Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Military

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 14 Jul 2011 17:46

Since I see these Marksman vehical every day and after looking at it closely my impression is they dont seem to be bulletproof against high caliber/high velocity weapon like Ak-47 , the glass on the vehical is certainly not bulletproof its the normal glass and the tyre too are not any thing special type but the normal tyre that mahendra uses for its jeeps.

The Marksman to me is more useful in anti-riot/anti-gang war and similar situation where they can protect the police from small arms the rioter/gangs might use and not truly useful in anti-terror operation.

Considering Mumbai police badly needs such vehicle instead of the normal jeeps that we have seen since decades its one notch above then then older vehicle.

abhishekm · Post by **abhishekm** » 14 Jul 2011 18:34

Austin wrote:Since I see these Marksman vehical every day and after looking at it closely my impression is they dont seem to be bulletproof against high caliber/high velocity weapon like Ak-47 , the glass on the vehical is certainly not bulletproof its the normal glass and the tyre too are not any thing special type but the normal tyre that mahendra uses for its jeeps.

A Marksman is permanently stationed a few metres away from where I live. It comes with a complement of 5 pandus (only 1 of whom is grossly overweight). I keep having conversations with one or two cops as the Marksman has been strategically placed next to a pani puri stall I frequent. The cop claims the glass can withstand fire from an INSAS rifle and pistols. He also says that tyres are made of a tougher fibre (though I doubt if they are bullet proof). He won't let me take pics of the inside of course but it seems fairly comfortable with video cameras, etc and space for 6 people to sit at the back. However, if all six were carrying rifles and wearing BPJs it would prove a bit of a squeeze. All in all, its good for counter assault functions and performing permiter security duties.

D Roy · Post by **D Roy** » 14 Jul 2011 19:41

1. as far as I know, no other police has such a vehicle in India.

Nope. Kolkata Police operates quite a few examples of the Marksman. there is one permanently stationed near Kalighat bridge very close to Didi's residence.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 14 Jul 2011 20:08

Even CISF has a few examples.. I remember spotting one at the Infy campus in bangalore a few months back..

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 14 Jul 2011 21:18

Some more pics of Force-One and MP

The Trooper from left, is he holding an MSMC or MP-7 ?

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 14 Jul 2011 21:20

Paramilitary Trooper near Arthur Road Jail.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 14 Jul 2011 22:03

joygoswami wrote:Some more pics of Force-One and MP
The Trooper from left, is he holding an MSMC or MP-7 ?

That seems to be a MP-7.

rahulm · Post by **rahulm** » 14 Jul 2011 22:18

Here are a set of pictures of the Battle of Corigaum (Koregaon) memorial commemorating the Battle of 1st January 1818 fought between the British Poona Horse (17 Horse) led by Captain Staunton and the Peshwe's army led by the Peshwe himself.

In addition to British officers, the names of Indian soldiers who fought against the Peshwa alongside the officers of the British East India Company Army are also inscribed.

The British prevailed against the Peshwe's army against very stiff odds and described the victory as one of the proudest triumphs of the British Army in the East. They erected this monument (obelisk) to commemorate the victory.

The memorial is located about 200 metres off the Pune - Ahmednagar highway on the outskirts of Pune. Kapil and I were driving back when Kapil spotted the Obelisk and we stopped by to have a look. I took some pictures.

The memorial's entrance gate is locked and there are settlements and fields around it. The locals have encroached on the memorial and hang their laundry to dry on the fence and dry their grain all around it.

When we approached, a chap and a bunch of kids were playing cricket inside the memorial. They had scaled the walls and fence to gain entry. So did we to get close up pictures.

At some point a black Roll of Honour plaque commemorating post independence valour was affixed to the obelisk.In addition to others, 2nd Lt Arun Khetarpal's name is also inscribed.

A plaque in Marathi. Maybe, some body can translate.

Enjoy

bodhi · Post by **bodhi** » 15 Jul 2011 00:21

Bala Vignesh wrote:
joygoswami wrote:Some more pics of Force-One and MP
The Trooper from left, is he holding an MSMC or MP-7 ?
That seems to be a MP-7.

Looks more like a MP9 to me...I may be wrong though.

http://www.defensereview.com/brugger-th ... he-bt-mp9/

N Jhawar · Post by **N Jhawar** » 15 Jul 2011 01:32

joygoswami wrote:Some more pics of Force-One and MP

The Trooper from left, is he holding an MSMC or MP-7 ?

Find it funny that each of the F1 guys are holding a gun different from another....

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 15 Jul 2011 06:04

Force 1 doesn't have MP 7, yet. its MP9

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 16 Jul 2011 12:00

I saw this picture in Indian-Defence forum, it shows a canisterized Missile being launched as part of a BMD test.

This is most likely the target missile as the other picture on the article is the Programme AD interceptor. Can someone ID this missile. I have always heard DRDO talking about a modified Prithvi being used as the Target. but this missile looks new.
What is more intriguing is the fact that it is launched from one of SIX launch tubes. Very similar to Shri Sarasvat's description of Prahaar!!!

Dmurphy · Post by **Dmurphy** » 16 Jul 2011 12:32

Imges from Kupwara encounter picked from new sites.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 13:52

Shrinivasan wrote:I saw this picture in Indian-Defence forum, it shows a canisterized Missile being launched as part of a BMD test.

This is not Indian. Neither the missile nor the symbol on the side of the canister is like anything used in India. And why the desert camo?

I think that is an Israeli Arrow 2

Kakarat · Post by **Kakarat** » 16 Jul 2011 13:56

Shrinivasan wrote:I saw this picture in Indian-Defence forum, it shows a canisterized Missile being launched as part of a BMD test.
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This is most likely the target missile as the other picture on the article is the Programme AD interceptor. Can someone ID this missile. I have always heard DRDO talking about a modified Prithvi being used as the Target. but this missile looks new.
What is more intriguing is the fact that it is launched from one of SIX launch tubes. Very similar to Shri Sarasvat's description of Prahaar!!!

That is the Arrow Anti-ballistic missiles from Israel

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 16 Jul 2011 14:16

Thanks everyone for clarifying my question on the missile launcher... Like you all, I am eagerly awaiting the Prahaar Launch on Sunday!!!

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 16 Jul 2011 14:42

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 16 Jul 2011 19:48

In the Kupwara encounter pics, what is written on Bren guy's helmet? Something 'Safex', I think (2nd pic)

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 16 Jul 2011 19:58

Atreya, That is the elastic strap of his eyepiece. You can make out the eyepice on the fore side of his bullet proof helmet.

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 16 Jul 2011 20:36

Oh! Thank you. I guess the eye wear is to protect him from the spent cartridges popping out from the gun

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 16 Jul 2011 21:03

N Jhawar wrote:
joygoswami wrote:Some more pics of Force-One and MP

The Trooper from left, is he holding an MSMC or MP-7 ?

Find it funny that each of the F1 guys are holding a gun different from another....

exactly ...!!! what can be the reason..? first come first serve from a pool of gun..?
what an incredible logistical nightmare... are they all trained to operate all sorts of gun..?
what if someone is down and 2nd man has to pick up his gun..? he probably wont have a clue how to operate..!!

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 16 Jul 2011 22:16

What's that 4th gun ? M16 ?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 16 Jul 2011 22:21

Nope Jamwalji, its a M4 carbine..

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 16 Jul 2011 22:22

FWIW, I've uploaded all of my pictures from Defence Expo 2010 here
Except for approximately 10-12 pictures, all are old ones that I have on my blog.
Slightly clearer picture of Marksman from that expo here
Thanks Bala. WHat about 2nd and 3rd ? AK ?

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 16 Jul 2011 22:22

@ ^^...looks like an M4 to me.
Edited later: Bala beat me to it

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 16 Jul 2011 22:35

Jamwalji,
Yup..The fixed butt weapon seems to be the AK103 and the folding butt seems to be AK47.. Not sure though..

BTW, you bought any additional lens for your camera, mian???

Added Later: The third is an AKM.. The underfolding stock is clearly visible..

Gurneesh · Post by **Gurneesh** » 16 Jul 2011 22:36

koti · Post by **koti** » 16 Jul 2011 23:42

Correction. It is not AK-103. It seems more like the Bulgarian polymer AK.

And the SMG is not MP-7. It is Brugger and Thomet MP 9

koti · Post by **koti** » 16 Jul 2011 23:45

If u see it long enough you will notice that the 4 Jawans are equipped with weapons from Romania(?),Bulgaria, Germany, Switzerland and USA.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 17 Jul 2011 00:12

joygoswami wrote:

Wow! A pandu carrying a M4 with scope( and laser pointer?), nice.

sum · Post by **sum** » 17 Jul 2011 14:00

Could anyone ID the force this soldeir is from?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 17 Jul 2011 16:03

abhik wrote:Wow! "A pandu" carrying a M4 with scope( and laser pointer?), nice.

That term is used in disrespect for cops in Bombay. Many gave up their lives in '08 trying to protect Bombay's citizens.

Humorix · Post by **Humorix** » 17 Jul 2011 16:18

abhik wrote:
joygoswami wrote:
Wow! A pandu carrying a M4 with scope( and laser pointer?), nice.

I think it is possibly the Trichy Assault Rifle...as against an M4

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 17 Jul 2011 18:34

^^ That is an M4. See the shape of the barrel and the butt.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 17 Jul 2011 20:13

Yes, definitely an M4. No doubts about it.

abhishek-nayak · Post by **abhishek-nayak** » 17 Jul 2011 21:28

Humorix wrote: Wow! A pandu carrying a M4 with scope( and laser pointer?), nice

The bigger question is that does the pandu know how to use the weapon.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 17 Jul 2011 22:12

abhishek-nayak wrote:
Humorix wrote: Wow! A pandu carrying a M4 with scope( and laser pointer?), nice
The bigger question is that does the pandu know how to use the weapon.

Please... lets not degrade them so badly.. They are as professional as the system allows them to be..
And like any professional force, they are trained to handle all weapons in the inventory of the force..

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 17 Jul 2011 22:32

^^
Lets hope so. But it is worth noting that most state Police forces "officially" require their personnel to practice only 10-20 rounds once per year.
A few months back, there was a news report on force1 which gave some insight into this matter. Apparently, there was a lot of enthusiasm for a month or two after 26/11 and policemen were regularly visiting firing range. But as time passed, things got back to "normal" and policemen now don't practice even once..and once is all that is officially required of them.

Maybe the person shown in picture regularly practices at firing range with great enthusiasm, but if so, then he is an exception.

Added Later:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 263817.cms

The attendance records are so abysmal that Mumbai police commissioner Sanjeev Dayal had to recently issue stern notices to the 90 police stations across the city as well as other branches like the crime branch forcing them to ensure that all personnel clock the annual requisite time-slot of just 20 minutes (once a year) at the firing range. Even encounter specialists were pulled up for not training regularly.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 73860.html

An F1 buddy pair posed for a picture, with one of them holding the AK-47 by the barrel. A clear sign that the commandos, recruited as policemen, may have yet to learn how to handle their weapons. An NSG friend and a veteran of counter-insurgency joked that the commando had better carry a tube of Burnol when he went into action.

atreya · Post by **atreya** » 17 Jul 2011 23:51

The India Today article is way too ridiculous. Use the Force One for anti Naxal duty? Patrol in J&K or N.E? It was created as a SWAT team and a QRT team, that is where it's skills lie. They would be demanding that Force One should replace the Army in border areas, next.

vivek_ahuja · Post by **vivek_ahuja** » 18 Jul 2011 00:58

atreya wrote:The India Today article is way too ridiculous. Use the Force One for anti Naxal duty? Patrol in J&K or N.E? It was created as a SWAT team and a QRT team, that is where it's skills lie. They would be demanding that Force One should replace the Army in border areas, next.

Going OT here. Admins please move this discussion if required.

I think the article was talking about giving them some field experience in J&K etc. Not permanent duty. Experience has to be built up somewhere. And despite western notions of difference between Army Special Forces and City SWAT teams, in India the situation is blurred. Where in the western world the Army Special Forces etc would always be deployed externally, the SWAT teams would do internal counter-terrorism ops.

That is all fine and good. But if you share a land border with these terrorism sponsors, then the distinction is blurred. In J&K, Army Special Forces are acting on home territory alongside police forces. And in Mumbai, Pakistani military trained commandos are assaulting civilian locations. If the Army was the trained force required to quell 26/11 type scenarios, and J&K police regularly train alongside the Army Special Forces, why can't the Mumbai SWAT do the same?

At the very least it will give them the required experience in firearms, equipment, endurance, synergy with other operational forces in the field and most important of all: confidence and pride in their unit. There is nothing like live-field experience to solidify the unit's role in the mindset of its operators.

Go where the experience is available is all I say.

-Vivek