Intelligence & National Security Discussion

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Jun 2011 16:01

Has the ISI resorted to recruiting Indians as spies?

Sources in the Intelligence Bureau say that they have launched a major operation against collection of such information. It has come to light that those Indians who cross over into Pakistan legally are being lured into becoming spies and work for Pakistan agencies.

Many Indians do cross over into Pakistan in order to meet their relatives or for some other work. A source said that there are at least 1,000 cases in a year, and more often than not, the ISI manages to lure a considerable number of them into becoming spies for them.

Every person crossing into Pakistan has to go through certain routine checks at a police station on the border. There are 12 police stations on the India-Pakistan border, and have officials from the ISI, who conduct the 'routine' questioning, said a source.

The source added that after the officials conduct a thorough background check and grant permission to enter the country, they make the 'offer'.

The IB says that the ISI deals with each person differently.

"In most of the cases that we have dealt with, the offers made are money, women or drugs. In some cases, they even offer diplomatic immunity. While the ISI does live up to most of these promises, diplomatic immunity is never granted," said the source.

Once these persons bite the bait, their job of spying commences once they return to India. The information that they are supposed to supply is normally general in nature, but on some occasions, it is specific.

The source said that most spy agencies do not rely on the internet for information, and prefer having first hand information.

The IB says that in the cases that they have come across so far, the information has been regarding government policy, information relating to certain places or statements by politicians. However some cases are serious where the ISI has asked for specific details of important places along with pictures and other logistics.

The most recent case was that of suspected Pakistani spy Ismail Khan from Karanpur in Rajasthan [ Images ]. His interrogation managed to give Indian agencies a lot of information regarding this modus operandi.

An IB official who questioned Khan said that he had a lot of revealing information which helped them keep a close tab on such operations.

Khan told the IB that there are several police stations known as 'Questioning Centres' which the Indians are taken to before they can actually go about their work.

Khan had gone to Pakistan to meet with his relatives. At one of these centres, the relatives were brought in to convince Khan to take up this assignment. However, after he refused to do so, he was taken to a chamber where an ISI official after one round of trying to convincing him, resorted to threat tactics.

Khan claimed to have had not much of a choice.

"The question of agreeing and then returning to India and not following orders does not arise, since they have our relatives under their control," Khan told one of his IB interrogators.

Upon convincing such persons the ISI imparts 'training' on how information is supposed to be collected and sent. Then the newly inducted' spies' are asked to buy a computer through which the information will need to be sent out.

In addition to this they are also given SIM cards and mobile phones to stay in touch. A large sum of money is also promised a reward, said an IB source.

The IB claims that there could be as many as 5,000 such persons across the country working for the ISI.

5000 Indians working for the Pakis within Desh!!!
I guess the number of Paki spies in Desh will increase further if we count existing "Paki origin" spies in Desh too....huge numbers.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 29 Jun 2011 18:12

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Onlee solution is more people to people contacts, free visa to all pakis who ask and fond welcome in India where our foolish dhimmis can ~~wine~~ ooops dine them

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Jun 2011 21:24

Shyamd, Nat grid will be safe and pucca.

nits · Post by **nits** » 30 Jun 2011 11:54

US-type security pact with BlackBerry?

NEW DELHI: With no clear solution on interception of BlackBerry services is sight, India is working towards a special agreement with the Canadian government that will make it mandatory for the company, Research-In -Motion (RIM), to share information that security agencies are looking for. Canada already has a similar pact with United States.

"This is feasible for India," a government official said and indicated that the issue had figured during the talks between Indian security officials and Canadian National Security Advisor, who had visited New Delhi some time ago.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 30 Jun 2011 23:30

ramana wrote:Shyamd, Nat grid will be safe and pucca.

Inshallah. But you know our mentality.

Already, there are pvt sec guys offering tapping services.

Prabu · Post by **Prabu** » 01 Jul 2011 15:42

sum wrote:^^ Not sure if it reflects poorly on earlier tip-offs of R&AW to IB (that IB doesn't even take RAW tip-offs seriously due to earlier junk) or that the IB culture is screwed and needs a kick on mush to improve??

Not just one kick, repeated kicks in their a$$e$, till they get back in meaningful action. And not only to IB to all otehr agencies and home ministry as well !

What our Mr.Honest PM doing ? He is supposed to be working for 18 hrs for his old age, if the reports are true !

Look at MOSSAD ! how did they perform in UAE ? We need such professionalism. This needs clear VISION and MISSION objectives to be laid down with complete checks and balances.

Let us wake up before another 26/11 happnes !

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 01 Jul 2011 22:00

^^ Minor knitpick. Not sure if you are aware but the Mossad operation in Dubai was a botched attempt to kidnap. They overdosed him. They were meant to kidnap him.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jul 2011 22:01

^^ Yes, but they atleast tried instead of twiddling thumbs and passing on dossier after dossier to each neighbor asking them to send XYZ back to face justice in Desh.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 02 Jul 2011 01:16

sum wrote:^^ Yes, but they atleast tried instead of twiddling thumbs and passing on dossier after dossier to each neighbor asking them to send XYZ back to face justice in Desh.

Desh has a miserable record of prosecuting Pigs captured within Desh... they live luxuriously in our Jails petitioning for pardon / reprive / swapped for hostages while WKK idiots keep shouting for their release.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 02 Jul 2011 03:41

sum wrote:^^ Yes, but they atleast tried instead of twiddling thumbs and passing on dossier after dossier to each neighbor asking them to send XYZ back to face justice in Desh.

The dossier was part of a big strategy. War is not always the answer. Check the Af-Pak discussion for more.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 02 Jul 2011 04:17

shyamd wrote:The dossier was part of a big strategy. War is not always the answer. Check the Af-Pak discussion for more.

This might be a big strategy, might not be... Pak is going down the tube.. maybe India has a big hand in it, or Pakees are drowning in their own muck... at the end of the day, one needs to have a big stick? show that they posses one and not hesitate to use it... In India, our Dhimis are not even able to convince our people that we have a stick vis-a-vis Pak.
today something interesting happened, one my colleagues who is an intern came to me and said "Pakistani Airforce is far superior to Indian Air force, mind you he is well read and not the usual mango Joe of St. Louis." I had to spend 20 minutes convincing him about the relative strengths, weaknesses, Squadron #s, growth plans etc. At the end he says, India has to fight both Pak and China (meaning PRC will intervene on behalf of Pak) and US will support Pak due to US presence in Af-Pak region...

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 02 Jul 2011 04:38

^^ Boss, please see the af-pak thread, its explained there.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 02 Jul 2011 05:05

shyamd wrote:^^ Boss, please see the af-pak thread, its explained there.

Was it for me? what should I look for in the Af-Pak thread?

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 02 Jul 2011 05:22

See http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1119370 onwards

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 02 Jul 2011 10:37

IB angry over NTRO's interception

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2011 03:29

One way to understand why repeated reforms fail in the agencies we should look at why they weere setup intially in that manner. We see repeated patterns of bureaucratic infighting, rules, heirarchies etc. We also see that there are two distinct phases. IB under Mullick never was accused of rogue operations. RAW got a rough deal on that front. Is it due to association with foreign partners in those phases?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2011 10:22

I think that the agencies are being wrongly blamed. The entire govt civil service is the assessment group. The civil service function is to process the information from a variety of sources including agency inputs and make their assessment or policy.
The agencies can be blamed for not providing requisite inputs but if you see the KRC report there were numerous reports from multiple sources of the intrusions.
The hyper imaginative media, brought up on US narrative, misperceived the Indian agencies roles and responsibilities. However it doesn't mean the agencies are very efficient as the repeated calls for reforms indicate.

India doesn't have the US model where assesed stuff is passed. We are mistaken by the word "Analysis" in the agency name. The model is the civil service policy makers make their own assessment based on a variety of sources and formulate their policies for implementation. its convienent to blame the info provider when it is the civil service mis-assessment.

Once we get this then we can look at how to improve the process.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Jul 2011 23:43

If people are still following the Davy case:

LINK

Danish 'no' to Davy extradition 'disappointing': India

July 06, 2011 2:19:45 PM

IANS | New Delhi

India Wednesday said it was disappointed with the Danish court verdict refusing the extradition of Kim Davy, accused in the Purulia arms drop case, on grounds that he could be tortured in India.

"The verdict is very disappointing," Chidambaram told reporters here, dismissing the charge that prisoners were subject to human rights violations in India.

"These apprehensions are completely unfounded," the minister said.

He said the government would file an appeal in a higher court against the verdict. He said if extradited to India, Davy would be tried in an open court on daily basis with consular access.

"Kim Davy will be tried in an open court. He will be produced before the court every day. He will have consular access," said the minister.

He said the ministry of external affairs had been urged to take up the issue with Denmark.

The Danish court, while refusing the extradition on "humanitarian grounds", expressed concern about reports of overcrowded prisons, alleged police torture and poor rights records in India.

Davy, 49, is wanted in India for dropping AK-47 rifles, anti-tank grenades rocket launchers and over 25,000 rounds of ammunition over Purulia in West Bengal on the night of Dec 17, 1995.

The Danish citizen recently told Times Now news channel that the Indian government and its intelligence agencies were aware of the arms drop as it was done to topple the Communist government in West Bengal.

The government and the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which is probing the case, have dismissed the allegations saying Davy was trying to escape extradition to India.

They muff up the case and then lodge protests!

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 07 Jul 2011 05:31

SC daily order on Black Money Case

Today Supreme Court ordered Govt. to constitute a Special Investigation Team to look into the Black money case. It is very interesting that the SC has cited security concerns, and has now specifically ordered that Director, RAW be included in the SIT, who the Govt had left out of the High level Committee constituted earlier.

The whole attitude of the Govt. is suspect. It has filled the High Level Committee with babus only and the investigation has gone nowhere in last 4.5 years. It also opposed the conversion of HLC to a SIT. Now, the SC has gone further and appointed two retired SC judges to the new SIT and placed all members under the retired judges. Interesting things should come out soon now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Jul 2011 02:49

Kautilya's "Arthasastra" translated by Shyama Sastry page 38....

“Not so,” says Pisuna, “for ministers, when called for their opinions regarding a distant undertaking, or an accomplished or an
unaccomplished work, either approach the subject with
indifference or give their opinions half-heartedly. This is a serious
defect. Hence he shall consult such persons as are believed to be
capable of giving decisive opinion regarding those works about
which he seeks for advice. If he consults thus, he can secure good
advice as well as secrecy of counsel."

"Not so," says Kautilya, "for this (kind of seeking for advice)
is infinite and endless. He shall consult three or four ministers.
Consultation with a single (minister) may not lead to any definite
conclusion in cases of complicated issues. A single minister
proceeds willfully and without restraint. In deliberating with two
ministers, the king may be overpowered by their combined action,
or imperiled by their mutual dissension. But with three or four
ministers he will not come to any serious grief, but will arrive at
satisfactory results. With ministers more than four in number, he
will have to come to a decision after a good deal of trouble; nor will
secrecy of counsel be maintained without much trouble. In
accordance with the requirements of place, time, and nature of the
work in view, he may, as he deems it proper, deliberate with one or
two ministers or by himself.

These two paras sum the crux of the assessment problem.

When analysts dont have to implemnt the policy they are awry. When too many folks are consulted it can lead to stasis or leakage.

So need to run a tight ship (small crew) and have policy makers assess the information for they will understand its sigificance.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 09 Jul 2011 05:24

Rearmament of India

During the Kargil War of May-July 1999, the Bofors artillery guns used their firepower with deadly accuracy and destroyed a large number of enemy bunkers and other fortified positions. But there was a problem: Pakistani cannons accurately targeted and destroyed a number of these guns. It was learnt, only after the war, that

Pakistan’s gunners had “weapon-locating” radars that studied the trajectory of the shells fired by the Bofors guns to determine their position. And then the penny dropped: the Pakistani forces were better equipped than Indians. Alarmed, India, without further ado, bought similar equipment, called the ANQ Firefinder, from the United States.

In 2003, the Indian and French Air Forces held a joint exercise. It was found that the French pilots could hook on to the radar system of Indian fighter jets, though they were beyond visibility, and then bring them in the crosshairs of their missiles. In actual war, Indian pilots would have been sitting ducks. Exposed poorly in the exercise, the Indian Air Force is acquiring the same capabilities for its Mirage aircraft from France. Also in the works is a similar indigenous “Beyond Visual Range” missile called the Astra.

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After a long pause, the rearmament of India has begun. New weapon systems are being acquired — combat jets, ships, tanks, artillery guns, missiles, radars, etc — and existing hardware is getting overhauled. Various think-tanks estimate that India will spend anywhere between $75 billion and $100 billion over the next seven years to bolster its military capabilities. The annual defence budget, at almost $41 billion, or a tad over 2 per cent of the gross domestic product, is at an all-time high. Off-book expenditure would make it at least a quarter higher. India finally has more staying power than Pakistan if there is war, defence analysts on both sides of the border have started to say.
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Read on; long and interesting

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 13 Jul 2011 00:21

http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... uote]Intel wing for the CRPF: Not the Right Move
Bibhu Prasad Routray
E-Mail- [email protected]
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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Jul 2011 02:30

Aditya G wrote:http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... uote]Intel wing for the CRPF: Not the Right Move
Bibhu Prasad Routray
E-Mail- [email protected]

[/quote]

The CRPF needs its own information sources especially when the paucity of data it gets leads to its personnel being killed. At a minimum it needs its intel folks to interface with the local police and the IB to understand what info its getting. And in areas that it is deployed it needs to cultivate its own sources to protect itself and to neutralize the threat.

Both local police and IB don't have skin in the game and hence their reports will be vague and not useful.

See Chanakya's dictum above.

sawant · Post by **sawant** » 13 Jul 2011 03:28

Aditya G wrote:http://www.claws.in/index.php?action=ma ... uote]Intel wing for the CRPF: Not the Right Move
Bibhu Prasad Routray
E-Mail- [email protected]

[/quote]

This only begs the question... what guarantee that Pakjabs wont send a nuke or a low yield device our way... what makes us convinced that they are rational enough not to do that ... they are in the worst possible situation now...

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 14 Jul 2011 01:52

There is a parallel with BSF's perceived success with its G-Branch. There is a fine line between duplication of work and dissipation of resources vs empowerment thru own assets.

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 14 Jul 2011 09:46

^^^
Intel branch for CRPF is just another layer of babudom...or
making a total of (n+1) agencies.....
absolutely useless. CRPF, since it handles internal matters, should and ought to
be fed intel gathered by IB/SIB/local police special branch. However, BSF/ITBP is/are
uniquely positioned since they interact with border area population, and hence have
ears to the ground. In fact, in Kashmir G-branch worked very well in nabbing
kashmiri terrorists on several occassions, whereas inside news leaked from
IB/SIB envelopes. in India-BD border G-branch is more effective than the other
agencies in gathering grass-root level intel. They interact with cross-border smugglers
who provide vital info. On the other hand, CRPF will just duplicate what the local
IB/SIB/special branch people are doing.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jul 2011 10:31

Maybe not. Its the CRPF thats getting the casualties in fighting the Naxals. So they need better info on what they are facing.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 14 Jul 2011 11:14

ramana wrote:Maybe not. Its the CRPF thats getting the casualties in fighting the Naxals. So they need better info on what they are facing.

In a way, CRPF having a dedicated intelligence unit is good, a more urgent requirement is to have a centralized analyzing agency which collates intelligence from different agencies and collates, analyze, piece together to get the larger picture. This would help us draw inference faster and also direct our assets to focus on key areas going forward.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Jul 2011 23:55

The Civil service is the assessing agency. Its located in PMO, MOD and MHA.

Its a folly to think there is someone who feeds sacred poop (classified waste) to them. When bad things happen they will blame the agencies as scape bakras.

First of all the intel agenceis are not manned to that job.
Next they are not tasked to do that job.
Next, next the civil service will ignore the reports if by chance someone prepares one. They know best.

Then if disaster happens they will blame the intel agencies. It has happened since JLN and Kashmir "tribal" invasion in 1947.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 15 Jul 2011 00:11

Ever since BSF left J&K hinterland, who has been collecting intel? Is it sufficient to go on without it? Or is it indeed that CRPF's adhoc arrangement has kept things going?

Article from 2005:

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2220/st ... 103000.htm

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Unlike the BSF's intelligence wing, the `G-Branch', the CRPF does not as yet have a large network of assets within terrorist groups. For reasons that will be obvious to intelligence professionals, the G-Branch's assets have been more than a little reluctant to work for new and inexperienced masters. Moreover, the CRPF's independent signals intelligence capabilities, compared with the equipment possessed by the `G-Branch', are rudimentary and its staff, unlike those of the BSF, have not acquired an intimate knowledge of the wireless operations of jehadi groups. Finally, the CRPF's medium weapons and explosives capabilities are frugal, as is appropriate for a police organisation. While such resources are rarely used in counter-terrorism work in Srinagar, they have on occasion been essential for success.

To all of these concerns there are, of course, credible counter-arguments. Much signals-intelligence work in Srinagar now relies not on the interception of traditional wireless traffic but of mobile phone communication, a task that is in the domain of India's domestic covert service, the Intelligence Bureau (I.B.). Given this fact - and the existence of the Indian Army's sophisticated signals intelligence apparatus - the loss of the G-Branch's technical assets, it could be argued, would not be of great significance. Secondly, the police, which will be the principal director of counter-terrorism operations, have demonstrated considerable competence in both offensive and counter-terrorism operations in the recent years. Its counter-terrorism officials have for long worked with the G-Branch and, in many cases, have jointly handled its assets. As such, the handover may be more smooth than might be expected in other circumstances.

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sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Jul 2011 08:21

^^ Article doesn't seem to talk much about the HUMINT part of the G-Branch( how G-Branch would have learnt to cultivate assets etc) and how that might be tough to replace for CRPF than the TECHINT part.

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Jul 2011 10:58

Even TFTA super-duper BND not immune from goof-ups:
German Spy Agency HQ Blueprints Stolen: Report

The German government has launched an investigation into the alleged theft of classified blueprints of the German spy agency's new state-of-the-art headquarters, a government spokesperson said today.

The announcement came after a German magazine, Focus, published a German-language report which claimed the blueprints -- comprised of building plans, alarm systems and locking systems among other features -- had disappeared perhaps as long as a year ago but the disappearance had gone unnoticed until recently.

"It has not yet been possible to verify the authenticity of the reports, but an investigation was launched into the matter on Friday," government spokesperson Steffen Seibert said at a press conference Monday, according to media reports. "It's a serious issue and the government is interested in clearing up this case as quickly as possible."

The new headquarters for the German foreign intelligence service, the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), is reportedly set to be one of the most technologically sophisticated buildings in the world when it is finished in Berlin in 2014. The BND declined to comment on the plans' disappearance, but one representative told Germany's Die Welt newspaper the documents were likely leaked by a construction contractor.

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 16 Jul 2011 20:06

Bhakra Dam on hit-list of LeT and JuD: Intelligence reports
http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed ... 21824.aspx

Pakistan-based terror outfits were specifically training their cadres in cliff-climbing, swimming across water channels and handling explosives with the intention to attack the dam, located near the border between Punjab and Himachal Pradesh.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 18 Jul 2011 11:09

"You know Who" has posted a "Detailed anal-ysis" of the state of India's border roads... titled "India’s Northern Border Roadways: A Shocking National Shame".. take it with a pinch of salt, good reading but not exactly a dothi shiver moment!!! i have deliberately not posted a link. Dunno where the Chor got the info!!!

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 19 Jul 2011 07:48

Terrorists move to Skype, frustrate eavesdroppers

Terrorist organizations targeting India have moved their communications significantly to Internet and other possible innovative means, denying Indian intelligence agencies any major breakthrough yet in their post-Mumbai blasts investigations.

Intelligence agencies have been carrying out intense sweeping of various communication means, especially mobile and satellite networks to see if there are any suspicious phone calls, and any possible contacts between individuals in India and their contacts in Pakistan. It is a standard practice, one which has paid them rich dividends in most investigations in the past.

But this time around, agencies are finding an unusual silence, and almost no contacts across the border. This despite significant upgrade in the eavesdropping capabilities of most agencies in recent times, especially that of Research and Analysis Wing, Intelligence Bureau and NTRO ( National Technical Research Organisation).

A senior intelligence officer said they had for sometime now been suspecting that the terrorists had moved their communications to Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP), a communication technology that helps delivery of voice and multimedia data over Internet.

A senior Army officer said they were getting credible inputs in recent times that Kashmiri terrorists were being provided smart phones from which calls could be made using Skype, the popular Internet VoIP site. Though they haven't yet recovered any such Skype phones, Army found that communications over mobile and Thuraya satellite phones had mostly dried up, he said.

Ever since Indian agencies exhibited that they could easily listen in on radio sets of terrorist groups, they had moved on to satellite phones for their contacts across the border. Indian agencies took sometime to figure out how to listen in on satellite phones, mostly supplied by Thuraya. In recent years, this provided Indian intelligence agencies a wealth of data, and several real time updates on terrorists targeting India.

Now that terrorists have moved to VoIP communications, the Army officer admitted that they would have to figure out "foolproof methods" to monitor communications between India and Pakistan.

A senior officer with one of the intelligence agencies doing technical monitoring said the volume of Internet data in and out of India was so huge that none of the agencies had the manpower to do real time monitoring. "It is a major challenge, a really tough one," he said.

In many bomb blast cases in the past, the key breakthroughs came via intercepted phone calls. During the November 2008 Mumbai attacks, agencies were able to intercept phone conversations between terrorists in Mumbai and their handlers in Karachi that proved their cross-border links and helped investigators complete the narrative. In the case of the 2006 train bomb blasts, the agencies were able to pick up a significant phone call to the Bihar-Nepal border, but it was ignored as the local police built up a fantastical story at the cost of real investigation.

In several other terrorist attacks too, technical intelligence helped Indian investigators achieve breakthrough. Many fear that may have moved into a tougher regime now.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 19 Jul 2011 08:44

One major problem due to the bifurcation of agency areas of responsibility is from terrorists. While in India its IB's responsibility. When the cross the border its RAW. So when there is lots of crossing then it gets murky. A way out is to form counter terrorism teams with both services and let them figure it out.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2011 09:54

ramana wrote:One major problem due to the bifurcation of agency areas of responsibility is from terrorists. While in India its IB's responsibility. When the cross the border its RAW. So when there is lots of crossing then it gets murky. A way out is to form counter terrorism teams with both services and let them figure it out.

which is where NTRO should come in to collate and analyse the data streaming from various organizations. We can form a team with people from different Orgs like IB, RAW, MI etc. Rather than solve a problem this would end up YET another island which does not communicate with other groups. Give significant powers to NTRO and make other orgs funnel their intel for analysis.

sevoke · Post by **sevoke** » 19 Jul 2011 10:53

Nikhil T wrote:IB angry over NTRO's interception

Typical dhoti riff-raff over collective incompetency and general lack of cohesiveness. What the fuk is up with that name: National Technical Research Organization? Seriously. Someone should teach these guys not to come up with impotent, geeky names with no relevance at all.
Thusly, I suggest GoI collectively bring all these "Intelligence" agencies under one umbrella organization called CHOOTIAS= Collective Hubris Of Organized Technical Incoherent Analysis Services.

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 19 Jul 2011 11:31

sevoke wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:IB angry over NTRO's interception
Typical dhoti riff-raff over collective incompetency and general lack of cohesiveness. What the fuk is up with that name: National Technical Research Organization? Seriously. Someone should teach these guys not to come up with impotent, geeky names with no relevance at all.
Thusly, I suggest GoI collectively bring all these "Intelligence" agencies under one umbrella organization called CHOOTIAS= Collective Hubris Of Organized Technical Incoherent Analysis Services.

Sevoke, Relax, A rose by any other name smells as sweet... name is of least significance, actually a low-key impotent name if great as long as the underlying organization is robust. The converse is hardly appealing inspite of a sexy name!!!

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 19 Jul 2011 11:47

the more geeky or featureless the name, the more shadowy it is.

even NTRO is too direct for me, I would have preferred something like 'technical evaluation office' or 'applied sciences dept'.