Discussion on Indian Epics, Texts, Treatises & Kathas

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 02 Jul 2011 09:58

Ancient India was more Technologically advanced than the West

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcQd3GjFNLQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... sXwJdaHZ8g

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jul 2011 20:27

Get ready to lose Nyaya branch of Hindu philosophy!!!

Classical Indian Philosophy of Induction: The Nyaya Viewpoint
Lexington Books | May 16, 2010 | ISBN-10: 0739122762 | 328 pages |

The work gives a survey of major contemporary, western and Indian views on the problem of induction and offers a solution to the classical problem of induction and the Grue paradox following the Nyaya perspective. The main focus is on Gangesa, the founder of Navya Nyaya, but other views including those of Buddhists, Jains, Vedantins, Carvaka, Hume, Russell, Reichenbach, Carnap, Popper, Goodman, and Quine are also discussed.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2011 22:19

A request. Where is the link for the e-book on Arthasashtra by Shyama Sastry?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 06 Jul 2011 22:47

Arthasastra of Kautilya in PDF

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2011 22:50

Thnks, However am looking for the Shyama Sastry translation into English.

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 06 Jul 2011 23:02

Aditya_V wrote: I think this anther one of Bogus interpretation of Bhagavatam, look above it quotes Canto 3 in Bhagvatam veras only Canto 12 in Bhagvatam talks about future periods. .

Bhagwat Mahapuran and Bhavishya Purana are two different entities, detailing on way different topics. Just like Garud puran which talks about after death scenarios, Bhavishya Puran specifically talks about future events, where as Bhagwatam deals with acts, glory and descriptions of vishnu Avatars.

You seem to believe that all the 18 Purans are subset of Bhagvatam, that is gross misbelief and factually incorrect. The references are as it is, as mentioned in bhavishya purana. Why should you refer Bhagwat puran for references and contents of Bhavishya puran?

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 06 Jul 2011 23:30

ramana wrote:Thnks, However am looking for the Shyama Sastry translation into English.

Arthashastra Translated into English by R. Shamasastry http://www.mediafire.com/?mnkmynduqvy 2.1MB

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http://bharateeya.wordpress.com/2009/04 ... a-english/

DOWNLOAD SANSKRIT UNICODE TEXT
DOWNLOAD Sanskrit Text with Hindi Translation by Gangaprasad Sastri

sampat · Post by **sampat** » 07 Jul 2011 02:46

Chanakya Sutrani in Hindi by Sri Ramavtar Vidhyabhaskar.

http://www.mediafire.com/?7b9dsc3q4rd8haa

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 07 Jul 2011 14:45

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 08#p884808

Atri wrote:Damn, I haven't read Geeta-Govinda. I never knew that this is from Geeta-Govinda.. I have heard this song and you have left few stanzas...

I will make it easy for mujahids to read and yanjaay...

अक्लेश केशव मंजरी तिलकम् - अष्टपदी 8.

निभृत निकुञ्ज गृहम् गतया, निशि रहसि निलीय वसन्तम्...
चकित विलोकित सकल दिशा, रति रभस भरेण हसन्तम्
सखि हे केशि मथनम् उदारम्,
रमय मया सह मदन मनोरथ भावितया सविकारम्... (Dhripad)

Oh (girl)friend, one night when I went into a lonely prearranged alcove to meet him, he, that bounteous pleasure-giver was, already there waiting for me but hiding in the darkness... and I was startled not finding him there and started searching him, then he appeared with all his lustful smile looked at me... and then he, filled with hastiness for an intimacy, embraced me... now why don't you make him take delight in me, when my heart is filled with love for him..

प्रथम समागम लज्जितया, पटु चाटु शतै: अनुकूलम् .
मृदु मधुर स्मित भाषितया, शिथिली कृत जघन दुकूलम्
सखि हे केशि... २.

"On my first meeting I was bashful, but he spoke hundreds of reassuring words, and then while I was speaking softly, sweetly, my silken dress slipped down from my hips... now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him...

किसलय शयन निवेशितया, चिरम् उरसि ममैव शयानम् .
कृत परिरम्भण चुम्बनया, परिरभ्य कृत अधरपानम् .. ३..
सखी हे केशमथनम् उदारम् ... (धृपद)

"After reposing me on a bed of tender grass, he lay on my chest all the time, and on making bracing embraces and kisses, he embraced me and swill my lower lip, graspingly... now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him...

अलस निमीलित लोचनया पुलक आवलि ललित कपोलम् .
अलस निमीलित लोचनया, वर मदन मदाद् अति लोलम् .. ४..
सखी हे केशमथनम् उदारम् ... (धृपद)

"I was tired hence my eyelids were slouching, his delicate cheeks too, experienced a series of tingles, and our bodies were drenched in sweat, while he was wholly jiggling with passionate intemperance... such as we were, now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him...

कोकिल कलरव कूजितया, जित मनसिज तन्त्रविचारम् .
श्लथ कुसुम आकुल कुन्तलया, नख लिखित घन स्तनभारम् .. ५..
सखी हे केशमथनम् उदारम् ... (धृपद)

"Then, when I was cooing and moaning like a koel and a pigeon, he, who has mastered every art of Love, was pondering... and then, when my flowers in my hair crushed and braids tousled, the scratch-marks of his nails arose on my busty bosoms... such as we were, now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him...

चरण रणित मणी नूपुरया, परि पूरित सुरत वितानम्
मुखर विशृङ्खल मेखलया सकच ग्रह चुम्बन दानम् .. ६..
सखी हे केशमथनम् उदारम् ... (धृपद)

"My anklets that usually jingle in my feet started jingling more when he copulated with me in different conjoining postures, and then the golden chain in my girdle fell down, while he grasped my hair bun to give a dole of kiss, such as we were, now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him...

रति सुख समय रसा अलसया, दर मुकुलित नयन सरोजम् .
निःसह निपतित तनु लतया, मधुसूदन मुदित मनोजम् .. ७..
सखी हे केशमथनम् उदारम् ... (धृपद)

"When I, with my vine-like curvacious and delicate body was lay on bed of tender grasss, relaxing delightedly because of union, he too was weakened, and his lotus like eyes were half-closed, though while laying on lawn, there again arose passion in him for me... such as we were, now why don't you make him to take delight in me, when my heart and mind are filled with love for him

श्री जयदेव भणितम् इदम् अतिशय, मधु रिपु निधुवन शीलम् .
सुखम् उत्कण्ठित गोपवधू कथितं वितनोतु सलीलम् .. ८..

This song that contains the accounts of Krishna's romantic frolics, as said by poet Jayadeva, who always worships the feet of Goddess Lakshmi, and as retold by me, an ecstasied milkmaid Raadha, let this song broadly pass blessedness all round..

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 07 Jul 2011 16:22

Atri mahashay, it is available at scribd. Search for "Gita Govinda". The above verses come in on page 131/414.
But why this X-post of last year's post?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 07 Jul 2011 17:17

AjayKK wrote:Atri mahashay, it is available at scribd. Search for "Gita Govinda". The above verses come in on page 131/414.
But why this X-post of last year's post?

Wished to x-post it in off topic thread, but missed the bus and padmanabha bhagwaan appeared with lakshmi.. this was posted in kufr love-marriage dhaga year ago.. will find appropriate eyes in this halal dhaga..

phor record onlee..

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jul 2011 19:49

Try to read Tiruppavai.

This eroticisation of bhakti was a phenomenon during the 11th thru 15th century India.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 07 Jul 2011 23:02

Krishna Deva Raya (Vijayanagara Emperor) wrote a whole treatise on Tiruppavai and Andal Devi. it is called the "Amuktamalyada." Tiruppavai itself is a Tamil song by the female Alwar Goda/Andal.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 08 Jul 2011 06:35

ManishH wrote:Interesting paper on Dhruva, the Indian pole star

I received that paper via email too. It is sheer joy to read Prof. R.N.Iyengar. His paper about dating MB using internal planetary positions is one of his best papers.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Jul 2011 07:54

Has anyone looked at the controversial binary-sun theory that seems to bear out or use Yukteswar's theoretical calculations?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 08 Jul 2011 09:03

brihaspati wrote:Has anyone looked at the controversial binary-sun theory that seems to bear out or use Yukteswar's theoretical calculations?

I think this is where newly-wed Indics got the practice of gazing at Arundhati-Vashishta from. Isnt there a parellel thesis on refraction and lens theory as well?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jul 2011 10:10

brihaspati wrote:Has anyone looked at the controversial binary-sun theory that seems to bear out or use Yukteswar's theoretical calculations?

More details?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 08 Jul 2011 11:53

Sanku wrote:
brihaspati wrote:Has anyone looked at the controversial binary-sun theory that seems to bear out or use Yukteswar's theoretical calculations?
More details?

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/ ... ession.pdf

Page 3 & 4 should give some illumination.

Should go into the astronomy thread as well.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 08 Jul 2011 11:54

The story is from the Gujarati edition of the newspaper Divya Bhashkar.Two Swamis were conducting a discourse on Ramayan, when a strange looking guest arrived at the dais by quietly walking on the path reserved for the devotees. A surprised Swamiji continued his discourse, to which the new guest quietly listened and touched Swamiji’s head, hand and chest and received his blessings(see the photos to believe this).The guest (in the form of a langoor-Lord Hanuman can assume any form) then blessed the second Swamiji and left after eating some of roses offered to Shree Ram.
http://www.divyabhaskar.co.in/article/N ... 5.html?HF=

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 08 Jul 2011 20:09

Sanku ji and Klaus ji,
I am also thinking of "trinity" concept. Shivas dance of destruction and creation, Brahmas cyclical birth and death, Vishnu creation of Brahma form his "navel" - the black hole.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 08 Jul 2011 22:42

Klaus wrote: http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/ ... ession.pdf

Page 3 & 4 should give some illumination.

Should go into the astronomy thread as well.

Thanks I didnt know about this!!!

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 11 Jul 2011 22:15

Few days back there was a discussion on Virat Purusha in the context of "Varna" System. Also, there were some very nice postings developing the understanding of "Virat Purusha". I am posting below an audio clip deliberating on the "Virat Purusha" spoken in the context of discussion of third sloka of Manudkyopanishad.

जागरितस्थानो बहिष्प्रज्ञः सप्ताङ्ग एकोनविंशतिमुखः
स्थूल भुग्वैश्वानरः प्रथमः पादः ॥ ३ ॥

http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/9 ... at_Purusha

Audio discusses just the bold part of the Sloka.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 12 Jul 2011 11:42

brihaspati wrote:The latitudinal circle could be connected with ancient Tropics. Which moves around due to the complex cycle (41,000 years) of movement of the obliquity of the ecliptic.

But I think more important than maritime etc, the longitudes become important for "sun-temples". They put up the sites based on other pragmatic considerations like availability of water etc. So the latitudes are allowed to vary but they move along the polar great circles up and down for a fixed [longitude] coordinate until they reach a convenient site for maintaining a settlement.

The Tropic of Cancer was supposed to have been along the latitude of 24 27' N until upto 8000 BC. Atleast thats what is being inferred from the petroglyphs on Yonaguni, resembling the Kaida script.

Whats more curious is the giant relief of a turtle and the entrance of the monument facing south.

Part 1 in Japanese
[youtube]CPCq3yo4SLc&feature=related[/youtube]

Part 2 in Japanese
[youtube]rPxAmwENaQA&feature=related[/youtube]

Unlike the Western production (which questions whether the monument is man-made or not), the Japanese documentary seeks to explain the utility of the salient features with its meaning.

[youtube]zIu2rA0yd9s&feature=fvwrel[/youtube]

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 12 Jul 2011 11:51

brihaspati wrote:Sanku ji and Klaus ji,
I am also thinking of "trinity" concept. Shivas dance of destruction and creation, Brahmas cyclical birth and death, Vishnu creation of Brahma form his "navel" - the black hole.

The video tries to explain mass-extinctions of life on earth approximately every 26 million years based on the binary sun (or Nemesis) theory. The hypothesis is that comets/asteroids get deflected towards earth when the sun is in the perigee position relative to the binary star.

There is also another inter-galactic event relating to major continental shift, alteration of earth's magnetism and formation of Large Igneous Provinces approximately every 62 million years.

[youtube]8WzgUZbhrLc&feature=related[/youtube]

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 18:35

Does anyone know where the Pandavas left their mortal bodies? Of course somewhere in the Himalayas, but I wonder if temples or Samadhis exist?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Jul 2011 18:44

sanjeevpunj wrote:Does anyone know where the Pandavas left their mortal bodies? Of course somewhere in the Himalayas, but I wonder if temples or Samadhis exist?

Not in himalayas.. they crossed Himalayas and the great desert (gobi) thereafter and kept on walking northwards. Then they started climbing the somagiri (great white mount) and started falling one by one... it seems they were died while travelling northwards in siberia or possible north-pole.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 18:56

Atri wrote:
sanjeevpunj wrote:Does anyone know where the Pandavas left their mortal bodies? Of course somewhere in the Himalayas, but I wonder if temples or Samadhis exist?
Not in himalayas.. they crossed Himalayas and the great desert (gobi) thereafter and kept on walking northwards. Then they started climbing the somagiri (great white mount) and started falling one by one... it seems they were died while travelling northwards in siberia or possible north-pole.

And please where is the "Great White Mount" located? I hope you are not referring to the highest peak in the Alps?

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 12 Jul 2011 19:05

^^^ The objective was to reach the base of Mount Meru. There are several candidates in the Altyn-Tagh, Kunlun ranges and ranges near Lake Baikal.

Having said that, no one is really sure of the exact northern boundaries of Jambudveepa or Bharatvarsha post Pandavas. Of course, we know that Arjuna annexed Uttara Kuru (Kyrgyzstan), the northwest boundary was the outer reaches of AFG and Iran, not sure about the reach beyond the Himalayas in the northeastern direction.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 12 Jul 2011 19:06

sanjeevpunj wrote: And please where is the "Great White Mount" located? I hope you are not referring to the highest peak in the Alps?

If I remember correctly, there is description of them crossing a desert before climbing. "great white mountain" is just a translation of somagiri.. The point being, they did not die in himalayas, as far as know.. will check and cite the relevant verses.

I am not very good at understanding or making sarcastic remarks, in case that was the motive..

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 19:10

^^^For many years I just held the view that they did not go further than the Himalayas, and must have sat down to meditate (and thus ascend to heaven by leaving the body willingly.So naturally I feel if they did that, there should be samadhis built around their mortal remains. I have travelled in Himachal a little and I found a temple dedicated to Kunti Devi, next to a beautiful make called Kunti Lake, which has such crystal clear waters even now.I landmarked this lake on google earth, you can simply search "Kunti Lake" and you can see its exact position.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 19:11

Atri wrote:
sanjeevpunj wrote: And please where is the "Great White Mount" located? I hope you are not referring to the highest peak in the Alps?
If I remember correctly, there is description of them crossing a desert before climbing. "great white mountain" is just a translation of somagiri.. The point being, they did not die in himalayas, as far as know.. will check and cite the relevant verses.

I am not very good at understanding or making sarcastic remarks, in case that was the motive..

No no Atri, dont get me wrong, I did not take any offense, nor did I see it as sarcastic, I just didn't know what "great white mount" represents.Cheers.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jul 2011 19:27

sanjeevpunj, It would be nice to read your post again before you hit submit.

I too felt a tone of sarcasm in the phrase "And please...." If you hadn't used those two words there would be no ambiguity.
Thanks, ramna

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 12 Jul 2011 19:47

And please where is the "Great White Mount" located?

To my understanding those unrealistic travels in Vedic literature is always in "Chidakash" (Consciousness Space). Think of your present consciousness as elevator parked at ground floor. Upper floors are the various dev lokas and basement floors as Asur lokas.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 21:18

ramana wrote:sanjeevpunj, It would be nice to read your post again before you hit submit.

I too felt a tone of sarcasm in the phrase "And please...." If you hadn't used those two words there would be no ambiguity.
Thanks, ramna

yessir! Will definitely remember not to publish a post till I am sure each and every word is inoffensive.it was just a quicky response, had nothing sarcastic in mind,at all,Ramana ji.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jul 2011 21:23

OK. BTW I am thinking a lot about the picture you posted above.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 21:29

I dug up some information from http://www.gmvnl.com/newgmvn/districts/ ... rnath.aspx.

"According to legend, the Pandavas after having won over the Kauravas in the Kurukshetra war, felt guilty of having killed their own brothers and sought the blessings of Lord Shiva for redemption. He eluded them repeatedly and while fleeing took refuge at Kedarnath in the form of a bull. On being followed he dived into the ground, leaving his hump on the surface. The remaining portions of Lord Shiva appeared at four other places and are worshipped there as his manifestations. The arms appeared at Tungnath, the face at Rudranath, the belly at Madhmaheshwar and his locks (hair) with head at Kalpeshwar. Kedarnath and the four above mentioned shrines are treated as Panch Kedar."

The image was removed by me, as it was perhaps subjected to copyright.The Link is here anyway so people can see the grand white mountains.
http://photos.worldisround.com/photos/27/540/300_o.jpg
The view from Kedarnath is definitely like "Great White Mount" in front.One possible point to start exploring for the relics related to Pandavas. Pandukeshvar temple is also nearby Kedarnath, the only temple dedicated to the father of the Pandavas perhaps.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 12 Jul 2011 21:39

ramana wrote:OK. BTW I am thinking a lot about the picture you posted above.

The one where the Langoor is blessing a swamiji?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Jul 2011 22:05

Yes. Take that with other signs. All indicate revival.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 13 Jul 2011 01:06

there could have been a grand little civilization where people had learned to prolong their life many times normal human ones, had flying machines to go long distances, and had been able to build up infrastructure in remote part of eastern kols of the Pamir knot inaccessible to humans of the time. The Pandavas had been the result of sought for artificial/insemination from some members there, and hence they felt a blood connection. They went in that direction in their old age thinking that their ancestral community might be able to prolong their life and give comfort in their old age - and they were carried the last leg of the nearly impossible journey by foot [hence flight] to the place.

How about this pseudo-sci-fi version?

The devas might have become either genetically unsustainable, or insisting on strict endogamy - got unsustainable reproductively. Or they tampered with their genes in search of immortality so much that they lost out on the sexual reproduction within community. Hence the curious absence of children of the gods+goddesses in Amaravati. They always seem to mate with "humans" to beget children. Shiva, Vishnu...

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Jul 2011 01:17

Reminds me of something my elder-brother told me recently. He was pushing all of us (3 brothers) to purchase land in our ancestral village.

He gave the example of some fish which swims against the river, against all odds, to lay eggs in its birth place and dies. He was talking about the pull of Matrubhoomi.

"Janani, Janma-Bhoomischa swargadapi gariyasi"

That could be one strategy against the pull of ideological birth places. Is that why [sic] secular are against 'Vande Mataram' and 'Bharata Mata'?