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ajit_tr proved it comprehensively that naam badal dene se paki ki pakistaaniyat nahin badal jaati. It's ridiculously easy to ferret out them wankers' paki soul with a few carefully chosen flamebaits.
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anupmisra wrote:And now comes the chutzpah!! Pakistan says India rejected revenue sharing plan. The gall!
Pakistan’s cricket chief Ijaz Butt has said India rejected a proposal to share revenue from a possible series between the arch rivals on the grounds that India will play host. “We hope the series will be revived and we told them we are ready to play in India but revenue should be shared 50-50, but they did not accept the proposal,” Butt said in an interview broadcast late on Thursday.
“Naturally, compared to what we earn when we play any other top country, we earn much more if we play India. But we have to sort out details, but what they say is basically a one-sided affair,” said Butt.
Yeah, like Indian team has better things to do and better teams to play. Now go play Afghanistan.

This is exactly what I mentioned earlier. The reason Pakis want to host on neutral venues is that they need to just pay the rent and take rest of the revenues including advertising. What went wrong with the neutral venue ? I don't know. Ummah not indulging? God knows!
But Pakis, being Pakis, want to tour India, will be the guest , will have nothing to organize and yet want 50%?
Do they think we are Unkil to give freebies?
I am glad that BCCI rejected. Had we agreed, it would have opened the gates for more brazen proposals.

So Pakis, please help yourselves to team Namaz in your empty home ground !
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why will the neutral venue forgo its cut for the pakis??
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ravi_ku wrote:why will the neutral venue forgo its cut for the pakis??
For the greater good of the Ummah and Brotherhood. After all, they are all arabs deep down.
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Truly Islamic, this jihad. One set of Muslims fighting another in a country that was created for both of them by somebody who violated most Islamic tenets, such as not drinking, not eating pork, praying five times, performing Hajj etc. The mohajirs, who were mostly instrumental in creating this artificial entity called Pakistan, are now at the receiving end. Another classicism in this jihad is that in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, the Taliban ruthlessly targetted the ANP but have joined hands in far away Karachi. After eliminating the mohajirs, the ANP and the Taliban will be at each other's throats as Arab history teaches us. The ANP is no match for the Taliban who are several notches up in the piety scale. In the end, what did Jinnah & Co achieve except divest India of these rabid elements for which of course, we have to be grateful.
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anupmisra wrote:
ravi_ku wrote:why will the neutral venue forgo its cut for the pakis??
For the greater good of the Ummah and Brotherhood. After all, they are all arabs deep down.
Pakis think they are araps. The araps think pakis are trash. :((
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SSridhar wrote:
Truly Islamic, this jihad.
I dont believe in this Taliban / AQ stuff in that video...that is propaganda meant for western audiences...that is assuming the whole thing is not MQM propaganda...looking at the earlier youtube where the MQM guy was shouting hoarse not letting the Pathan say anything...does not surprise me.

You have to remember this bunch deliberately left for TSP because they believed in fanatic barbarianism and jehadi terrorism and did not believe in living in piece with their neighbours....

BTW Mohajir=Jew ; Jew = Wajib bull cattle ; Musy = Mohajir ; Mushy = Jew ; Mushy = Wajib bull cattle...that's the madrasah algebra.. :rotfl:
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SSridhar wrote:In the end, what did Jinnah & Co achieve except divest India of these rabid elements for which of course, we have to be grateful.
Grateful you can be, but giving 1/3 of India's land, loosing historical cities like Lahore of ancient India, getting one million killed in 47 riots, 10's of millions uprooted, loosing borders with Iran, A'stan, and of course having a nukkular threat on our throat.

If that is a price worth paying for getting rid of such people, then sure you can be grateful.
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jrjrao wrote:NY Times editorial:

A Pakistani Journalist’s Murder

The ISI has become inimical to Pakistani and American interests.


I don't like this last statement for both what it says and doesn't. The ISI & TSPA & their affiliates like LeT and hardcore "good" Taliban do serve TSP interests and have mass support. Somebody should send NYT editorial board reports and pictures of Hafeez Saeed soliciting public donations and the support he gets.

What the editorial does not say is that ISI is not in Indian interests nor Afghan interests. But they don't count, do they? If ISI were serving US interests or at least pervcieved to be doing so till recently, then ISI's brutal trangressions against India & Afghans need a "piss process" to resolve the trust defecit, and US will be glad to faciliate that.
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surinder wrote:
SSridhar wrote:In the end, what did Jinnah & Co achieve except divest India of these rabid elements for which of course, we have to be grateful.
Grateful you can be, but giving 1/3 of India's land, loosing historical cities like Lahore of ancient India, getting one million killed in 47 riots, 10's of millions uprooted, loosing borders with Iran, A'stan, and of course having a nukkular threat on our throat.

If that is a price worth paying for getting rid of such people, then sure you can be grateful.
Let's be practical Surinder babu...then only way to get rid of so many fanatic barbarians in such a short time period is to give territory...the other way(s) requires someone like Hitler....and we had Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru...the tens of millions 'uprooted' are now contributing to our economy and culture...and the ones killed are martyrs for a good cause...we can never forget them...and the best way to do so is not to let these barbaric animals come back thru' the back door in the name of 'aman ki tamasha'
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Suppiah wrote:The demands of PC (and the fear of more terrorist attacks in their markets and malls) always keep western reporters a bit subdued...on top of that most of Pakbarianism was directed at India so Unkil and his media corps cared a rats a.s. They were advising us how to be nice and turn the other cheek. But then TSP got bold and as the tamil saying goes, after biting the goat and cow it started biting the man...then of course, all velvet gloves are off...no more 'be nice to them, talk to them' bullshit..
This "strong" BS from US will stop the moment, the Pakbarian becomes the kutta he was and wags to CIA/US external affairs orders.
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ravi_ku wrote: This "strong" BS from US will stop the moment, the Pakbarian becomes the kutta he was and wags to CIA/US external affairs orders.
It will take some time for Pakibarians to become kuttas again...remember being loyal is one of the key traits of being a good kutta...and these sub-animal creatures are anything but loyal...right now even tarrell mountain would be checking under the table for bombs when Kiyanahi or Zardari leaves after a visit.
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surinder wrote: Grateful you can be, but giving 1/3 of India's land, loosing historical cities like Lahore of ancient India, getting one million killed in 47 riots, 10's of millions uprooted, loosing borders with Iran, A'stan, and of course having a nukkular threat on our throat.

If that is a price worth paying for getting rid of such people, then sure you can be grateful.
This of course is exactly what we are fighting now. It was "hans ke liye Pakistan, lar ke lenge Hindustan",

But Surinder we have only three choices

1. Ignore Pakistan. Let it rot. Seal ourselves off and declare as "lost" all that you have named
2. Recapture all those areas against a currently hostile population and keep them under occupation while we change their mindset - keeping our police/occupation forces in Pakistan facing a civil war like situation.
3. Move towards reduction of hostility and normalization of relations so that we can reclaim what was ours (Lahore etc) nominally in the medium term and perhaps ownership in the long term.

Every one of these solutions has opponents.

Note that Sridhar expressed a view akin to option 1. Clearly your viewpoint is not happy with that.
I am of the view that in the long term option 3 would be the least costly and possibly most likely to work.

That leaves a whole lot of people who might favor option 2. Option 2 is, in my view not a serious option as things stand. It is one thing to talk of balls and spine and courage. it is another matter to contribute to war directly
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Option 4: Just nook them and reclaim territory when the half-life of bombs is over...worth the wait..
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Suppiah wrote:Option 4: Just nook them and reclaim territory when the half-life of bombs is over...worth the wait..
:D This is the most tempting option.
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shiv wrote:
Suppiah wrote:Option 4: Just nook them and reclaim territory when the half-life of bombs is over...worth the wait..
:D This is the most tempting option.
Not to mention cleanest. BTW, which way does the wind blow? Fallout you know!
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can someone summarize the goings on in Karachi especially over the last 24-28 hours?
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ravi_ku wrote:why will the neutral venue forgo its cut for the pakis??
Neutral avenue will take its cut and then equal-equal.
Indian venue will take its cut and then 50-50 on the remainder means overall India gets more. This goes against Pakistan's raisin dieter :)
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The list of all who have declared Jihad in Pakistan against who all. Its not complete.
Muslims against Jews, Christians and Hindus.
Sunnis against Shias, Ahmedis and Sufis.
Shias against Sunnis.
Pashtoons against Mohajirs.
Mohajirs against Pashtoons.
`Commando` bodyguards against governors.
Taliban against Pakistan Army.
Pakistan Army against Taliban.
Pakistan Army against Balochi insurgents.
Pakistan army against terrorists.
Pakistan against USA, India and Israel.
Taliban against USA and India.
LeT/Al/Qaeda/JeM against the rest of the world.
Lashkar e Jhangvi against Shias........
....Pakistan is the first muslim country to have achieved such a comprehensive list of Jihaad declarations .
AoA
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I have a minor confusion. What does the recent most large consignment of 90 abduls to jannat comprise of ? muhajirs or ahmediyas ? because I was under the impression that this was ahmediya
hunting season.
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rajanb wrote:
shiv wrote:[="Suppiah"]Option 4: Just nook them and reclaim territory when the half-life of bombs is over...worth the wait..
:D This is the most tempting option.
Not to mention cleanest. BTW, which way does the wind blow? Fallout you know!
In Summer, wind blow toward West of Wagha for ideal WOW blow. Other peaceful option will be soon to be coming buying oppertunity for both land and slaves.
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gakakkad wrote: I have a minor confusion. What does the recent most large consignment of 90 abduls to jannat comprise of ? muhajirs or ahmediyas ? because I was under the impression that this was ahmediya
hunting season.
It's Mohajirs (MQM) against the Pushtuns (ANP). Apparently majority of the dead are Pushtuns.
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Sriman wrote:
gakakkad wrote: I have a minor confusion. What does the recent most large consignment of 90 abduls to jannat comprise of ? muhajirs or ahmediyas ? because I was under the impression that this was ahmediya
hunting season.
It's Mohajirs (MQM) against the Pushtuns (ANP). Apparently majority of the dead are Pushtuns.
mqm is doing us a big favor in that case. AoA taliban retaliation should be massive .
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^ they are not doing anyone favor except to themselves. They are just proving who is more pious. May the most pious win.
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Lalmohan wrote:i am not sure that the RAPE will be given immigration papers by western countries en masse
They can still be hunted down to all the way to last living creature of their kind. They must know they will leave no lineage in this world .
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tight slap to munna's h&d

No Pak protest over gay event: US
WASHINGTON - The Obama administration on Tuesday endorsed the recent hosting by the American Embassy in Islamabad of the first-ever event to uphold the rights of gay, lesbians and transgender (GLBT), saying the US will continue to speak up for their rights.
We will speak out for what we think is right anywhere in the world, including Pakistan,” State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said while responding to a question about anti-US demonstrations across Pakistan protesting the event.
Asked whether the Pakistan government has lodged a formal complaint with the US over that event, she said, “Not that I’m aware of today.”
On June 26, the American Embassy in Islamabad hosted the controversial gay rights event at which US Charged’ Affaires Ambassador Richard Hoaglanand assured the Pakistani participants that Washington would continue to support their cause.
“I think you know how strongly this (State) Department and Secretary Clinton feels about these issues, that gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights, and that we will speak out for what we think is right anywhere in the world, including Pakistan,” the spokesperson added.
According to reports, with the New York victory for same-sex marriage fresh on the minds of homosexual activists, former Obama administration Chief of Staff and current Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel wants his town — and state — to keep up with the Big Apple. Emanuel “showed his support for the recently passed New York same-sex marriage law telling the leading American channel that he would support similar legislation in Illinois.
“Obama’s ally told Blitzer that he thought same-sex marriage is a “significant issue.”
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Shivji this is to your point on comparison between TSPA and Somalia/ Sudan

What Pakistan and Southern Sudan have in common
Southern Sudan’s secession serves as a grim reminder to countries like Pakistan – if the people’s voice is not heard and rights are not given, they will ultimately look for alternatives. The creation of Bangladesh is a glaring example of this. They democratically fought for their rights within the federation and finally separated, after being denied for 25 years.
Once, Pakistan was a new country too. Our fundamental reason for independence was the same – being outnumbered by a majority in United India, we thought we would be denied religious freedom and basic rights. Since independence however, religious minorities are being treated in the same manner.We have witnessed to bloodshed in recent years in the name of Islam, the so-called basis of the country’s creation.


Southern Sudan’ s secession should also remind us that Balochistan has supplied the rest of the country with coal, gas and minerals for over 60 years, yet remains the province with the lowest rate of development
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Kashi wrote:ajit_tr proved it comprehensibly that naam badal dene se paki ki pakistaaniyat nahin badal jaati. It's ridiculously easy to ferret out them wankers' paki soul with a few carefully chosen flamebaits.
Clown is banned, but he was most likely a paki who carries Indian passport. Dil se paki, passport se Indian. When convenient, such parasites become Indians and then again change color. He posted from Indian Hyd. Most likely a representative of those who hoist paki flags, sell/"marry" their sisters/daughters to pakis... those bunch of traitors who deserve to be thrown out of our motherland. These people bring bad name to the millions of our patriotic Indian Muslim brothers.
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surinder wrote:
SSridhar wrote:In the end, what did Jinnah & Co achieve except divest India of these rabid elements for which of course, we have to be grateful.
Grateful you can be, but giving 1/3 of India's land, loosing historical cities like Lahore of ancient India, getting one million killed in 47 riots, 10's of millions uprooted, loosing borders with Iran, A'stan, and of course having a nukkular threat on our throat.

If that is a price worth paying for getting rid of such people, then sure you can be grateful.
Yes Its totally worth it! I Lurv Jinnah! I even suspect Jinnah is an evil Brahminical trying to help India by doing this. The great Channakian that he was. :rotfl:
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The US embassy would host a GLBT event in Pakistan..but would not host a women driveathon in Saudi Arabia!

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"Musharraf" Alli Jinnah was one of greatest sons of India, a Shiv Bhakat who drank the Halahal all the way to his lungs. Separation from the land is temporary and will be restored to right owners in not so far future.
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Easy there. Dont get on LKA rath!
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Brad Goodman wrote:
What Pakistan and Southern Sudan have in common
Once, Pakistan was a new country too. Our fundamental reason for independence was the same – being outnumbered by a majority in United India, we thought we would be denied religious freedom and basic rights. Since independence however, religious minorities are being treated in the same manner.We have witnessed to bloodshed in recent years in the name of Islam, the so-called basis of the country’s creation.
There is a lot of difference between the partition of India and Sudan. We should be able to differentiate between the majority in both the cases pre-partion. Sudan had majority of radical Islamists where the minority Christians had only two options: to either be forcefully converted or to secede. That is not the case for the minority in pre-partion India. They chose to secede rather than it being the only acceptable option as it was wrt Sudanese christians.

I would go further a step and make the statement that being a minority in an Islamic state is many times more challenging than in any other state for that matter. So, the difference between Pakistan and South Sudan is simply, "they chose to" and "they had to" respectively.
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/08/spend ... -pakistan/
Spending blood and treasure on Pakistan
( Another Dung Beetle comes out to get the lifafa)
On November 26, 2008, in the afterglow of Barack Obama’s election, gunmen terrorized Mumbai, India’s financial capital, with a siege that claimed 166 lives. The event would have profound implications for the Obama presidency. Blame for the carnage was quickly laid at the doorstep of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), a Pakistani Islamist group long deemed a terrorist organization by the United States, and intelligence showed that LeT was known to sometimes train at camps in Pakistan with al-Qaeda and the Taliban.Amrullah Saleh, the former head of Afghan intelligence, argues that the focus of the American war on terror should be on Pakistan, not Afghanistan. The heart of the Taliban is in Pakistan, and it is from Pakistani sources, official and otherwise, that the Taliban draws support. Groups like LeT, and others, thrive in Pakistan; some of them are even creations of Pakistani intelligence. Al-Qaeda’s leadership has taken refuge in Pakistan for years.Despite the importance of the situation, there is no evidence of progress since President Obama took office. On the contrary, one episode after another has strained diplomatic relations between the United States and both Afghanistan and Pakistan. The fallout from the WikiLeaks scandal was ugly for American-Afghan relations, and American-Pakistani relations deteriorated in the wake of the January shooting of two Pakistanis in Lahore by an American. These incidents revealed deep resentment toward American policy before the bin Laden raid. Since the raid, U.S. relations with Pakistan have unraveled almost completely.

Incredibly, there is scant evidence that policy makers in Washington are even thinking about how to ease tensions between India and Pakistan. Therefore, there is no meaningful plan for Afghanistan or the region. When, for example, was the last time there was any official discussion about resolving the Kashmir dispute?To achieve U.S. security objectives, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India must be considered together as part of a regional strategy. American diplomatic efforts should focus intensively on resolving conflicts and disputes between India and Pakistan. To secure a safer world, while preserving our nation’s blood and treasure, U.S. actions ultimately must be realigned with U.S. interests.
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What is going on in Karachi?
I have been following twitter postings on Karachi. The impression I get is that this time it is the Mohajirs who are at the receiving end. ANP with the tacit approval of PPP seems to be doing most of the attacking. There are postings talking of 'orchestrated genocide of Mohajirs'
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This guy Munawar Hussain of Jamat-e-Islami says that Women should not report rape if there are no witnesses. Watch the video from 3:00 min.

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MQM recently split from the ruling alliance with PPP at the center while ANP is still with PPP. With the election less than 2 years away, I think these riots are a result of that political split along with an effort towards vote consolidation by respective parties of their key constituents. ANP will need to align with PPP if it wants to protect its supporters in Karachi and similarly Mohajirs will need to stick with MQM. Its usual politics with a hint of Pakiness added for taste and flavor. Its just my opinion and I could be misreading the whole situation.
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Just a hunch, but I think there may be more to the Karachi bloodletting than the ANP/PPP vs. MQM feud (even though that conflict itself has piled up some high body counts, in several incidents over the decades.)

Some points of speculation:

- Binori town is a Karachi neighbourhood that is the location of Jamia Uloom-ul-Islamia, one of the most potent and hardcore Deobandi madrassas where a lot of the Tanzeem cadres, as well as many of the original Taliban leaders, drew inspiration.

- As the US war in Afghanistan progressed, the Pakhtun population of Karachi has swelled in size, and become increasingly militarized. Many Taliban veterans and Pakhtun expats/refugees live there. Many more have moved there from the NWFP, Quetta and FATA. Nucleated around the Binori madrassa and other centers, are quasi-fortified Pakhtun ilakas which have been "no-go" areas for TSP security forces for many years now.

-There is little doubt that the Taliban, including TTP, must be present there in significant numbers. As the TTP became increasingly anti-TSPA, it was a foregone conclusion that the violent conflict which sprang up in the FATA and Swat over the last decade would eventually find its way to Karachi.

-Pakhtun neighbourhoods of Karachi were thus a time-bomb waiting to go off. They were also a minefield where Pakistani security forces feared to tread. Ultimately the situation could only be resolved by organized large-scale assault and urban warfare to cleanse these neighbourhoods. However, in recent years TSPA/ISI probably did not have the stomach for it on top of all their other worries (H&D, Lal Masjid, Baitullah Mehsud, drones etc.)

- The issue may have been forced at this time by the attack on PNS Mehran (and possibly intel about other such attacks, planned by Karachi-based TTP/AQAM assets against key TSPA/ISI interests.) The TSPA/ISI may have woken up and decided there is no option but to clean out the Pakhtun ilakas now, before it's too late.

- Thus it may be that TSPA/ISI are using the MQM as (non-state?) proxy actors to fight an urban war aimed at ethnic cleansing of Pakhtun neighbourhoods in Karachi... as part of their own national security initiative. Or, if Mohajirs are currently at the receiving end, maybe the Pakhtun groups of Karachi got wind of an impending assault by MQM/TSPA/ISI and attacked pre-emptively.

-ANP/PPP involvement might just be a case of opportunistic politicians trying to leverage an existing conflict for their electoral gains. But the underlying conflict may be nothing more than the next episode of Pakistan's Pakhtun Civil War.

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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2

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While searching for something else I stummbled across this gem of an article. Although nothing new here for many of us about Jinnah for we already have known what kind of person he was, it is never the less interesting to read it from a non-South Asian reporter's point of view. If they (West) had figured out what Pakistan was all about, then why does the West continue to prop it to this very day? You guessed it...to continue to keep the pot boiling in South Asia and the pukis are perfect baffoons to help keep kindling the fire.


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"The Quaid-i-Azam has a bad cold:" Margaret Bourke-White's piercingly accurate report on 1947 Pakistan and its lessons for today.

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Many thanks to the reader who sent a link to excerpts from Margaret Bourke-White's 1949 book, Halfway to Freedom, and which I republish in this post. The book was based on dispatches Bourke-White filed for LIFE magazine on post-Independence India and Pakistan. The excerpts deal with the earliest days of Pakistan and the last days of its founding father (pictured above with Mohandas K. Gandhi), Muhammad Ali Jinnah (1876-1948), the Quaid-i-Azam ("great leader").

Margaret Bourke-White (1904-1964) was the first female war correspondent and the first female journalist to report from combat zones in World War Two. Her legacy has been so greatly colored by her photojournalism -- her photographs of the war, American industry, the Depression era, and the horrors of Buchenwald concentration camp and India's partition -- that it can be hard to remember she was also a great reporter.

She was also an extraordinarily lucky person, who often found herself at the right place at the right time to report on events that would be of historical importance. She interviewed Gandhi just a few hours before his assassination, and learned of Jinnah's mental state shortly before his own death simply because she'd been waiting around his official residence to make a photographic portrait of him for a LIFE cover. Yet she always shored her luck with careful observations. It is downright eerie to read her reporting about 1947 Pakistan and its founding father in light of today's Pakistan.

The excerpts from her book will also educate readers who've bought the fiction that Pakistan's religious extremism is rooted in the 1980s policies of General Mohammad Zia ul-Haq. Pakistan was born in religious extremism that was nurtured and exploited by Jinnah and the ruling families he served. Zia simply painted a Saudi face on the extremism.

Bourke-White couldn't see around history's corners, however. By the time Halfway to Freedom was published Pakistan's leaders had already been granted the wish they'd expressed to her to receive support from the U.S. government.

Jinnah and the other Indian Muslims who wanted a separate state couldn't see around corners, either -- a point I made in The Ghost. Bourke-White's reportage makes clear just how short-sighted the decision was to break with India. It's all very well and good to ask, What were they thinking? But in 1936, when Jinnah revived the Muslim League, no one could imagine the collapse of the British Empire, the seeming suddenness of the collapse and how imminent it was. At the time all the problems that an imagined Islamic nation would face were to be smoothed over by the might of the British Empire.

By the time Margaret Bourke-White took her last photographs of Pakistan's founder it was clear that he'd staked the lives of many millions of people on an illusion. But that was seen only with hindsight, in the harsh dawn of the post-World War Two era.

The excerpts from Halfway to Freedom are provided by the Indian Relief and Education Fund website along with their introduction:
The Messiah and The Promised Land

Margaret Bourke-White was a correspondent and photographer for LIFE magazine during the WW II years. In September 1947, White went to Pakistan. She met Jinnah and wrote about what she found and heard in her book "Halfway to Freedom: A Report on the New India," Simon and Schuster, New York, 1949. The following are the excerpts:

Pakistan was one month old. Karachi was its mushrooming capital. On the sandy fringes of the city an enormous tent colony had grown up to house the influx of minor government officials. There was only one major government official, Mahomed Ali Jinnah, and there was no need for Jinnah to take to a tent. The huge marble and sandstone Government House, vacated by British officialdom, was waiting. The Quaid-i-Azam ["Great Leader"] moved in, with his sister, Fatima, as hostess.

Mr. Jinnah had put on what his critics called his "triple crown": he had made himself Governor-General; he was retaining the presidency of the Muslim League -- now Pakistan's only political party; and he was president of the country's lawmaking body, the Constituent Assembly.

"We never expected to get it so soon," Miss Fatima said when I called. "We never expected to get it in our lifetimes."

If Fatima's reaction was a glow of family pride, her brother's was a fever of ecstasy. Jinnah's deep-sunk eyes were pinpoints of excitement. His whole manner indicated that an almost overwhelming exaltation was racing through his veins. I had murmured some words of congratulation on his achievement in creating the world's largest Islamic nation.

"Oh, it's not just the largest Islamic nation. Pakistan is the fifth-largest nation in the world!"

The note of personal triumph was so unmistakable that I wondered how much thought he gave to the human cost: more Muslim lives had been sacrificed to create the new Muslim homeland than America, for example, had lost during the entire second World War. I hoped he had a constructive plan for the seventy million citizens of Pakistan. What kind of constitution did he intend to draw up?

Of course it will be a democratic constitution; Islam is a democratic religion."

I ventured to suggest that the term "democracy" was often loosely used these days. Could he define what he had in mind?

"Democracy is not just a new thing we are learning," said Jinnah. "It is in our blood. We have always had our system of zakat -- our obligation to the poor."

This confusion of democracy with charity troubled me. I begged him to be more specific.

"Our Islamic ideas have been based on democracy and social justice since the thirteenth century."

This mention of the thirteenth century troubled me still more. Pakistan has other relics of the Middle Ages besides "social justice" -- the remnants of a feudal land system, for one. What would the new constitution do about that? ...

"The land belongs to the God," says the Koran.

This would need clarification in the constitution. Presumably Jinnah, the lawyer, would be just the person to correlate the "true Islamic principles" one heard so much about in Pakistan with the new nation's laws. But all he would tell me was that the constitution would be democratic because "the soil is perfectly fertile for democracy."

What plans did he have for the industrial development of the country? Did he hope to enlist technical or financial assistance from America?

"America needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs America," was Jinnah's reply. "Pakistan is the pivot of the world, as we are placed" -- he revolved his long forefinger in bony circles -- "the frontier on which the future position of the world revolves."

He leaned toward me, dropping his voice to a confidential note. "Russia," confided Mr. Jinnah, "is not so very far away."

This had a familiar ring. In Jinnah's mind this brave new nation had no other claim on American friendship than this -- that across a wild tumble of roadless mountain ranges lay the land of the Bolsheviks.

I wondered whether the Quaid-i-Azam considered his new state only as an armored buffer between opposing major powers. He was stressing America's military interest in other parts of the world.

"America is now awakened," he said with a satisfied smile. Since the United States was now bolstering up Greece and Turkey, she should be much more interested in pouring money and arms into Pakistan.

"If Russia walks in here," he concluded, "the whole world is menaced."

In the weeks to come I was to hear the Quaid-i-Azam's thesis echoed by government officials throughout Pakistan.

"Surely America will build up our army," they would say to me. "Surely America will give us loans to keep Russia from walking in."

But when I asked whether there were any signs of Russian infiltration, they would reply almost sadly, as though sorry not to be able to make more of the argument, "No, Russia has shown no signs of being interested in Pakistan."

This hope of tapping the U. S. Treasury was voiced so persistently that one wondered whether the purpose was to bolster the world against Bolshevism or to bolster Pakistan's own uncertain position as a new political entity.

Actually, I think, it was more nearly related to the even more significant bankruptcy of ideas in the new Muslim state -- a nation drawing its spurious warmth from the embers of an antique religious fanaticism, fanned into a new blaze.

Jinnah's most frequently used technique in the struggle for his new nation had been the playing of opponent against opponent. Evidently this technique was now to be extended into foreign policy. ....

No one would have been more astonished than Jinnah if he could have foreseen thirty or forty years earlier that anyone would ever speak of him as a "savior of Islam."

In those days any talk of religion brought a cynical smile. He condemned those who talked in terms of religious rivalries, and in the stirring period when the crusade for freedom began sweeping the country he was hailed as "the embodied symbol of Hindu-Muslim unity."

The gifted Congresswoman, Mrs. Naidu, one of Jinnah's closest friends, wrote poems extolling his role as the great unifier in the fight for independence.

"Perchance it is written in the book of the future," ran one of her tributes, "that he, in some terrible crisis of our national struggle, will pass into immortality" as the hero of "the Indian liberation."

In the "terrible crisis," Mahomed Ali Jinnah was to pass into immortality, not as the ambassador of unity, but as the deliberate apostle of discord. What caused this spectacular renunciation of the concept of a united India, to which he had dedicated the greater part of his life? No one knows exactly.

The immediate occasion for the break, in the mid-thirties, was his opposition to Gandhi's civil disobedience program. Nehru says that Jinnah "disliked the crowds of ill-dressed people who filled the Congress" and was not at home with the new spirit rising among the common people under Gandhi's magnetic leadership.

Others say it was against his legal conscience to accept Gandhi's program. One thing is certain: the break with Gandhi, Nehru, and the other Congress leaders was not caused by any Hindu-Muslim issue.

In any case, Jinnah revived the moribund Muslim League in 1936 after it had dragged through an anemic thirty years' existence, and took to the religious soapbox. He began dinning into the ears of millions of Muslims the claim that they were downtrodden solely because of Hindu domination.

During the years directly preceding this move on his part, an unprecedented degree of unity had developed between Muslims and Hindus in their struggle for independence from the British Raj. The British feared this unity, and used their divide-and-rule tactics to disrupt it. Certain highly-placed Indians also feared unity, dreading a popular movement which would threaten their special position.

Then another decisive factor arose. Although Hindus had always been ahead of Muslims in the industrial sphere, the great Muslim feudal landlords now had aspirations toward industry. From these wealthy Muslims, who resented the well-established Hindu competition, Jinnah drew his powerful supporters.

One wonders whether Jinnah was fighting to free downtrodden Muslims from domination or merely to gain an earmarked area, free from competition, for this small and wealthy clan.

The trend of events in Pakistan would support the theory that Jinnah carried the banner of the Muslim landed aristocracy, rather than that of the Muslim masses he claimed to champion. There was no hint of personal material gain in this. Jinnah was known to be personally incorruptible, a virtue which gave him a great strength with both poor and rich. The drive for personal wealth played no part in his politics. It was a drive for power. ...

Less than three months after Pakistan became a nation, Jinnah's Olympian assurance had strangely withered. His altered condition was not made public.

"The Quaid-i-Azam has a bad cold" was the answer given to inquiries.

Only those closest to him knew that the "cold" was accompanied by paralyzing inability to make even the smallest decisions, by sullen silences striped with outbursts of irritation, by a spiritual numbness concealing something close to panic underneath. I knew it only because I spent most of this trying period at Government House, attempting to take a new portrait of Jinnah for a Life cover.

The Quaid-i-Azam was still revered as a messiah and deliverer by most of his people. But the "Great Leader" himself could not fail to know that all was not well in his new creation, the nation; the nation that his critics referred to as the "House that Jinnah built."

The separation from the main body of India had been in many ways an unrealistic one. Pakistan raised 75 per cent of the world's jute supply; the processing mills were all in India. Pakistan raised one third of the cotton of India, but it had only one thirtieth of the cotton mills. Although it produced the bulk of Indian skins and hides, all the leather tanneries were in South India. The new state had no paper mills, few iron foundries. Rail and road facilities, insufficient at best, were still choked with refugees.

Pakistan has a superbly fertile soil, and its outstanding advantage is self-sufficiency in food, but this was threatened by the never-ending flood of refugees who continued pouring in long after the peak of the religious wars had passed.

With his burning devotion to his separate Islamic nation, Jinnah had taken all these formidable obstacles in his stride. But the blow that finally broke his spirit struck at the very name of Pakistan. While the literal meaning of the name is "Land of the Pure," the word is a compound of initial letters of the Muslim majority provinces which Jinnah had expected to incorporate: P for the Punjab, A for the Afghans' area on the Northwest Frontier, S for Sind, -tan for Baluchistan. But the K was missing.

Kashmir, India's largest princely state, despite its 77 per cent Muslim population, had not fallen into the arms of Pakistan by the sheer weight of religious majority. Kashmir had acceded to India, and although it was now the scene of an undeclared war between the two nations, the fitting of the K into Pakistan was left in doubt. With the beginning of this torturing anxiety over Kashmir, the Quaid-i-Azam's siege of bad colds began, and then his dismaying withdrawal into himself. ....

Later, reflecting on what I had seen, I decided that this desperation was due to causes far deeper than anxiety over Pakistan's territorial and economic difficulties. I think that the tortured appearance of Mr. Jinnah was an indication that, in these final months of his life, he was adding up his own balance sheet.

Analytical, brilliant, and no bigot, he knew what he had done. Like Doctor Faustus, he had made a bargain from which he could never be free. During the heat of the struggle he had been willing to call on all the devilish forces of superstition, and now that his new nation had been achieved the bigots were in the position of authority. The leaders of orthodoxy and a few "old families" had the final word and to perpetuate their power, were seeing to it that the people were held in the deadening grip of religious superstition.

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