Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jul 2011 07:20

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/07/ ... .html?_r=1
Pakistan Spy Chief Visit to U.S. 'Went Very Well'

Lieutenant-General Ahmad Shuja Pasha made a brief visit to Washington, arriving on Wednesday and leaving on Thursday, to meet with Acting CIA Director Michael Morell and other intelligence officials. Both sides sought to renew ties of cooperation and move forward in an often challenging relationship. "The discussions today between General Pasha and the acting director of the Central Intelligence Agency went very well," a U.S. official said on condition of anonymity. "They agreed on a number of steps that will improve Pakistani and U.S. national security," the official said, without disclosing any more details. A senior official at the Pakistani embassy in Washington said the meetings helped stabilise the intelligence partnership between the two countries.We have had difficulties since May 2," the senior Pakistani official said. "Those difficulties are being addressed." Pasha had also been expected to meet with the heads of congressional intelligence committees during this visit, but the meeting did not happen because of time constraints, a U.S. source familiar with the visit said.

disha · Post by **disha** » 15 Jul 2011 07:32

This one business I surely wish blooms in Bakistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14161737

It is a video, and the final words are the "... the longer the verse, the better the <raisins> ..."

disha · Post by **disha** » 15 Jul 2011 07:45

Prem wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/07/ ... .html?_r=1
Pakistan Spy Chief Visit to U.S. 'Went Very Well'

ISI Chief Pasha is pregnant!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jul 2011 07:53

disha wrote:
Prem wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/07/ ... .html?_r=1
Pakistan Spy Chief Visit to U.S. 'Went Very Well'
ISI Chief Pasha is pregnant!

With Quintuplets
Hafiz, Zawahiri, Haqqani, Omar and Dawood!!

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Jul 2011 07:57

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-0 ... ttack.html
India-Pakistan Talks Sought by U.S. May Survive Mumbai Attack
( Sought by US ? )

uly 15 (Bloomberg) -- Mass-casualty attacks on Mumbai for years have disrupted peacemaking between India and Pakistan. A day after the latest assault killed or injured 151 people, India’s response signaled that a recently revived dialogue will survive this round of violence.Talks between India and Pakistan are important for stability in South Asia and for U.S. hopes of resolving the decade-old war in nearby Afghanistan, the U.S. State Department has said. That importance increased as President Barack Obama ordered a start this month to withdrawals of American troops that will lead to an end of the U.S. combat role in Afghanistan by 2014.
‘Don’t Speculate’
“The United States is trying to accelerate a withdrawal from Afghanistan and it needs Pakistan in order to do so,” said Reva Bhalla, director of analysis for the Austin, Texas-based risk assessment firm Stratfor. “The last thing the United States needs is a crisis between India and Pakistan that could complicate that process,” Bhalla said in remarks sent by e-mail.
“We are not starting the investigation on the basis of any predetermined assumptions,” Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram told a press conference yesterday when asked whether foreigners might have conducted the bombings. Noting that the Indian and Pakistani foreign ministers are to meet in 10 days, he made an “appeal not to indulge in speculation.” There has been no claim of responsibility.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2011 08:47

Relief in Pakistan over absence of finger-pointing

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 09:34

The Persian mistress at the breakfast table: Tales of the Bhutto childhood

You surely know that one of the most psychologically formative experiences for the young Benazir was growing up in a house where her father (Zulfikar) gave his Persian mistress pride of place in the home. Benazir would come to breakfast with her father and mistress at the table while her mother ate from a tray quietly and alone in her bedroom in another wing of the house. When one tries to understand how Benazir came to have her husband kill her brother, it helps to know what a strange childhood she had. Salman Rushdie's thinly-veiled roman a clef about the Bhuttos and Zia, Shame, captures some of this atmosphere quite well.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 10:41

NYT editorial is praising MMS for his restraint.

U.S. State department PSYOP

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 15 Jul 2011 10:48

abhishek_sharma wrote:NYT editorial is praising MMS for his restraint.

U.S. State department PSYOP

not just nyt

India exercising admirable restraint after Mumbai attacks: NYT

Amreeka bahadur khush, paki log khush, kangress bhi khush!
bhaiyya aall iz well!
~~janata can wait for the next one and pray that they dont get caught in it~~

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Jul 2011 10:49

Yipee, so now that good conduct certificates have been earned, we can move back to normal programming and joint love-making/ Siachen discussions etc..

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 15 Jul 2011 10:50

abhishek_sharma wrote:NYT editorial is praising MMS for his restraint.

U.S. State department PSYOP

Naturally. The US would suffer if we did any posturing even, because then the pakis would be upto a variety of dirty tricks.

Hence, when Ms. Clinton is here, we should tell the US.

a) Either we take action

b) Or you take action

c) Or we both take action, to achieve our objectives, and we run the show with you participating. And stop your munnagiri. Prove to us that you are indeed a strategic partner. Instead of us being a poodle and helping you create jobs and do this and that for you yada yada.

Time we stepped up to the plate and pushed with whatever weight we have.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2011 11:03

abhishek_sharma wrote:NYT editorial is praising MMS for his restraint.

Everybody now knows that such 'praise' is to make India continue in its deep slumber.

Be that as it may, I object to the use of the word 'restraint'. The definition of this word is "the ability to control or moderate one's impulses, passions, etc". It applies to those who have impulses, passions etc. and hence my objection.

Another point. Last time as well, Ms. Clinton came to India in 2009 to oversee India-Pakistan Foreign Ministers talks.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 11:07

SSridhar wrote: Another point. Last time as well, Ms. Clinton came to India in 2009 to oversee India-Pakistan Foreign Ministers talks.

Yes. Actually MMS was breathing fire a few weeks before SeS meet (recall the meeting with Zardari). I suspect U.S. was not happy with that tone and he started downhill skiing. His own dream of "Breakfast in Amritsar, Lunch in Lahore, ..." must have helped.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Jul 2011 11:09

Ms Clinton's reign seems to be a singular record of failure after failure from the SD side.

OBL taken out was a CIA-JSOC joint op, I doubt she was even in the know about the detailed planning or dates until that afternoon.

all the colour coded revolutions ended in various degrees of failure with the worst being Ukraine.

Chinis made deep inroads into africa and ME in her watch, while consolidating in CAR.

japan looks and feels like megatron - a powerful giant with mental problems. now their PM talks of giving up n-power!

germany is aloof from anglo-american adventures and focussed on saving its welfare system and good ties with russia for cheap metals and energy to feed its huge industrial base.

.... and she cant control pakistan, only drones and cia hits is the language pakis respect.

looks like a school teacher who cannot control the class.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 11:11

Singha wrote:Ms Clinton's reign seems to be a singular record of failure after failure from the SD side.

OT: Ombaba is running the show. So all success/failure should go in his account.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Jul 2011 11:12

Nirupama Rao confirms her status as a WKK.

Talks with Pak will continue

Talking to TOI, foreign secretary Nirupama Rao said, "I am convinced of the need for India and Pakistan to discuss such issues of vital importance for the future of this region.. I know the extent and pain that we as a country have to deal with, and has been inflicted upon us by cross-border terrorism, I don't think the memories of that can fade so easily. But because we share borders, we will always have to deal with them. I don't think unadulterated confrontation or speaking the language of conflict can help us or Pakistan."

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 11:20

Arjun wrote:Nirupama Rao confirms her status as a WKK.

I think she is just implementing PM's Pakistan policy. We will know her views once she starts writing after her retirement.

You can argue that she should have resigned if she disagrees with PM's policies.

arnab · Post by **arnab** » 15 Jul 2011 11:22

abhishek_sharma wrote:

You can argue that she should have resigned if she disagrees with PM's policies.

No one resigns unless they have lined up an alternative source of income. Case in point - Harsh Mander.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Jul 2011 11:23

Prem wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/07/ ... .html?_r=1
Pakistan Spy Chief Visit to U.S. 'Went Very Well'

disha wrote: ISI Chief Pasha is pregnant!

Prem wrote: With Quintuplets
Hafiz, Zawahiri, Haqqani, Omar and Dawood!!

Most likely Pasha has decided to deliver Zawahiri, that is what this meeting was all about. Suspended aid will be resumed. Bargain is to preserve the H&D of the whore, Zawahiri et all will be hallaled silently.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Jul 2011 12:03

The PA bravado of spurning US military aid and asking it to be diverted to economy instead has ended in a whimper with Pasha rushing off to Washington D.C. for just a day and a half. Or, at least that is how it appears. How much of the strained relationship between these two would have been repaired will be apparent in a few days or weeks. What is the Pakistani end of the bargain will come to light then. Quintuplets, sextuplets etc. Let us remember that every reconciliation that Pakistan makes with the US would be underlined with the demands for some more concession against India. The US may not concede all demands or even full extent of each demand. Nevertheless, some concession will be made and that would be detrimental to us. Every such concession comes with increased probability of some more terrorist strikes against us followed by American platitudes on 'Indian restraint' to keep stoking the ego of Indian leaders and bureaucrats. This cycle is vicious and interminable and that cannot be broken unless India frees itself from American clutches and pursues an independent policy on such matters. Kargil certainly allowed the US to interject itself in our affairs with Pakistan and we are unable to shrug it off. Before that can happen, we need some bolder and fresher set of people in the corridors of power both in bureaucracy and in politics.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Jul 2011 12:07

abhishek_sharma wrote:I think she is just implementing PM's Pakistan policy. We will know her views once she starts writing after her retirement.

You can argue that she should have resigned if she disagrees with PM's policies.

No, the same fact of not wanting to stop talks with Pakistan can be expressed in language in various different ways, and diplomats would be the first persons to be cognizant of the power of words and the precise language used. Nirupama Rao's usage of words and language, not just on this occasion but several times in the past - put her firmly in the WKK camp.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 15 Jul 2011 12:30

BRFers should analyse WKKism in people of high positions like the foreign sec. and also the PM some more. There are some fine varieties of the overall principle.

The pleez talks with TSP are a way of numbing them into submission. Now we have a ceasefire on the border after many years of wasteful artillery barrages. Similarly, after the interminable bhai-bhai chai biskoot it will be only the TSPA which will have some hate left. The others would have left the battlefield bored stiff.

Really.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2011 13:01

abhishek_sharma wrote:"Breakfast in Amritsar, Lunch in Lahore, ..." must have helped.

Breakfast in Amritsar, Lunch in Kathmandu, Tea in Colombo, Dinner in Dhaka, Loo in Lahore!

They have the best toilets in Asia!

amit · Post by **amit** » 15 Jul 2011 14:10

Arjun wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:I think she is just implementing PM's Pakistan policy. We will know her views once she starts writing after her retirement.

You can argue that she should have resigned if she disagrees with PM's policies.
No, the same fact of not wanting to stop talks with Pakistan can be expressed in language in various different ways, and diplomats would be the first persons to be cognizant of the power of words and the precise language used. Nirupama Rao's usage of words and language, not just on this occasion but several times in the past - put her firmly in the WKK camp.

Arjun,

As a matter of friendly exercise, could you draft that para which you highlighted which would say the same thing shorn of what is called WKKism? It would be interesting to see what comes out. Do note that the statement should be befitting the position of the top official of India's External Affairs Ministry and should not sound like a post on BRF.

Boss it's easy for us to criticise folks like Nrupama Rao without having any knowledge of what is going on in the background. Every body wants to give the B*stards a jhapad they'll never forget and why do you assume that folks who are in the forefront and deal with these B**chods regularly don't want to do the same? But that's easier said than done and besides there are many ways to bell the cat.

And yes resigning and walking into the sunset is easy, especially for a person of the stature of Rao, I'm sure she'd wouldn't have to think where the next meal is going to come from. However, staying and trying to make a difference is a different ball game and far more difficult.

I personally don't look at statements, rather I'd like to look at what's happening on the ground. Last I knew, apart from a commitment to have chai biscoot none of Paki's kore issues have been address.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

JMT

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Jul 2011 14:16

^^^ spot on, all the paquis have actually got from us is chai and halph-biskoot

amit · Post by **amit** » 15 Jul 2011 14:19

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ spot on, all the paquis have actually got from us is chai and halph-biskoot

I'm convinced that half of the Rapes who partake the chai biskoot have diabetes due to all the sugar in the chai and in the sweet talking. I forget who the guys were but the last time there were talks in Delhi, I remember the priceless look on the face of the Pacqui official and smug, not sugar chai drinker look on the Indian guy!

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Jul 2011 14:46

amit wrote:As a matter of friendly exercise, could you draft that para which you highlighted which would say the same thing shorn of what is called WKKism?

Sure.

Here's the original comment from Nirupama:

"I am convinced of the need for India and Pakistan to discuss such issues of vital importance for the future of this region.. I know the extent and pain that we as a country have to deal with, and has been inflicted upon us by cross-border terrorism, I don't think the memories of that can fade so easily. But because we share borders, we will always have to deal with them. I don't think unadulterated confrontation or speaking the language of conflict can help us or Pakistan."

The last two sentences are completely unnecessary, and clearly convey the soft-headed thinking that passes for diplomacy in India.

I would redraft as follows-

"I am convinced of the need for India and Pakistan to discuss such issues of vital importance for the future of this region.. I know the extent and pain that we as a country have to deal with, and has been inflicted upon us by cross-border terrorism, I don't think the memories of that can fade so easily. We would not like to give up on the ongoing India-Pak talks - precisely because they provide us a valuable platform through which we can convey some of these deep concerns to our Pakistani counterparts. Having weighed the pros and cons of not engaging with Pakistan, we believe our long-term objectives are best served by leveraging this available channel."

There is a world of difference between the two drafts above...and if our diplomats don't appreciate the difference they should not be in an area that calls for an ability to convey nuances through language.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Jul 2011 14:50

Arjun ji,

good reformulation.

amit · Post by **amit** » 15 Jul 2011 15:06

Arjun wrote:
amit wrote:As a matter of friendly exercise, could you draft that para which you highlighted which would say the same thing shorn of what is called WKKism?
Sure.

Here's the original comment from Nirupama:

"I am convinced of the need for India and Pakistan to discuss such issues of vital importance for the future of this region.. I know the extent and pain that we as a country have to deal with, and has been inflicted upon us by cross-border terrorism, I don't think the memories of that can fade so easily. But because we share borders, we will always have to deal with them. I don't think unadulterated confrontation or speaking the language of conflict can help us or Pakistan."
The last two sentences are completely unnecessary, and clearly convey the soft-headed thinking that passes for diplomacy in India.

I would redraft as follows-

"I am convinced of the need for India and Pakistan to discuss such issues of vital importance for the future of this region.. I know the extent and pain that we as a country have to deal with, and has been inflicted upon us by cross-border terrorism, I don't think the memories of that can fade so easily. We would not like to give up on the ongoing India-Pak talks - precisely because they provide us a valuable platform through which we can convey some of these deep concerns to our Pakistani counterparts. Having weighed the pros and cons of not engaging with Pakistan, we believe our long-term objectives are best served by leveraging this available channel."
There is a world of difference between the two drafts above...and if our diplomats don't appreciate the difference they should not be in an area that calls for an ability to convey nuances through language.

Point taken, I agree a good reformulation.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 15 Jul 2011 15:44

Arjun Ji very good statement. Wish the MEA takes cognizance

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 15 Jul 2011 15:51

diplomacy.....heh?

the only thing our chief representative can do i take shots at countries like bangladesh and nepal....
its only when it comes to pak, he gets tongue-tied

RSoami · Post by **RSoami** » 15 Jul 2011 15:52

Indian diplomats were believed to be good with the language and little else.
Now Arunji has proved that wrong too.
Surrendering is the only `quality` left now.

Procuring good conduct certificates too.

Rajdeep · Post by **Rajdeep** » 15 Jul 2011 15:56

Pakistani accused of 2009 attack on Sri Lanka cricketers freed on bail
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ... -bail.html

An Islamist militant accused in dozens of killings and a 2009 attack on Sri Lanka's cricket team was freed on bail on Thursday after 14 years in custody because the Supreme Court decided there was not enough evidence to keep holding him, his lawyer said.

The release of Malik Ishaq, a leader of the banned Sunni Muslim extremist group Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, underscores the difficulty Pakistani prosecutors have convicting suspects in a justice system that lacks resources, is plagued by corruption and is rife with tales of witness intimidation.

After posting bonds worth 1 million rupees (£7,200), Ishaq walked free on Thursday, Misbah said. TV footage showed hundreds of Ishaq's supporters greeting him as he left the jail in Kot Lakhpat, a town on the outskirts of Lahore.
Ishaq told Pakistan's private Geo TV channel that he had been falsely accused and that he would do whatever possible to ensure peace in Pakistan.

Be Afraid shias , be very afraid

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Jul 2011 16:05

^^^ another little skirmish in the great ISI Counteroffensive

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Jul 2011 16:15

IM and LeT
http://ibnlive.in.com/news/how-im-spear ... 0-102.html

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 15 Jul 2011 16:18

SSridhar wrote:Relief in Pakistan over absence of finger-pointing

Satisfied with Indo-Pak resolve to continue talks: Gilani

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 15 Jul 2011 16:33

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_2

VIEW: Tectonic shifts and nuclear balance —Dr Farah Zahra

No individual in the country, including General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, can be held responsible for the overall state of affairs in the country today. Mohammad Malick, writing a personal perspective on the army chief in a local English daily offers his divine prophesy: “Gen Kayani may have to decide whether he is part of the national solution or the problem”

While many in Pakistan are searching for individual and single-entity scapegoats, India heaves a big sigh of relief and ‘welcomes’ $ 800 million in military aid to Pakistan held back by the US as good for regional ‘equilibrium’.

In this scenario, the matter of regional military equilibrium remains pertinent. India’s uncalled for remark comes as a rather unwelcome development in the sequence of events in Indo-Pak relations where Pakistan has only just amiably hosted Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupuma Rao for a bilateral dialogue.

This Farah Zahra is a hawk. But seems to reflect whining pain in the behinds of the purest of the pure.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 15 Jul 2011 16:40

^

In this time period a lot has taken place, cumulatively, to Pakistan’s disadvantage including an estimated £ 27 billion loss due to floods.

The Pakis are so delusional . Did they have anything worth 27 billion pounds that could be damaged ?

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 15 Jul 2011 16:47

gakakkad wrote:^
In this time period a lot has taken place, cumulatively, to Pakistan’s disadvantage including an estimated £ 27 billion loss due to floods.
The Pakis are so delusional . Did they have anything worth 27 billion pounds that could be damaged ?

Their purity ji!

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 15 Jul 2011 16:52

Ongoing poll at the WSJ:

Should the U.S. suspend aid to Pakistan?

Current tally:

[A] Indefinitely in its entirety: 75.7%

Until bin Laden confusion clears up: 11.3%

[C] It should not be withheld: 13%