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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Anantha » 21 Jul 2011 04:49

Regarding the Fai incident
I have followed news on this guy for 15 years now. We should not lose the focus on this.
More than likely the three Kashmir centers were set up by nations inimical to India. Unkil and aunty have always wanted a base in Kashmir. This allows them to manipulate at least 6-8 countries from a single area. It is an extremely important strategic location. The west has used ISI as proxy over the years to work for "freedom" and "self determination" in kashmir. It is very likely the current plan is to cut of China from Northern Kashmir, so that a Pak-China co-operation is cut off.

Also, when the Indian side of Kashmir speaks in such conferences it is ISI words that are being spoken.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby sanjeevpunj » 21 Jul 2011 06:22

Prominent among those who have attended his conferences are Dileep Padgaonkar, who is now one of the three interlocutors for J&K appointed by the Centre, former Delhi High Court Chief Justice Rajinder Sachar, former editor Kuldip Nayar and activist Gautam Navlakha.
Fai is known in India mainly for organising the annual conferences for leading political and intellectual figures, human rights activists as well as Kashmiri separatists from both sides of the Indo-Pak border and Line of Control (LoC). Most of those who attended the conclaves claim they had no idea about his covert association with the ISI.
Source:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/padgaonkar-jandk-interlocutor-is-among-fais-many-guest-speakers/820304/

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 21 Jul 2011 06:24

Marten wrote:imho, one had to be associated in some manner with the likes of Fai to be part of the "back" channel diplomacy that was being praised by folks here.


It is called "confidence" and "creativity" by self-appointed guardians of liberalism.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 21 Jul 2011 07:00

L'affaire Fai: US lawmakers, Indian liberals :(( come under scrutiny

A number of US lawmakers and Indian liberals are coming under scrutiny for their ties to alleged ISI stooge Ghulam Nabi Fai following the FBI expose of his connections to Pakistan's notorious intelligence agency in its quest to reverse Kashmir's accession to India.

At the center of the growing controversy is US Republican Congressman Dan Burton of Indiana, who for years has been a recipient of political contributions from Fai and his Kashmir American Council (KAC), who US investigators have now determined were illegally bankrolled by Pakistan.

A search of Federal Election Commission records and websites tracking political contributions showed Fai and the KAC made a $23,500 contribution to U.S lawmakers and the US political system over the past 15 years, although the FBI estimates that Pakistan funneled in more than $ 4 million in that time to manipulate the debate on Kashmir in its favor. More contributions to the US political system are thought to have come from other Pakistani-ISI proxies, including U.S-based physicians and businessmen.

Among the principal recipients of donations was Congressman Burton who frequently raised the Kashmir issue, echoing spurious and exaggerated charges against Indian security forces. Fai also funneled money to lawmakers Joseph Pitts, James Moran, and Gregory Meeks, among others. Modest contributions were also made to the Gore and Obama campaigns.

But Burton is believed to be the biggest recipient of Pakistani largesse, something Indian officials believed turned him into the biased and vituperative critic of the Indian position on Kashmir.

In a statement following Fai's arrest, Burton acknowledged getting political contributions from him, but maintained that the money is ''completely legal'' because Fai was a US citizen.

''I am deeply shocked by Dr. Fai's arrest. I've known Dr Fai for 20 years and in that time I had no inkling of his involvement with any foreign intelligence operation and had presumed our correspondence was legitimate,'' Burton, who invited the joke ''Empty Burton makes much noise'' :rotfl: among Indian activists for his stridency, said. Burton loosely translates as vessel in Hindi.

''My campaign does not accept contributions from anyone not legally authorized to donate to US political campaigns. However, if there is any doubt about the origin of these contributions, I will donate those funds to the Boy Scouts of America,'' the Indiana lawmaker said, in a mild note of contrition.

Another group which has come under the lens is Indian liberals and so-called bleeding hearts :(( who accepted Fai's and KAC's hospitality to attend conferences and seminars in US on the Kashmir issue where US authorities say Fai and his ISI handlers plied the Pakistani agenda. Indian hypernationalists and right-wingers have identified journalist-activists Kuldip Nayar, Rajinder Sachar, and Gautam Navlakha among those who attended KAC events organized by Fai which turns out were funded by ISI.

US authorities have bluntly stated that Fai and KAC pushed the Pakistan agenda on Kashmir with illicit money, and the hardline nationalist crowd say -- mainly on social networking sites -- that the Indian liberals should have been aware of that. "Many desi Left-libbers will be sleepless tonight...thinking of ways to defend their association with Fai and KAC," one right-wing commentator tweeted on Tuesday.

The so-called Left-lib crowd has been put in a further bind by the blunt U.S stand on how the Kashmir conferences were manipulated. ''Mr. Fai is accused of a decades-long scheme with one purpose – to hide Pakistan's involvement behind his efforts to influence the US government's position on Kashmir,'' US Attorney Neil MacBride said on Monday. ''His handlers in Pakistan allegedly funneled millions through the Kashmir Center to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences, and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington.''

In fact, the FBI affidavit shows that the ISI and the Pakistani government micromanaged KAC conferences and seminars, including dictating which Indian guests and how many would be invited. The affidavit did not name people, but cited one instance where an ISI handler gave Fai a list of Indian nationals to invite to a Kashmir conference in the US. The FBI also recorded Fai's direct contacts with his ISI handlers at one such conference.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 21 Jul 2011 07:03

Money from ISI, donated by Fai, to push America on Kashmir

Pakistan’s military, including the powerful ISI, has spent $4 million over two decades in a covert attempt to tilt American policy against India’s control of much of Kashmir — including funneling campaign donations to members of Congress and presidential candidates, the FBI has claimed.

The FBI made the allegations in a 43-page affidavit filed in connection with the indictment of Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai and Zaheer Ahmad.

According to the affidavit, the activities by Fai’s group, Kashmiri American Council, also called Kashmiri Center, are largely financed by the ISI, along with $100,000 a year in donations to political campaigns in the US. Foreign governments are prohibited from making donations to US political candidates.

Neil MacBride, US Attorney in Virginia, said, “His (Fai’s) handlers in Pakistan allegedly funneled millions through the Kashmir Center to contribute to US elected officials, fund high-profile conferences and pay for other efforts that promoted the Kashmiri cause to decision-makers in Washington.”

The Pakistani Embassy denied knowledge of the matter.

Law enforcement officials said Pakistan used a network of at least 10 unnamed straw contributors, which Ahmad helped organise, to make the campaign contributions and donate the bulk of the Kashmiri Center’s annual operating budget. The ISI would reimburse them — or their families in Pakistan, the officials said.

The goal of the group, according to internal documents cited by the FBI, was to persuade the US that it was in its interest to push India to allow a vote in Kashmir to decide its future.

The FBI said that there was no evidence that any of the lawmakers who received campaign funds from Pakistan were aware of its origins, and it did not name any of the recipients.

However, a search in Federal Elections Commission databases showed that Fai has made more than $20,000 in campaign contributions over the past two decades. The bulk went to two recipients: the National Republican Senatorial Committee and Representative Dan Burton, a Republican from Indiana.

Fai made numerous — though smaller — contributions to Democrats as well, including to representatives James P Moran of Virginia, Dennis J Kucinich of Ohio and Gregory W Meeks of New York, and $250 donations to the 2000 and 2008 presidential campaigns of Al Gore and Barack Obama.

Ahmad also donated to Burton, records show. For at least 15 years, Burton has been a champion for Kashmiri causes in Congress, appealing to Presidents Bill Clinton and Obama to get more involved in attempting to mediate a settlement between India and Pakistan. He has also endorsed allowing the Kashmiri people to vote on their own fate.

Burton said he was “deeply shocked” by the arrest of Fai, because he had known him for 20 years and “in that time I had no inkling of his involvement with any foreign intelligence operation...” He said he would donate the funds provided to his campaign to the Boy Scouts of America.

Fai and Ahmad also donated to representative Joe Pitts, a Pennsylvania Republican who visited the region in 2001 and 2004, meeting Pakistani and Indian leaders. He introduced a resolution in 2004 calling for President George W Bush to appoint a special envoy to help negotiate peace. A spokesman for Pitts said he has donated $4,000 — equal to the donations his campaign received from the two defendants — to charities.

Among the evidence that Fai was working for Pakistan, the affidavit said, are annual budget requests he allegedly submitted to his handlers along with lists of accomplishments and strategic-planning documents. Other documents and intercepts showed that they sometimes quarreled over reimbursing him for travel costs or about contracts for which he had not got advance approval.

The board of the Kashmiri American Council comprises mostly physicians and lawyers from across the US, and election records show that several members have made significant donations to lawmakers who have championed peace in Kashmir.

Gulam Hassan Butt, a retired California physician and member of the council’s board whose name does not appear in the donor database, said in a phone interview that Fai did not inform board members about all the sources of the council’s revenue. “Where does he get the money?” Butt said. “I don’t know. Who gives him the money? I don’t know.” CHARLIE SAVAGE & ERIC SCHMITT

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 21 Jul 2011 07:34

sanjeevpunj wrote:Prominent among those who have attended his conferences are Dileep Padgaonkar, who is now one of the three interlocutors for J&K appointed by the Centre, former Delhi High Court Chief Justice Rajinder Sachar, former editor Kuldip Nayar and activist Gautam Navlakha.
Fai is known in India mainly for organising the annual conferences for leading political and intellectual figures, human rights activists as well as Kashmiri separatists from both sides of the Indo-Pak border and Line of Control (LoC). Most of those who attended the conclaves claim they had no idea about his covert association with the ISI.
Source:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/padgaonkar-jandk-interlocutor-is-among-fais-many-guest-speakers/820304/


This is same Chief Justice Rajinder Sachar who prepared the "Sachar committee report".

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 21 Jul 2011 07:42

Dipanker wrote:
sanjeevpunj wrote:Prominent among those who have attended his conferences are Dileep Padgaonkar, who is now one of the three interlocutors for J&K appointed by the Centre, former Delhi High Court Chief Justice Rajinder Sachar, former editor Kuldip Nayar and activist Gautam Navlakha.
Fai is known in India mainly for organising the annual conferences for leading political and intellectual figures, human rights activists as well as Kashmiri separatists from both sides of the Indo-Pak border and Line of Control (LoC). Most of those who attended the conclaves claim they had no idea about his covert association with the ISI.
Source:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/padgaonkar-jandk-interlocutor-is-among-fais-many-guest-speakers/820304/


This is same Chief Justice Rajinder Sachar who prepared the "Sachar committee report".



Who else??

The report could have easily been written by the ISI itself!!

One rarely sees such an openly biased work of art.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Dipanker » 21 Jul 2011 07:49

Both Rajinder Sachar and Dilip Padgaonkar were commissioned by our Prime Minister, sorry to say but now I am suspecting his integrity too.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Anindya » 21 Jul 2011 07:54

Perhaps, they were commissioned specifically because a certain outcome was desired.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Jarita » 21 Jul 2011 08:01

^^^ You bet.
uggghh! edited under threat of soosai
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby abhishek_sharma » 21 Jul 2011 08:02

^ Don't do soosai...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ramana » 21 Jul 2011 09:26

Indian guests for ISI funded Fai cell

...Sources said journalists such as Kuldip Nayar, Dileep Padgaonkar, Harinder Baweja, Ved Bhasin, Rajmohan Gandhi and activists Rita Manchanda and Gautam Navlakha and politician Subramanian Swamy had attended some of these seminars.

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Veteran journalist Dileep Padgaonkar attended a KAC seminar “several years back”. Padgaonkar said he did not remember the year now but he “quite liked the meeting and did not suspect any hanky-panky”. The journalist said he felt there was a need to put forward the Indian point of view even if the outfit was pro-Pakistan.

“This was a time before Google searches or deep background searches. There were leading journalists from Pakistan attending the seminar. We had no idea about Fai’s connections. I wouldn’t have gone had I known or had there been even the faintest of suspicions (about the source of the KAC funds),” Padgaonkar added.

Padgaonkar said he declined a few months back “a similar invite from a London-based Kashmiri barrister (Abdul Majeed) Tramboo to attend a seminar on Kashmir in Brussels after my sources told me the outfit was dubious”.....



How can PAdgoankar continue as a GOI interlocutor after this?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Pratyush » 21 Jul 2011 09:33

Ramana,

You really think after all that has happned that this GOI. will remove the 3 musketiers.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ramana » 21 Jul 2011 09:35

Why don't you launch a social media campaign? Here is a good chance to test the system.

create a web page and get it spread.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ramana » 21 Jul 2011 09:38

i just tweeted it.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Vikas » 21 Jul 2011 09:54

GoI will feign ignorance as if nothing has happened. The PM as usual will be conspicuous by his absence from the scene.
The media and all those caught with their pants down will put a spin on the whole thing and the show will go on.
How long before someone on BRF claims that Fai was RAA agint planted by GoI as part of Chanikian move.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Aditya_V » 21 Jul 2011 11:46

I think we should discuss this in the Internal security watch threat, there is no doubt now that there is some connection between Foreign money, certain Elite Politicians both BJP, INC others, Indian Leftists, NGO's and above all certain Media Orgs in India. UNless there is huge public outcry, these psy-ops against India will not stop.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshA » 21 Jul 2011 12:28

abhishek_sharma wrote:L'affaire Fai: US lawmakers, Indian liberals :(( come under scrutiny

'I am deeply shocked by Dr. Fai's arrest. I've known Dr Fai for 20 years and in that time I had no inkling of his involvement with any foreign intelligence operation and had presumed our correspondence was legitimate,'' Burton, who invited the joke ''Empty Burton makes much noise'' :rotfl: among Indian activists for his stridency, said. Burton loosely translates as vessel in Hindi.

Dan Burton also sounds like 'dhan bartan', vessel for collecting wealth, which he did from the Pakis. :D

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Shrinivasan » 21 Jul 2011 12:53

RajeshA wrote:Dan Burton also sounds like 'dhan bartan', vessel for collecting wealth, which he did from the Pakis. :D
the Bhartan word-play by TOILet was a good one... I notice one thing of late. Both TOILet and Chindu seem to be writing Pro-India pieces. ditto for UndieTV. what do you think?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Jarita » 21 Jul 2011 15:54

^^^
Hillary Clinton visit? India must have signed some nice deals

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby CRamS » 21 Jul 2011 23:39

Dipanker wrote:Both Rajinder Sachar and Dilip Padgaonkar were commissioned by our Prime Minister, sorry to say but now I am suspecting his integrity too.


I don't know if it has anything to do with MMS's integrity, but rather his predilection and "South Asia" worldview which is in contrast to an Indian nationalist worldview. Does anybody, even his admirers on this forum, have an ounce of a doubt, that at his core, MMS wants to grant KMs some form of "independence" or at least dilute India's soverignty over the Kashmir valley? He may not be able to do it easily given India's parliamentary democratic constraints, but thats his essential pre-dilection. So I am sure MMS will not participate in an ISI-sponosred event, but his wordview suits ISI, Fai, WKKs etc just fine.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Jul 2011 01:38

To note that even in 1994, the GOI was identifying Ghulam Nabi Fai as the paid lobbyist of a front representing forces sponsoring terrorism.

To note that if Fai had registered himself as a foreign agent (of say, the Hurriyat or JKLF or whatever XYZ) everything he did would have been legal (of course, everything he published would have to say that he was doing it on behalf of XYZ).

To note therefore that Fai lying about his not being an agent was to cover up the connection with Pakistan - but who was he trying to fool? The Indians suspected/knew; US intelligence must have known; perhaps the politicians did not know. The real targets of the lie however were, I think the Kashmiris and the takleef emanating from those quarters would substantiate that.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 22 Jul 2011 04:40

That was quick!

Knives are already out by people who think that padgaonkar is poaching on their territory 8)


Fai sponsorship splits J&K panel, Ansari slams Padgaonkar





The fact that Dileep Padgaonkar, one of the three Central interlocutors for J&K, attended an “international conference” organised by US-based Kashmiri separatist Ghulam Nabi Fai, arrested by the FBI for illegally lobbying for Pakistan and ISI, has not gone down well with another interlocutor, former CIC M M Ansari.



Reacting to The Indian Express report today that in 2005, Padgaonkar accepted Fai’s all-expense-paid offer to attend a conference on Kashmir in the US, Ansari said: “It is very strange and unfortunate. We need persons of impeccable integrity and character to resolve an issue as contentious as Kashmir. Was the Government of India aware about Dileep attending the conference organised by Fai before it appointed him?”

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby sanjeevpunj » 22 Jul 2011 06:40

I am glad someone decided to render this smelly (Paadgaonkar) journalist irrelevant, but what about Ansari himself? Is he deskhbhakt?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 22 Jul 2011 06:43

sanjeevpunj wrote:I am glad someone decided to render this smelly (Paadgaonkar) journalist irrelevant, but what about Ansari himself? Is he deskhbhakt?



Ansari is ansaribhakt onlee :)

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby chetak » 22 Jul 2011 06:58

There is little doubt now that ISI was directly responsible for the invitations of Indian stooges.


Fai was point man for Hurriyat leaders in US

According to the FBI, Fai received more than USD 4 million in the past several years from the ISI to lobby on behalf of Pakistan before the administration and the US lawmakers on the issue of Kashmir.


While Fai publicly stated that he represented the people of Kashmir, the FBI affidavit claims that Fai in deed worked for the ISI; wherein his ISI handlers in Pakistan determined what Fai was going to speak, what would be his agenda and even who to invited to his conferences.Even this year in February, Kashmiri American Council and Fai were instrumental in hosting a public lecture for Mirwaiz at the George Mason University. "I would like to thank the people of Pakistan for their complete and unconditional solidarity with the people of

Jammu and Kashmir [ Images ] and their eagerness to help the people of Kashmir to exercise their right to self-determination which was guaranteed at the United Nations Security Council as early as 1948," said Mirwaiz, while addressing a seminar titled 'India- Pakistan Relations: Breaking the Deadlock Over Kashmir', according to a press release issued by Fai on February 6 this year after the conference.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Muppalla » 22 Jul 2011 07:05

Probably Hurriat is being dumped

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby krisna » 22 Jul 2011 08:43

Arrest creates ripples among interlocutors
we all know the news, but what caught my eye was this benis material.

Brylcreem” and “30 plus” were some of the codes used for monetary transactions between Pakistan’s snooping agency ISI and Kashmiri propagandist Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, PTI reports from Washington DC.

Investigators said Fai’s Pakistani handler Javed Azeed Khan asked him if he had received all the goods. In reply Fai told him everything has been received except “Brylcreem, 75 milligram”. Investigators suspected this was a code for the transferring $75,000 demanded by Fai from his ISI-handlers.


:rotfl:

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Prem » 22 Jul 2011 09:14

chetak wrote:
sanjeevpunj wrote:I am glad someone decided to render this smelly (Paadgaonkar) journalist irrelevant, but what about Ansari himself? Is he deskhbhakt?

Ansari is ansaribhakt onlee :)


Chor ki darri me tinka?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby krisna » 22 Jul 2011 09:15

Are they just ‘useful idiots’?
See this list of seculars and liberals. Justice Rajinder Sachar, author of the famous Sachar Committee Report on the state of Indian Muslims; Dileep Padgaonkar, one of the three interlocutors on J&K appointed by the central government; Harish Khare, the media adviser to the prime minister; Rita Manchanda, the India/Pakistan Local Partner for Women Waging Peace; Ved Bhasin, editor, Kashmir Times; Harinder Baweja, editor (investigations), Headlines Today; Gautam Navlakha and Kamal Chenoy, human rights activists, and; Praful Bidwai, well-known columnist. This is the illustrative list of popular Indian liberals who exert powerful influence over the Indian discourse — be it on Kashmir or secularism or on corruption or communalism or on Narendra Modi or Sonia Gandhi.


Fai was arrested in US not for working to drive India out of Kashmir — as it is not an offence under the US law — but for the offence of funnelling ISI money to buy influence over US officials for Pakistan.


Under the Indian law, the case against the Indian liberals in Fai’s list may well be one of sedition if they had known who Fai was, or if they had not, they could be well just his “useful idiots” as a former editor, R Jaganathan, wrote in his brilliant column in firstpost.com. But are they just useful idiots or more?


It appears to have got the details of some 4,000 e-mail and telephone exchanges with his handlers in Pakistan.


According to the report, the confidential witness seems to have confessed that, “of the statements Fai makes, 80 per cent are provided by the ISI for Fai to repeat and disseminate verbatim. The other 20 per cent of the KAC’s messaging consists of Fai’s own ideas, which have been pre-approved by the ISI”. So Fai is a hundred per cent ISI mouthpiece.


According to reports, Fai, assisted in his objectives by our liberals, was so effective in hurting India’s interests, that, to counter him, the Indian government specially had to appoint Wajahat Habibullah, a Kashmir cadre IAS officer who retired last year, as minister, community affairs, in its embassy in Washington. Imagine. On the one hand, the present media adviser to the prime minister and one of the three present interlocutors of the government on J&K had worked to hurt India’s interests in the way the ISI was conspiring to do, by participating in the seminars organised by Fai and funded by ISI to “drive out India from Kashmir”; and on the other, the government of India was forced to send out an IAS officer from Kashmir cadre to contain that damage. The result is that those who, through Fai, were part of the ISI design, are now part of the UPA government.[/quote]
weeds are inside upa and none seems to be interested in weeding them out. or at least the impression is given.
Liberalism has been seen as a virtue better than protecting India for these worthies. I would rather be a conservative illiterate bumkin than a liberal of this variety.
But could Fai with his mission to push Pakistan/ISI agenda “to drive India out of Kashmir” include in his efforts such important opinion-makers of India, unless he knew that their views would advance his master’s interests? Why would Fai not call an Arun Shourie? A Cho Ramaswamy? An M J Akbar? An Arnab Goswami? It is self-evident. Their views would stall, not support, the ISI. Undoubtedly, Fai knew that the views on J&K publicly held by our liberals in Fai’s guest list would further the cause of the separatists. Now, is it easy to dismiss that they were just “useful idiots”?

PS: Two of these liberals are still in high positions — one is an interlocutor on J&K appointed by the Centre and the other is the media adviser to the PM. Mr Prime Minister, this is evidence coming, not from our police, but from the FBI in the US, the country you love most! Are you listening?

these liberals are literally hand in gloves with TSP - They seem to mock India, take potshots at her, refuse to defend her all in the name of the tag 'liberal'
Look at the topics they choose-- kashmir/pseudo secularism/communalism/NaMo and SG/corruption. All tend to lower the image of India by peddling lies, & not refuting others lies.

One of the reasons why fai was able to garner support in capitol hill and elsewhere was through these liberals participation. It gives the impression that Indians(thru' these worthies)are in agreement with the lies pakis have been peddling alll the time

another hard hitting one from Gurumurthy.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Sushupti » 22 Jul 2011 09:52

Pals of Fai ditch him on the Net

Those who chose to “unfriend” Fai include some Srinagar and New Delhi-based academics, journalists, members of “thinktanks” and social and political activists.

On Thursday afternoon, the number of Fai’s Facebook friends had come down to 280 from over 1,500 three days ago.

http://www.asianage.com/india/pals-fai- ... im-net-983

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Prem » 22 Jul 2011 10:02

Lets assume these Liberadors made gross error in their judgement about Fai( even an idiot who read and heard about him would have no problem judging this ISI man). Question is, if they cant apply their alleged Maha wisdom to such obvious, trivial matter then what makes them qualify to speak on behalf of India or act as interlocutors and why cant we Indian blame the supporters of these Liberadors as the agents of enemy country? Do they or any one else have doubt that their actions did hurt Indian national security interests.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshA » 22 Jul 2011 10:33

krisna wrote:Arrest creates ripples among interlocutors
we all know the news, but what caught my eye was this benis material.

Brylcreem” and “30 plus” were some of the codes used for monetary transactions between Pakistan’s snooping agency ISI and Kashmiri propagandist Syed Ghulam Nabi Fai, PTI reports from Washington DC.

Investigators said Fai’s Pakistani handler Javed Azeed Khan asked him if he had received all the goods. In reply Fai told him everything has been received except “Brylcreem, 75 milligram”. Investigators suspected this was a code for the transferring $75,000 demanded by Fai from his ISI-handlers.


:rotfl:

Is there any packaging of Brylcream '75 mg' or some '30 plus'? :-?

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby RajeshA » 22 Jul 2011 10:34

It would have been useful to have made a copy of all Fai's friends on the Net before they jumped ship. Too bad.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby munna » 22 Jul 2011 10:39

RajeshA wrote:It would have been useful to have made a copy of all Fai's friends on the Net before they jumped ship. Too bad.

I guess Facebook will in any case provide the data to federal authorities, too bad mango sdres will not be able to name and shame them.

Nevertheless it is my duty as a concerned citizen to tear down facades of integrity of these Fai k liberals.

Is it you speaking Mr Padgaonkar or....
[Speaking to journalists before leaving for Srinagar on Wednesday, Mr. Padgaonkar said that it was the right of every Indian citizen to hoist the tricolour. “But keeping in view the present situation we would like to request those who want to unfurl it in Srinagar to reconsider their decision. This exercise must be seen in a context as it can aggravate the situation and thwart the peace process which is under way,” he said.
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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby rajithn » 22 Jul 2011 10:53

Prem wrote:Lets assume these Liberadors made gross error in their judgement about Fai( even an idiot who read and heard about him would have no problem judging this ISI man). Question is, if they cant apply their alleged Maha wisdom to such obvious, trivial matter then what makes them qualify to speak on behalf of India or act as interlocutors and why cant we Indian blame the supporters of these Liberadors as the agents of enemy country? Do they or any one else have doubt that their actions did hurt Indian national security interests.


No, there was NO error in judgement. These psuedo-liberals are completely aware of what they are doing and they revel in bashing India - pandering to the west because this is the writing they want to see about India. This is the writing that will fetch them the $$!

Do you think this is going to change? You only have to look as far as the present day's publications and read Kuldip Nayar's prescription to make love to the Pakis or Manik Mehta and Pankaj Mishra's written diarhhea about everything that is wrong with India.

One question to any legal experts: Can a PIL not be filed against the interlocutor by a citizen of India on the grounds that they have lost the moral authority and trust of the Indian to represent Indian interests and therefore should be prevented from being part of any policy making or negotiations? As for the Media Advisor, I guess we can do nothing more than to wait (an wait and wait) for the PM to take any action...

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby ManishH » 22 Jul 2011 15:26

Separatists are "respectable" people

The Art of Living Foundation founder and spiritual leader, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar on Thursday called for involvement of separatists in the talks for the resolution of Kashmir issue.
“They (separatist leaders) are respectable and important persons,”


I'll wait for a genuine quote from a respectable news source ... but this is what happens when denominational marketing interests override everything else and urge to be seen as a messiah of peace amongst one's flock.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby Vikas » 22 Jul 2011 18:02

These days elites have a propensity to comment on everything under the sun. I wont be surprised if he has made such observation.

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Re: J&K News and Discussion-2011

Postby A_Gupta » 22 Jul 2011 18:13

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Woman-all ... 24108.aspx

With a woman alleging two army personnel abducted and raped her, Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah has promised action, saying the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) will not be allowed to hamper investigations.


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