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The plot thickens!!

Govt in fix on Radha's RTI denial
Fresh controversy has erupted around the foreign visit of Radha Kumar, one of the Centre’s interlocutors on Jammu & Kashmir. Radha Kumar has refused to divulge details of her foreign junkets to the Home Ministry, which had sought the same for preparing a response to a RTI query.

Radha Kumar’s colleague on the panel, Dileep Padgaonkar, is already at the centre of a row for going on a foreign trip sponsored by ISI-backed Ghulam Nabi Fai.

According to sources, Radha Kumar has refused to provide the Home Ministry the details of her foreign trips for attending seminars, and written to the Government that she won’t take a penny as emolument in future.

“I won’t comment on this issue. My communication with the Home Ministry is confidential,” Radha Kumar told The Pioneer and refused to divulge her response to the Home Ministry.

Radha Kumar attended some seminars on the Kashmir issue in Europe, alleged to be organised by anti-India groups. Sources said her stand not to take any emolument from the Government is a ploy to avoid her from coming under the purview of RTI Act.

For the past 11 months, the Government has been paying her `1.5 lakh as salary per month and other allowances. According to RTI rules, anybody receiving payments from the Government comes under purview of the Act, except on the specifically exempted departments. Sources maintained that refusing to take emolument from the Government won’t help Kumar as she is a Government appointee.
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Being twittered around:
"KASHMIR at 1930 GMT on Al Jazeera's The Stream Tonight! Spread the word!"

The Stream: http://stream.aljazeera.com/

I think that is 1:00 AM in India, and 3:30 PM US EDT.
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Ilyas Kashmiri planning to target India: Govt
August 10, 2011 4:02:57 PM

PTI | New Delhi


The Centre today said intelligence inputs have suggested that al-Qaeda and one of its dreaded terrorists Ilyas Kashmiri were planning to target India.

"There are some intelligence inputs, though not specifically, regarding plan to target India by al-Qaeda and Ilyas Kashmiri, an al-Qaeda-HUJI operative and his group," Minister of State for Home Jitendra Singh informed Rajya Sabha.

The Minister said government was committed to combat terrorism and extremism in all its forms and manifestation as no cause, genuine or imaginary, can justify terrorism or violence.

"Government continues to be alert to these threats and re-calibrates its measures to combat terrorism by way of reviewing threat perception and a number of important decisions and measures have been taken...," he said.
IOW the recent Kupwara beheading was his calling card to let the world know he isn't dead.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world ... ?ref=world

A new leaf in Kashmir or the calm before another storm?
By this time last summer, this beleaguered city was a war zone. Dozens of people had been killed in deadly clashes between stone-throwing protesters and heavily armed security forces. Each death prompted a fresh set of angry demonstrations that prompted even tougher crackdowns, leading to more bloodshed.

It was the third rage-filled summer in a row, and by the time the autumn leaves turned, more than 100 civilians had been killed. Apples rotted from their branches in orchards across the valley and the saffron went unharvested. The valley’s economy virtually collapsed.

When young Muslims across North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula rose up this winter and spring against dictatorial governments, it seemed inevitable that their example would find voice here, in a mostly Muslim region that is claimed by both India and Pakistan, and where Indian soldiers are seen as an occupying force.

Instead, the Kashmir Valley is enjoying an unexpected season of tranquillity. Tourists from across India have descended on the valley, filling just about every airplane seat, hotel room and houseboat. Business in Lal Chowk, the city’s bustling central market, is booming again. Wooden shikara boats ferry vacationers across the shimmering surface of Dal Lake, trying to dodge the latest attraction, zooming Jet Skis.
There is visible improvement in the situation, no doubt,” said Yusuf Tarigami, a senior state legislator. “In terms of the relationship with the Indian government, the relationship between India and Pakistan, and the quality of governance people are enjoying.”

A détente between India and Pakistan has helped cool tensions in the region, officials here say. Talks between the nations had been on hold for two years after militants from Pakistan attacked the city of Mumbai, formerly Bombay, killing more than 160 people. The talks resumed this year in earnest, and on July 27 the two countries announced a series of measures aimed at easing restrictions at the Line of Control, the de facto border between the parts of Kashmir each country controls.

After years of battling armed rebels seeking independence, the security forces in the region never fully shifted their mission from counterinsurgency to addressing unrest by civilians armed with nothing but rocks. But that has changed. They have received new training and equipment that allows them to control restive crowds without resorting to lethal force.

“The government security machinery is a lot better at handling situations that could arise out of protests than we were at the same time last year, in terms of equipment, in terms of training and in terms of mind-set as well,” said Omar Abdullah, the chief minister of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir.
But at the core, the issue for many Kashmiris remains unchanged.

Syed Ali Shah Geelani, the aging separatist leader who led the calls for strikes and protests over the last few years, said this lull was not true peace.

“This is a forcible peace that has been made at the point of a gun,” he said. “People are under very grave slavery.”

Maqbool Rishi, a student of zoology at the University of Kashmir who took part in protests last year, said that the struggle for self-determination would continue.

“It is just a cycle,” he said. “The protest will come again and again. It is the inner voice of Kashmir.”
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ramana wrote:Ilyas Kashmiri planning to target India: Govt
August 10, 2011 4:02:57 PM

PTI | New Delhi


The Centre today said intelligence inputs have suggested that al-Qaeda and one of its dreaded terrorists Ilyas Kashmiri were planning to target India.

"There are some intelligence inputs, though not specifically, regarding plan to target India by al-Qaeda and Ilyas Kashmiri, an al-Qaeda-HUJI operative and his group," Minister of State for Home Jitendra Singh informed Rajya Sabha.

The Minister said government was committed to combat terrorism and extremism in all its forms and manifestation as no cause, genuine or imaginary, can justify terrorism or violence.

"Government continues to be alert to these threats and re-calibrates its measures to combat terrorism by way of reviewing threat perception and a number of important decisions and measures have been taken...," he said.
IOW the recent Kupwara beheading was his calling card to let the world know he isn't dead.
IF the beheading is true why is it not being discussed in National Media? WHom are the Media working for?
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For the past 11 months, the Government has been paying her `1.5 lakh as salary per month and other allowances.
Wow even IAS/IFS folks or top brass in the services don't make that kind of money.
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Reason: Unnecessary. ramana
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the number of People Killed in Kashmir Insurgency as stated in Parliament.
As per reports of J&K Government, 13226 civilians and 5369 Security Force personnel have been killed in terrorist violence in Jammu and Kashmir during the period from year 1990 to April, 2011. Similarly, 21323 terrorists have been killed during the same period.

Relief is a State subject. As per the J&K Government’s Relief policy, the Next of Kins (NoKs) of civilian victims of terrorist violence as well as Security Force personnel are sanctioned ex-gratia amounts based on extent orders in this regard.

This was stated by Shri Jitendra Singh, Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs in written reply to a question in the Rajya Sabha today.
http://www.pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx
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Pranay wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/10/world ... ?ref=world

A new leaf in Kashmir or the calm before another storm?
Writer seems to be yet another uniformed journalist who dug up news from other sources and wrote a hack to meet a deadline. The article itself is full of half-truths and shows no real understanding of the issue. Not worth reading
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New age chief minister. :rotfl:

Frequent holidays to relieve stress. :P

and making the best of his one and only opportunity.
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Dileep Padagoankar does not want Afzal Guru sentence to be carried out.

His concern is it would inflame Kashmir separatists ire.

He is also against death penalty

What would not inflame separatists ire? :(


Most likely all its is nautanki.
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Geelani warns of 'dire consequences' if Afzal Guru is hanged
Hardline Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani on Thursday warned of "dire consequences" if Parliament attack convict Mohammad Afzal Guru was hanged.
It will unleash a "storm", Geelani said in a statement.
This is what India has been reduced to.
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Why we still not have POK integrated into India and article 370 lifted is the question I have to ask and why is there a Bakistan next door.? :eek:
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uddu wrote:Why we still not have POK integrated into India and article 370 lifted is the question I have to ask and why is there a Bakistan next door.? :eek:
uddu ji,

About time you came out of your stasis chamber! But as you see, nothing has changed much! :)
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A_Gupta wrote:Controversy over literary festival
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/au ... ontroversy

But Peer said he was happy with his decision not to attend. "How can authors who tell the story of abuses of power or the suffering of people in Kashmir be part of such an event? I would rather go to a jail in Srinagar and read my book to the young people who are still imprisoned there."
But he doesn't mind sucking up to white elites in US and puking about India depite CIA picking any Muslim they like and running torture camps to extract information about the mighty "Al Queda". So much for these pukes' love of so called "freedom". India has been too soft on the valley RAPE Mofos like Peer.
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news reports speak of firing by Baki Rangers/ troops on Our positions at the Samba Border
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wig wrote:news reports speak of firing by Baki Rangers/ troops on Our positions at the Samba Border
News article on the incident X Posted from the TSP thread.

BSF DIG (G Branch), S Oberoi:

"We have given them sweets and fruits on their Independence Day yesterday during a flag meeting. But they have returned the gesture with bullets today on our Independence Day,"

Read it all:

Pak Violates Ceasefire on I-Day Along J&K Border
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X posted from Indo UK thread

Pak spies in the house of commons
the group is alleged to have been promoting Pakistani interests in the long-running conflict between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan over the disputed border region of Kashmir, using millions of dollars of covert funding.

The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Fai was also director of the Justice Foundation based in Bloomsbury, central London, alongside three British men and two Indian nationals, one of them based in Saudi Arabia.
Pakistani spies have been operating a front organisation in London to exert political pressure on the government
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"We have given them sweets and fruits on their Independence Day yesterday during a flag meeting. But they have returned the gesture with bullets today on our Independence Day,"
Need to get this statement to repeat a 1000 times in a tape to MMS and all other WKKs.
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From http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_is ... es_1576089

ISI vetted Indians on Ghulam Nabi Fai list of invitees

Having read Angana and Pervez Imroz's whitewashing of the role of Pakistani actors (state or non-state) in the disappearance of people in Kashmir - Angana's protests seem to come across as crocodile tears. Saikat Dutta must be aware of this, but tends to paint a somewhat defensive picture of people like Angana (whose body of work, attitude towards Indians in public meetings are all a matter of public record).

Ved Bhasin's inclinations are crystal clear from Bernard-Henri Levy's book.

Navalakha, on issues of Indian security, tends to come across as an acolyte of Hafeez Sayed. In any case - here goes some of the contents of the DNA article....
Dr Ghulam Nabi Fai, now identified as an “agent” of Pakistan and the ISI, steered through a “Washington Declaration” on July 25, 2010, which sought the right “of self determination” for Kashmiris.

The declaration was signed by three Indians who had been regulars at conferences that Fai used to organise using money from the ISI.

These three Indians are Prof Angana Chatterji, Gautam Navalakha and veteran journalist Ved Bhasin. Other prominent Indians who attended his conferences included the current interlocutor on Kashmir Dileep Padgaonkar and Justice Rajinder Sachar, former chief justice of the Delhi High Court.

For almost a decade Chatterji, a professor of social and cultural anthropology at the California Institute of Integral Studies, had worked tirelessly to build up a body of work that took a critical record of India’s human rights violations in Kashmir. Today, most of her work has been stigmatized by her association with Fai.

“Had I known that the ISI was in directing his actions, I would never have had anything to do with him,” she said. She had “assumed that if congresspersons and senators were willing to associate with him, he must be a legitimate lobbyist in Washington.”

While accepting funds upwards of $4 million from the mid-1990s from the ISI, Fai also sought instructions from Pakistani intelligence on whom to invite to his conferences. For instance, he sent an email to his ISI handler in Pakistan, Brig Javed Aziz Khan on June 18, 2008 asking him to clear names for a conference that year.

The FBI says Khan sent him “a list of Indian nationals for Fai to invite”. The Indians who attended the conference after their names were approved by the ISI, included Justice Sachar and Bhasin.
Chatterji and Gautam Navalakha became some of the regulars at these conferences along with writers like Victoria Schofield.

Chatterji, whose work on forced disappearances in Kashmir and the discovery of mass graves was an important part of the Kashmir discourse, feels betrayed. “It was embarrassingly bad judgment on hindsight,” Chatterji said, adding that she found “the news of Dr. Fai’s alleged actions on behalf of the ISI to be highly disturbing and disillusioning.”

Navalakha had a similar reaction. “All this is post-factor. At that time none of us knew about his linkages and even now I would like to see some hard evidence.”
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From Fear grips Sikhs after they get threats to leave Kashmir valley
Panic has gripped the Sikh community in Kashmir after the anonymous threatening letters were circulated in Rawalpora village of Kupwara district asking the Sikhs to leave the valley within five days.

The letters were circulated after a Sikh girl was selected as teacher under Rehbar-e-Taleem scheme in the village which had irked some people leading to the tension in the area.

“The girl was selected on merit but some people of the majority community were not happy. Later five letters were dropped at five households asking Sikhs to leave the valley within five days. It created a panic among the community at large since Jammu and Kashmir is a very sensitive state”, said Jagmohan Singh Raina, president All Parties Sikh Coordination Committee
From last year we also remember the following incident of attempted forced conversion...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Hair-cut- ... 79646.aspx
Some unidentified persons allegedly beat up and chopped off the hair of a Sikh youth, Mithunpal Singh, a resident of Tral in Pulwama district, about 160 km from here. Deputy inspector General of Police in south Kashmir, Shafaqat Watali, said, “Some youth asked him to raise pro-freedom slogans. He obliged. But when they asked him to recite kalma (Islamic prayer), he resisted. They beat him and some of his hair was chopped off.”
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THE FORUM OF DEMOCRATIC LEADERS IN THE ASIA-PACIFIC
CO-PRESIDENTS Corazon Aquino Sonia Gandhi Kim Dae-jung Oscar Arias Sanchez

This organization pro secession in Kashmir.

http://nancho.net/fdlap/
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sum wrote:
"We have given them sweets and fruits on their Independence Day yesterday during a flag meeting. But they have returned the gesture with bullets today on our Independence Day,"
Need to get this statement to repeat a 1000 times in a tape to MMS and all other WKKs.
It was our income tax money that paid for the bloody sweets. :evil:

What's wrong with our guys, same drama every Independance Day?

Will they never learn??
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Anindya wrote:From Fear grips Sikhs after they get threats to leave Kashmir valley
Panic has gripped the Sikh community in Kashmir after the anonymous threatening letters were circulated in Rawalpora village of Kupwara district asking the Sikhs to leave the valley within five days.

The letters were circulated after a Sikh girl was selected as teacher under Rehbar-e-Taleem scheme in the village which had irked some people leading to the tension in the area.

“The girl was selected on merit but some people of the majority community were not happy. Later five letters were dropped at five households asking Sikhs to leave the valley within five days. It created a panic among the community at large since Jammu and Kashmir is a very sensitive state”, said Jagmohan Singh Raina, president All Parties Sikh Coordination Committee
From last year we also remember the following incident of attempted forced conversion...

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Hair-cut- ... 79646.aspx
Some unidentified persons allegedly beat up and chopped off the hair of a Sikh youth, Mithunpal Singh, a resident of Tral in Pulwama district, about 160 km from here. Deputy inspector General of Police in south Kashmir, Shafaqat Watali, said, “Some youth asked him to raise pro-freedom slogans. He obliged. But when they asked him to recite kalma (Islamic prayer), he resisted. They beat him and some of his hair was chopped off.”
And what our beloved PM is doing. He is working for the upliftment of Pakis including the strengthening of the Pak ISI and the military of Pakistan.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 617604.cms
NEW DELHI: The Prime Minister yet again made a personal intervention to extend a significant unilateral concession to Pakistan, just a few days ahead of Independence Day.

Senior sources said PM Manmohan Singh has ordered officials to withdraw India's official opposition at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) to a concessional trade package offered by the European Union to Pakistan.

:evil: :cry:
I think it's time for MMS to step down or ask for his resignation so that the Hara Kiri of the Indian nation be stopped.
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uddu wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 617604.cms
NEW DELHI: The Prime Minister yet again made a personal intervention to extend a significant unilateral concession to Pakistan, just a few days ahead of Independence Day.

Senior sources said PM Manmohan Singh has ordered officials to withdraw India's official opposition at the World Trade Organisation (WTO) to a concessional trade package offered by the European Union to Pakistan.

:evil: :cry:
I think it's time for MMS to step down or ask for his resignation so that the Hara Kiri of the Indian nation be stopped.

Hina Khar delivered. :wink:

Doddering old men onlee
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Seems like Senator John Mc Cain is in srinagar today, afternoon, to meet with Omar Abdullah! Media silent. Any idea?
http://kashmirwatch.com/news.php/2011/0 ... shmir.html
http://a.yfrog.com/img619/1351/anwxl.jpg
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US considers funding Pakistani dam project, angering India

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/16/2 ... z1VFkDNILt
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justice foundation
this is a pro paki kashmir website based in ukstan.
this has --
The Round Table Working Group on Kashmir

John Cushnahan Chairman Ireland
Nazir A Shawl Executive Director JFKC GB
Ed Garcia International Alert GB
Andy Carl Conciliation Resources GB

Harsh Mander Centre for Equity Studies India

Brian Cox International Centre for
Religion and Diplomacy USA
Brendan McAllister Mediation Northern Ireland NI
Ian White Glencree Ireland
Michael Hammer One World Trust GB

Martin Salter MP Member of Parliament GB
Mushahid Syed Pakistan Senate Pakistan
Zulfiqar Ali Councillor and JP GB

Zafar Khan Metropolitan University GB

Tahir Aziz Conciliation Resources GB
UK MPs had links with ISI-funded think-tank
India has protested against the British 'All-Party Parliamentary Group on Kashmir' being hand-in-glove with Justice Foundation, one of the three think-tanks funded by Pakistan's ISI along with Ghulam Nabi Fai's Kashmir American Council. The third one is in Brussels.
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^ So India is taking advantage of Unkil's declaration of Fai as an ISI agent. Use it as a stick to beat UKstan.
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>>India has protested against the British 'All-Party Parliamentary Group on Kashmir' being hand-in-glove with Justice Foundation, one of the three think-tanks funded by Pakistan's ISI along with Ghulam Nabi Fai's Kashmir American Council

This is a bit rich. Now UK is going to protest that India has appointed regular attendees to Fai's conferences as its interlocutors in J&K, a disputed territory, although it knew for some time that Fai was ISI guided. (Of course, I'm being sarcastic because they can't really do that, but our position is increasingly looking ridiculous on this issue).
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krisna wrote:
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UK MPs had links with ISI-funded think-tank
India has protested against the British 'All-Party Parliamentary Group on Kashmir' being hand-in-glove with Justice Foundation, one of the three think-tanks funded by Pakistan's ISI along with Ghulam Nabi Fai's Kashmir American Council. The third one is in Brussels.

The Brussels one is the ione fronted by Tramboo. This foundation sponsored Radha Kumar's trips.

So Dilip Padgoankar, Radha Kumar, Harsh Mander, Angana Chatterjee, Victoria Schofield are all folks partaking of ISI funds.

Fai arrrest is a gold mine for the whole Cashmere chatterati have been revealed to be partaking ISI's cash!

No amount of shouting from roof tops by Indians would have made all these folks reveal their nexus.
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ramana wrote: No amount of shouting from roof tops by Indians would have made all these folks reveal their nexus.
To me this is the saddest part of the whole Fai arrest aftermath. I mean the amount of credibility US enjoys, while anything India says is dimissed out of hand. ISI role in fometing terror was dismiised by the west as "Indian conspiracy theories", but now that US is veering around to that, there is acceptance of that claim. How does India milk US turn around for all its worth, but yet not inadvertently establish US actions and statements alone as the final arbiter. Tomorrow, if it deems to be in its interests, US may issue some other revelation that may not be palatable to India.
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Isn't this visit hugely "significant", or am I over-reacting? Isn't this visit making it loud and clear to the "outside world" that as far as the US is concerned, India is the legitimate power in J&K, and that the elected CM of J&K is the legitimate representative of its people i.e. the US has accepted and endorsed India's position on J&K.
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No. Its meddling in Cashmere. See the history from Adali Stevenson onwards. Defeated candidates pick on Cashmere to position themselves for US elections/games whatnot.
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>>To me this is the saddest part of the whole Fai arrest aftermath. I mean the amount of credibility US enjoys, while anything India says is dimissed out of hand. ISI role in fometing terror was dismiised by the west as "Indian conspiracy theories", but now that US is veering around to that, there is acceptance of that claim.

Not sure what is sad about this... The US is making the claim and its media is accepting the claim. In the case of India, even if it did make the claim about Fai, which it didn't, it would have been ignored by the Western media (or ridiculed) and probably castigated by the Indian media (or supported by some). It is par for the course for Western media to generally support American/British positions in this regard and ignore just about everybody else, or excoriate them.

When we are powerful enough, more will toe the line. We are not powerful enough at the moment.
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ramana wrote:No. Its meddling in Cashmere. See the hsitory from Adali Stevenson onwards. Defeated candidates pick on Cashmere to position themselves for US elections/games whatnot.
McCain came by IAF aircraft, from Ladakh (another part of J&K), and met the CM of J&K and GOC 15 Corp: I interpret that as a show of support.

No worries, we can differ on our interpretations. :)
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