"Christian" Fundamentalism in West

[sum]

Norway killer sourced crusader badge from Varanasi

An uncanny Indian connection has emerged in Friday's Oslo shooting incident, which left 76 persons dead. A self-confessed Muslim-hating fundamentalist Christian, the 32-year-old Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik, chose an Indian art firm to produce badges for his crusader organisation.

As details from his manifesto become known, it has come to light that the “badge of the Justiciar Knight” was sourced from far off Varanasi in Uttar Pradesh. The name of the firm is “Indian Art Company,” situated in one of the narrow lanes of Varanasi, home to the ancient city's traditional weavers who are struggling to eke out a living in a rapidly changing economic environment.

“Yes, I had made two samples for somebody from Norway but that was about a year ago,” Mohammad Aslam Ansari of the ‘Indian Art Company' confirmed when The Hindu spoke to him on the phone on Monday.

Slightly taken aback by a newspaper calling him from New Delhi, Mr. Ansari could not connect the badges he had made to what happened in Norway. When told about the violent massacre near Oslo, his shock and surprise was evident. “I do not even recall the name of person who had contacted me through e-mail and had asked me to send a sample of the badge,” he said in a mixture of Hindi and broken English while trying to give expression to his feelings in a jaw-dropping tone.

“The badge of the Justiciar Knight illustrates a white skull marked with the symbols of communism, Islam and Nazism on the forehead, impaled on the cross of the martyrs,” the Breivik manifesto says.

The Hindu is definitely trying very hard to get India involved in some way or the other...wonder why?

[abhishek_sharma]

not just 'The Hindu'...wait until some Indians digest these reports ...

[Dhu]

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[Dhu]

Cioran explains that early Christian apologetics are simply a set of libels camouflaged as treatises.

[abhischekcc]

Yeah, except that the person in the Indian Art Company happens to be a muslim. How will they ever connect Breivik to Hinduism with this?

[CRamS]

The Hindu is definitely trying very hard to get India involved in some way or the other...wonder why?

To get the white western bahadurs to take notice of them and quote them and give them some notoriety as "secularists". Craving for western attenton onlee.

[vera_k]

[RajeshA]

X-Posted from Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis Thread

Anders Behring Breivik has done one very extraordinary thing, and that is, he has put the "Cultural Marxists" on trial for the behavior of Islam.

He committed a heinous crime in order to "avenge the crimes" of Islam on Norwegian society, and holds the "Cultural Marxists" responsible for the "crimes of Islam" and thus indirectly for his heinous crime itself, citing the inability of those with a similar grievance to get justice under the "dictatorship of the political correctness".

Now the "Cultural Marxists" have to defend themselves and that:

1. "Political Correctness" does allow grievances against Islam to be heard.
2. They are not responsible for allowing Muslims in and thus for the crimes of Islam on the Norwegian society.
3. Islam is not responsible for the crimes it is being accused of.

The "Cultural Marxists" would have a very hard time defending any of the above charges.

The other thing is that "Cultural Marxists" can also not afford to avoid this trial, because Anders Behring Breivik has stated that his group the Justiciar Templar Knights would continue to commit similar attacks until either

1. "Cultural Marxists" defend themselves successfully, which they can't, or
2. they accept their complicity in the crimes they are being charged of, and make suitable amends, or
3. they step aside and leave society to the Anti-Islamist Movement in Europe to undertake the necessary measures - to get rid of all Muslims from Europe.

"2083 - A Declaration of European Independence" is a manifesto, a charge-sheet against the "Cultural Marxists", and by distributing it widely over the Internet, he is demanding that society hold the hearings of these "Cultural Marxists". By exposing the structure of Marxist propaganda in the charge-sheet itself, he is also ensuring that this time, the "Cultural Marxists" cannot escape scrutiny by simply recycling their old paroles.

For himself, he has defined himself and his motivation as Not-Racist, Not-Christian-Fundamentalist, Not-Anti-Semitist, Not-Homophobe, Not-Neo-Nazi, and thus made himself immune to the usual propaganda by the "Cultural Marxists".

"Cultural Marxists" as such can neither defend themselves properly nor can they really go on the offensive with the same set of weapons they used earlier.

[Aditya_V]

Reading the 2 subsequent article along with the Original article , it is obvious, the intent of 'The Hindu' is to somehow approtion Blame on what happened on Norway on the BJP and RSS. This is the psy-ops part like how everything wrong or wrong done by a induvidual Hindu in the country is blamed on Hindus and ideology, but in every other case only the induvidual is responsible.

How come nobody who supports Maoists, Kashmir Terrorists,Hurriyat, Justice Sachar Committe Aka UPA and left allies ever hs to introspect or responsible for the wrongs happening in the country??

[ManishH]

I'd first wait for the authorship of the "manifesto" to be authenticated. Is it really (and wholly) written by Breivik, or worse, was it a "plant" ?

Eg. if you want to malign resistance against jehadi terrorism, what would you do ? Plant an otherwise sensible text, mix it with Breivik's personal journal, and plant it on him, attributing the complete authorship to the maniac terrorist.

[RajeshG]

For guroos who are familiar with current conditions in Europe, is this guy for real ? Is there any chance this thought process will become mainstream in europe ?

What impact will this have on jihadi recruitment from Europe and elsewhere ?

[RajeshA]

For guroos who are familiar with current conditions in Europe, is this guy for real ? Is there any chance this thought process will become mainstream in europe ?

Yesterday I talked to a close friend of mine, in Norway, and she said that in Oslo, rapes of Norwegian girls by Muslim gangs has become common place, and that the Norwegians are disgusted.

She also found it strange, that the court hearings of Anders Behring Breivik were not public.

[Murugan]

The Hindu is definitely trying very hard to get India involved in some way or the other...wonder why?

Creating smoke screen for journos entangled in Fai's isi-ue. this is now well-coordinated campaign by all angrezi and sefu media wala. Diversion tactic.

Now nobdoy is discussing these traitors' fai connection and all the media is behind this hindu connection of mass murderer

[Lalmohan]

rajeshg - such views are not mainstream, however in all european countries there exists a number of far right organisations and individuals with very extreme views like this guy. in the UK their known membership is around 3-5k individuals, in norway it might be a few hundred. that said, brevik is still a fairly unique abnormality - he will be tried as a criminal and not as the political revolutionary he sees himself as. the ultra hard core rightists are in many ways similar to their marxist/maoist and islamist 'confederates' - and in all cases these extremes are right on the edge of the bell curve.
that said, these people feed of a wider fear and paranoia about their societies and ways of life being taken over by hostile foreign influences (islam) and their anger is at their own liberal left leaning governments who they perceive as having created this scenario. just like al-q's primary anger is at house of saud and the egyptian generals. they will have a lot of quiet sympathy from the ordinary people, who however will not support the means by which they espouse 'fighting back'

in my view the flag waving street thug neo nazis are not that dangerous - they are rent-a-crowd, its the back room ideologues and their proteges (like brevik) who are truly dangerous

but this event might actually start seeing the end of liberal multi-culturalism in europe. immigrant communities will have to make choices about how integrated or isolated they want to be from their host communities. as i have said before, law abiding and economically +ve communities will not be much affected by the 'backlash' - but any community that seeks to accentuate a negative difference will come in for more critical response - the muslim community being the obvious 'other' in this context given the widespread politicisation that has occured within it

[SRoy]

in my view the flag waving street thug neo nazis are not that dangerous - they are rent-a-crowd, its the back room ideologues and their proteges (like brevik) who are truly dangerous

but this event might actually start seeing the end of liberal multi-culturalism in europe. immigrant communities will have to make choices about how integrated or isolated they want to be from their host communities. as i have said before, law abiding and economically +ve communities will not be much [ but still some -ve effect ? ]affected by the 'backlash' - but any community that seeks to accentuate a negative difference will come in for more critical response - the muslim community being the obvious 'other' in this context given the widespread politicisation that has occured within it

So you fear that the Indian diaspora (like you) will get caught in the cross fire?

[Lalmohan]

no, the indian community has already elevated itself from this situation (see law abiding and economically +ve) - there is a much clearer delineation between people of indian origin and people of pakistani origin in the UK than the "asians" of the past. moderate pakistanis are keenly trying to prove themselves "also indians". UK is relatively unique in europe for having a large non-muslim immigrant population compared to the other countries which are predominantly muslim immigrants. however even in germany (from personal experience) people are able to distinguish indians as being one type of immigrants and non-indians as being of another (less desirable) type

[RajeshA]

So you fear that the Indian diaspora (like you) will get caught in the cross fire?

There are certain novelties about this movement.

1) This movement is not going to be attacking foreigners or Muslims. That is different from neo-Nazis.

2) First and foremost, the target would be "Cultural Marxists", the "Political Correctness" crowd, the Left-Liberal Crowd, which happen to be mainstream parties left of center. That is also different from neo-Nazis who see the Punks, the anarchists, the far-left loonies as their rivals, which is also a fringe.

3) This movement wants to come to power first, and then push out Muslims from Europe. It is not going to expend its energies in going after the Muslims, which will provoke sympathy among the Europeans for Muslims and thus strengthen the "Cultural Marxists", who would be able to embrace the Muslims and Islam far more tightly.

4) It wants to get into power, so that it can push out Muslims using the resources and authority of the state.

[abhischekcc]

Some months ago, I had predicted that the crisis in western economies will lead to the destruction of liberalism there. This event is simply symptomatic of those countries travelling further on that road.

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Reduction in economic opportunities, shrinking of the welfare state, etc will lead to social chaos. Which will lead to the search for scape goats. This act ensures that their societies now have this scapegoat very well defined in their collective minds. So as and when the headwinds of globalisation reach deeper into Europe, the inner conflict will grow.

[abhischekcc]

RajeshA,
It is true that we want the 'cultural marxists' to be smoked out from their holes by this act. But as the shameless anti-Hindu propoganda by The Hindu shows, they are doing their best to try and stick it on their 'targets'.

The propoganda war has only now started. And I am glad that the lefties are showing signs of desperation.

[Aditya_V]

See some BRFites posting some coments in the Hindu

Norwegian mass killer's manifesto hails Hindutva

The Indian media, especially the so-called mainstream media should take time off from hounding well intentioned Indian liberals's 'Fai/ISI' connections, to investigate the probable connection of extreme right wing Indians to Anders Breivik and any organisation he might belong to. This is important in the context of references in the press to possible extreme right wing involvement in the recent Mumbai bomb blasts

from: Rufus.d
Posted on: Jul 26, 2011 at 06:35 IST

Thats what I call a Tongue in Cheek remark.

[chetak]

See some BRFites posting some coments in the Hindu

Norwegian mass killer's manifesto hails Hindutva

The Indian media, especially the so-called mainstream media should take time off from hounding well intentioned Indian liberals's 'Fai/ISI' connections, to investigate the probable connection of extreme right wing Indians to Anders Breivik and any organisation he might belong to. This is important in the context of references in the press to possible extreme right wing involvement in the recent Mumbai bomb blasts

from: Rufus.d
Posted on: Jul 26, 2011 at 06:35 IST

Thats what I call a Tongue in Cheek remark.

I think that this guy is deadly serious.

Expect the commies to play up the non existent religious angle. After all, "..... khatre me hai".!!

[RajeshA]

RajeshA,
It is true that we want the 'cultural marxists' to be smoked out from their holes by this act. But as the shameless anti-Hindu propoganda by The Hindu shows, they are doing their best to try and stick it on their 'targets'.

The propoganda war has only now started. And I am glad that the lefties are showing signs of desperation.

abhishekcc ji,

actually Anders Behring Breivik's manifesto has delivered a wonderful vocabulary, a dialectic, a charge-sheet to pin to the shirt of the Lefties.

The fact of the matter is that Hindus and Indians had nothing to do with Norwegian attack. All this scare-mongering about this being possible in India, and the various references to Hindus in the manifesto, and using all this to put Hindu Nationalists on the defensive, is going to backfire big time. Because Hindus had nothing to do with the attack, it allows us to put sufficient distance between us and Anders Behring Breivik.

However the issues he raised in his manifesto are still relevant, and I think, when the shock and disgust over the attack has subsided somewhat, Indians can start posing the question to lefties whether they too are "Cultural Marxists"?

Anders Behring Breivik has ensured that a new vocabulary becomes popular in the West, but also in India, and it allows society to analyze the Indian Lefties as well.

As long as the Hindutvadis 'let off steam' on certain minorities, the Lefties could play moral apostles, but what if minorities are left alone, and the lefties are held directly accountable for all crimes of omission and commission committed by the minorities? Who will then stand as moral apostles?

So Lefties should be careful in inviting Anders Behring Breivik's narrative to India!

[RSoami]

That article in Hindu gives a good idea of the root cause.Sensible people see their concerns ignored and swept under the carpet by the media and self proclaimed intellectuals.
No outlet means frustration.No debate means continuing radicalisation of their views, growing anger and frustration, finally ending in catastrophe.
The media and the `intellectuals` cannot shy away from responsibility even if its only Breivik who will be hanged.

[RSoami]

Yesterday I was talking to a group of ten people in Delhi, mostly in their twenties..Not one of them had a single word of praise for the media..They dont take papers anymore and dont watch news channels.
Their anger at the system was amazing and I wouldnt blame them.
Sorry for OT.
Regards

[Sanku]

RamaY: To point out something -

You have no one outside India to help you. You are like a lonely waif in the world, and your position is extremely delicate. Be sensible, and show your readiness to listen to the dictates of justice, fair play, and patriotism.

Isn't this the cry today on so many of the BRF boards, e.g., Unkil is not helping, Oirupe is not helping, Chipanda is actively working against, etc., etc., the cries for justice from India? Isn't there at least one post on each page of the TSP thread, the Pak. failure thread, and elsewhere that India stands alone in dealing with Pakistan?

The lonely waif grows up to be the angry young man, at least our cinema has made that clear, hain na.

[IndraD]

For guroos who are familiar with current conditions in Europe, is this guy for real ? Is there any chance this thought process will become mainstream in europe ?

Yesterday I talked to a close friend of mine, in Norway, and she said that in Oslo, rapes of Norwegian girls by Muslim gangs has become common place, and that the Norwegians are disgusted.

She also found it strange, that the court hearings of Anders Behring Breivik were not public.

on some google work I found this

https://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhgs ... 9w6c&pli=1

Conclusions
I find it hard to draw conclusions from this study due to lack of data. Additionally, I am neither a statistician nor a criminologist, and I think those are necessary qualifications when studying statistical criminal data. My main conclusions, though, are:
(1) There is no correlation country-wide between immigrants and rapes
(2) Northern Norway is overrepresented in rape statistics (up to twice the national average)
(3) Norway is much safer than Iceland
(4) In Oslo, ethnic Norwegians are underrepresented, both among rapists and rape victims
(5) In Oslo, asylum seekers are overrepresented among rapists
(6) In Oslo, immigrant women are much more likely to be victims of rape

[Philip]

The "Indian","HIndu" link? No siree! Here are the details from the UK about latter-day "Crusader" Anders and his "pukka" Blighty links.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... eague.html

Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik had extensive links to English Defence League
Anders Behring Breivik had extensive links to the far-Right English Defence League, senior members of the group have admitted.

Breivik was understood to have met leaders of the EDL in March last year when he came to London for the visit of Geert Wilders, the Dutch Right-wing politician. Daryl Hobson, who organises EDL demonstrations, said Breivik, who told police there were “two more cells” ready to follow him, had met members of the group.

Another senior member of the EDL said Breivik had been in regular contact with its members via Facebook, and had a “hypnotic” effect on them.

Scotland Yard was investigating Breivik’s claims that he began his deadly “crusade” after being recruited to a secret society in London, and that he was guided by an English “mentor”. David Cameron, who was being kept updated on developments, said Breivik’s claims were being taken “extremely seriously”.

Breivik compiled a 1,518-page manifesto, written entirely in English under his Anglicised name, Andrew Berwick, in which he made repeated references to his British links and in particular his links to the EDL.

“I used to have more than 600 EDL members as Facebook friends and have spoken with tens of EDL members and leaders,” he wrote. “In fact, I was one of the individuals who supplied them with processed ideological material (including rhetorical strategies) in the very beginning.”

He also suggested that one of two English extremists who attended a founding meeting of the Knights Templar in London in April 2002 might have been a member of the EDL. “I wonder sometimes if one of the EDL founders was one of the co-founders of PCCTS,” he wrote. “I guess I’ll never know for sure.”

Breivik also wrote about an English “mentor” he named only as “Richard”.

So,far from dear "Crusader" Anders' ideological links to "Mother India",this canard has now been put to rest and his Indian connection has been found to be merely an act of outsourcing by him for obtaining his costumes on the cheap.His true ideolgical roots for his extremist fundamentalist thinking has actually come from Blighty,"blimey,bloody 'ell"!
This modern Viking, hell-bent on revenge upon his betters for their appeasement of the Islamic" "invasion" of Europe has exploded the myth that extremism today is solely the perogative of them "whirlin' dervishes" and all manner of ethnic tribals in former imperial colonies. Britain which for decades allowed the scum of the subcontinent to take root in its little island,so that they could wage war from afar against India,Lanka,etc.,with Nelsonian wink from the establishment,now have to confront not just a home-grown Islamic threat that takes its inspiration from Pakistan,but an equally radical and malevolent cancer that has its roots in "white" extremism that claims to be "Christian" too!

PS:Here is another outrageous western individual,US broadcaster multi-millionaire and "Tea Party" icon Glenn Beck, who has compared the "Crusader's" victims to the "Hitler youth".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... youth.html

Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth
Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing American broadcaster, has prompted outrage after comparing the teenage victims of the Utoya Island massacre to the Hitler Youth

Beck said that the Labour party youth camp on the island, where 68 people were murdered, bore "disturbing" similarities to the Nazi party's notorious juvenile wing.

Beck, a multimillionaire darling of the Tea Party movement, said on his nationally-syndicated radio show: "There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that's all about politics? Disturbing."

Torbjørn Eriksen, a former press secretary to Jens Stoltenberg, Norway's prime minister, described the comment as "a new low" for the broadcaster, who has frequently been forced to apologise for offensive remarks.

"Young political activists have gathered at Utoya for over 60 years to learn about and be part of democracy, the very opposite of what the Hitler Youth was about," he told The Daily Telegraph. "Glenn Beck's comments are ignorant, incorrect and extremely hurtful."

So Anders is not alone and has powerful friends even in heart of the US's Republican party!Imagine if this group gets its candidate elected as US pres.! Armageddon here we come.

Here is more on Beck's extermist mouthings and activities.

Beck's controversial statements and conspiracy-filled rants have made him one of the most divisive figures in US politics and media in recent years.

Last year he said he regretted calling Barack Obama a "racist" with a "deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture". He later apologised for mocking Mr Obama's young daughter Malia.

In February he apologised to Reform Judaism, a group that campaigns for the modernisation of the Jewish faith, after comparing them to "radicalised Islam".

But he refused to apologise in May after mock-vomiting on his live TV show following a cancer-awareness advert starring a nude Meghan McCain, the daughter of Senator John McCain.

Beck said that Miss McMcCain, whose father survived cancer before running for the US presidency, should "wear a burka" because she was apparently unattractive.

Despite Beck expressing surprise that political movements would hold camps for children, followers of his 9/12 Project – which aims to "recapture the spirit of the day after America was attacked" – have this summer been doing just that.

Organisers of the "vacation liberty schools" in several states told the Daily Telegraph how they taught children as young as eight a Tea Party-endorsed curriculum spanning religion, economics and political principles.

[Haresh]

At last the PAKI connection!!

How to make friends and influence people

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nster.html

[Lalmohan]

^^^ Haresh-ji, above link only adds fuel to the fire that brevik is a nutter. he is a classic outsider who wants to belong, looks for gangs to hang with etc., etc. had he persevered with his paqui birathers he might well be a jihadi soosai bummer today.

that the far right was seized upon the knights templars as role models is interesting. they were supposedly mystical warriors of christendom who were defenders of the faith, etc., etc. but quite powerful and wealthy and reputedly keepers of the holy grail etc. they fought the crusades with the full vigour of christian jehad. their demise came at the hands of the catholic church and IIRC the french monarch much after the crusades were over, who had them rounded up and executed - often burned at the stake as heretics. today the KT are almost magical figures - and i suppose logical catalysts for the far right, and also somehow role models for the masonic movement - though most of them as i understand just do charitable work these days.

i think there was recently a french law suit whereby descendants of the last grand wotsit of the KT's tried to sue the church to restore his ancestor's H&D... not sure what became of that

perhaps its related to some sort of coordinated right wing putsch?

however, one thing is clear - this was meant to be a wake up call for the liberals - either they reform their social policies or there will be more breviks

[Haresh]

Lalmohan,

I believe you are resident in the UK, as I am as well.

I went to school in Southall, have friends of all religious backgrounds.
However there is only one "group" that is causing concern.

Moslems kids who I used to play with at school, now look at non moslems with absolute hate.
I know a few who have been to pak training camps and one who has claimed to have shot dead with a sniper rifle an Indian soldier in Kashmir.

The left/liberal elite need to wake up alright, 12 years of labour have created a disaster fo the UK. The Conservatives are not much better.

With labour we had the like od Mike O'Brien and his famous "Labour and British Moslems, can we dream the same dream?" letter, the we had milliband standing up in a hotel in mumbhai a year after the massacre and blaming India for it, all to appease & appeal for votes from the UK islamic community.
We have had labour introduce postal voting knowing full well that it would encourage block voting and corruption, vote rigging and it did in islamic strongholds like bradford, dewsbury and luton.

There are dark times ahead I fear that this is the begining of a backlash and I fear we will be caught in the middle, that is why I spend as much time as I can highlighting the difference between Indians and paks/islamics as I can.

We Indians in the UK WILL be the collateral damage.

[Pranav]

PS:Here is another outrageous western individual,US broadcaster multi-millionaire and "Tea Party" icon Glenn Beck, who has compared the "Crusader's" victims to the "Hitler youth".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... youth.html

Norway shooting: Glenn Beck compares dead teenagers to Hitler youth
Glenn Beck, the leading Right-wing American broadcaster, has prompted outrage after comparing the teenage victims of the Utoya Island massacre to the Hitler Youth

Here is an article that explains the Takleef that some conservatives have with Norway:

The Quislings of Norway

Posted By Joseph Klein On July 20, 2011 @ 12:43 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage | 52 Comments
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/20/the- ... of-norway/


The infamous Norwegian Vidkun Quisling, who assisted Nazi Germany as it conquered his own country, must be applauding in his grave.

In the latest example of Norwegian collaboration with the enemies of the Jews, Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere declared during a press conference this week, alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, that “Norway believes it is perfectly legitimate for the Palestinian president to turn to the United Nations” to seek recognition of an independent Palestinian state.

Despite Abbas’s decision to throw his lot in with the Hamas terrorists as part of some sort of “unity” government, Stoere signed an agreement with Abbas on upgrading Palestinian representation in Norway. Under the agreement, which effectively rewards Abbas for joining forces with Hamas, the Palestinian representative will have the full diplomatic rank of ambassador.

The foreign minister of Norway, which chairs a group of Palestinian donor nations, also used the occasion to hold the tin cup out for Abbas. Foreign Minister Stoere chided those who have decided to hold back on their contributions. “All donors should make an extra effort to support the Palestinians this summer and autumn,” he said.

None of this should come as a surprise. Let’s not forget, for example, that Foreign Minister Stoere is in charge of the same Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs in which Socialist Ingrid Fiskaa — who said in April 2008 that she sometimes wished the United Nations would send “precision-guided missiles against selected Israeli targets” — so proudly serves as a state secretary.

During the Nazi occupation of Norway, nearly all Jews were either deported to death camps or fled to Sweden and beyond. Today, Norway is effectively under the occupation of anti-Semitic leftists and radical Muslims, and appears willing to help enable the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.

For example, one of Norway’s leading intellectuals, Jostein Gaarder, published an op-ed article in a major Norwegian daily newspaper in 2006 arguing against recognizing the state of Israel in its current form and claiming that Judaism is “an archaic national and warlike religion.”

Gaarder equated the Jewish state of Israel’s attempts to defend itself against Islamic terrorists with apartheid and ethnic cleansing:

"We no longer recognize the State of Israel. We could not recognize the apartheid regime of South Africa, nor did we recognize the Afghani Taliban regime. Then there were many who did not recognize Saddam Hussein’s Iraq or the Serbs’ ethnic cleansing. We need to get used to the idea: The State of Israel, in its current form, is history.

The State of Israel has raped the recognition of the world and shall have no peace until it lays down its arms."

Norway’s Labor Party lawmaker Anders Mathisen has gone even further and publicly denied the Holocaust. He said that Jews “exaggerated their stories” and “there is no evidence the gas chambers and or mass graves existed.” While the Norwegian political establishment and opinion-maker elite may not have reached that point of lunacy just yet, they do tend to treat Muslims as the victims of Israeli oppression – as if today’s Muslims are filling the shoes of the Jewish victims of the Holocaust and today’s Nazis are the Israelis.

Thorbjørn Jagland, former prime minister of Norway, the president of the Norwegian Parliament, and the head of the Nobel Prize committee that gave President Obama the Nobel Peace Prize, sided with Turkey and condemned Israel for the defensive actions it took last year against the so-called Free Gaza flotilla.

Socialist leader Kristin Halvorsen has been leading the boycott Israel campaign. While serving as Norway’s finance minister, she was amongst the demonstrators at an anti-Israel protest, in which a poster read (translated): “The greatest axis of evil: USA and Israel.” Among the slogans repeatedly shouted at the demonstration was (as translated) “Death to the Jews!”

Halvorsen has recently supported a measure calling for military action against Israel if it decides to act against Hamas in Gaza, based on the reasoning that the world community’s credibility in confronting the Qaddafi regime would be undermined if it does nothing to help Hamas repel Israeli air attacks in Gaza.

Last year, the Norwegian government decided to divest from two Israeli entities working in the West Bank. Norway’s sovereign wealth fund divested from the Israeli company Elbit, because it has worked on the Israeli security fence that keeps out Palestinian suicide bombers. Israel has also been blocked from bidding for Norwegian defense contracts.

The state-owned TV NRK aired the one-sided movie “Tears over Gaza,” photographed by several Palestinian cameramen during and after Israel’s Operation Cast Lead. Its film director Vibeke Løkkeberg had the gall to compare Israel’s defensive military actions in Gaza, which protect Israeli civilians from Hamas bombs, to “the massacres Qaddafi is conducting against Libyan insurgents.”

As explained by Bruce Bawer, an American literary critic, writer and poet who lives in Norway and has criticized European anti-Semitism and radical Islam, in an interview with the Jerusalem Post, contemporary Norwegian anti-Semitism is alive and well in Norway especially amongst “the cultural elite – the academics, intellectuals, writers, journalists, politicians, and technocrats.”

It is such anti-Semitic tripe and moral equivalency that embolden the Muslims living in Norway to legitimize their own anti-Semitic conduct, which Norwegian officials have been tolerating in the name of multiculturalism.

As Bawer explained:

"Part of the motivation for this anti-Semitism is the influx into Norway in recent decades of masses of Muslims from Pakistan, Iraq, Somalia and elsewhere. Multiculturalism has taught Norway’s cultural elite to take an uncritical, even obsequious, posture toward every aspect of Muslim culture and belief. When Muslim leaders rant against Israel and the Jews, the reflexive response of the multiculturalist elite is to join them in their rantings. This is called solidarity."

In 2009, when Muslims rioted violently in downtown Oslo to protest Israel’s actions against Hamas, resulting in extensive damage, there were few consequences for those responsible.

Teachers at schools with large shares of Muslims reported that Muslim students often “praise or admire Adolf Hitler for his killing of Jews,” that “Jew-hate is legitimate within vast groups of Muslim students” and that “Muslims laugh or command [teachers] to stop when trying to educate about the Holocaust.”

Norway is repeating its Quisling treachery of the Nazi era, this time in league with a growing radical Muslim population. And once again the Jews are the victims.

Joseph Klein is the author of a recent book entitled Lethal Engagement: Barack Hussein Obama, the United Nations and Radical Islam.

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URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/07/20/the- ... of-norway/

Some other information -

Report: Norwegian Shooter Loves Israel - http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/ ... spx/215928

Also, here is the scene on the island one day before the shooting (http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... skje-na%2F)



The links with his mentor "Richard" in the secret Masonic group in the UK will be crucial. One doubts, however, that the information will come out, especially if it comprises prominent politicians and business leaders, as claimed by Breivik (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ideas.html). The witness reports of a second shooter are interesting (http://en.rian.ru/world/20110723/165350450.html), but this angle is not being pursued very much by the media. Regrettably, Breivik's trial is being conducted in secret.

[sanjeevpunj]

Wonder if this is repeat posting, but I am posting the link anyway.

What drew my attention was the following lines in this report, quotes from the Manual by Breivik-

Section '3.158 - The state of the Indian/Hindu resistance - Indian nationalists' of Breivik's '2080: A European declaration of independence' manifesto defines saffronisation as a "political neologism, used to refer to the policy of right-wing Hindu nationalism (or Hindutva) which seeks to make the Indian state into a Hindu nation and its Sikh, Buddhist and Jain minorities incorporated into Hinduism." He said the Sanatana Dharma movements or Hindu nationalists in general are suffering from the same persecution by the Indian cultural Marxists as their European cousins.
Breivik accuses the Indian government of appeasing Muslims and "proselytising Christian missionaries who illegally convert low caste Hindus with lies and fear alongside Communists who want total destruction of the Hindu faith and culture."

Source:http://ibnlive.in.com/news/norwegian-ki ... 496-3.html

[Lalmohan]

haresh
i hear you, but i don't think we will be, nor do we have to be - collateral damage
people are begining to understand this war to be a war of civilisations, not a war of race
we have to work the system accordingly - start with your mp

as for your sniperherrow - all bakwas, don't believe it for a second

[Haresh]

Lalmohan,

I have written to my MP and to Patrick Mercer.
My own MP did not reply, the subject is obviously to sensitive. He is Conservative and they all love Warsi, the Hamas/Kashmiri terrorist supporter.

Mercer (defence) did reply and he acknowledged the difference between Indian & pak and agreed the word "Asian" should not be used.

This is why I hope the MMRCA deal goes to Eurofighter, it will in effect be an alliance with Britain, Germany, Spain & Italy. When these sort of deals go through the UK populace will realise the difference, pakis bring grief, Indians bring business, money and jobs.

With regards to the sniper, I have seen pictures of him in military fatigues, with weapons while "visiting family" in pak. but who knows?

The mod edit Shilpa Shetty visits his restaurant regularly.

[Lalmohan]

why are you friends with him?

[Fidel Guevara]

In an Indian context, what would happen if a hyper-jingo had gone on a killing spree, killing various WKK-wallahs and appeasers from certain parties and certain publications, what would have been the general response within BR? Universal condemnation, I am sure, but would not a few (perhaps more than a few) have secretly cheered such an action?

If something like this happens (god forbid), that thread will reach 72 in record time, and the admins would be busy deleting half the posts and banning a good fraction of this forum.

Not intended as flame bait - just trying to find an analogy in a more familiar context.

[RajeshA]

Fidel Guevara ji,

BRF does not promote, encourage or condone such violence. There is no use of speculating on such hypothetical and distasteful scenarios.

[nachiket]

In an Indian context, what would happen if a hyper-jingo had gone on a killing spree, killing various WKK-wallahs and appeasers from certain parties and certain publications, what would have been the general response within BR? Universal condemnation, I am sure, but would not a few (perhaps more than a few) have secretly cheered such an action?

You are a BRFite. Would you have cheered him? Best to ask the question to yourself, no?

[brihaspati]

IndraD ji's linked data:

immigrant population percentage and total population appears to be positively correlated with the crime rate. R-squared is about 0.7, and p-value of the order of 10^(-5). The coefficient for immigrant percentage is 10,000 times that of total population. But this is not a very good model. coefficient p-values are dicey. These two variables are the best subset explanators.

[harbans]

“Instead of attacking the Muslims, they should target the category A and B traitors in India and consolidate military cells and actively seek the overthrow of the cultural Marxist government.”

Cultural Marxist is what we call Psec, liberal here..

Quote from the Killer. Confirms to what i said that his main peeve is against what we refer to as Psecs and Libs. Remember that Utoya Island was hosting a Liberal convention, depicted in the poster against Israel above.

That article in Hindu gives a good idea of the root cause.Sensible people see their concerns ignored and swept under the carpet by the media and self proclaimed intellectuals.
No outlet means frustration.No debate means continuing radicalisation of their views, growing anger and frustration, finally ending in catastrophe.
The media and the `intellectuals` cannot shy away from responsibility even if its only Breivik who will be hanged.

Exactly Rsaomi Ji. This is not so much about Islam or Christianity as about Psec Liberalism that Anders might rightly be calling 'Cultural Marxism'. Something many here are having difficulty in understanding and comprehension.

Anders Behring Breivik has done one very extraordinary thing, and that is, he has put the "Cultural Marxists" on trial for the behavior of Islam.

Rajesh Ji, yes. Thats what i said almost since my first post here. Cultural Marxism==Psec, liberalism for Anders. The hate is visible against these psecs everywhere across the board. There must be no denying the truth. S Roy ji got it correct too. Some here, considering that BR attracts all sorts, won't understand it even if explicitly stated in ==! terms in a point to point manner.

Anders' views are intelligent, rational and pretty much mainstream. Cognitive dissonance won't help. His means are stupid and inhuman. The core center of his Ire are the Digvijay Singh types.

Anders is confronting the Psec liberal/ Cultural Marxist with exactly the same fear that the Psec is attracted to Islam for..the violence associated in going against the thought. He is confronting the 'Stockholm syndrome' affected not by psychotherapy but by a greater act of violence against those who sympathize with the criminal. He is confronting the Dhimmified, by saying that if you get attracted to the bully becasue of his inherent violence, i'll do the same on a larger scale. So if people appease a bully, he intends being a bigger bully so the same lot may appease him. He has lost respect fore those who attend convocations. Lost so much respect, he doesn't care a damn if he guns them in cold blood. It's surprising that this root cause of the incident is not mainstream as yet in the media. As Roy ji mentions the right will have to get it's act right to avoid such excesses. There's too much disgust everywhere against the 'cultural Marxist' for anyone to ignore Anders' message. That's why i always admired Gandhi, the means are as important as the end. In that Anders never understood Dharma and went the way of the Asura.