Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 18 Jul 2011 23:43

with respect to beheadings an interesting article. Though not related to TSP it will further add to the horror of beheading. Interesting article in a horrific manner.

http://www.damninteresting.com/lucid-decapitation/

jrjrao · Post by **jrjrao** » 18 Jul 2011 23:48

As expected, the Aatish Taseer article has lit the fuse of some unwelcome firecrackers up Ejaz Haider's musharraf.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/212319/aati ... onal-fire/

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 18 Jul 2011 23:58

They did the same to Lt. Saurabh Kalia, the Pak Army that time. The Brave Uniformed man got an even worse treatment.As you sow, so you reap. But will they learn their lesson, guess not.

MurthyB · Post by **MurthyB** » 19 Jul 2011 00:23

Manny wrote:WARNING Very Graphic.

Pakistan.. You gottu luv em

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1c4_1310684156

Damm, even with a severe cold, the cameraman makes sure the show goes on. Someone get that mujahid birader some vicks!

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 19 Jul 2011 00:26

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/1 ... 01371.html

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Jul 2011 00:49

nataraja wrote:3. Accept graciously that we may not be as good looking as them.

Dude, what is wrong with you?

1) Who is "we" and who is "them"? Hindu punjabis, sikh punjabis, and muslim punjabis are the same "race": there is no distinction. Some are fair, some are dark, some are tall, some are short, some are good looking, others not; these are natural variations within the same "race". Same goes for hindu sindhis and muslim sindhis, hindu bengalis and muslim bengalis, hindu gujaratis and muslim gujaratis. Why are you giving Jinnah's retarded and idiotic two nation theory a racial basis? Not that it validates anything, but it just doesn't exist. Anyway, punjabis/bengalis/sindhis/gujaratis are not even a race; personally I think most Indians are the same race, even though it is completely irrelevant.

2) Inbreeding or incest is not good for brains, strength or looks. It makes you resemble a goat's testikle. Exhibit A: your neighbour to the west.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jul 2011 00:59

Prayers heard and A Divine Sign for Poakashnastan

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jul 2011 02:05

Published on Jul 18, 2011
By Josh Rogin
House Foreign Affairs Committee (HFAC) to propose cutting aid to Pakistan, Lebanon, Palestine: Foreign Policy

The draft version of the bill, obtained by The Cable, would prevent the allocation of any funds that fall under the State Department's jurisdiction to the government of Pakistan until the administration can reassure Congress that Pakistan is assisting with the investigation into who helped hide Osama bin Laden, a step that will include making bin Laden's relatives available to the U.S. government. Islamabad must also demonstrate that it is not holding up visas for U.S. personnel who are set to go to Pakistan and not diverting U.S.-provided weapons for purposes other than fighting terrorists along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

That would effectively defund the Kerry-Lugar aid program, which allocated $1.5 billion in fiscal 2012 and another $400 million in foreign military financing. $800 million in U.S. aid was also suspended earlier this month -- but those funds came from the Pentagon's coffers, not the State Department.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 19 Jul 2011 02:17

^ Thats pretty bad. Behind the burkah, pakis really pi$$ed yankees off. What could be the reason???

Did they lie about the whereabouts of their favorite kushpoos, the one-eyed talib or the best-talib?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 19 Jul 2011 02:37

Most likely the See Eye Yeah got wind of a plot by the Packees to renege on their promise to deliver OBL on the eve of US presidential elections. Massa pulled a fast one and preponed the raid by 18 months thereby causing immense loss of honour and dignity. Massa is mighty p155ed of at his unfaithful randy and is refusing to pay for services.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 19 Jul 2011 03:33

^^
Pasha was in Washington just last week, no? I wonder what he refused to do, that another plug is being pulled out by the Yanquis.

Any connection to (1) Mumbai blasts? (2) Killing of Ahmed Wali Karzai, a known CIA operative? DC folks may have quizzed Pasha on ISI links to one or both of those events. Pasha may have refused to divulge information or cooperate.

HFAC evidently wants to cut off Kerry-Lugar aid as part of the proposed bill... wasn't K-L aid supposed to require certification and a "clean chit on terrorism"? Something revealed during Pasha's visit, may have caused that "clean chit" to be denied or rescinded.

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Jul 2011 04:13

Rehman malik saying on TV that the weapons used in Karachi violence are coming from... wait for it.... Israel!

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 19 Jul 2011 04:15

jrjrao wrote:As expected, the Aatish Taseer article has lit the fuse of some unwelcome firecrackers up Ejaz Haider's musharraf.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/212319/aati ... onal-fire/

A Pakistani reply to Ejaz Haider.
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53628

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jul 2011 04:42

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/pakistan ... d-al-qaeda
Pakistan is now institutionalized al Qaeda
A slow slide in the wrong direction

Write it off, Pakistan has cooked its goose – stepped way over the line. The awkward relationship has moved further to one of state enemy than ally. The only thing slowing down catastrophe is Pakistan’s own incompetence.
After losing key rounds in what some al-Qaeda operatives call the “intelligence war,” the terrorist network has introduced a new online course in operational security with material from an unusual source: Pakistan’s powerful spy service.
The Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate has long been accused of coddling militant groups, even while helping the CIA kill or capture dozens of senior al-Qaeda operatives including Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.Now al-Qaeda operatives can study directly from some of the ISI’s training manuals, according to a new report by Abdul Hameed Bakier at The Jamestown Foundation.It’s not clear how the terrorist network got its hands on the documents, which were posted on jihadi Internet forums by al-Qaeda’s Global Islamic Media Front.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 19 Jul 2011 05:03

A_Gupta wrote:
A Pakistani reply to Ejaz Haider.
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53628

It was interesting to come across some Twitter reactions to Mr. Aatish Taseer’s boldly written article, “Why My Father Hated Pakistan” that was published in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, which poses some tough questions about the historical and current nature of the military dominated state of Pakistan.

should read India.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Jul 2011 06:39

http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... normal-ops
CIA gets 87 visas to resume normal Gubo ops

WASHINGTON - CIA will resume its normal operations in Pakistan in return for the US spy agency sharing with the Pakistanis more information — “in theory, at least” — about what its operatives are doing in the country under new rules agreed by the intelligence chiefs of the two countries, according to The Washington Post.
In an article published on Monday, the newspaper, citing US and Pakistani officials, gave out some more details of the outcome of the recent meeting in Washington between ISI Chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha and CIA’s acting director Michael Morell, saying there was now renewed cooperation between the feuding “odd couple” of intelligence.
David Ignatius, the noted Post columnist and author, wrote: “The token of renewed cooperation: The Pakistanis have approved 87 visas for CIA officers working in the country ... That will bring the agency back toward normal operations in Pakistan, after what both sides say was a low point after the January arrest of CIA contractor Raymond Davis. He was seized in Lahore after killing two Pakistani surveillants; he was released after the CIA agreed to pay more than $2 million in ‘blood money’ to compensate the families of the two victims.
“Under new rules of the road, the CIA — in theory, at least — will share with the Pakistanis more information about what its operatives are doing in the country. Sources say, for example, that

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 19 Jul 2011 06:43

Seraiki Lok Party President Buland Iqbal Baloch has called for inclusion of Dera Ismail Khan district (presently in NWFP) in Seraiki province in case it is created.

From The News, meanwhile...

The emergence of Seraiki cinema

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Jul 2011 06:48

eklavya wrote:1) Who is "we" and who is "them"? Hindu punjabis, sikh punjabis, and muslim punjabis are the same "race": there is no distinction. Some are fair, some are dark, some are tall, some are short, some are good looking, others not; these are natural variations within the same "race". Same goes for hindu sindhis and muslim sindhis, hindu bengalis and muslim bengalis, hindu gujaratis and muslim gujaratis. Why are you giving Jinnah's retarded and idiotic two nation theory a racial basis? Not that it validates anything, but it just doesn't exist. Anyway, punjabis/bengalis/sindhis/gujaratis are not even a race; personally I think most Indians are the same race, even though it is completely irrelevant.

This is absolutely right. I've said this many times.

Our genetic history is violently in disagreement with all the racial stories we learned as kids. All Indians Tamils to Bengalis to Punjabis and Kashmiris to even Lankans belong predominantly to 4-5 large racial lines. These lines were in India a long time ago, at least 20,000-30,000 years ago. These line constitute 95%+ of the population. A few spurious line exist in the North esp, Himalayas. A few more spurious lines exist in the South and Peninsula. But these are vanishingly small. Often in the 0.01% level.

I had a 'pure' Tamil Brahmin friend have her genes tested and it came out to belong on the Maternal side to the first group to come out of Africa. You know the Australian Aborigines and the Adaman Tribals. We fool ourselves when we pretend we are different races.

If we approach TSPians let us at least approach with truth in our hearts.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Jul 2011 06:48

The line that strikes me is "The country that had begun as a poet's utopia was reduced to ruin and insolvency."

amazing article by Mr. Aatish.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 19 Jul 2011 06:49

I would rather say this to a Pakistani

"You are so handsome I am wondering how your mother/sister is like"

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 19 Jul 2011 07:06

^^^

100% with you on that. next time some paki talks about his supposed TFTA'ness, we should reply, "abbey teri maa bahan kaisi hain rey?"

archan · Post by **archan** » 19 Jul 2011 07:08

please guys..

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Jul 2011 08:35

RajeshA wrote:House Foreign Affairs Committee (HFAC) to propose cutting aid to Pakistan, Lebanon, Palestine: Foreign Policy
The draft version of the bill, obtained by The Cable, would prevent the allocation of any funds that fall under the State Department's jurisdiction to the government of Pakistan until the administration can reassure Congress that Pakistan is assisting with the investigation into who helped hide Osama bin Laden, a step that will include making bin Laden's relatives available to the U.S. government. Islamabad must also demonstrate that it is not holding up visas for U.S. personnel who are set to go to Pakistan and not diverting U.S.-provided weapons for purposes other than fighting terrorists along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

That would effectively defund the Kerry-Lugar aid program, which allocated $1.5 billion in fiscal 2012 and another $400 million in foreign military financing. $800 million in U.S. aid was also suspended earlier this month -- but those funds came from the Pentagon's coffers, not the State Department.

Prem wrote:http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... normal-ops
CIA gets 87 visas to resume normal ops

Normal US tactics. The US has many arrows in its quiver. Pakistan does not have too many and its arrows are getting blunted as well due to the US bypassing Pakistan in its actions. However much the Pakistani Corps Commanders might egg on Kayani & Pasha to be firm with the Americans, they have zilch chance of standing up to the US. The Pakistani arrows also have an expiry date written clearly on them.

It is the usual US tactic to demand more after the other party concedes especially when they know that the other party is caught in a nutcracker.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Jul 2011 08:59

Theo_Fidel wrote:
eklavya wrote:1) Who is "we" and who is "them"? Hindu punjabis, sikh punjabis, and muslim punjabis are the same "race": there is no distinction. Some are fair, some are dark, some are tall, some are short, some are good looking, others not; these are natural variations within the same "race". Same goes for hindu sindhis and muslim sindhis, hindu bengalis and muslim bengalis, hindu gujaratis and muslim gujaratis. Why are you giving Jinnah's retarded and idiotic two nation theory a racial basis? Not that it validates anything, but it just doesn't exist. Anyway, punjabis/bengalis/sindhis/gujaratis are not even a race; personally I think most Indians are the same race, even though it is completely irrelevant.
This is absolutely right. I've said this many times.

Our genetic history is violently in disagreement with all the racial stories we learned as kids. All Indians Tamils to Bengalis to Punjabis and Kashmiris to even Lankans belong predominantly to 4-5 large racial lines. These lines were in India a long time ago, at least 20,000-30,000 years ago. These line constitute 95%+ of the population. A few spurious line exist in the North esp, Himalayas. A few more spurious lines exist in the South and Peninsula. But these are vanishingly small. Often in the 0.01% level.

I had a 'pure' Tamil Brahmin friend have her genes tested and it came out to belong on the Maternal side to the first group to come out of Africa. You know the Australian Aborigines and the Adaman Tribals. We fool ourselves when we pretend we are different races.

If we approach TSPians let us at least approach with truth in our hearts.

The bolded part is not correct, all those people you listed do not belongf to 5 -6 different racial lines, actually they belong to one branch, thus genetically same, with small variations. Now Try telling that to a Paki!

Here is the diagram, look at the red branch:
Indians & South Asians

The diagram is from this article/research:
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/inf ... en.0020215

Here, by genotyping India-born individuals sampled in the United States, we carry out an extensive study of Indian genetic variation. We analyze 1,200 genome-wide polymorphisms in 432 individuals from 15 Indian populations. We find that populations from India, and populations from South Asia more generally, constitute one of the major human subgroups with increased similarity of genetic ancestry. However, only a relatively small amount of genetic differentiation exists among the Indian populations. Although caution is warranted due to the fact that United States–sampled Indian populations do not represent a random sample from India, these results suggest that the frequencies of many genetic variants are distinctive in India compared to other parts of the world and that the effects of population heterogeneity on the production of false positives in association studies may be smaller in Indians (and particularly in Indian-Americans) than might be expected for such a geographically and linguistically diverse subset of the human population.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jul 2011 09:04

Dipankar, Can they target Indians genetically due to the small variation?

Answer in Indian interests thread please.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2011 09:06

SSridhar wrote: The US has many arrows in its quiver. Pakistan does not have too many and its arrows are getting blunted as well due to the US bypassing Pakistan in its actions.

You mean US has many arrows in its quiver and Pakis have many quivers in their shalwars (which normally house only one arrow anyway) ?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 19 Jul 2011 09:16

Ramana, Sorry that actually I do not know. I could spend some time researching that and if find an answer I will post.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Jul 2011 09:21

the taliban executing the PA frontier corps troopers has gone mainstream today - with all international newspapers reporting it. TOI has a large article and three colour photos of it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jul 2011 09:26

That would only promote Pakistan's image as an ally in the war against terror, and support their contention that they have also sacrificed many lives in the war! More money please!

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 19 Jul 2011 09:29

^^^ Can we have a separate thread for genealogy insted of discussing here ?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jul 2011 09:31

Subcontinental Genealogy?

Is there sufficient data out there on this?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 19 Jul 2011 09:31

JE Menon wrote:
shiv wrote:I have the child murder video. I can upload somewhere and provide a url so anyone can download it, tag it on to another video and make it public.
Pls do Shiv.

Krishna, here is the chance...

https://rapidshare.com/files/2295978798 ... dskill.avi

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 19 Jul 2011 09:43

The beheading videos from April 2009 were horrible. It was nothing like one swipe of the sword and the head goes flying, the kind of scenes one sees in some Anime, etc. No this is cutting meat with a very blunt knife, very brutal and hard work!

In comparison, the Pakistani policemen being shot seemed harmless fun!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jul 2011 11:03

Okay folks, bit OT but had to bring this to your attention. Recently stumbled upon this on the internets. Apparently in 1986, a Paki F16 was lost when it hit a wild pig on the run way. It is not known what rank the pig held.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F ... file/1226/

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 19 Jul 2011 11:26

http://www.dawn.com/2011/07/19/ca-surpl ... -fy11.html
Current Account surplus at $542m in FY11

The inflows through overseas Pakistanis rose to $11.2 billion during FY-11. These were 25 per cent higher than previous year but most importantly the amount constituted 44 per cent of entire export proceeds. If the inflows kept increasing, it may be half of the entire export earnings. Analysts said rising remittances invite serious attention of the economic managers as it not only requires protection and continuation of inflow, but also strategy to strengthen this “God-gifted” foreign exchange.

The "God-gifted" record remittances were due to Pakis sending home all their money due to Arab spring of which a substantial part was due to Pakis evacuating from Libya.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 19 Jul 2011 11:35

Dipanker,

You are right. I should have used 'Genetic lines' rather than racial lines. From a genetic perspective we are all apparently one highly inbred extremely young race from Australia to Alaska. There are specific markers that identify the origins of the different lines outside or within India from 20,000+ years ago.

Some of the Sub-continent genetic lines then moved East asia and as far as Australia. Very hard to pin down the major lines.

There are however about 150 or so India specific genotypes. This is what tells geneticists that we have been here for a looong time, amongst other things. For instance my line came from Central Asia and has been in India for 30,000 years. Most Indians would be similarly staggered by what they find.

If you belong to one of these groups, as most TSPians do, you will be genetically flagged as a 'Indian Marker'.
Genetically most TSPians will be flagged with the 'Indian Marker' and genetically identified as Indian.

Must wait for the push to turn this into the 'South Asian Marker'.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 19 Jul 2011 11:58

Anujan wrote:Okay folks, bit OT but had to bring this to your attention. Recently stumbled upon this on the internets. Apparently in 1986, a Paki F16 was lost when it hit a wild pig on the run way. It is not known what rank the pig held.

http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F ... file/1226/

whatthepaki is this:

The aircraft took off from Sargodha AB and hit a wild boar causing the two pilots to eject.

Flying pigs...only in 400% Pinglishland!

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2011 12:21

RajeshA wrote:Video: Taliban slaughter Pakistani soldiers and residents like animals

What is the best way to make it popular with the western media???
My suggestion is to post these URLs as part of our comments to the recent police killing videos saying, this has happened in the past too... blah blah blah... Paki H&D in tatters...one think i notice, most of these victims are FC Cannon fodder!!!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Jul 2011 12:26

Sec. Clinton in India Needs to Deal with Problem of Pakistan: Bruce Riedel

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2011 12:33

A_Gupta wrote:
jrjrao wrote:As expected, the Aatish Taseer article has lit the fuse of some unwelcome firecrackers up Ejaz Haider's musharraf. http://tribune.com.pk/story/212319/aati ... onal-fire/
A Pakistani reply to Ejaz Haider.
http://criticalppp.com/archives/53628

Ejas Haider is a rambling of sorts... long on rhetoric and short on logic. He started to write desiring to counter Astish Taseer but ended up in a muddle... more like Pakee policy. This guy Alamander Mengal has torn Ejas apart...