Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jul 2011 10:22

Is there really a difference?

The one is as venal as the other.

The fine art of defrauding the exchequer as practiced by the DMK (and TDP for that matter) has put all earlier practitioners to shame.

lalu, mulayam and mayawati et al are mere babes in the woods.

Maran booted out, Baalu in

In a letter dispatched to Congress president Sonia Gandhi, the DMK patriarch has also asked her to drop Minister of State for Finance Palani Manickam, who is reportedly not in the good books of Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee for his alleged interventions on several revenue-related matters probed by Enforcement Directorate and Income Tax against influential people. Mukherjee is learned to have directly complained against him to Karunanidhi, said sources.

The DMK chief has suggested that party spokesperson TKS Elangovan and dalit MP AKS Vijayan be accommodated as Ministers of State in the upcoming Cabinet reshuffle. Karunanidhi wants Elangovan to be given independent charge, but has not asked for any specific portfolio for any of the DMK leaders.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 07 Jul 2011 10:27

Murli Deora tried to pre-empt probe into loop: CBI to SC

The Central Bureau of Investigation has complained to the Supreme Court that Company Affairs Minister Murli Deora's department attempted to "preempt investigations" into the Essar-Loop association case. CBI's charge prompted the court to direct it to ignore the opinion given by the ministry. Deora is in the eye of a storm over a CAG report on oil exploration in the Krishna-Godavari Basin.

As a fallout of the latest twist, the CBI will now try to verify the authenticity of the April 2, 2011, opinion rendered by the MCA. It will also find out why the ministry came to a different conclusion, when it had used a similar yardstick earlier to conclude that Swan Telecom was an associate of Reliance Telecom.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Jul 2011 12:09

One more down.. Maran to quit today..looks like T.R.Ballu will take over..one thief replacing other

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 07 Jul 2011 13:50

merlin wrote:I think it is precisely with 24x7 coverage that getting baba into gaddi might not be that difficult.

with a dumbed down population addicted to tabloids to boot.

For the superficial urban youth of the country, the Gandhis represent the new Indian politician that makes their country looks modern in the western eye, not the rabid Hindu nationalists frothing at the mouth.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 07 Jul 2011 15:49

krishnan wrote:One more down.. Maran to quit today..looks like T.R.Ballu will take over..one thief replacing other

I hope TR Baalu does not get a seat in the cabinet. The PM rejected his name during cabinet formation in UPA II and there is no reed to reverse that decision now.

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 07 Jul 2011 15:55

It will be interesting to see the Stalinst rapist goon propaganda yellow daily spinning it tomorrow. I am sure it will be a matter-of-fact report as blacked out as possible...no 'first-rate crisis' no 'anonymous sources' no condemnation...these yellow traitors were acting as personal jalra missions of Maran for a long time now, for reasons unknown...

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 07 Jul 2011 15:59

There were rumors that maran used to have high speed internet connection for his house in chennai, but never thought he was running his own telephone exchange

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 07 Jul 2011 16:17

Oho, so outlook is now worried that its freedom will be curbed. These b@sturds were supporting the family based national party against the BJP, and now that Outlook's favourite party is going to stab them in the back, it is causing takleef!!!!!

Outlook is past master in stabing the country in the back, now it is being stabbed in the back by its paymaster.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 07 Jul 2011 19:08

2G scam: Is Kapil Sibal next?

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_2g ... ed_1563326

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Jul 2011 19:12

So Jaya has her way!

I think it will be PC eventually for all the bad karma he did.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Jul 2011 08:06

abhischekcc wrote:Oho, so outlook is now worried that its freedom will be curbed. These b@sturds were supporting the family based national party against the BJP, and now that Outlook's favourite party is going to stab them in the back, it is causing takleef!!!!!

Outlook is past master in stabing the country in the back, now it is being stabbed in the back by its paymaster.

The issue of freedom of speech is much larger than Outlook magazine. Just because Outlook is saying it does not mean that the point is not valid.

Vasu · Post by **Vasu** » 08 Jul 2011 17:20

All of us must feel so stupid, Essar - Loop was just a misunderstanding!

NDTV Profit article on the same, in case people want a more credible source

Deora just continuing to keep the faith.
Essar Group holding less than 10 pc in Loop Telecom: Murli Deora

while the CBI says....Corporate affairs ministry biased towards Essar-Loop: CBI

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 08 Jul 2011 20:08

Govt may challenge SIT Probing Black Money

http://ibnlive.in.com//videos/165977/go ... money.html

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 11 Jul 2011 17:37

S-band: Devas moves international court on scrapped Antrix deal - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 185456.cms

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 11 Jul 2011 19:12

Not related to 2G scam but

Suresh Kalmadi, Ashok Chavan innocent in CWG and Adarsh scams, claims Digvijay Singh

"Personally I am confident that Ashok Chavan and Kalmadi are innocent and both will come out clean," Singh said on Monday.

Singh, who many believe is even mentoring Rahul Gandhi, has said that he's very hurt that the former Games OC chief was having to go through all sorts of hardships in Tihar jail.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 15 Jul 2011 12:07

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cashf ... be/817872/

Cash-for-vote scam: SC slams Delhi Police for callous probe

The "callous" approach of Delhi Police in probing the 2008 'cash-for-vote scam' came under severe criticism today from the Supreme Court which asked it why no custodial interrogation has been conducted in the case so far.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 15 Jul 2011 17:29

Black money probe: Cente wants SIT recalled: Just in: Centre moves Supreme Court seeking review and recall of its order constituting SIT to probe black money cases. The Centre argues the order was passed without completely hearing its stand in the case. The Centre says that forming SIT was a judicial over-reach in executive functions.

sum · Post by **sum** » 15 Jul 2011 21:28

The Centre says that forming SIT was a judicial over-reach in executive functions.

Wont the same then apply to NaMo and the 100s of SITs against him investigating everything from his toilet habits to whom he speaks to everyday?

VinayB · Post by **VinayB** » 16 Jul 2011 16:02

sum wrote:
The Centre says that forming SIT was a judicial over-reach in executive functions.
Wont the same then apply to NaMo and the 100s of SITs against him investigating everything from his toilet habits to whom he speaks to everyday?

Oh thats easy to explain. With some practice we all can do it. Try this -

"instead of badmouthing MMS, spend that energy in structural reforms. Checks and balances. Balance of powers. Ex post facto. What is your alternative? BJP? what dope do you smoke? yada yada yeddy yeddy"

See? that was easy.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 18 Jul 2011 01:15

Beautiful interview by Arun Shourie
Your Call with Arun Shourie

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jul 2011 08:56

Suresh Kalmadi is literally going nuts. How convenient for the 2G family.

Suresh Kalmadi diagnosed with dementia, Games probe may suffer - http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 45983.html

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jul 2011 14:17

Kalmadi suffering from dementia? CWG trial may be hit - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 351804.cms

Some of the readers' comments are hilarious

Amit (Mumbai)
10 mins ago (02:30 PM)
Raja and Kanimojhi are suffering from AID S and MMS and SG are suffring from siflis..... What a democracy ??

SP (C)
32 mins ago (02:08 PM)
Wow we have ZERO LOSS MINISTER, now MEMORY loss MP better UPA to check how many more LOSS causing ministers exist to the exchequer? Bravo India you been served by great Loss making people

vjtan08 (Abu Dhabi)
34 mins ago (02:06 PM)
First things first. If he was suffering from dementia, why was he given the responsibility of conducting the CWG.

dinesh (coimbatore) replies to vjtan08
9 mins ago (02:31 PM)
good question.. but prime minister also doesnt remember why he gave kalmadi the DWG post.. i think the whole upa gov is suffering from loss of memory

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Jul 2011 14:37

OK now all corrupt will get a Doctor certificate for Dementia, Digvijay Singh( Official Mouthpiece) can now continue to claim his innocense.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Jul 2011 15:11

^^ Interesting that Diggy mentioned in his interview that he was pulled up by madam for his remarks on Chidu and so, he apologized to Chidu.

So, it means that there was no word from madam on his other remarks about Hindu terror, RSS and Mumbai blasts etc which means he was confirming that he is only repeating His Masters Voice.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Jul 2011 18:44

Indian right-wing groups making bombs, killing people: Chidambaram

PC Himself is linking this inevstigations with 2G

Interacting with PTI journalists, Chidambaram said BJP's attack could also be due to the fact that the government has persuaded the court to hear two Ayodhya cases on a more or less day-to-day basis.

He was replying to a question why he was being targeted by the BJP linking him to the 2G scam.

"What I suspect is that we have quickened the investigations into a number of bomb blast cases where right-wing fundamentalist organisations are involved. We have quickened....we have persuaded the court to hear two Ayodhya cases on a more or less day-to-day basis," he said.

This sounds like more like a local Blackmailer making a threat and not like a former Finance Minister and a current Hoem Minister.

If you have the power to persuade courts to hear cases fast or slow why didnt you do it
1) in Various corruption cases including bofors, 2G, CWG, Fodder case, Black money etc.
2) Various cases involving Terrorists and Maoists etc..

All maya onlee.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 25 Jul 2011 18:50

sum wrote:^^ Interesting that Diggy mentioned in his interview that he was pulled up by madam for his remarks on Chidu and so, he apologized to Chidu.

So, it means that there was no word from madam on his other remarks about Hindu terror, RSS and Mumbai blasts etc which means he was confirming that he is only repeating His Masters Voice.

And Suresh Kalmadi being innocent etc.

Which means the reason as Rahul Ghandi reportedly told US diplomats he does not see Pak sponsored Terror as Threat but sees BJP-RSS as terrorists is because only the AAM AADMI gets his brains blown up in ISI sponsored attacks but they might Lose power if BJP -RSS win elections, Hence ISI-PAK= Good and RSS-BJP= Bad.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Jul 2011 18:52

Aditya_V wrote:Indian right-wing groups making bombs, killing people: Chidambaram

PC Himself is linking this inevstigations with 2G

Interacting with PTI journalists, Chidambaram said BJP's attack could also be due to the fact that the government has persuaded the court to hear two Ayodhya cases on a more or less day-to-day basis.

He was replying to a question why he was being targeted by the BJP linking him to the 2G scam.

"What I suspect is that we have quickened the investigations into a number of bomb blast cases where right-wing fundamentalist organisations are involved. We have quickened....we have persuaded the court to hear two Ayodhya cases on a more or less day-to-day basis," he said.

This sounds like more like a local Blackmailer making a threat and not like a former Finance Minister and a current Hoem Minister.

If you have the power to persuade courts to hear cases fast or slow why didnt you do it
1) in Various corruption cases including bofors, 2G, CWG, Fodder case, Black money etc.
2) Various cases involving Terrorists and Maoists etc..

All maya onlee.

Aditya_V ji,

I am including sum ji's post above as well when I say that each cog in the well oiled kangress machine is playing it's allotted role to perfection.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 26 Jul 2011 06:46

Constable and Chidu are part of same crime according to Raja. I wonder he kept track of money trail to Mrs 10% also so him and Kanimoli will be out of slammer

A Raja defence is not new, says DMK
...
DMK members are not surprised at the former Union telecom minister A. Raja dragging the names of Prime Minister and the then finance minister P. Chidambaram into his line of spectrum defence.
...
He has been saying for long that he merely followed his predecessors and the PM and FM approved the flow of foreign investment to some companies.
...

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 26 Jul 2011 11:32

The cunning he and DMK people are , i wont be surprised if he has kept track of everything. Ultimately using it to save himself. Probably the evidence is with DMK itself.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 26 Jul 2011 16:31

The UPA has outshone itself.It has put on a political circus act-yes Mani S,you are indeed right,which will be the "platinum standard" for centuries to come,where the principal players in govt. from their mouthings all deserve to be sentenced for life in a lunatic asylum with each other.Just imagine the likes of "snake-oil" Singh,Kalmadi,Raja,Diggy-Raja,Sibal,Gill,Dixit,Kani,the Morons,PC and co. all sharing the same facility! They may be joined by even more demented friends with dementors as jailors too!

Come on SC,let's have more of the same and swift trials too!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 26 Jul 2011 17:44

krishnan wrote:The cunning he and DMK people are , i wont be surprised if he has kept track of everything. Ultimately using it to save himself. Probably the evidence is with DMK itself.

It is clear that this goes all the way up to the 2G family. Eventually some deal will be worked out. Who is going to be the fall guy - A.Raja? Is he trying to do a 'tum ko bi le doobenge' or is it just bargaining by posturing...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 26 Jul 2011 17:50

Gus wrote:
krishnan wrote:The cunning he and DMK people are , i wont be surprised if he has kept track of everything. Ultimately using it to save himself. Probably the evidence is with DMK itself.
It is clear that this goes all the way up to the 2G family. Eventually some deal will be worked out. Who is going to be the fall guy - A.Raja? Is he trying to do a 'tum ko bi le doobenge' or is it just bargaining by posturing...

Sacrificial goats are raja and chidu from kangress if it comes to that because the DMK may want to chew chidu for their own personal reasons. This may also keep Amma happy and stop her form baying for other "older" DMK blood.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 26 Jul 2011 18:03

^^^
Quite plausible and possible. A single party - DMK - could not have stolen these many lakhs of crores without INC knowing about it. And that means PM and 2G knew it. Period. Raja did not steal Rs10/- to be kept in the wraps. Big politicians, business houses, and babudom have to be involved. Since PM is named, it remains to be seen if 2G will throw PM under the bus or will they group around him. DMK has many of its members head at the block - Kannimozhi, Maran brothers & A.Raja. Why would they go down easily? If they can show that DMK did as INC wanted, then they plant a seed in people's mind that DMK might not be all that dirty.

Chidu has to go, he shamelessly brings in "hindu terror". How does he sleep in the night?

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 26 Jul 2011 18:09

A Raja has done a favour to Sonia by naming the PM . Now , he can be conveniently dethroned so that Rahul Baba can become PM.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 26 Jul 2011 18:11

SwamyG wrote:Chidu has to go..

chetak wrote:Sacrificial goats are raja and chidufrom kangress if it comes to that because the DMK may want to chew chidu for their own personal reasons.

I think, the above underlined gentleman is now beyond being tagged as a sacrificial goat. He like, the Maratha strongman who cannot be pushed around, has crossed into a league where his absence will hurt the Party financially as well as in many other ways. Especially, in the last two decades, he is one of few politicians who cannot be subdued by the people that rule. In a way, he is a counter-weight to the Party, just like the Maratha strongman. However, in the end, it is a mutually beneficial relationship, so nobody harms anyone more than just a little. Nevertheless, one cannot say in this political circus, for when will the Bell helicopter claim the next toll.

This is a good read on him:

http://canarytrap.in/2011/06/09/why-chi ... kpal-bill/

However, after Shivraj Patil was transferred, one did think that the gentleman would make a good HM.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Jul 2011 01:24

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 01 Aug 2011 05:05

http://news.in.msn.com/international/ar ... id=5331175

31/07/2011
Swamy favours independent prosecutors to deal with corruption

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Washington, Jul 31 (PTI) To check corruption in India, Janata Party leader Subramanian Swamy has demanded appointment of independent prosecutors like in the US and making CBI independent of the control of the government.
Swamy stated this while delivering a lecture on corruption in India at an event organised by the Global Indian Technology Professionals Organisation (GITPRO) in the Silicon Valley.
Summarising the impact of corruption as sub-optimisation and misutilisation of resources, a low return on investment, artificial inflation and dangers to the national security, he said that if it was not for corruption, India could have built complete infrastructure or wiped the revenue deficit in the budget or could have set up 100 modern universities.
He said that history was created when the apex court ordered the CBI to report to it and get instruction from the judiciary.
"When my repeated petitions to the Prime Minister on the 2G spectrum scandal did not evoke any response, the court stepped in and questioned the government why there was no response to my queries," Swamy said.
"This is unprecedented in the history of our country where the judiciary has castigated the executive for their lack of response on a matter concerning national importance," he said.
"India''s corruption has a multidimensional adverse effect on the society and the economy. In the process national security is also compromised. It is essential that instead of working to improve our own prosperity we need to go back to our own values," he said in his speech on ''Corruption and Black Money: Sources, Impacts and Solution.''
The GITPRO event was presided over by US Microtech''s CEO Sri Chawla.
Founded in the Silicon Valley in 2009, GITPRP has chapters in the US and India.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Aug 2011 06:33

AjayKK: Chidu is not only corrupt, based on the allegations, but he is far more dangerous to peace and harmony in the country by continuing to strengthen the concept of the "Hindu Terror" in people's mind. When officials parrot this nonsense, foreign media and politicians pick and use this to their advantage. Seriously, if he stole few crores the damage to the country is restricted and not long lasting. He can be brought to justice, and probably some crores recovered or help finding other corrupt people in the Cabinet. His views on 'Hindu terror' pushes Hindus and India on permanent back foot, and creates long term problems. If there was any truth to what he says, I would be interested in the individual. Alas.....he is a opportunist.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 01 Aug 2011 06:42

SwamyG wrote:AjayKK: Chidu is not only corrupt, based on the allegations, but he is far more dangerous to peace and harmony in the country by continuing to strengthen the concept of the "Hindu Terror" in people's mind. When officials parrot this nonsense, foreign media and politicians pick and use this to their advantage. Seriously, if we stole few crores the damage to the country is restricted and not long lasting. He can be brought to justice, and probably some crores recovered or help finding other corrupt people in the Cabinet. His views on 'Hindu terror' pushes Hindus and India on permanent back foot, and creates long term problems. If there was any truth to what he says, I would be interested in the individual. Alas.....he is a opportunist.

SwamyG saab,

The voter base of a TN politician is very conducive to such theories of Hindu terror. The cross has been successfully planted here and has strategically realized the advantages of block voting.

mani shankar iyer is another venal politician who publicly plays up to his voter base by slamming the Hindus.

Look at Amma so forcefully taking up the srilankan tamils issue. Totally unwarranted for India but vitally necessary for TN politics because of the voting patterns. Remember how she panicked and backed of from the anti conversion bill??

Regional politics as always will over rule our supreme national interests. You have only to look at the self created mess in the north east, kashmir, west bengal, kerala and of course Tamil nadu.

The Hindu terror card will be blatantly be played out here, even to the extent of change of demographics that will very soon come back to bite us.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 01 Aug 2011 06:52

I would not slam amma for her stance on SL tamilian issues. I agree she could be doing this for voting patterns, but GoSL is being given a clean escape and overlooked for all the heinous crimes against humanity. I am glad she is doing something/