Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): June 30, 2011

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 07:27

That clears my doubts, thanks. I would never want to 'use' Pakistan for any purpose.

My preference is to clear Pakistan of RAPEs and TSPA. Rest of the population will have to submit to Indian constitution. But in order to get there India has to get rid of WKKs. So it is a distant dream.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 03 Aug 2011 07:36

26 killed in 24 hours in Karachi:

Police say about 200 people were killed in July alone -- one of the deadliest months in almost 20 years. Local media put the number even higher, and the Dawn newspaper reported that 318 people were killed in July. The trouble in Karachi has continued despite the deployment of hundreds of additional police and paramilitary troops after violence erupted last month in the western Orangi town neighborhood, killing about 100 people in three days.

On Monday, the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) called for a political solution to the violence in Karachi. "While gangs of land-grabbers and mafias have tried to exploit the breakdown of law and order, they do not appear to be the main directors of the horrible game of death and destruction; that distinction belongs to more powerful political groups and it is they who hold the key to peace."

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 07:39

RamaY wrote:That clears my doubts, thanks. I would never want to 'use' Pakistan for any purpose.

My preference is to clear Pakistan of RAPEs and TSPA. Rest of the population will have to submit to Indian constitution. But in order to get there India has to get rid of WKKs. So it is a distant dream.

Many things may be attempted to reduce the influence of WKK - but the worst possible thing is to try and say "Look at how the US handles Pakistan. We should learn from the US"

WKKs are taking a lead from the US that bribing Pakistan, talking to ("staying engaged with") Pakistan and being friendly with Pakistan is the right thing to do - because that is EXACTLY what the US has done for 50 plus years. So what sort of stupid example is being set by demanding that India should behave like the US? WKKs are doing exactly that. I am trying to find out what type of nationalism this idiotic recommendation might be.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 07:45

There are two things.

- the nationalists want to emulate the US that kicks Paki butt like they did with OBL and the drone attacks.

- the WKKs want to emulate the US that pays and solicits pakis.

We cannot mix them. I prefer an india that gets the paki butt kicked by the very unkils, aunts and the BFFs who pay and solicit pakis.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 07:53

RamaY wrote:There are two things.

- the nationalists want to emulate the US that kicks Paki butt like they did with OBL and the drone attacks.

- the WKKs want to emulate the US that pays and solicits pakis.

We cannot mix them. I prefer an india that gets the paki butt kicked by the very unkils, aunts and the BFFs who pay and solicit pakis.

This is what i call sowing confusion and scoring a self goal. "Nationalists" (

) randomly choose some things that the USA does and say "Do this". They randomly deselect other US actions and say "Don't do that." This is such a stupid idea that WKKs are doing exactly the reverse of that. And having a merry time.

The first frigging mistake the self appointed nationalists (

)are making is their fundamental love and deep admiration for and affiliation with USA that stops them from thinking of India and using US examples. And after that they can only go downhill and

when the WKKs also take US actions a example. "Nationalism" is a word that is only going to attract more ROTFL because of this "India should follow our preferred half of American action" confusion

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 08:00

Any person who sits on BRF and imagines that 50 years of the US supporting Pakistan's military and economy somehow translates to "kicking Pakistani butt" is delusional and is talking utter crap. One has to be a deep America lover to do that. MUTU.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 Aug 2011 08:04

RamaY wrote:There are two things.

- the nationalists want to emulate the US that kicks Paki butt like they did with OBL and the drone attacks.

- the WKKs want to emulate the US that pays and solicits pakis.

We cannot mix them. I prefer an india that gets the paki butt kicked by the very unkils, aunts and the BFFs who pay and solicit pakis.

There is an old saying in Telugu
"puli ni choosi nakka vatha pettukundhi" which for non-telugu people means that a fox tried to emulate a tiger by having stripes tattooed so it can look like a tiger. End of the day both WKKs and Nationalists are foxes trying their best to look like the tiger. Both WILL fail because of the obvious reason.
So what should a fox do? It cannot hunt like a tiger and scare the $hit out of everybody. Does it have to wait till Tiger leaves the scene? Even if it waits would it earn the fear the tiger demands? I wouldnt bet on it.
The fox must do what it does best. Plain and simple

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 08:12

In this case even the Tiger is sucking up and bribing Pakistan while bashing other small countries. We have people watching the so called Tiger bashing Mogadishu, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Panama and imagine that 50 billion in aid and hundreds of aircraft and missiles gifted to Pakistan=="kicking Pakistani butt". The nationalists (

) are saying this. This is misuse of the word "nationalism". It would be disgusting if I could only stop laughing at the idea.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 08:19

Ambar wrote:
At dawn, bin Laden was loaded into the belly of a flip-wing V-22 Osprey, accompanied by a JSOC liaison officer and a security detail of military police. The Osprey flew south, destined for the deck of the U.S.S. Carl Vinson—a thousand-foot-long nuclear-powered aircraft carrier sailing in the Arabian Sea, off the Pakistani coast. The Americans, yet again, were about to traverse Pakistani airspace without permission. Some officials worried that the Pakistanis, stung by the humiliation of the unilateral raid in Abbottabad, might restrict the Osprey’s access. The airplane ultimately landed on the Vinson without incident.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011 ... z1TvUtyhrN
This clears several pages of discussion we had immediately after the raid. We were wondering how did they manage to reach USS Carl Vinson without trespassing Paki "sovereignty" again, well, there's the answer. It is a fascinating read into the preparation and minute details that goes into planning such operations.

It is also a fascinating example of how the US system selects a competent writer who uses all the tricks used in an exciting fictional novel to keep up interest and describe scenes and make the story come alive. I almost feel sorry for those Indian blogs by Indian spl forces people in Kashmir relating in their own amateur words the story of many ambushes - minus the benefit of a good story teller and a powerful propaganda spreading apparatus. For a similar brave deed the USA gets more admiration than an equivalent Indian. This is how the "Discovery channel syndrome" is generated.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 03 Aug 2011 08:22

shiv wrote:Any person who sits on BRF and imagines that 50 years of the US supporting Pakistan's military and economy somehow translates to "kicking Pakistani butt" is delusional and is talking utter crap. One has to be a deep America lover to do that. MUTU.

1. USA is kicking TSP butt with impunity and at any time of its choosing. The taking out of OBL and drone attacks and CIA running amuck in TSP are enough evidence of this

2. USA does not want to do an Iraq on TSP. And USA gives generous aid to TSP. This is because of USA geo-polotical objective of containing smarty SDREs like you using TSP

Nothing delusional about 1 and 2. They are facts, although the part about India containment is an unstated objective.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 03 Aug 2011 08:25

Brad Goodman wrote:this one is for the pleasure of paklurkers how cowards attacked and killed Sheikh
Getting Bin Laden

From the above,

Obama decided against informing or working with Pakistan. “There was a real lack of confidence that the Pakistanis could keep this secret for more than a nanosecond,” a senior adviser to the President told me.

The leaking of intelligence leading to the evacuation of the two IED-manufacturing facilities being operated by Haqqani & Gul Bahadur in Waziristan and which was graphically captured in the video that Panetta showed to Kayani & Pasha proved yet again Obama's nanosecond theory. That this came after the May 2 Abbottabad operation shows the incorrigibility of TSPA/ISI and their commitment to 'good Taliban'. TSPA did not mind putting Pakistan under very grave risk to support 'good Taliban'. India should not therefore expect any improvement at all in the atmospherics.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 08:28

CRamS wrote:
shiv wrote:Any person who sits on BRF and imagines that 50 years of the US supporting Pakistan's military and economy somehow translates to "kicking Pakistani butt" is delusional and is talking utter crap. One has to be a deep America lover to do that. MUTU.
1. USA is kicking TSP butt with impunity and at any time of its choosing. The taking out of OBL and drone attacks and CIA running amuck in TSP are enough evidence of this

2. USA does not want to do an Iraq on TSP. And USA gives generous aid to TSP. This is because of USA geo-polotical objective of containing smarty SDREs like you using TSP

Nothing delusional about 1 and 2. They are facts, although the part about India containment is an unstated objective.

You are a well known admirer of the country you have adopted and can be expected to translate one raid killing one Arab (not even a Paki) as ""kicking butt" and ignoring 50 years of licking Paki ass as "strength". You also spin the US's inability to take on Pakistan as it did Iraq as strength. But you are entitled to be patriotically loyal to the country to which you swore allegiance so I cannot question that. In your perspective, you are right. But not in mine.

archan · Post by **archan** » 03 Aug 2011 08:42

shiv, aren't you getting a tad too personal in your arguments? if people start commenting on the other person's location etc., then this sets a wrong precedent. This thread could go down the pakistan faster than Pakistan is going.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Aug 2011 08:49

shiv wrote:
This is what i call sowing confusion and scoring a self goal. "Nationalists" ( ) randomly choose some things that the USA does and say "Do this". They randomly deselect other US actions and say "Don't do that." This is such a stupid idea that WKKs are doing exactly the reverse of that. And having a merry time.

The first frigging mistake the self appointed nationalists ( )are making is their fundamental love and deep admiration for and affiliation with USA that stops them from thinking of India and using US examples. And after that they can only go downhill and when the WKKs also take US actions a example. "Nationalism" is a word that is only going to attract more ROTFL because of this "India should follow our preferred half of American action" confusion

Arundhati Roy's mindless WKKism == Richard Armitrage's threat to Mushy. Umm..yeah, i think i see your point!

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 03 Aug 2011 08:52

>>>1. USA is kicking TSP butt with impunity and at any time of its choosing. The taking out of OBL and drone attacks and CIA running amuck in TSP are enough evidence of this

>>>2. USA does not want to do an Iraq on TSP. And USA gives generous aid to TSP. This is because of USA geo-polotical objective of containing smarty SDREs like you using TSP

>>>Nothing delusional about 1 and 2. They are facts, although the part about India containment is an unstated objective.

Iraq and TSP cannot be equated. During the second gulfwar iraqi airforce was almost non existent. And its army was defunct. US does not have the millitary capacity to attack TSP. OBL succeeded in his objectives. He and the Talibs had nothing to lose. They were ready to die. Their lives were worthless as it is. 30-40K slaughtered talibanies/paki's mean essentially nothing in the grander scheme of things.
These could have died in anycase there . Lifespan was quite low in TSP/ Afghanistan even before the Americans entered due to poor health care and perpetual civil war situation. OBL had renal failure and could have died naturally in any case had Khan not killed him. And he did not care in any case.
Al keeda succeeded in ensuring a rapid decline of US status in the world. They spent a Trillion dollars (officially) and 10k + lives were lost in the whole affair. It's loss of superpower status is almost inevitable .A matter of years. It was Americans and only the Americans who had something to lose . And they lost a lot at that.

Al qaida / Pakistan won against the US just as Pakistan is winning against the Indians.

An Analogy

A group of beggars with contempt for a rich Guy sets his factory on fire. The rich guy in anger beats up some of the beggars and breaks their Bones. (or even kills some of them) . But due to the fire in his factory he loses a huge deal financially and is plunged into a debt crisis. Who lost in this ? Obviously the rich guy . The beggar could have died in any case due to some disease due to lack of access to healthcare.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 03 Aug 2011 08:55

I wouldn't use the logic "they will be dead sooner or later", as it doesn't make sense in this discussion.

How much of the $1T war budget spent on US personal/amortization and logistics costs and how much ammunition is really used.

I wouldn't call it war cost if 70% of it goes back to US thru salaries, military purchases etc.,

All the wars in past 10 years cost <10% US deficit.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Aug 2011 08:56

Ambar,

The point is that $7.5B in aid is more than 7.5B times larger than A. Roy's gibberish.

A. Roy crap plus 50 cents is still far short of a dollar. That is the point you can try and see. Amritraj's threats are just threats -- the moolah is real. When you see Joe Biden, John Kerry and other luminaries reverse GUBOing to Pak, you see the true picture.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Aug 2011 08:58

RamaY wrote: I wouldn't call it war cost if 70% of it goes back to US thru salaries, military purchases etc.,

It has been shown in numerous studies that in terms of its effect on the economy, military spending is something like factor of 3 less efficient than traditional methods for induction of funds/investment. So yes, the $1T is mostly wasted.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Aug 2011 09:04

GuruPrabhu-ji, 20+ billion $ in 10 yrs to Pakistan is less than what GOTUS spent on bailing out a worthless Chrysler motor company. All i'm trying to say is this, when US gives Pak arms/alms, it also extracts something in return from Pakistan, be it Aismal Kansis, Khaled Sheikhs, military bases or some information about a jihadi piglet who maybe irrelevant to Pakis but relevant to the US. US pays money keeping in mind its interests and pursues it ruthlessly. Arundhati Roy and her like are not pursuing India's interests by any stretch of imagination! So the entire comparison of doing a = = between Indian WKKs to American aid to Pakistan is preposterous IMHO.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 03 Aug 2011 09:05

gakakkad wrote: 1.US does not have the millitary capacity to attack TSP. OBL succeeded in his objectives. ........
2.Al keeda succeeded in ensuring a rapid decline of US status in the world. They spent a Trillion dollars (officially) and 10k + lives were lost in the whole affair. It's loss of superpower status is almost inevitable .A matter of years. It was Americans and only the Americans who had something to lose . And they lost a lot at that.
Al qaida / Pakistan won against the US just as Pakistan is winning against the Indians.

1.US does have the military capacity to cause complete annihilation of TSP. 12 hours of Shock and Awe on TSP would finish them off for good. But it cannot do that yet because that would mean helping India's growth.
2.US reduction of superpower status is because of the greed associated with leveraged trading,CDS etc by Investment banks.
If US had partnered with India after 9/11 and attacked Pakistan straightaway lot of lives would have been saved,but they still would have suffered financial losses.
You are giving too much credit to AQ and Pakistan
JMT
Altair

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 03 Aug 2011 09:10

shiv wrote:
RamaY wrote: Taking this analogy, WKKs want to play with this nymphomaniac day in and day out and sell it as their accomplishment.

On the other hand the nationalists want to recognize the fact that the w*ore is nymphomaniac and inform their fellow family members so others will not for that nonsense.
Yes we are dealing with a nymphomaniac. The purpose of the analogy was to point out how the nationalists are botching a simple job and are the world's top self goal scorers.

Here is a nymphomaniac who readily sleeps with anyone. Not a slave. The slave will do anything. The nymphomaniac will only do what she enjoys and she will not do what she does not enjoy. That means that Pakistan is NOT under US control. She only sleeps with the US as long as she enjoys it. If "nationalists" insist on comparing India with the US and mocking Indians for not being attractive to the nymphomaniac they have no business being critical of WKKs. The WKKs are doing the same things as the USA. They are trying to please/praise/bribe the nymphomaniac so she will sleep with them. How come nationalists admire their USA so much while they are critical of WKKs? Both are attempting to please the nymphomaniac.

But I sometimes think that nationalists are losers because they can't see sense. They are only good at inviting ROTFL at themselves in their dour seriousness. India cannot and must not do what the USA and the WKKs are doing. Both are trying to please the nympho. Jumping up and down and howling that USA is right and WKK is wrong is a failure to see the obvious. This is called "nationalism"? LOL This is brainless tripe. Not nationalism. That word is once again being raped.

if your girlfriend is a nympho, and you want to keep the relationship going.. you can stop taking her seriously - humour her and just keep doing 'it'... wkk brand chai biskoot is what we give while khan buys her necklaces (billions)..

tsp is going to get nothing from us other than WKKs - who are enjoying on their expense account.

imho there is a need on the GOI leaders' side to figure out a rapprochement with tsp whether bjp or kangres.

the indian strategy is to drown them with love.

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Aug 2011 09:15

Ambar wrote:GuruPrabhu-ji, 20+ billion $ in 10 yrs to Pakistan is less than what GOTUS spent on bailing out a worthless Chrysler motor company.

To paraphrase someone, "A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you are talking real money". There is no relevance to comparison between TSP and GM -- they serve different interests. The point is that 20+ billion is "real money" to TSP and its survival. There has been a single dedicated sugar daddy of Pak, and that is the US. Some folks incorporate this into "keeping India in check" paradigm so that it can be brushed away. However, it is pure and simple Jizya.

All i'm trying to say is this, when US gives Pak arms/alms, it also extracts something in return from Pakistan, be it Aismal Kansis, Khaled Sheikhs, military bases or some information about a jihadi piglet who maybe irrelevant to Pakis but relevant to the US.

What is the $$ worth of these jokers? TSP can produce new ones like these for next to nothing. This is a calibrated game the whore plays.

Also, what is the "relevance" of a random piglet to the US? The piglet is just a pawn who is run by the ISI. How many ISI generals has the US corralled?

US pays money keeping in mind its interests and pursues it ruthlessly. Arundhati Roy and her like are not pursuing India's interests by any stretch of imagination! So the entire comparison of doing a = = between Indian WKKs to American aid to Pakistan is preposterous IMHO.

What is your evidence to support the claim that US is getting its interests served? As I see it, the US is stuck in a harsh corner of H&D saving exit from Afghanistan and a rapidly deteriorating credit situation.

On the other hand, how does A. Roy hurt India, other than getting some folks' undies in a twist? Her rants are amusing to me. What harm, what *physical* and *fiscal* harm has she caused India?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 09:17

archan wrote:shiv, aren't you getting a tad too personal in your arguments? if people start commenting on the other person's location etc., then this sets a wrong precedent. This thread could go down the pakistan faster than Pakistan is going.

Thank you for pointing this out to me. I know I did that - but I see this as a consistent feature and unless someone calls it out nothing is going to change.

I will also, in future take pains to point out instances in which people, no matter what their location, demand that India should behave like some other country - for example Israel or the USA. If no one has a right to question the motivation of someone who does that, then equally there should be no reason for anyone to question the motivation of someone who comes to BRF and asks that Kashmir be handed over to Pakistan. If India must behave like Israel or the US in the viewpoint of some people, it should be perfectly valid for someone on this forum to demand that India behave like Pakistan and ask for Kashmir to be handed over.

There are some things that are ignored unless they are pointed out.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 09:28

Altair wrote:
1.US does have the military capacity to cause complete annihilation of TSP. 12 hours of Shock and Awe on TSP would finish them off for good.

Altairji. The US could not do that to Afghanistan in 12 hours. This is a false image that we on BRF choose to build up for the US.

But yes, if we accept that the US has the capacity to beat Pakistan down, that capacity is like my own capacity to woo Angelina Jolie. It is a worthless claim unless it happens. The "capacity" is useless unless it is demonstrated The US has had the "capacity" for 50 years but it has only wooed and mollycoddled Pakistan and cannot and will not beat Pakistan. In relation to Pakistan US strength is a fraud. US control is non existent. They pay billions and get peanuts.

We on BRF are talking utter crap if we use the US as an example of how Pakistan should be handled. The US is admired too much for non existent capability. The US is not the direction we need to look to handle Pakistan.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 03 Aug 2011 09:35

shiv wrote:
Altair wrote:
1.US does have the military capacity to cause complete annihilation of TSP. 12 hours of Shock and Awe on TSP would finish them off for good.
Altairji. The US could not do that to Afghanistan in 12 hours. This is a false image that we on BRF choose to build up for the US.

But yes, if we accept that the US has the capacity to beat Pakistan down, that capacity is like my own capacity to woo Angelina Jolie. It is a worthless claim unless it happens. The "capacity" is useless unless it is demonstrated The US has had the "capacity" for 50 years but it has only wooed and mollycoddled Pakistan and cannot and will not beat Pakistan. In relation to Pakistan US strength is a fraud. US control is non existent. They pay billions and get peanuts.

We on BRF are talking utter crap if we use the US as an example of how Pakistan should be handled. The US is admired too much for non existent capability. The US is not the direction we need to look to handle Pakistan.

while it is true that khan has got some peanuts - he has the ability to turn the screws on the RAPE - by stopping visas, education to kids, ostracizing all their elite etc. which is pretty much a lever we dont have.

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Aug 2011 09:44

GuruPrabhu wrote: To paraphrase someone, "A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you are talking real money". There is no relevance to comparison between TSP and GM -- they serve different interests. The point is that 20+ billion is "real money" to TSP and its survival. There has been a single dedicated sugar daddy of Pak, and that is the US. Some folks incorporate this into "keeping India in check" paradigm so that it can be brushed away. However, it is pure and simple Jizya.

What is the $$ worth of these jokers? TSP can produce new ones like these for next to nothing. This is a calibrated game the whore plays.

Also, what is the "relevance" of a random piglet to the US? The piglet is just a pawn who is run by the ISI. How many ISI generals has the US corralled?

What is your evidence to support the claim that US is getting its interests served? As I see it, the US is stuck in a harsh corner of H&D saving exit from Afghanistan and a rapidly deteriorating credit situation.

On the other hand, how does A. Roy hurt India, other than getting some folks' undies in a twist? Her rants are amusing to me. What harm, what *physical* and *fiscal* harm has she caused India?

The point is that 20+ billion is "real money" to TSP and its survival.

Exactly my point as well! The knob to the oxygen cylinder that Pak breathes through is held by US. It is no different to sweets that a madari feeds his monkey after every trick.

2 billion$/yr for a 14.5 trillion $ economy is not a heavy price to pay,especially when you are spending close to 700billion$ on defence/yr. Is 20 billion $ real money? It sure is, but the cost-benefit justifies such a "investment", as did the bailout of Chrysler in 2008.

TSP can/is producing millions of Khaled Sheikhs every day, honestly, their jihadi factories are self-sustaining, you no longer need to brainwash a Paki to hate US, but how many of them have actually attacked US ? Khaled Sheiks, Ramzi Yousefs etc did attack US, and perhaps their arrests justifies the monetary compensation US pays Pakistan every year.

Arundathi Roy and her like gives Pakis a great shot in the arm when they try to garner international support for the "cause of Kashmiris". They are what Lenin called "the useful idiots". Let Roys,Burqa Dutts, Angana Chatterjis of this world talk to pakistan from a perspective of India's interest, and then i'll agree to this America/China = = Indian WKK theory.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Aug 2011 09:53

rajpa wrote: while it is true that khan has got some peanuts - he has the ability to turn the screws on the RAPE - by stopping visas, education to kids, ostracizing all their elite etc. which is pretty much a lever we dont have.

"Ability to turn the screws" is an imaginary one. If I claimed that I had the Ability to make Angelia Joile my girlfriend in a day - no one would believe me even if I insist that I have the ability. The US has no such ability. I think too many people have believed in this fairy tale for too long.

I think we are hitting a wall of cognitive dissonance here where we resist information which contradicts what we believe. There is a collective belief that the US can do all sorts of things. But simple observation reveals that the US has not been able to do any significant damage to Pakistan or control Pakistan while all it has done is pay protection money like a petty businessman scared by D company. The US does not have the capacity to do it. But we don't want to believe it. We are chasing a fraudulent dream.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 03 Aug 2011 10:03

interesting! am i justified in assuming that you are declaring "The End of War" much like the "The End of History"... there is nothing much that can be done wrt TSP.. is that it?

so drowning them in wkk love is a good strategy then?

GuruPrabhu · Post by **GuruPrabhu** » 03 Aug 2011 10:04

Ambar wrote:2 billion$/yr for a 14.5 trillion $ economy is not a heavy price to pay,especially when you are spending close to 700billion$ on defence/yr. Is 20 billion $ real money? It sure is, but the cost-benefit justifies such a "investment", as did the bailout of Chrysler in 2008.

Yes, it is not a big deal for the US to throw scraps at TSP. But that is exactly the point. Why *does* it throw the scraps? US doesn't need to nuke TSP in 12 hours to get the job done -- all it needs to do is to cut off the moolah. So, why doesn't it do it?

There are 3 views:

1. It is because it wants to contain India. (bogus, in my view. Containing India is trivial. Rather than give $2B to TSP, the US can give $10M each to 100 random Indian politicians and save 50% on the exercise. India is contained by Indians, period.)

2. It is getting "value" for its money (also bogus, see above)

3. It is paying Jizya to keep TSP from attacking US interests. This is the only one that passes the ROFL test.

Arundathi Roy and her like gives Pakis a great shot in the arm when they try to garner international support for the "cause of Kashmiris". They are what Lenin called "the useful idiots". Let Roys,Burqa Dutts, Angana Chatterjis of this world talk to pakistan from a perspective of India's interest, and then i'll agree to this America/China = = Indian WKK theory.

What is this "shot in the arm" you talk about? What is its strategic and/or monetary worth? If it is just a different flavor of chai and different brand of biskoot, why should we care?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 03 Aug 2011 10:24

shiv wrote:
rajpa wrote: while it is true that khan has got some peanuts - he has the ability to turn the screws on the RAPE - by stopping visas, education to kids, ostracizing all their elite etc. which is pretty much a lever we dont have.

"Ability to turn the screws" is an imaginary one. If I claimed that I had the Ability to make Angelia Joile my girlfriend in a day - no one would believe me even if I insist that I have the ability. The US has no such ability. I think too many people have believed in this fairy tale for too long.

Without any pisskological analogies, do you believe Pakistan stands a chance in hell of defeating US in a conventional war ? ( Mind you, we are not talking about a endless occupation like Afg/Iraq/Vietnam). If yes, what chance does India have against a Pakistan that can defeat the world's sole superpower ? Looking through such a prism, we just have to throw our hands in the air and admit that we'll continue to get blown by Paki terrorists and can do nothing about it. That's the point you are trying to make.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 03 Aug 2011 10:52

shiv wrote:
It is also a fascinating example of how the US system selects a competent writer who uses all the tricks used in an exciting fictional novel to keep up interest and describe scenes and make the story come alive. I almost feel sorry for those Indian blogs by Indian spl forces people in Kashmir relating in their own amateur words the story of many ambushes - minus the benefit of a good story teller and a powerful propaganda spreading apparatus. For a similar brave deed the USA gets more admiration than an equivalent Indian. This is how the "Discovery channel syndrome" is generated.

I have consistently maintained that bin Laden operation was nothing but an "encounter death" in Indian parlance. All they did was to knock down the door of a house, whose landlord (pakis) has been bribed to keep off the property and then shoot a sleepy guy without giving him any legal recourse. I would stand up and notice if bin laden was whisked to a facility for a trial. But no, that did not happen. Khan too took a leaf out of Indian COIN book, due to risks to their own pooh-bah's kids etc from dissident pakis. All those going ga-ga over Ospreys, clean-cut SEAL boys et al, that sort of thing is a waste of tax payer money for something as mundane as an encounter in a residential area. There are already enough hit teams on the ground in pakiland to do that.

The differential for khan is Prez Obama - he took a political decision to payoff a faction of the landlords and go in. Unlike the previous chap, who just paid off and kept squinting in the general direction of bin laden, waiting for pakis to deliver him. Rest of the stuff like those guys and that helicopter with funky tail rotor etc. That stopped clouding my thoughts, back in Nov 2001.

Yes, bin laden is a sleaze bag and needs to be retired, like back in the 80s. But that is me, an Indian talking. Not a johny-come-lately, uber-holy Amirkhan talking condescendingly to me about "due process", "Cashmere" et al. I am sure they have their "reasons" for shooting a sleepy man, but I dont have to give a frick, when I twist the tail of Mirkhan's buffalo citizenry, when they start pontificating

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 03 Aug 2011 11:00

With the OBL hit, USA has taken the sheep skin off the wolf. While earlier the wolf was more than willing to play sheep, now when unmasked, there is an urge to act like a wolf as well.

So we see USA slowly backing off, not willing to make any sudden movements for fear that any such move would encourage the wolf to pounce. USA wants to back off slowly and reach for the gun!

As long as American soldiers are in Afghanistan dependent on the supply lines from USA, the current slow dance will continue. Also as long as some strategy is not put in place to denuke Pakistan, one need not expect official American rhetoric to become vicious.

For now, it is all "good doggy! nice doggy"!

sum · Post by **sum** » 03 Aug 2011 11:12

After all the boasting about Indo-Pak football series, Pakis doing their favorite pastime , downhill skiing , when faced with no sponsors coming forward to fund this "much awaited" series:
Just one Indo-Pak football match due to Ramazan: TSP

The planned three-match football series between India and Pakistan in the UK has been derailed and the two countries will play just one match as per the scheduled, at Derby on September 3.

A senior official of the Pakistan Football Federation (PFF) confirmed that due to logistical issues and the holy month of Ramazan, just one Test will now be played between the two countries on September 3.

“Everything is in place. We have got the sponsorship for the match which is being televised in both the countries but due to Ramazan we can have only one match,” Sardar Naved, the marketing and event management consultant of the PFF said.

He said the PFF was keen on playing all the three Tests despite the delay due to Ramazan but the All India Football Federation (AIFF) had made it clear that its team was only available till September 11.

Blame it on the SDREs

Originally, the two bodies had planned three matches from August 25 to September 11 but Naved said the Muslim community in the United Kingdom told the PFF, crowds would not show up due to Ramazan.

He said the Pakistan team would now play two other matches against local English clubs on the tour to the UK after their Test against India .

“The tour is costing nothing to the PFF as the organisers are providing for everything including boarding-lodging, travelling, daily allowances and even an appearance fee to the PFF,” Naved said.

Blame it on UK muslims who didnt want to attend due to Ramadan!!

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 03 Aug 2011 11:30

Eleven killed in Karachi, Malik says situation improving

What a sorry state of existence for mango pacquis.

11 of them dispatched to jannat is a sign of improvement for their interior minister.

Meanwhile,

Buy one month’s ration, Altaf asks Karachiites

MQM Chief Altaf Hussain has asked the people of Karachi to store a month’s ration as the government and law-enforcement agencies have failed to maintain peace, reported a private TV channel.
Altaf asked the people to buy the ration even if they have to sell their valuables.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 03 Aug 2011 11:44

i hope the pious paqui players wear full length patloons for playing footie
besides, someone should let MI5 know about potential 'defectors' from the team once in the UK

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 03 Aug 2011 12:08

Ambar wrote: Exactly my point as well! The knob to the oxygen cylinder that Pak breathes through is held by US. It is no different to sweets that a madari feeds his monkey after every trick.

Knob? What knob? They hold a knob as much as a hostage negotiator paying off the kidnapper holds a knob. That supply route to US troops in Afg. and the +X dollahs fuel costs coming over CAR ... that's how the Pakis have the US by the short and curlies. If you're looking for knobs I'd suggest looking at the burning fuel tankers evertime the aid spigot is turned off.

TSP can/is producing millions of Khaled Sheikhs every day, honestly, their jihadi factories are self-sustaining, you no longer need to brainwash a Paki to hate US, but how many of them have actually attacked US ? Khaled Sheiks, Ramzi Yousefs etc did attack US, and perhaps their arrests justifies the monetary compensation US pays Pakistan every year.

I'm guessing if we had an ocean or two between us and Pakistan we'd have less attacks too. I can see how stellar a job the US does of sealing the Afg/Pak border. That's the terrain we have with them too.

Arundathi Roy and her like gives Pakis a great shot in the arm when they try to garner international support for the "cause of Kashmiris". They are what Lenin called "the useful idiots". Let Roys,Burqa Dutts, Angana Chatterjis of this world talk to pakistan from a perspective of India's interest, and then i'll agree to this America/China = = Indian WKK theory.

Yes. The US is entirely free of mindless bleeding hearts. No siree.. no useful idiots in America. Such is it's greatness.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 03 Aug 2011 13:21

Apologies if already posted. Strange the culprits are no longer 'Asian'. Very strange.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-14381083

Chinmayanand · Post by **Chinmayanand** » 03 Aug 2011 13:36

^ They might be holding UK passports.

rajpa · Post by **rajpa** » 03 Aug 2011 13:41

Yes. The US is entirely free of mindless bleeding hearts. No siree.. no useful idiots in America. Such is it's greatness.

well they do have mindless lobbyists who can make useful idiots out of congressmen it seems.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 03 Aug 2011 13:43

Chinmayanand wrote:^ They might be holding UK passports.

Why not say that they are persons of Asian origin.