Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

surinder · Post by **surinder** » 09 Jul 2011 03:03

shiv wrote:That leaves a whole lot of people who might favor option 2. Option 2 is, in my view not a serious option as things stand. It is one thing to talk of balls and spine and courage. it is another matter to contribute to war directly

Shiv, for the brave and courageous, there are many options---more than the ones you listed; some combinations of them as well. But for the cowardly, there is only one option---keep giving land for peace.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Jul 2011 03:45

Luxtor wrote:While searching for something else I stummbled across this gem of an article. ]

Dude, you are like the person who's heard the entire Ramayana and asked who is Sita. Or perhaps you haven't heard the Ramayana at all. Anyway, go to page 1 of every Paki thread, and look at the first link in the first post...

Luxtor · Post by **Luxtor** » 09 Jul 2011 04:38

^^^

My point was recently I stumbled across the article, not the idea or concept of what Pakistan is or Jinnah's intentions in creating it. How you drew the conclusion that I do or do not know about Ramayana, Sita, Rama, Hanuman is beyond me. It has been 50 + years since Pakistan was created and we're still talking about it, we continue to refer to it as terrorist state. The title Terrorist State of Pakistan (TSP) is rather redundant unto itself but we still make it a point to refer to it in such a way and have this entire thread and other threads to discuss the subject. So we all know what Pakistan is and all this is just an interesting passtime.... Dude! No need to be judgemental.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 09 Jul 2011 05:10

shiv wrote:The following links are background articles on Pakistan.

UNDERSTANDING PAKISTAN:

Jinnah's Pakistan: An Interview with MA Jinnah, and how the Pakistan of Yesterday is the Pakistan of Today
http://iref.homestead.com/Messiah.html
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Luxtor bhai, as I said, first link on first page or every Paki thread contains the article you discovered. Anyway, no offence meant. Glad you enjoyed the article. Have a good weekend.

vina · Post by **vina** » 09 Jul 2011 05:25

A Paki passport seems to be the absolute sure shot way to be led out in handcuffs . Being a RAPE or not doesn't seem to matter anymore!

Qadrified Guv'nor Tasser's Paki son and newly wed wife escorted from a plane in handcuffs in response to a telephone hijacking threat that turned out to be a hoax

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Jul 2011 05:40

Pak's perfidy further exposed,aand its predictable reaction,lying with its rotten teeth!

Today's Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world

Pakistani generals 'helped sell nuclear secrets'
• North Korea paid senior figures $3.5m, letter claims
• AQ Khan 'wants to set the historical record straight'
Pakistan 'sanctioned' killing of journalist, says US commander
Pakistan hits back at US commander over journalist's murder claim

Islamabad denounces as 'irresponsible' comments by Admiral Mike Mullen that it sanctioned Syed Saleem Shahzad's killing

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 09 Jul 2011 05:44

RAPE/RAPETTE list in Lahore.
http://whoiswhoinlahore.blogspot.com

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 09 Jul 2011 07:00

Battleground Karachi: the Orangi township

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jul 2011 07:13

Suppiah wrote: Let's be practical Surinder babu...then only way to get rid of so many fanatic barbarians in such a short time period is to give territory...the other way(s) requires someone like Hitler....and we had Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru...the tens of millions 'uprooted' are now contributing to our economy and culture...and the ones killed are martyrs for a good cause...we can never forget them...and the best way to do so is not to let these barbaric animals come back thru' the back door in the name of 'aman ki tamasha'

+1.

arun · Post by **arun** » 09 Jul 2011 07:15

X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Following the Mohammadden religion in an IEDological Muslim State and Islamic Republic claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent brings no succour for the Balochi’s / Baluchi’s.

Peter Tatchell on the oppression of the Baloch / Baluchi by the Punjabi dominated security forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan:

Saturday, July 09, 2011

Pakistan: Secret, dirty killings in Balochistan

Peter G Tatchell

Pakistan’s secret, dirty killings in the province of Balochistan are escalating, according to the Asian Human Rights Commission.

Since the beginning of this year, at least 36 Baloch journalists, writers, human rights defenders, students, nationalists and political activists have been killed extrajudicially. Pakistan’s security services are accused of orchestrating the murders, in a bid to crush Baloch nationalism.

This intensified wave of repression is corroborated by Amnesty International. It has documented the disappearance or murder of 90 persons in ‘kill and dump’ attacks between last November and February 2011. …………………………….

Huffington Post

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jul 2011 07:17

The origins of Karachi's wars

Breaking Karachi's cycle of violence

Pakistan Condemns Mullen’s Statement on Journalist’s Killing

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 09 Jul 2011 07:32

pgbhat wrote:RAPE/RAPETTE list in Lahore.
http://whoiswhoinlahore.blogspot.com

Thanks for an interesting list. Interesting to see the educational background of these Packees. Leaving out Shabaz Sharif (possibly uneducated), other politicians and a few actors/sports persons whose education is not listed

In this list of 15:

9 have studied abroad
5 have done law
3 have done commerce
2 have dome journalism
2 Engineers - both from outside Pakhanastan
Some have done business degrees - including one from Wharton.

It strikes me that a very small percentage of RAPE have science backgrounds. It appears that science and engineering education in Pakistan may not be that strong - and certainly does not appear to be favored among the congenitally rich Packees. Industry leaders in the list often do not have technical/science backgrounds at all.

That IMO tells us something about Pakistan

Mian Umer Mansha - completed his education from Babson College, Boston, USA. He is one of the Directors & Chief Executive of Nishat Mills Limited, director of Adamjee Insurance Company. & a member of Pakistan Business Council. Umer Mansha had been the director on the boards of MCB Bank Limited and MCB Asset Management Company Limited.
Mian Hassan Mansha is the Chief Executive & Managing Director of Pakistan Aviators & Aviation (Pvt.) Limited. He completed his education from USA
Ali Munir has a BA degree from Government College Lahore and an LLB degree from the University of Punjab, Lahore. He has over thirty years experience as a Chartered Accountant. He is a member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales and the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Pakistan.
Mr. Rizvi brings with him a rich professional and academic experience. He holds a Master’s degree in Economics and LLB from the University of Punjab.
Rtn. Shehzad Ahmed District Governor 3271, received his early education from Cadet College Hasanabdal, <snip>. He was the Wing Commander (the best cadet) during his final year (F.Sc). He received his B.S. and M.S. in Industrial Engineering from Iowa State University, USA.
Mr. Tariq Sayeed Saigol is the chairman of Kohinoor Maple Leaf Group. He is a member of the reputed Saigol Family who pioneered in Textile manufacturing after partition and later ventured into the financial sector, chemicals, synthetic fibres, sugar, edible oil refining, civil engineering, construction, cement and energy. Mr. Saigol was schooled at Aitchison College, Lahore and graduated from Government College, Lahore following which, he studied Law at University Law College, Lahore.
Syed Muhammad Munir Jilani M.A Journalism with Roll of Honour, from Punjab University Lahore,
Dr Ahmad Jan Durrani is the Vice Chancellor and Professor of Engineering at Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS) . Dr Durrani received his BS in Civil Engineering with gold medal from the University of Engineering and Technology Lahore; MS in Structural Engineering from the Asian Institute of Technology Bangkok; PhD in Structural Engineering from the University of Michigan, and MBA from the University of Houston.
Tariq Asmat holds a Master of Commerce Post Graduate Degree from University of the Punjab
Dr. Muhammad Shahid Amin Khan <snip> He studied at Central Model School Lahore and completed his graduation from Government Collage Lahore-Pakistan, in 1984. He did postgraduate studies in Journalism at the Punjab University Lahore, Pakistan. Dr. Khan did Ph.D. in International Cultural & Law from I.A.I France (U.K. Brighton University Campus) in 1996.
Moonis Elahi is a 3rd generation politician. e studied at Lahore American School, where he studied till 10th grade and from there he moved to the London campus of the same school and graduated from there. He went to pursue his higher education from Wharton School of Business, Pennsylvania USA and did his BBA from there.
Ayesha Sana is one of the most beautiful,hot and bold compeer,model and TV actress in Pakistan showbiz industry.Ayesha Sana was born in 1972 in Lahore.She graduated from convent of Jesus and Mary in Dehli,India and attended Kinnaird College in Lahore, where she studied law and went on to get an external law degree at the university of London.
Mr Salman Siddique is a nominated Director in Pakistan International Airlines Corporation since March, 2009. He holds Masters Degrees in English from Punjab University, Social Sciences and Planning from London School of Economics & Political Science from University of London.
Liaqat Baloch hails from a far-flung area of Muzaffar Gar. He was born in December1952 in Multan. He holds Master Degree in Mass Communication in addition to LLB from University of the Punjab.
Juggan Kazim (born Jan 07, 1981) Real name Mehr Bano also known as Jay Kazim, She grew up in Lahore, Punjab, Pakistan with an elder sister and a younger brother. She went to Lahore Grammar School, and then to Kinnaird College to do her FA. After completing that, she briefly attended the Kings College, an affiliate of University of Western Ontario in Canada where she claims to have pursued Bachelor of Arts in Media. Kazim moved to Lahore, Pakistan.
M Nazakat Ali Khan Studied at Sindh Muslim Law Collge (sic: spelling as is on Facebook page)

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jul 2011 07:36

surinder wrote: Shiv, for the brave and courageous, there are many options---more than the ones you listed; some combinations of them as well. But for the cowardly, there is only one option---keep giving land for peace.

And what are those options for "the brave and courageous"? It is easy to be cryptic.

Samudragupta · Post by **Samudragupta** » 09 Jul 2011 07:49

Pasthuns are taking over Pakistan...this is the essence of everrything that is happenning in Pakistan.....

Tensions rise in Karachi as Pashtuns flee battle zones

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwid ... ttle-zones

Pakjabis and Sindhis and off course the Mohajirs....where will you go this time????

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Jul 2011 07:51

pgbhat wrote:RAPE/RAPETTE list in Lahore.
http://whoiswhoinlahore.blogspot.com

Why are there no logicians in this list? I heard the city was famous for its Logic?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Jul 2011 07:58

Pashtuns have no future in TSP. The best course for them is to merge their homeland with Afghan and form alliance with the Baloch's so that a free Balochistan guarantees them and rest of Afghan access to the sea without begging Pakjabi animals in Lawhore. That would also provide India better access to Iranian gas and Central Asia..we could run pipes from Gwadar instead of via TSP land.

Hope GOI wakes up and does the needful together with western powers..

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Jul 2011 08:02

Anujan wrote:
pgbhat wrote:RAPE/RAPETTE list in Lahore.
http://whoiswhoinlahore.blogspot.com
Why are there no logicians in this list? I heard the city was famous for its Logic?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jul 2011 08:15

Taliban deny hand in attack on convoy

MIRAMSHAH: The Taliban leadership in North Waziristan has reacted sharply to a recent bomb attack on a convoy in the area, saying the US agents — not the Taliban militants —had attacked the military personnel to achieve their own objectives.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 09 Jul 2011 08:18

Officials say ‘50 killed’ in Kurram offensive

PESHAWAR: Officials said Friday that a four-day air and ground offensive against militants in the Kurram tribal district had left 42 enemy fighters and eight soldiers dead.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Jul 2011 08:20

Something must be done to protect Pashtuns in Karachi, at least those of the ANP variety.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 09 Jul 2011 08:21

shiv wrote: [*]Ayesha Sana is one of the most beautiful,hot and bold compeer,model and TV actress in Pakistan showbiz industry.Ayesha Sana was born in 1972 in Lahore.She graduated from convent of Jesus and Mary in Dehli,India and attended Kinnaird College in Lahore, where she studied law and went on to get an external law degree at the university of London.

How could that be? Was one of her parents a diplomat posted in India?

I am aware that few Porkis have pursued some form of education in India, but to the best of my knowledge that has largely been restricted to religious studies- I believe there are (and have been) a fair few Pakis at Deoband or Nadwa.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Jul 2011 08:23

Spate of honest articles on Porkistan has become now the norm in US media..

After less than one year of independence from Britain, Balochistan was invaded and annexed by Pakistan in 1948, against the wishes of its people.

Huffington Post on Paki extra Judicial killings in Baluchistan

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 09 Jul 2011 08:26

archan wrote:
Kashi wrote:ajit_tr proved it comprehensibly that naam badal dene se paki ki pakistaaniyat nahin badal jaati. It's ridiculously easy to ferret out them wankers' paki soul with a few carefully chosen flamebaits.
Clown is banned, but he was most likely a paki who carries Indian passport. Dil se paki, passport se Indian. When convenient, such parasites become Indians and then again change color. He posted from Indian Hyd. Most likely a representative of those who hoist paki flags, sell/"marry" their sisters/daughters to pakis... those bunch of traitors who deserve to be thrown out of our motherland. These people bring bad name to the millions of our patriotic Indian Muslim brothers.

Their are ways of falsifying IP. If you are sure he has not used a proxy server would not it be appropriate to inform the authorities to monitor him ? He might be a sleeper cell ISI/LET guy or a SIMI activist. The consistent manner in which he supported TSP I would not be surprised that he has affiliations to these organizations .

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 09 Jul 2011 11:22

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... s-the-bill

American expensive tubelight moment.

Pakistan fits the bill
By Malik Muhammad Ashraf | Published: July 9, 2011
There is a growing feeling in the higher echelons of the US administration, intellectual circles, political elite and media that America’s strategy in Afghanistan has failed and there is an imperative need for another strategic review. Those who subscribe to this view argue that the war in Afghanistan has gone wrong because Pakistan, despite being an ally of the US, has played a double game by extracting billions of dollars from America to fight terrorism and simultaneously maintained its links with the Taliban and tolerated the presence of Al-Qaeda leadership on its soil. They allege that Pakistan is more focused on India than Afghanistan or the threat of terrorism.

According to Arthur Herman, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, a former CIA and National Security Council official Bruce Riedel has convinced President Barack Obama that the focus of the war on terror needs to shift from Afghanistan to Pakistan. Herman contended that the irony is that even as Obama was trying to get out of the war in Afghanistan, he might be heading the US into one in Pakistan - a move reminiscent of USA’s strategy in Laos in the 1960s - one of the springboards into the Vietnam quagmire.

An eminent journalist, Bob Woodwards, in his book titled Obama’s Wars also quoted the US President as having said, during his war strategy review, that “we need to make clear to people that the cancer is in Pakistan.” It is feared that the Obama administration, who is facing the increasing political pressure from congressmen to do something and is stuck in a quagmire of its own making might look for a scapegoat - preferably a foreign one - and Pakistan fits the bill.

Another development that strengthens these fears is an article by Zalmay Khalilzad published in the Washington Times a few days ago, in which he has accused Pakistan of maintaining strong links with the militants and suggested the use of coercive methods, like curbing military assistance, mobilisation coordinated financial pressure against Pakistan through allies and the IMF, expand military operations against insurgents in the country, and accelerate security ties with India as part of the containment regime against Pakistan. Yet, another troubling development is the news story published in the Washington Post in which the US administration, reportedly, has accused the ISI of murdering a Pakistani journalist, Saleem Shahzad. These two media initiatives are connected with each other and could be part of USA’s tactics to prepare ground for the implementation of its contemplated new strategy of shifting the focus of the war towards Pakistan. These are very ominous portents and one finds it hard to take issue with those who believe that the US strategic goals in the region are inimical to our national and security interests. That the US initiative of military incursion into Pakistan could destabilise the country, besides jeopardising the safety of our nuclear assets, ought to be taken seriously.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 09 Jul 2011 11:35

[url=XXXhttp://www.dawn.com/2011/07/09/death-toll-in-k ... o-102.html]karachi toll reaches century[/url]

more guns, bombs to these guys. But what are they fighting for?

So I guess fake Indian currency printing press in Karachi must be affected by this. Good.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Jul 2011 11:55

^ No the fake Indian currency notes are printed 24x7x365 in the Govt Printing Presses in Quetta. Unless they've started in Karachi, i assume it continues under full production at Quetta still.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jul 2011 12:34

abhijitm wrote:So I guess fake Indian currency printing press in Karachi must be affected by this. Good.

harbans wrote:No the fake Indian currency notes are printed 24x7x365 in the Govt Printing Presses in Quetta. Unless they've started in Karachi, i assume it continues under full production at Quetta still.

Harbans, Quetta has been a great source of FICN, no doubt. But, the one at Malir, Karachi has also come in a very big way. From being a transit point for FICN, Karachi has evolved into a production centre as well.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 09 Jul 2011 13:02

surinder wrote:
shiv wrote:That leaves a whole lot of people who might favor option 2. Option 2 is, in my view not a serious option as things stand. It is one thing to talk of balls and spine and courage. it is another matter to contribute to war directly
Shiv, for the brave and courageous, there are many options---more than the ones you listed; some combinations of them as well. But for the cowardly, there is only one option---keep giving land for peace.

Surinder ji , This is exactly the point.A person who is courageous will never run out of options.But then again dhimmification of India(atleast the ruling elite) is almost complete.Until unless we reverse this dhimmification process we will achieve anything.And this reversification process will take time,resources and initiative.

Today India's position is like that of a wrestler who is extremely strong but who also lacks confidence and courage.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 09 Jul 2011 13:12

Abhijit/ Sridhar Ji you're right. Just some recent reports on the malaise i dug up. One from today:

http://www.dailypioneer.com/331830/Pak- ... rency.html

http://www.kashmirherald.com/main.php?t=OP&st=D&no=382

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 09 Jul 2011 13:15

For Pakistanis, the fascination with Turkey never ceases
Pakistanis want to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon. From British, to the US, to the Chinese. With the monarchies of the Lands of the Sands in turbulence, some of them want to switch allegiance to Turkey, once again. Of course, from Qaid-e-Azam to Musharraf, everybody spoke of Kemal Ataturk as a role model.

There are similarities between Pakistan and Turkey. {Imaginary, but rubbish otherwise. Pakistan is very unique and one-of-a-kind.} The Kurdish problem, for instance, is much like the Baloch issue, spreading across the borders of more than one country, and plaguing Turkish politics for a long time. And, as it seems from the results of last month’s elections, Turkey is moving towards a more inclusive civilian constitution, which is likely to settle the Kurdish question.

On the other hand, when it comes to their relations with neighbouring countries, Pakistan and Turkey have had a similar past — the present however is in glaring contrast. While Turkey has evolved as a successful model, Pakistan is still dragging on with its Cold War policy baggage. The Turkish doctrine of ‘zero-problems policy with neighbours’ is an excellent working model for Pakistan. Pakistan needs, desperately, vigorous measures that would open up avenues of economic and cultural integration with Iran and perhaps, to some extent, with India as well. Pakistan could benefit both strategically and economically by adopting the soft-power image of Turkey. However, such an image could only come by providing legitimacy to political governments and by adopting a sufficiently independent foreign policy.

Pakistan, now more than ever, needs to re-think its allegiances. In the Middle East, the Arab world is now moving towards a Turko-Persian future. The protestors on the Arab street are ready to embrace Turkey as a long-lost brother. Turkish influence in the Middle East is a favour over the old and waning western, and Saudi spheres of influence. Pakistan needs to start managing its relations in the region accordingly.

Moreover, events in Syria and Bahrain show that Iran is now marking its territory as well. Saudi Arabia has had a hard time countering the Iranian overtures. Its diplomatic efforts, after the onset of the Arab Spring, have been frantic and desperate. Aligning solely with the aging house of Saud, no matter how close it is to the Pakistani establishment, presents a less favourable scenario than an approach that manages both Iran and Saudi Arabia in a more balanced way — just like Turkey has done.

In the eyes of western analysts, the increasing influence of Turkey (and to a lesser extent Iran) through the past decade is a move towards rebuilding an empire. What is alleged as ‘neo-Ottomanism’ is often used to criticise Ahmet Davutoglu’s doctrine on the Turkish sphere of influence. This, coupled with the ‘Shia crescent’, a reference to the Iranian influence through the Shia population in Bahrain, Lebanon and eastern Saudi Arabia, is likely to define the modern identity of the Middle East — a populist and independent identity. Pakistan, which is ideologically more on the periphery of the Middle East than that of South Asia, should identify its role in this emerging order, before it is too late.

An overhauling of the system is needed. There is no harm in redesigning Pakistan’s democracy and none whatsoever in coming up with a new foreign policy.

Suhas H · Post by **Suhas H** » 09 Jul 2011 13:56

Well, Turkey has good relations with Israel, economically and militarily they were strained last year of course with the Gaza issue.

Let's see if the Islamic folks will be happy with an allegiance with Turkey that has good relations with a Jewish state.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Jul 2011 15:20

abhijitm wrote:[url=XXXhttp://www.dawn.com/2011/07/09/death-toll-in-k ... o-102.html]karachi toll reaches century[/url]. More guns, bombs to these guys. But what are they fighting for?

Remember that famous threat made by the Bush Administration to Mushy? "We'll bomb you to Stone Age"? Well, forget stone age, the pakis are well on their way to the jurassic age. See below (a moment in time captured on film recently n K'rachi):

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 09 Jul 2011 15:25

Suhas H wrote:Well, Turkey has good relations with Israel, economically and militarily they were strained last year of course with the Gaza issue.

Let's see if the Islamic folks will be happy with an allegiance with Turkey that has good relations with a Jewish state.

The main reason, why Turkey is all of a sudden again interesting to the Islamists, is because of the success of AKP, but mostly because of the worsening of relations between Turkey and Israel, culminating in the Gaza Flotilla episode.

...and not despite it.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Jul 2011 15:56

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap ... ?hpt=hp_t2

88 KIA in kraachi this week so far.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Jul 2011 16:21

So let the cracks between the Pakjabis,Sindhis,Mohaji an Baluchis widen further-thanks to the asinine policies of the Paki establishment,and we will hopfuly see a few more new states on the global map appear like S.Sudan!

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 09 Jul 2011 16:53

Singha wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiap ... ?hpt=hp_t2. 88 KIA in kraachi this week so far.

Too late. You took your eyes of the ball and the score went up to 102.

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 09 Jul 2011 16:55

Pranav wrote:Something must be done to protect Pashtuns in Karachi, at least those of the ANP variety.

I pooocch
Why this lubh for Pashtoons of ANP...?

Why not have beer and popcorn and enjoy.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jul 2011 16:59

RSoami wrote: I pooocch
Why this lubh for Pashtoons of ANP...?
Why not have beer and popcorn and enjoy.

Yeah...I think they were sent to J&K in 1947. right?

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 09 Jul 2011 17:05

Yes.and they kill Indian road workers in Afghanistan.
Bomb Indian embassies.
The pashtoons are anti India..If they get killed in Karachi they will get more of them from their supply dump in FATA..but if the mohajirs are gone, they have no reserve and all our fun will be gone. I want the Mohajirs to keep up the good work.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 09 Jul 2011 17:56

SSridhar wrote:For Pakistanis, the fascination with Turkey never ceases
Pakistanis want to jump from bandwagon to bandwagon. From British, to the US, to the Chinese. With the monarchies of the Lands of the Sands in turbulence, some of them want to switch allegiance to Turkey, once again. Of course, from Qaid-e-Azam to Musharraf, everybody spoke of Kemal Ataturk as a role model.

When a whore wants to settle down and find a husband, she has to do so in another city or country...not in the same place. Our Pakibaric animal neighbours are fairly well known in Arap world where they are seen as scum, so try another corner where they are not so well known (other than that their president engaged hookers and never paid for them

). If Turkey fails they will discover their Malaysian roots perhaps, but then they are well known there too..