Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 16 Jul 2011 13:13

Terror threat to Bhakra Nangal dam, reveals IB report.
Source:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 245992.cms

Excerpts form the news- Pakistan terror outfits Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jamaat-ud-Dawa could be looking to attack the Bhakra Nangal project and are also training cadres to attack dams in India.

February last year Makki said, "I promise that if India and Manmohan Singh block Pakistan's waters, we will let loose a river of blood".

IMO this could be a flashpoint to trigger war anytime,depending on the way these rascals move on it.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Jul 2011 13:42

Height of pyaari pyaari and certification of good behaviour! Lube is in the air!

http://ftpapp.app.com.pk/en_/index.php? ... 6&Itemid=2

US appreciative of Pakistan’s reaction to Mumbai attacks

WASHINGTON, July 16 (APP): The United States has appreciated Pakistan’s stance on serial bombings in the Indian city of Mumbai, where several people lost their lives in the terrorist attack this week.A senior American official, Daniel Benjamin, who is U.S. Coordinator for Counterterrorism, thanked the Pakistani envoy in Washington Husain Haqqani for President Asif Ali Zardari’s and Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani’s statements deploring the Mumbai bombings.Indian officials have refrained from a knee-jerk reaction to this week’s bombings and Indian security organizations are looking into the terrorist incident.

According to the State Department, Ambassador Benjamin met with Ambassador Haqqani to discuss Washington’s efforts to build Pakistan’s civilian law enforcement capacity.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 16 Jul 2011 13:48

shiv wrote: uddu - this itself is complete nonsense. Pakistan was economically worse off than India. The RAPE built beautiful areas for themselves (using American aid) and claimed that all of Pakistan was better and naive Indians believed that. Claiming that whole of Pakistan as better was like looking at Ambanis mansion in Mumbai and saying that everyone lives like that in Mumbai.

it's not that this understanding itself is new. there was a book on Indo-Pak nuclear issue by 2 NYT reporters in the early 90's. India Today carried excerpts from it. in it was a comment that vividly captured the facts of pakistan's development. it said, that in islamabad's diplomatic circles, there was an oft repeated saying "islamabad is situated 50km from pakistan".

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 16 Jul 2011 14:02

I had such high hopes on that Hunza landslide dam sa*** ne haath de diya it is holding up

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 16 Jul 2011 14:05

chetak wrote:Why My Father Hated India
Aatish Taseer, the son of an assassinated Pakistani leader, explains the history and hysteria behind a deadly relationship
This guy is Tavleen Singh's son.

This is true guys, just checked... See below..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aatish_Taseer
He is an illegitimate son of Salman Taseer, if he lived and studied in India, how come he has a Paki passport?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 14:08

Rahul I used several refs in my ebookto show the same thing

The Independent of London described the contrast between
a Pakistani army establishment and the rest of Pakistan
(92):

Outside in the street, Afghan refugees and Pakistan's
urban poor root through garbage tips and crowd on to
soot-pumping buses to work in sweatshops and brick
factories. Inside, behind the ancient, newly painted
cannons and battalion flags, rose bushes surround welltended
lawns and officers' messes decorated with polished
brass fittings. No rubbish litters this perfect world of
discipline. Why should anyone living here want a return
to corrupt democracy?

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 16 Jul 2011 14:13

Rahul M wrote:it's not that this understanding itself is new. there was a book on Indo-Pak nuclear issue by 2 NYT reporters in the early 90's. India Today carried excerpts from it. in it was a comment that vividly captured the facts of pakistan's development. it said, that in islamabad's diplomatic circles, there was an oft repeated saying "islamabad is situated 50km from pakistan".

It was not just US funds... the whole ting started with Gandhi's largess of forex, US/UK started the flow... Gulf countries , Iran, Even Ligya contributed a lot... During Zia's time with the Islamic Conference etc, every Islamic country contributed money. Pak was also helped generously in Kind by all and sundry.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 14:15

uddu wrote:. And they are well informed as well about the world and can judge better.

Uddu it pains me to see this so called "informed" younger generation comparing India with Pakistan all the time. That is what i am complaining about.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 16 Jul 2011 14:32

Shrinivasan wrote:He {Aatish Taseer} is an illegitimate son of Salman Taseer, if he lived and studied in India, how come he has a Paki passport?

Where do you have it from, that he is a Pakistani passport holder? He is a British citizen, raised in India.

Sriman · Post by **Sriman** » 16 Jul 2011 14:36

Shrinivasan wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aatish_Taseer
He is an illegitimate son of Salman Taseer, if he lived and studied in India, how come he has a Paki passport?

Aatish Taseer has a British passport because he was born in London.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Jul 2011 14:44

RajeshA wrote:
Shrinivasan wrote:He {Aatish Taseer} is an illegitimate son of Salman Taseer, if he lived and studied in India, how come he has a Paki passport?
Where do you have it from, that he is a Pakistani passport holder? He is a British citizen, raised in India.

Unless Shrinivasanji knows personally that he has a Pakistani passport?

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 16 Jul 2011 15:37

rajanb wrote: Unless Shrinivasanji knows personally that he has a Pakistani passport?

Sorry guys, I confuses this son with another son who was detained in the US recently, who had a Paki passport.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 16 Jul 2011 16:36

Yes, Aatish is Tavleen Singh's son, and an outstanding writer with a great ability for precise articulation, and super-keen observation skills. He could only have got it from his mother. His father, and grandfather, contrary to public knowledge in the US at least were both men of poorer substance than might first appear to be the case. His grandfather was an out-and-out bigot and is easily dismissed as nothing much more. His father, a more complex animal, was a selective bigot with a keen sense of media-management. He did not want to acknowledge his son, Aatish, whom he fathered out of wedlock, for years and years. He hated India, and dismissed it with the casual ease of a Pakistani elitist who naturally identifies himself with "Americans, Army, Arabs and Allah" - without bothering to educate himself about the fast changing facts on the ground. I'd like to think that if he knew anything about India's space industry, he would have thought twice before sending that tweet - but may be he would not, because he was that way. He felt naturally superior to these short, dark, dirty, rice eating Hindus. His ancestors had ruled over them for centuries, you see. He was taller, fairer, meatier and hell, just generally more good looking. And you can see this reflected in his children's comments; when it comes to India, they don't stray from the party line.

So, one might ask, why did he support that poor Christian woman accused of blasphemy. He did so for the same reason any of us in India would support an unfairly treated human being in our country. Salman was a patriotic Pakistani, and he probably really believed Pakistan should Islamic, but "Islam lite" - which allowed wealthy elites like him to continue living their extravagant lives while the poor majority got as Islamic as they wanted. The twain were not supposed to meet, and the Christian woman's plight was squarely in the realm of the poor majority. Salman, being ever the politican, in a display of Punjabi bravado combined with media opportunity and an eye on Western goodwill, decided to make them meet. They did, and ended with dozens of bullets in his back. This would not have happened in the Pakistan of the time when he had his affair with Tavleen and disowned his son; but the military which he has long supported, made it so.

(This leads me back to my point in another thread yesterday about the technical definition of "basturd"; Aatish, while a ******** - which I consider an unnecessary word to describe status rather than a slur - is a good and decent human being, like his mother Tavleen. Thank god she raised him!!! Salman Taseer, on the other hand, was a basturd).

The son is a better man and will certainly make a greater name for himself than his father did when he was alive, and definitely more than his other offspring who only got facetime in the media because the father was murdered. I've left a comment under Aatish's article in WSJ:

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The article by Aatish Taseer is very timely and and entirely accurate in its assessment of the psyche of Pakistanis, and the nation as it was conceived. Observe what he has pointed out, which are facts: the Pakistani nation, upon its creation, chose to turn its back on millennia of cultural and civilisational heritage. It portrays itself to be more Islamic than the Muslims of Arabia, only to receive their sneering condescension - and occasional handouts to keep it from total collapse, and to keep the dream of the Islamic bomb within transferable reach, just in case no doubt.

Pakistan meanwhile sees the epitome of all that it has rejected - India - prosper and thrive in its chaotic, pluralistic, democratic way; and some of them look upon it with a sad longing. But on snapping out of it, that experience only reinforces their animosity and their desire to bring that crazy pluralistic democracy next door crashing down - because that is all they can do; they cannot change themselves you see, because they are already getting close to being as Islamic as you can be, as close to the koran as you can be. Notice the growing power of the Pakistani Taliban, and their incestuous mutually controlling relationship with the military.

Caught in this religious and psychological vice, Pakistan sits there resentful, angry, mutiliating itself and nuclear armed, with the military in control. Combine that in a country whose name Pakistan means "Land of the Pure", whose major media group is named "Jang" (meaning War), and whose military's motto is "Iman, Taqwa, Jihad fi Sabilillah (Faith, Piety and Jihad in the way of Allah) - and you have a potent mixture for nuclear madness. And this madness must either consume itself, and end the state of Pakistan as we know it, or it will lead global nuclear war. The choice is quite clear. And it is only a matter of time before the rest of the world will have to make it.

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Jul 2011 16:54

He is an illegitimate son of Salman Taseer, if he lived and studied in India, how come he has a Paki passport?

Well, he doesn't have a Paki passport and mentions in his superb book "Journeys through Islamic lands" about his taking a visa to Pak.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Jul 2011 17:08

Shrinivasan wrote:It was not just US funds... the whole thing started with Gandhi's largess of forex . . .

In the period between 1960-1970, India paid GBP 62 million to TSP to build replacement works on the Indus system of rivers. Pakistan is yet to pay us seigniorage charges which it agreed to pay in 1948 and stopped in 1950.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 17:19

Muhammad Taseer, Salman Taseer's father, married an Englishwoman.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 17:26

Shrinivasan wrote: SDREs always want to be right, even when they are not... so they need to retort, respond to anything... they don't to let go of any opportunity to hit back, to defend their turf etc... like a game of Khabadi... only there is not raiding here only defence... i think it is more cultural. I have seen Jews of Irish just taking a mild jab across a dinner table or over drinks as a mild banter and move on.. SDREs have to defend, give it back or explain it... they lose the whole point of the joke and turn it into a political discourse on all sides... eventually end up as very bad dinner/drinks companions... Chillaks...

Perhaps you are right - but that is not my reading. Indians have a serious inferiority complex that causes them to react in this manner. Hence the lungi dance with Pakis whom we think we have overtaken after a period of inferiority and dhoti shivering with Khanland/China. Neither reaction is necessary.

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Jul 2011 17:50

Yes Shrini and Shiv.

I have noticed a majority lacking an SOH (Sense of Humour). Nothing like getting back at someone in a decent humourous way.
Also very few who post here, have an SOH. I know the topics are serious. But hell, why not a little bit of humourous sparring to liven life up.

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 16 Jul 2011 18:31

Pasha in DC

And the daily Yawn editorial doesn't question why its a general and not the PM who made this trip.

AFTER more than two months of mutual suspicion and public disagreement, positive signs are finally emerging about the state of the US-Pakistan alliance. ISI chief Lt-Gen Shuja Pasha`s trip to Washington this week made him the first high-profile Pakistani visitor to the US since the May 2 Osama bin Laden operation that at one point seemed to have resulted in a breakdown of the relationship.

Gen Pasha`s trip followed visits to Islamabad this week by Gen Petraeus, Lt-Gen Allen, his soon-to-be successor as the commander of American and Nato troops in Afghanistan, and Centcom commander Gen Mattis.

I am constantly shaking my head in disbelief. This nutty dysfunctional nation is the only one I know of where instead of the "civilian leadership" (now, there's a paki oxy-moron) being in the forefront of international decisions, it is the head of the intelligence that is summoned to discuss floundering foreign relations. Its the same when visiting foreign dignitaries make it a point to first meet Kayani and other military brass instead of the paki president and PM. What kind of respect and sobriety then should the pakis expect from the rest of the world? Then they bleat about lost H&D. The pakis should now realize that they are being traded and treated as global playdough. At the end of the play date, all playdough ends up forgotten at the back of the drawer or in the trash can of oblivion.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 16 Jul 2011 18:43

Graphically put, playdough! Surely the non-nation of Pakistan, which never embraced democracy,will be forced down into a shapeless mass of playdough and trashed.The very Jahannum (oblivion) they keep talking of, is waiting to engulf them,because they did not heed a good neighbour and instead went to war with it three times. As if one loss of its eastern wing was not enough,they began losing out on the Afghanistan front as well.Internally disintegrated, with China deciding important things for them, Saudi pampering them with terror funds, and USA playing them like a punching bag,this sorry state of Pakistan is primed for internal destruction.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 19:26

Taseeriana:-

1. Huguenot genealogy
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/20052011/page16.shtml

2. M.D. Taseer's Cambridge days
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/27052011/page20.shtml

3. Early days of M.D. Taseer's marriage
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/03062011/page16.shtml

4. Srinagar:
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/10062011/page16.shtml

5. 1944 onwards:
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/tft ... 24&page=16

Salman Taseer's childhood:
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/14012011/page24.shtml

Why the post? Because I think this is a study in how the choice between Pakistaniyat and a true cosmopolitanism was available to Salman Taseer; and we all know what he chose.

Anindya · Post by **Anindya** » 16 Jul 2011 19:31

A_Gupta wrote:Muhammad Taseer, Salman Taseer's father, married an Englishwoman.

Muhammed Taseer, Salman Taseer's father, was a great admirer of Illamuddin, a well known Hindu killer.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 19:37

Anindya wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:Muhammad Taseer, Salman Taseer's father, married an Englishwoman.
Muhammed Taseer, Salman Taseer's father, was a great admirer of Illamuddin, a well known Hindu killer.

Yes,
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110110/edit.htm#5

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 16 Jul 2011 19:40

Interestingly Pakistaniyat kills Pakistaniyat. Wonder who had more of it . Qadri or Salman Tasser.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 19:46

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/15/cia-usa

Campaigners seek arrest of former CIA legal chief over Pakistan drone attacks

UK human rights lawyer leads bid to have John Rizzo arrested over claims he approved attacks that killed hundreds of people

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 19:48

Farhat Taj, in the Daily Times
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_4
Reproduced for this line:

The British colonials have also left behind this stereotype: “Rule the Punjabi, intimidate the Sindhi, honour the Baloch and buy a Pakhtun.”

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Jul 2011 19:55

The Atish Taseer article confirms a well known fact - the so-called liberal elite of TSP are not the same as the liberal elite of india - they hate India and they are no different from the fanatic barbarian terrorists who are the other 99%. This is amply proved not just by the fact that over 500 Barelvi mullabaric animals who were supposedly moderate, endorsed Salman Taseer's qadrification (that is the equivalent of every Shankaracharya or head of all mutts issuing a statement that Graham Staines killing was perfectly acceptable), it is proved by the fact that Salman Taseer himself was a anti-India bigot. If that is case of the so called liberals, one can imagine the thoughts and feelings of the real barbarian abduls...this means talking to them is pointless.

That leaves only one possible solution on the table to this long term threat to world civilisation - nuke it, destroy it and may the land be populated by human beings after a long gap.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Jul 2011 19:59

From the Tribune article:

There is a strange coincidence. His father too had praised, defended and arranged for the funeral of Illamddin in 1929 because Illamddin, who had killed Rajpal Malhotra, the owner of Hind Pocket Books and father of former Punjab Governor Surender Nath because of his comments on Holy Prophet.

Ironic father defending a Person who killed someone who 'blasphemed', and son gets Quadrified for the same offense. Or is it Karma in action?

thayilv · Post by **thayilv** » 16 Jul 2011 20:04

Despite his father rejecting him and the hostile relationship they had (they were not on talking terms for three years) he still kept his fathers surname.
I wonder why....

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 16 Jul 2011 20:10

:^ The paki genome

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 16 Jul 2011 20:15

Suppiah wrote:The Atish Taseer article confirms a well known fact - the so-called liberal elite of TSP are not the same as the liberal elite of india - they hate India and they are no different from the fanatic barbarian terrorists who are the other 99%.

Suppiah, the Pakistani 'liberals' want to appear 'liberal' to their Western friends but they conceal a dagger beneath their 'liberal cloak' for India. The other illiberal, extremist Pakistanis carry it openly.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 20:17

rajanb wrote:Yes Shrini and Shiv.

I have noticed a majority lacking an SOH (Sense of Humour). Nothing like getting back at someone in a decent humourous way.
Also very few who post here, have an SOH. I know the topics are serious. But hell, why not a little bit of humourous sparring to liven life up.

Rajan. We are going OT. When I lived abroad - because of my excellent English (Macaulay was my great-grandfather) and school background and ability to eat/drink anything I had no trouble being one of the boys with everyone else. But not all Indians are like that. And many were tongue tied and could not understand what was funny and when they were serious they said things that were considered funny, which they did not understand either. A huge number do not have control over English the way we do. In Hindi or Tamil they could certainly give people a run for their money. I believe it is Macaulay speaking when we go abroad and judge Indians by our personal standards about their sense of humor at a dinner party with firangis. That is IMO akin to Nirad Chaudhuri judging Indians by their presence or absence in Operas and plays.

I will drop the subject or I will never stop - I have one heck of a lot to say...

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 16 Jul 2011 20:18

Guys don't be judgemental please. We do not know the reason why Aatish Taseer kept this surname and not the other... What we do know is that he has written an article which is extremely penetrating, and more importantly, accessible to people in key positions in the west and general public (see the comments section). Its value is immense in terms of chipping away at the RAPE facade. Let's not create unnecessary opponents. Clearly, from his writing, the man is as far from a Paki as can be. We need to encourage him to write more like this...

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 16 Jul 2011 20:19

From such gup..those wondering who is Gen.Flower...gul khile gulshan gulshan..

General Flower, once the all-powerful head honcho of the Invisible Soldiers Inc, has been blessed with a grandson recently. Guess what he's named him? Osama, of course.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 20:23

thayilv wrote:Despite his father rejecting him and the hostile relationship they had (they were not on talking terms for three years) he still kept his fathers surname.
I wonder why....

Maybe that way mother would know which man fathered her children? It is easy to lose track after a bit. After all whoda thunk "Norah Jones" had SDRE music in here genes? Also could be a very very feminine barb to remind all other women that Taseer had that "I was there first".

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 16 Jul 2011 20:28

SSridhar wrote:
Suppiah wrote:The Atish Taseer article confirms a well known fact - the so-called liberal elite of TSP are not the same as the liberal elite of india - they hate India and they are no different from the fanatic barbarian terrorists who are the other 99%.
Suppiah, the Pakistani 'liberals' want to appear 'liberal' to their Western friends but they conceal a dagger beneath their 'liberal cloak' for India. The other illiberal, extremist Pakistanis carry it openly.

That makes the 0.01% = 99.99% Mission accomplished kind of articles/comments/opinions expressed by our liberal elite who claim we are all suffering from terrorism, are not just treacherous lies but also an open invitations to terrorism. No wonder so many of us are dying like dogs without any way of getting back at the killers, with such traitors in our midst..

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Jul 2011 20:40

A Pakistani "liberal" (from Chai Ghar and elsewhere) finds that A. Taseer's article merely reveals his hatred of his father.

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 16 Jul 2011 20:47

Suppiah wrote:The Atish Taseer article confirms a well known fact - the so-called liberal elite of TSP are not the same as the liberal elite of india

No. They are both the same.. They both hate Hindus... thats why they are butt buddies!

Sorry for the OT! That was such a low hanging fruit, I couldn't resist!

rajanb · Post by **rajanb** » 16 Jul 2011 20:59

SSridhar wrote:
Suppiah wrote:The Atish Taseer article confirms a well known fact - the so-called liberal elite of TSP are not the same as the liberal elite of india - they hate India and they are no different from the fanatic barbarian terrorists who are the other 99%.
Suppiah, the Pakistani 'liberals' want to appear 'liberal' to their Western friends but they conceal a dagger beneath their 'liberal cloak' for India. The other illiberal, extremist Pakistanis carry it openly.

SSridhar. True. And I will take it one step further. Having known one of the 22 families, I discovered one thing. They may not hate the westerners as much as they hate us. However, they supplicate themselves to the west to get what they want, and then the dagger is brandished behind the westerners back. The abuse, the ridicule is witness to a back stabbing society. That seems to be borne out by the deceit that there relations with the west has been cloaked with.

Another interesting thing. The purest of the pure rich throw such parties where the choice of alcohol they serve will boggle your mind. And guess what? In those days, Christains could buy liquor. So Christain domestic help was the fashion of the day!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Jul 2011 21:14

rajanb wrote: SSridhar. True. And I will take it one step further. Having known one of the 22 families, I discovered one thing. They may not hate the westerners as much as they hate us. However, they supplicate themselves to the west to get what they want, and then the dagger is brandished behind the westerners back. The abuse, the ridicule is witness to a back stabbing society. That seems to be borne out by the deceit that there relations with the west has been cloaked with.

Another interesting thing. The purest of the pure rich throw such parties where the choice of alcohol they serve will boggle your mind. And guess what? In those days, Christains could buy liquor. So Christain domestic help was the fashion of the day!

Interesting stuff.

When I got married my wife and I lived in the UK as newlyweds. Our neighbor was a Pakistani doc who was also newly married. The wives would get together and my wife recalls being amazed at the wealth of the family of a Paki army officer's daughter. The photos of wedding jewellery included sheets of gold, platinum and diamonds. The wealthy of Pakistan believed that they represented all of Pakistan and completely ignored the mango Abdul who has relentlessly done hukku pukku under his wife's burqa to produce 180 zillion Pakcee yahoos up from 110 million in those days.