to unfold as there will be a shift in strategy and tactics. Unfortunately and sadly, innocents are dismissed as collateral damage.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2011 13:59

Multan: 3 people killed, several injured in blast on Qaddafi Chowk.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 26 Jun 2011 14:00

Akbar Bugti's grandson among six killed in Karachi firing incident

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 26 Jun 2011 14:31

shravan wrote:Akbar Bugti's grandson among six killed in Karachi firing incident

I am sure that's going to have immediate and long term effect in Balochistan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 26 Jun 2011 17:31

shravan wrote:Akbar Bugti's grandson among six killed in Karachi firing incident

It is an ISI/PA operation, no doubt.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Jun 2011 17:58

http://criticalppp.com/archives/52380
On Shia hazaras

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Jun 2011 18:44

how will tallel deepl friend react

Antofagasta, Barrick to win Pakistan rights -govt

ISLAMABAD, June 26 (Reuters) - Chile's Antofagasta and Canada's Barrick Gold are likely to win mining rights for a $3.3 billion copper and gold project in Pakistan, a senior provincial government official said on Sunday.

The companies are partners in the Tethyan Copper Co (TCC) joint venture, which has a 75 percent interest in the Reko Diq project in the southwestern Baluchistan province.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jun 2011 18:46

SSridhar wrote:
shravan wrote:Akbar Bugti's grandson among six killed in Karachi firing incident
It is an ISI/PA operation, no doubt.

Bent on wiping out full family onlee.

What was grandson bugti doing in karachi, not much brains??

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 26 Jun 2011 18:52

Nothing new to report but I like the headlies. For those average joe who do not read news still glance thro headlines get the message loud & clear

Bin Laden's courier linked to Pakistan intelligence agency

next time a RAPE tries to sweet talk some one in Canada he wont get too far.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 26 Jun 2011 18:54

A Criteria-Based Approach to Nuclear Cooperation With Pakistan

Some thing is stirring in the woodwork.

Summary points
>Western Non-Proliferation Ayatollahs (Perkovich et al) want pakistan to be given the nuclear legitimacy it wants irrespective of the question of whether it deserves it or not.
>It shall be "criteria based" within the frame work of NSG - and not without as presently china is contemplating to go through in case of Chasma 3,4.
>Wants to allow china to manufacture and export western nuclear reactors under license as a carrot for it agreeing to force pakistanis accept the above criteria.
>Wants India's membership in NSG to be delayed till it also agrees to be bounded by the proposed pakistan's level of "criteria". Only difference is -the carrot of NSG association will be "criteria based" to Pakistan in case of pakistan's acceptance of them while with respect to india it will be "full membership in NSG" in case of acceptance of these criteria by India."seblantics" onlee.

>Examples of criteria applicable to pakistan thus applicable to india requires warheads not to be mated to delivery systems and not "to deploy them".

Another example would be fissile material cutoff.
Another would be a new alternative to the "facile delineation" of military and civilian reactors as accepted in india's case.
>In other words the ayatollahs want India's strategic nuclear "space" to be further reduced along with the required curtailing of pakistani nuclear space.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 26 Jun 2011 19:45

Some info about Ghazwa-e-Hind
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277348
(Mohammad Taqi's review of SSS's book).

But Saleem does not explore the veracity of either the Hadith or attempt to find out that the mainstream Muslim scholars have considered both as the weakest of the weak Hadith that were probably concocted at the behest of two Muslim monarchies. Interestingly, if the timeline of the appearance of the two sayings in the Hadith literature is followed, the one about India predates the one about the army from Khurasan. The simple reason being that the one about the Ghazwa-e-Hind was used to lure people to join the Muhammad bin Qasim-led invasion of India in 712 CE and the one about legions from Khurasan was deployed by the Abbasid general Abu Muslim Khurasani to topple the Ummayads circa 747 CE!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 26 Jun 2011 20:57

Brad Goodman wrote:how will tallel deepl friend react

Antofagasta, Barrick to win Pakistan rights -govt

ISLAMABAD, June 26 (Reuters) - Chile's Antofagasta and Canada's Barrick Gold are likely to win mining rights for a $3.3 billion copper and gold project in Pakistan, a senior provincial government official said on Sunday.

The companies are partners in the Tethyan Copper Co (TCC) joint venture, which has a 75 percent interest in the Reko Diq project in the southwestern Baluchistan province.

I think the Canadians are more likely to pay ransom for kidnapped citizens. Chinese would simply say "sabka Mao ek hain" and onlee ask for organs of the hostages be returned.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 26 Jun 2011 21:01

Taliban say husband and wife in Pakistan suicide attack

A husband and wife carried out a suicide attack that killed eight people at a police station in north-western Pakistan, the Taliban has said.

The attack took place late on Saturday in Kolachi, near the tribal region and Taliban stronghold of South Waziristan.

The pair entered the police station dressed in burkas, hiding rifles, hand grenades and suicide vests underneath.

They held staff hostage for several hours before detonating themselves, killing seven officers and a tea boy.

The pair pretended that they had a complaint to make when they initially entered the station before removing their burkas and launching an assault.

'Different strategies'

The BBC's Orla Guerin, in Islamabad, says that the use of a husband and wife suicide squad by the Pakistani Taliban is a new tactic, and a new threat.

Already, our correspondent adds, the militants have resorted to using children as human bombs. And a suicide attack in Pakistan's tribal areas last December was blamed on a woman bomber.

A Pakistani Taliban spokesman said the attack was carried out in retaliation for the killing of Osama Bin Laden on 2 May by US special forces, and for Pakistani government attacks against militants.

"The attackers were a husband and wife. We will keep carrying out attacks with different strategies," Ehsanullah Ehsan told Reuters.

The country's Taliban movement, close to al-Qaeda, has increased the number of violent attack in Pakistan since the death of Bin Laden.

The group has also said it carried out a suicide bombing at a navy base near Karachi last month which killed dozens.

The same attack was earlier reported and also quoted on thread here saying there were mob of 400 ppl. attacking and taking over police station and killing least 15 and army being called in and firefights lasting 4-5 hours. well it seems those reports of 400 Taliban attacker were ted exaggerated to save imaginary H&D of TFTA police force and it was all done by a couple who simply walked in wearing burqa.

Here is how the same incident was reported earlier!
Army called in as terrorists take over Kolachi police station

The policemen were killed when a mob of about 400 people attacked a police station.
The terrorists, one of them wearing full veil, entered the police station, and gun shots were heard soon after. They locked the police station from the inside and took positions on the rooftop.

Police regain Kolachi police station; 12 cops killed

Police have regained control of Kolachi police station after hours-long shootout with terrorists.

Twelve policemen, including an SHO, were killed in the terrorist attack on the police station in DI Khan.

The police station was taken over by a group of terrorists holding positions on the rooftop of the police station. The Army and other security forces rounded up the police station and were engaged in a shootout with the terrorists holed up inside.

The terrorists, one of them wearing full veil or burqa, entered the police station, and gun shots were heard soon after. They locked the police station from the inside and took positions on the rooftop.

The number of the terrorists holding up inside is not immediate clear. However, unconfirmed reports put their number between 7 and 20.

The takeover of the police station by militants sparked an hours-long standoff. At least two of the intruders reportedly blew themselves up in two suicide bombings.

Three explosions rocked the police station building in quick succession, setting off plumes of smoke into the sky.

At least two dozen police officers had been inside the building when the militants stormed it; two wounded officers had managed to get out.

Between seven and 20 attackers, some wearing suicide vests and others armed with grenades and guns were involved, according to local officials.

A police official said the first blast was caused by a suicide bomber who blew himself up when an armored vehicle tried to enter the compound.

At least one of the other two explosions also was caused by a suicide bomber, said regional police chief Imtiaz Shah. He said at least 10 police officers had been killed, while five others were wounded.

The Taliban meanwhile claimed reponsibility for the police station rain.

I sure hope that pakis rewrite their manual to include burqa search procedure with lungi inspection one!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 26 Jun 2011 21:30

The Taliban meanwhile claimed reponsibility for the police station rain.

Did they really claim responsibility for rain? I thought only the Joos and Hindus had that capability

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Jun 2011 22:50

Just heard Hamid Karzai talk to FZ on CNN. Its absolutely amazing that his frustration is with US soft peddling TSP. When FZ asked why he was citicizing NATO when they are helping Afghnas, he said his critcism was on the direction the war should take. No marks for guessing what he was meaning. And when the real villian of AfPak is so obvious, its infuriating to focus on so called corruption in Afganisthan. This is called propaganda which US media excels in.

Be it India, be it Afganisthan, TSP is the villian. But do you hear that in the narrative US govt and their mouthpiece media put out? Whole AfPak is all about preserving and srengthening this artificial entity called TSP, it has less to do with helping the beleagured Afghans.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 26 Jun 2011 23:44

CRamS wrote:Just heard Hamid Karzai talk to FZ on CNN. Its absolutely amazing that his frustration is with US soft peddling TSP. When FZ asked why he was citicizing NATO when they are helping Afghnas, he said his critcism was on the direction the war should take. No marks for guessing what he was meaning. And when the real villian of AfPak is so obvious, its infuriating to focus on so called corruption in Afganisthan. This is called propaganda which US media excels in.

Be it India, be it Afganisthan, TSP is the villian. But do you hear that in the narrative US govt and their mouthpiece media put out? Whole AfPak is all about preserving and srengthening this artificial entity called TSP, it has less to do with helping the beleagured Afghans.

Another senator comes on Mee the press and says it not about Afghanistan but Pak since it is nuke country and deep animosity between Pak and India.
They make it as if they are neutral observers in the Af Pak area.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 27 Jun 2011 01:48

Apologies if already posted. Interesting read so Posting in full.

Apparently some self realisation begining to germinate within pakis about their dismal state of existence, ie Dhobi ka Kutta Na Ghar Ka Na Ghat Ka.

Escape route

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 27 Jun 2011 02:03

^
what are you posting in full sir?

Nihat · Post by **Nihat** » 27 Jun 2011 02:11

A_Gupta wrote:Some info about Ghazwa-e-Hind
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277348
(Mohammad Taqi's review of SSS's book).

ghazwa-e-Hind qualifies as one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever heard.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Jun 2011 03:05

Terrorism attacks in Pakistan: some stats
http://asiancorrespondent.com/58383/som ... -pakistan/

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 27 Jun 2011 03:57

Pakistan expels British trainers of anti-Taliban soldiers

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 27 Jun 2011 05:34

Nihat wrote: ghazwa-e-Hind qualifies as one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever heard.

Reality is too harsh for the Pakis to comprehend.
Having competed and lost to India in every sphere (economy, education, military etc ) the only thing left is to indulge
in grandiose delusions of victory and dream about paki flag flying in New Delhi.
Pathetic state of mind that cannot see the truth for what it is.
I feel sorry for them.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Jun 2011 05:50

Visa ban still in place

The temporary visa ban placed on citizens from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan is still in place pending further notice, said the Director of the Hawally Division of the Ministry of Interior's General Migration Department.

I hope all the middle eastern countries follow the example of Kuwait and ban/deport all Pakist from their countries.

Link

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Jun 2011 06:43

Kanishka wrote:Reality is too harsh for the Pakis to comprehend.
Having competed and lost to India in every sphere (economy, education, military etc ) the only thing left is to indulge
in grandiose delusions of victory and dream about paki flag flying in New Delhi.
Pathetic state of mind that cannot see the truth for what it is.
I feel sorry for them.

Not that I disagree but just to play devil's advocate - from their calculus of what victory means, maybe they're not losing at all. Besides, history's on their side, they may think with some reason as backup. ee, the mistakes of the likes of Prithviraj Chavan that cost Bhaarat a great deal haven't been forgotten in Pak. They probably still think that given Indic history and our demonstrated inability to commit genocide (contrast that with their heroes, the Turks, in Armenia), they do believe that as long as they outbreed us and the world (including, btw, Dilli) won't let a people starve, they will eventually overwhelm us only. Why United Bengal turned demographically speaking in just a few generations (between 1750 and 1900) after all.

IMO, the same calculus is pervalent also in the islamist approach to Oiro in-migration. I believe the likes of Gaddafi and Arafat have let sip their tongues on that grand strategy of theirs - that the muslim womb is their biggest weapon and all that.

Anyway, saying more is OT on this thread but one gets the idea, of how packees likely 'think', who knows. Which is why the scare scenario of millions of packee refugees fleeing some self-created civil war in Pak overwhelming India's borders is not something I'd scoff at. ONly.

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Jun 2011 06:50

BBC TV investigative journalism programme, Panorama, finds Surgical Tools made in Sialkot in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to be sub-standard :

27 June 2011 Last updated at 00:32 GMT

Surgical tools used in NHS operations 'substandard'

Microscopic shards of steel can puncture surgical gloves or become dislodged inside patients

Substandard surgical tools from Pakistan are putting UK patients at risk of potentially deadly injury and infection, BBC Panorama has found.

Faults include rough edges, steel burrs that can splinter during operations and corroded metals………………………

Two-thirds of the world's surgical instruments are make in the city of Sialkot in northern Pakistan and 70% of the UK's registered manufacturers are based in the city.

While some of the larger companies operate state-of-the art facilities and have rigorous quality-control procedures in place, Panorama found evidence of smaller firms that do not use magnifying glasses to inspect finished instruments before putting the required quality stamp on them.

Others outsourced manufacturing to some of the 3,000 small back street workshops in the city where undercover filming revealed a complete lack of hygiene or quality control………………………..

BBC

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jun 2011 07:06

arun wrote:BBC TV investigative journalism programme, Panorama, finds Surgical Tools made in Sialkot in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan to be sub-standard :

BBC

Expect a Paki official rebuttal soon. I have seen "Made in Pakistan" scissors in the UK. But hey - the UK and Pakistan are friends and allies. So what if a few Brits die from bad instruments? Do you know how many Pakis die from lack of healthcare and terrorism?

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 27 Jun 2011 07:20

Pakistan army firing rockets into Afghanistan: Hamid Karzai

The attacks came in areas of Kunar and Nangarhar provinces where NATO forces have withdrawn, and where Pakistani Taliban moved in behind fleeing civilians, Afghan border officials said. Karzai indicated Pakistani government forces are responsible for the bombardment, and "they should be stopped immediately."

"The government of Pakistan should understand that there will be a reaction for killing Afghan citizens," said spokesman Mohammad Zahir Azimi. Pakistan fired 470 rockets that killed 36 people, including 12 children. 2,000 families have fled districts threatened by the barrage, including Asmar and Nangalam in Kunar, and Goshta district in Nangahar. In response to the Pakistani barrage, Afghan security forces in the eastern provinces of Khost and Paktika fired artillery across the border at least twice on Friday, Azimi said. Afghan security officials said NATO also fired into Pakistan on June 17.

khan · Post by **khan** » 27 Jun 2011 07:33

Airavat wrote:Pakistan army firing rockets into Afghanistan: Hamid Karzai

The attacks came in areas of Kunar and Nangarhar provinces where NATO forces have withdrawn, and where Pakistani Taliban moved in behind fleeing civilians, Afghan border officials said. Karzai indicated Pakistani government forces are responsible for the bombardment, and "they should be stopped immediately."

"The government of Pakistan should understand that there will be a reaction for killing Afghan citizens," said spokesman Mohammad Zahir Azimi. Pakistan fired 470 rockets that killed 36 people, including 12 children. 2,000 families have fled districts threatened by the barrage, including Asmar and Nangalam in Kunar, and Goshta district in Nangahar. In response to the Pakistani barrage, Afghan security forces in the eastern provinces of Khost and Paktika fired artillery across the border at least twice on Friday, Azimi said. Afghan security officials said NATO also fired into Pakistan on June 17.

Looks like they are using the Kashmir playbook by giving terrorists covering fire.

We should arm the Afghans...

arun · Post by **arun** » 27 Jun 2011 07:44

Airavat wrote:Pakistan army firing rockets into Afghanistan: Hamid Karzai

The attacks came in areas of Kunar and Nangarhar provinces where NATO forces have withdrawn, and where Pakistani Taliban moved in behind fleeing civilians, Afghan border officials said. Karzai indicated Pakistani government forces are responsible for the bombardment, and "they should be stopped immediately."

"The government of Pakistan should understand that there will be a reaction for killing Afghan citizens," said spokesman Mohammad Zahir Azimi. Pakistan fired 470 rockets that killed 36 people, including 12 children. 2,000 families have fled districts threatened by the barrage, including Asmar and Nangalam in Kunar, and Goshta district in Nangahar. In response to the Pakistani barrage, Afghan security forces in the eastern provinces of Khost and Paktika fired artillery across the border at least twice on Friday, Azimi said. Afghan security officials said NATO also fired into Pakistan on June 17.

Does shelling a fellow Mohammadden country fit with the “Jihad In The Path of Allah” part of the motto of the Army of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan of “Faith, Piety and Jihad in the Path of Allah” or in Urdu “Iman Taqwa Jihad fi Sabilillah”?

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 27 Jun 2011 08:04

Pakistan seems to be prepared to carry out a full census of their population...

From http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pa ... rt_1559441

Pakistan to set up consolidated databank on terrorists: Report

Pakistan’s civilian and military law enforcement agencies engaged in counter-terrorism efforts have decided to create a consolidated databank on terrorists, according to a media report today.

....
It emerged at the meeting that government departments at the national and provincial levels were maintaining data on terrorists for their own use and the information was fragmented in the absence of a central authority, the Dawn newspaper quoted its sources as saying.

It becomes "very difficult" to check the identity of a suicide bomber or terrorist on a speedy basis irrespective of whether he or she is a Pakistani or a foreigner, the sources said.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 27 Jun 2011 08:13

^^^"check the identity of a suicide bomber" - is there a repeated need for that?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jun 2011 08:19

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... act_wright

The Double Game: The unintended consequences of American funding in Pakistan.

It’s the end of the Second World War, and the United States is deciding what to do about two immense, poor, densely populated countries in Asia. America chooses one of the countries, becoming its benefactor. Over the decades, it pours billions of dollars into that country’s economy, training and equipping its military and its intelligence services. The stated goal is to create a reliable ally with strong institutions and a modern, vigorous democracy. The other country, meanwhile, is spurned because it forges alliances with America’s enemies.
The country not chosen was India, which “tilted” toward the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Pakistan became America’s protégé, firmly supporting its fight to contain Communism. The benefits that Pakistan accrued from this relationship were quickly apparent: in the nineteen-sixties, its economy was an exemplar. India, by contrast, was a byword for basket case. Fifty years then went by. What was the result of this social experiment? India has become the state that we tried to create in Pakistan. It is a rising economic star, militarily powerful and democratic, and it shares American interests. Pakistan, however, is one of the most anti-American countries in the world, and a covert sponsor of terrorism. Politically and economically, it verges on being a failed state. And, despite Pakistani avowals to the contrary, America’s worst enemy, Osama bin Laden, had been hiding there for years—in strikingly comfortable circumstances—before U.S. commandos finally tracked him down and killed him, on May 2nd..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 27 Jun 2011 08:29

Nihat wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Some info about Ghazwa-e-Hind
http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?277348
(Mohammad Taqi's review of SSS's book).
ghazwa-e-Hind qualifies as one of the biggest pieces of crap I have ever heard.

Nihat, it may well be, but Pakistanis believe it and as SSS says in his book, the ISI popularized it. That's why, perhaps, the author of this letter in DT says the following:

India sees the India-Pakistan dispute not merely as irredentism as the author simplistically portrays it but as much more complex than that, shaped as it is by various historical events in the Indian subcontinent and neighbourhood. That is why a simple adjustment of the Line of Control (LoC) is not viewed by India as a panacea for the ills afflicting the ties of the two nations. A much more holistic approach is needed, one that addresses the true roots of the conflict as Pakistani leaders and generals never tire of saying. In India’s assessment, that ‘root’ is not Kashmir, but is much more complex.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 27 Jun 2011 08:33

Churchill’s ‘High Cabal’ and Pakistan’s elite
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... tans-elite

Comparisons are sometimes odious, but sometimes necessary, especially in the suffocating political environment prevailing in Pakistan today, and if one happens to be going through an interesting book The Secret Team by Colonel Fletcher Prouty.
In his book, Prouty, briefing officer of the US President from 1955-63, narrates a remarkable incident in which Winston Churchill made a most revealing utterance during World War II. He writes: “On this particular night there had been a heavy raid on Rotterdam. He sat there, meditating, and then, as if to himself, he said: ‘Unrestricted submarine warfare, unrestricted air bombing - this is total war’. He continued sitting there, gazing at a large map, and then said: “Time and the Ocean and some guiding star and ‘High Cabal’ have made us what we are.” Prouty adds: “This was a most memorable scene and a revelation of reality that is infrequent, at best. If for the great Winston Churchill, there is a ‘High Cabal’ that has made us what we are, our definition is complete. Who could now better than Churchill himself during the darkest days of World War II, that there exists, beyond doubt, an international ‘High Cabal’? This was true then. It is true today, especially in these times of the ‘One World Order’. This all-powerful group has remained superior because it had learned the value of anonymity. This ‘High Cabal’ is the ‘One World Cabal’ of today, also called the elite by various writers.”
It was as far back as 1774 that Mayer Amschel Rothschild stated at a gathering of the 12 richest men of Prussia in Frankfurt: ‘War should be directed so that the nations on both sides should be further in our debt’.” In this context, I made a comparison between the ‘One World Cabal’ of today led by the West and the sad saga of the Pakistani elite. It seems that after six decades of our independence in 1947, the Pakistani cabal has sunk deeper and deeper into the mire of self-interest without defining our

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 27 Jun 2011 09:37

Anindya wrote:Pakistan seems to be prepared to carry out a full census of their population...

From http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pa ... rt_1559441

Pakistan to set up consolidated databank on terrorists: Report

Just take a census...why the fuss?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 27 Jun 2011 09:39

What census will the porkis take. They dare not enter certain areas of thier own country!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 27 Jun 2011 10:05

I think you people are making it all too complicated:

Pakistanies need to count their terrorists? Easy peasy

Steps to be followed
1. Take census - since whole population=terrorists
2. Census not possible because they are terrorists and will kill
3. Be a proud Pakistani. Cook up figures
4. What figures? Only 3.14159 Pakis voted for Islamist parties in the last 400 elections

Therefore Pakistan has 3.14159 terrorists. One Joo. One Hindoo. One Amriki. and 0.14159 misguided Pakis (Shias and Ahmedis)

No sweat. QED. Pakistan Painindabutt. etc

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 27 Jun 2011 10:09

Not that I disagree but just to play devil's advocate - from their calculus of what victory means, maybe they're not losing at all. Besides, history's on their side, they may think with some reason as backup. ee, the mistakes of the likes of Prithviraj Chavan that cost Bhaarat a great deal haven't been forgotten in Pak. They probably still think that given Indic history and our demonstrated inability to commit genocide (contrast that with their heroes, the Turks, in Armenia), they do believe that as long as they outbreed us and the world (including, btw, Dilli) won't let a people starve, they will eventually overwhelm us only. Why United Bengal turned demographically speaking in just a few generations (between 1750 and 1900) after all.

Indeed, i mentioned this before. I posted the "most Important Video you'll ever see" in the Managing Pakistani failure thread to realize the power of the exponential function. Islamists realize this function much better than many of us satisfied with the present status quo. But then there is no status quo. Look at what we have lost. Afghanistan, once a paradise of Buddhist and Hindu learning is gone. So is Pakistan. Tibet is gone, so is the holiest of holy places for Shiv Bhakts and most Hindu's the abode of Shiva in Kailash and Mansarover.

For most young people here, by the time their grand children are middle aged, the Indian subcontinent will be a majority Muslim area. From there the decline will be very fast. The Ghazwa should be taken very seriously. Never mind how authentic the Hadith is. It's in the belief system the authenticity matters. Ask yourself how many people here would consider the Bible or Ho Ko authentic works of the creator? None really, because you don't believe you'll go to hell just because you worship Shiva or Vishnu or are Jain or Buddhist. So it's not the authenticity of the Hadith or the Ho Ko or Bible that matter, but the belief a particular people lay on it.

Any such ideology should be rejected only on your own peril. Till there is belief in it, i take them seriously.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 27 Jun 2011 10:26

harbans wrote: Any such ideology should be rejected only on your own peril. Till there is belief in it, i take them seriously.

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