Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Narad wrote:
abhischekcc wrote:]
So pakis took KSA money for protecting the man who was allegedly the most anti KSA-monarchy?
Why is it necessary to believe that the saudi money that is being talked about is actually, saudi governments money? I do not suspect the monarchy here.

I believe that the wealthy saudi patrons of wahabi islam must have been funding the pakdullahs to keep Osamaji in good spirit and humour.
Narad, KSA monarchy has 100% ability to make life miserable for any Saudi citizen found cavorating with anybody they do not like. This goes double for rich families. Which means that the families funding OBL would: a. find itself dispossesed of its wealth pretty fast, b. find itself dispossesed of its life very fast, c. both.

So even if Saudi NGOs/families were funding OBL, KSA knew about it.

Do you know that even after 9/11, OBL's mother talked to him everyday (read The Bin Ladens by Steve Collins). When US investigators came to know of it, they asked for access to her, but were vehemently stopped by Saudi authorities. It came to such a head that the American heading that task force suggested that KSA be declared a hostile entity. IIRC, et al.
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X-posting from the Baluchistan thread:

Leading 2-page story on Asia Times today:

Balochistan caught in spiral of violence
A report by Human Rights Watch on resource-rich Balochistan province says "the Pakistani security services are brazenly disappearing, torturing and often killing people because of suspected ties to the Baloch nationalist movement". In response, Balochis are targeting Shi'ites and Punjabis. The violence is escalating into all-out war, recreating the situation in 1970-1971 that culminated in the birth of Bangladesh.
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Duplicity, thy name is pa'astan! Govt in touch with UK on safety of Pakistanis
Foreign Office on Thursday said there is close contact and constant interaction with Pakistan’s High Commission in London and its Consulate in Birmingham, to ensure security of Pakistanis living in United Kingdom following the riots in which three Pakistani origins British nationals were killed last night.
Pakistan’s Consul General in Birmingham visited the bereaved families and offered condolences and Pakistan High Commission in London is in constant touch with its Consul Generals in Birmingham, Bradford, Manchester and Glasgow and also community leaders.


So, when paki-islamists in UKistan blow up buses and kill scores, they are UK citizens (and not pakis). When three die in the recent riots, the pakis in pakiland officialdom wake up and rant and rave about their safety because they were of paki origin. Yeah right!!
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Of lately, I am seeing tabloid-like language (with liberal use of swear words and all) being used on BRF and it bothers me. Is it just me or are we now seeing a paradigm shift in the quality of discussions that we used to have years ago? Perhaps I am getting too old.
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Guys please keep anupji's admonition and stop using tabloid or offcolor language.

And that includes you nvishal!

Thanks, ramana
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@ramana @anupmisra
There's worse that can happen. Like conspiracy theories put down by some senior BRF moderators attracting and distracting the sheeps. I agree, no offcolor words.
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Suppiah wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... n.bombing/

Looking at the pic, it is clear they have put in steel balls/nails in the bum to bring jannat to a few more pakbarics.

Bunnies are losing their magic, why do they need 3 soosai's to purify 6?
The UK’s Telegarph is reporting that the demonstrator of this particular act of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramzan / Ramadan was not only female but also garbed in an appropriately Mohammadden manner in a Burka / Burqa:

Burka-clad female suicide bomber detonates in Pakistan

Two questions:

Do females who blow themselves up in religious inspired jihadi Islamic martyrdom missions get the male equivalent of 72 houris?

Is there a bonus on houris or their male equivalent for those who blow themselves up in religious inspired jihadi Islamic martyrdom missions during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramzan as in this case?
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arun wrote:
Suppiah wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/0 ... n.bombing/

Looking at the pic, it is clear they have put in steel balls/nails in the bum to bring jannat to a few more pakbarics.

Bunnies are losing their magic, why do they need 3 soosai's to purify 6?
The UK’s Telegarph is reporting that the demonstrator of this particular act of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramzan / Ramadan was not only female but also garbed in an appropriately Mohammadden manner in a Burka / Burqa:

Burka-clad female suicide bomber detonates in Pakistan

Two questions:

Do females who blow themselves up in religious inspired jihadi Islamic martyrdom missions get the male equivalent of 72 houris?

Is there a bonus on houris or their male equivalent for those who blow themselves up in religious inspired jihadi Islamic martyrdom missions during the Mohammadden holy month of Ramadan / Ramzan as in this case?
As far as I know there is no mention of that. must be to avenge the death of male relative.
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^ Or Rape Victims....

Woman Set Up Suicide Bomber Rapes
Iraq - 2009

A woman suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organising their rapes so she could later convince them martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame.
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^^^ +1 :-? No mention of what? The answers to my question?
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arun wrote:^^^ +1 :-? No mention of what? The answers to my question?
To your houri question
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Indians on the Net are all praise for the paki Pilot. We as a nation will be willing to forgive everyone Like maoists ULFA, Paki Soldiers and Paki Terrorists. We will only want to convict Narendra Modi.
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^^^ There is a lot of support for Modi too. Only anti modi comments I saw were from madarssa people , EJ's or can-gress stooges.
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Pakistan, self-anointed Islamic Republic, Citadel of Islam and Worlds First IEDological Muslim State deports fellow adherents of the Mohammadden religion to be persecuted by Kaafirs during the holy month of Ramzan / Ramadan.

The Punjabi Military dominated “Deep State” of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan certainly seems to think nothing of paying off Kaafirs in the coin of fellow Mohammaddens, even women and children, when it comes to meeting their Geo-Strategic needs:
Pakistan Deports Uyghurs

2011-08-10

Five Uyghurs have been sent back to China, where they face punishment.

Pakistani authorities have deported five ethnic Uyghurs to China’s northwestern Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region where they may face persecution on their return, according to the head of a Uyghur exile group.

“According to the information we received, all five were Uyghurs,” said Omer Khan, the founder of the Omer Uyghur Foundation in the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.

They were believed to have been forcibly repatriated this week to Xinjiang, where Uyghurs say they have long suffered ethnic discrimination, oppressive religious controls, and continued poverty and joblessness.

“The deportation of Uyghurs is happening a lot these days [in Pakistan], but this is one of the rare cases which has been exposed to the media,” Omer Khan said.

On Tuesday, the Pakistani newspaper Dawn reported that five “Chinese citizens” had been arrested in different parts of the country and deported on Monday.

The report claimed that the group, which included two children and a woman …………………………..

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Imran khan, talking about Pakistans Generals
"Tussi vee hazaar log sarkaan te kad deo te Generals da pishaap nikal jave gaa." - Imran Khan

Translates to, "the Generals are cowards, they'll pee in their pants if 20,000 ppl come out on the streets" .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMWXRXUJ ... re=related
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BANGALORE,Kerala :rotfl:
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From The News - Editorial piece (posting in full)

Further divisions
Thursday, August 11, 2011
As feared, talk of creating new provinces seems to have given rise to a host of new demands. Increasing numbers of people are advocating division of larger units into smaller ones, essentially along ethno-lingual lines. The latest suggestion to this effect has come from ANP Provincial President Afrasiab Khattak at a meeting in Peshawar. He has proposed that a Pashtun province be carved out of Balochistan as a means to unite all Pashtuns. Anyone remotely aware of the issue of nationalism in Balochistan and the tensions that persist between the Baloch and ‘others’ in the province would be able to imagine the issues this could give rise to. The last thing we need is more trouble in Balochistan – and it has to be said, we expect greater wisdom from a veteran political activist such as Khattak. The whole matter of redivision appears to be spiralling out of control. It is questionable whether the creation of a large number of smaller provinces would solve any problems at all. Indeed, the opposite could happen. As some have noted, creating provinces on the basis of language is not necessarily a sound step. It may lend credence to the idea that people who are different cannot coexist. {Is the editor challenging the identity and TNT - theory behind creation of Pakistan? Only a Paki intellectual can be this dishonest.} Given the ethnic, linguistic and religious diversity that characterises Pakistan’s population, this entire concept is exceedingly dangerous.

We would like to believe that we live in a civilised age, when minor matters of ethnicity, caste, or race do not matter in the national scheme of things. The idea surely should be to bring people together rather than divide them into ever smaller groups. If this happens, it is perfectly possible that new demands for further separate units will continue to be made. It is true that Balochistan has a sizeable Pashtun population – the ANP holds two seats in the provincial assembly while the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party and the JUI-F, both of whom mainly represent Pashtuns, hold a few more. Khattak has rationalised that all Pashtuns need to be united. We must ask why. Numerous Pashtuns, Punjabis and Baloch live in Karachi, and a significant number of people of Pakistani origin live around the world. In this day and age, success lies in people learning to live together, not in separating from one another. We must therefore encourage an acceptance of diversity and, with it, tolerance.
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Pioneer reports:
NEWS | Thursday, August 11, 2011 | Email | Print | | Back


'No bitterness or hatred', IAF man's daughter to Pakistani pilot

August 11, 2011 8:56:26 PM

IANS | New Delhi

In a profoundly humane gesture, the daughter of an Indian Air Force (IAF) pilot has accepted an apology from the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) combat pilot who shot down her father's civilian aircraft during the 1965 war, :?: and told him that she and her family bore him no bitterness or hatred.

Jahangir Engineer of the IAF was piloting the then Gujarat chief minister Balwantrai Mehta on the state government-owned Beechcraft plane, which was mistaken for a military aircraft by the PAF and shot down. Qais Hussain, then Flying Officer of the PAF, was deputed for the task.


{No mention of pilot ex-IAF Jahangir Engineer indicating his wish to surrender}

Engineer and eight others, including Balwantrai Mehta, on board the plane were killed in the incident.

"Yes, this was the one incident which defined our lives thenceforth. But in all the struggles that followed, we never, not for one moment, bore bitterness or hatred for the person who actually pulled the trigger and caused my father's death," Engineer's daughter Farida Singh wrote in a mail to Hussain, who apologised to her 46 years after the incident in a mail earlier this week.

"The fact that this all happened in the confusion of a tragic war was never lost to us. We are all pawns in this terrible game of war and peace," Farida Singh said in her reply, accepting Hussain's apology.

Admitting that she was "somewhat overwhelmed" at receiving the apology letter from Hussain, she said she was expecting it. The PAF pilot's Indian contact, Jagan Pillarisetti, was in touch with her in the recent times.

If you read the account of it in Pak papers it was his buddies who released the e-mail to the newspapers in Pak. Most likely to even the score due to AM Rathore's apology to a Pak pilot family.}

"It took courage for you to write this. And for me, too, (I say this humbly) it takes the same to write back," she said in the mail that was full of warmth.

Farida Singh describes her father as "courage and grace at their finest", "an ace pilot", "a great leader of men", "a willing team player", who was "strong in both mind and spirit."

"This would have been just the view of an adoring daughter, had it not been reflected by all those fortunate enough to know him," she pointed out, adding that Engineer, most of all, was the "generosity of spirit" and had "intuitive understanding of the pain of others."

Thanking Hussain for his gesture, Farida Singh also expressed surprise over his apology having found its way into the media, but she ended her mail saying she was "glad" it did, "as it can do nothing but heal wounds".

"And most of all, my father would have liked that it goes towards bringing a spark of forgiveness between our two peoples, who after all were one."

The 70-yer-old Hussain, now a Lahore resident, wrote in his apology Aug 5 that he had shot down the Beechcraft after it showed up on the Pakistani radar, having drifted many miles away from the Indian coast and going up and down over the borders of Rann of Kutch.

"Nonetheless, the unfortunate part in all this is that I had to execute the orders of my controller. Mrs Singh, I have chosen to go into this detail to tell you that it all happened in the line of duty and it was not governed by the concept that 'everything is fair in love and war,' the way it has been portrayed by the Indian media due to lack of information," he had said. :(( :(( :((

"I did not play foul and went by the rules of business but the unfortunate loss of precious lives, no matter how it happens, hurts each human and I am no exception. I feel sorry for you, your family and the other seven families who lost their dearest ones. I feel greatly grieved that you lost your brother Noshir recently," he added.


{Mr. Hussain, did the rules of war allow you to shoot a plane which clearly indicated a desire to surrender and which by your own account looked like it was astray and had wandered over to your side of the border by your own accont? How do you invoke the rules of war and take refuge in that for a dastardly act. The Nazis who killed the Jews in WWI also followed orders and Nurmeberg court declared that was not good enough excuse. BTW Nurmeberg rules are part of Geneva Convention to which your country signed? You had the option as the only officer at the place to allow the pilot to land yet you chose to shoot him down after he climbed high to show vulnerablity (easy for you to shoot down) and wagged his wings indicating surrender.}


{BTW I admire the courage of young Pak army officer (Junaid Khan?) who died in Jessore fighting against all odds. Thats real courage.}

Hussian also noted that if an opportunity ever arose that he could meet Farida Singh to condole the death of her father, he would grab it with both his hands.

"I would highly appreciate if you please convey my feelings to the other members of your family, who were equally hurt by the untimely departure of Jungoo to the next world. I hope and pray that you and your family stay well. My best regards... (Hussain) Qais," his mail read.
BTW here is rest of his interview to a Pak paper:

Asia Dispatch

PAF flight officer details a 46 year old misconduct

Atleast they got the title right.

Qais Hussain wrote the email with the want to tell all that happened that day. In an exclusive interview with Asia Despatch, he said it all to clarify his motive and reason to do so.

“Basically it all started with a report or a story that was by Qaiser Tufail, who had been to India, he was an air commodore, and a very good friend of mine. When he went to India there Air Marshal Rathore, who had shot down one of our officers, rather one of our icons, Sarfaraz Rafique, so he wanted to meet Qaiser and condole and send a message through him, to the family of Rafique, feeling sorry about Rafique being shot down by him.”

“So when Qaiser came back and wrote down his safarnama kind of thing, in that he mentioned about this incident. Then in Feburary this year Qaiser did a write up on me where he interviewed me, basically regarding this incident that took place in 1965. While he did that he had to get a lot of material on it from India; what appeared in the press, what the government of India had gotten from the inquiry. He passed on those details to me also, and when I saw those I was totally shocked. As it was totally in variance with what actually had happened. So I decided that I would clear my name, the name of the service which is the PAF, and my country. However, I did not what to go in the hype of Indo-Pak as to what happened, where and why pilot writes, it was nothing of the sort.”

“I was wanting to find out some relatives, some living relatives, of those people who were at that time killed in that crash. So in that as luck would have it I got a contact to the daughter of Jehangir Engineer, known as Jhungoo Engineer, and she also consented that she would want to hear from me. So, basically my motivation was, that I should clarify and tell these families what actually happened on that day on that site. It wasn’t that we were trigger happy, or barbaric sort of people who just went ahead and shot down people who were unarmed. He just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, and there’s a background to it. The background is that he was near the Katch border, the Rann of Katch, where he was roaming up and down, he was lost basically and he didn’t know where to go. And if you remember in April 1965 over the Rann of Katch area there was a lot of confrontation between the two countries and the forces, rather we were almost there.”

“So what happened when this guy kept on going up and down, we thought he was trying to take pictures of the Rann of Katch border where they could get a new front, because up north they were getting beaten like crazy by the airforce, so with that thing in mind we could not take a chance. And then when they scrambled me I went and caught him up when he was at 3000 feet, I went very close to him and read his number it was something like Victor Tango 12 something I forget the third or fourth digit. After that I went up and reported that look I have a transport aircraft infront of me, and it is 8 seater, and has a twin tale and twin engine, I couldn’t recognize the aircraft to be very honest, I thought, India was flying a similar aircraft, but I was under no mistake that it was a military aircraft. Because I could see the number Victor Tango, which is only on a civil aircraft registration, and not on the military aircraft so I knew that. And the controller said stand by and after about 4-5 minutes he comes up and says shoot him.”

“So I got behind him I gave him a burst, I saw a splinter fly off his right wing then I came back and gave him a longer burst, in the second burst I saw his left wing on fire, and he started going down vertically, and he went down and crashed as he was out of control. That is how it happened and you see, as you talk about 46 years, again after the war everything was forgotten. And was taken as part of life and the fighter pilots were suppose to do all this. I was on duty, I was under no mental pressure that I had done this. It happens you know even a friendly fire takes place, but when Qaiser did this and he came up with the whole thing, so then I decided that I must write to the families and explain, what actually happened that day, and at the same time at the end of the message I should also do a condolence which is due to a human from another human.”

“So it was basically a thoughtfulness from my part, but I have seen in the Indian media today, like the Indian Express, and a couple of calls I got where they say this apology, well, clearly It was not an apology. :mrgreen: It was purely a thoughtfulness on my part to tell the families, what actually happened no more, no less. Yesterday morning, it appeared in the press, well I don’t get news till quite late in Murree, where it come around 10:30 to 11:00. So my wife calls me up from Lahore at around 08:00 in the morning, and says you’re in the bloody newspaper. And I said what, where she asked if I had written any letter. I told her yes I had and was going to tell you when I come and show it to you, to tell you what I had done. I never knew it’ll blow up in the press and you’ll come to know from there. So that’s how it happened. And after Beena’s article this thing just blew up, in the Aman ki Asha that they have, which is a good program I must say. And I support that program, I truly do and I think theyre making a lot of effort. And I’m glad this gesture of mine, this email of mine has helped on both sides, India and Pakistan, it has gone a long way instead of just trying to get the validity, and the credentials of this Aman ki Asha’s program.”
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^^^^ Continuing the theme. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the vile TSP.
From The News - Opinion piece (posting in full)

Creating more provinces?
Ikram Sehgal
Thursday, August 11, 2011

If people’s rights are denied at the grassroots level by centralisation and the need of people’s meaningful participation is ignored, the political process creates parochial regional schisms. This leads to deprivation and alienation of the smaller constituent units. The process of alienation is particularly acute in countries with disparate social, linguistic and local affinities, such as Pakistan. Unscrupulous local politicians having no hope of national recognition tend to exploit the situation, further exacerbating prevailing tensions for their own petty individual interests. Unfortunately, good leaders who have emerged have become prisoners of the system and been unable to buck the trend.

To quote my article, “Making the federation effective,” about the creation of more provinces (Nov 27, 1999), “the major reason why the finest experiment in nationhood in its time turned into a disaster was that the people of East Pakistan felt ignored and disparaged. A feeling of isolation (‘the defence of the East is in the West’) during the 1965 war, along with economic and political disparities and discrimination, perceived as well as real, became the bedrock for separatism.

“When partners in any venture feel they are being short-changed and their counterparts are insensitive to their needs, the process of dissolution of the union starts. While economic reasons did contribute heavily, four decades since 1971 inter-provincial disharmony in the remaining part of Pakistan has assumed crisis proportions. The major partner often blames the others for a lack of ‘patriotism’, ‘the last refuge of a scoundrel’, (to quote Samuel Johnson).”

Democracy is meant to flow upwards from the populace. The ultimate irony is that Musharraf’s military regime, which by nature of its existence meant “centralisation”, devolved power to the people while today’s “democratic” system wants to concentrate power in a few hands. Our “democrats” want it to permeate only partially downwards, coming to a dead stop at the chief ministers’ level, giving him, after the 18th Amendment, the status of that of a viceroy’s during British rule, the “king” in this case being the president of Pakistan in Islamabad. Only a moron would be unable to understand why. The commissionerate system, taking away power from the stakeholders at the grassroots level, has stoked the demand for more provinces.

The Presidency played politics by creating commissionerates and trying to deny the right of local rule in Karachi and Hyderabad and the other major urban areas of Sindh. The PPP spokespersons gushed on primetime TV about the advent of a “new era”. There were widespread “celebrations”, all paid for by public money, of course. Pragmatic politics, coloured by the blood of innocents in Karachi, ultimately prevailed and the commissionerates were revoked through an ordinance, but only for Karachi and Hyderabad. This effectively left two systems of administration in the province. Unfortunately, the genie of the division of Sindh then came out of the bottle unexpectedly. Confronted by the enraged reaction from its own rank and file, the PPP hierarchy furiously back-paddled and restored the local governments system throughout Sindh. For the first time since he engineered the takeover of the PPP on the strength of Ms Benazir Bhutto’s will, Asif Zardari learnt a lesson in Realpolitik, that money cannot buy everything. Or has he?

With 60 percent of the population of Pakistan, Punjab is accused by the smaller provinces of domination. For the most part the masses in Punjab suffer the same deprivation and discrimination as anyone else in Pakistan. With administrative power concentrated in Lahore, the province has become unwieldy. Urban growth is much more pronounced there than rural development, leaving agriculture, the backbone of our agriculture-based economy, relatively neglected. The same home truth is largely ignored in the other provinces. The four provinces of Pakistan are too large to administer, either in terms of population or of area. Decisions or problems of even the smallest nature are invariably referred to Islamabad. The divide between federal cadres (the District Management Group – DMG) and the Provincial Civil Service (PCS), and similarly in the Police Services, further contributes to bad governance.

The PPP government has set the ball rolling for a Seraiki Province. Bahawalpur is holding out for the status of a separate province, on the basis of the status it enjoyed before the imposition of One Unit in 1954. Hazara, having its own distinct identity, claims to be a separate province in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. Would it not be crass politics to confine the principle of “good governance” to Punjab or Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa alone? If indeed people’s good is of paramount interest to our rulers, should we not apply the same principles to Sindh and Balochistan? What effect will it have on the unity of the federation if this is not done?

Maj Gen (r) Masood Burki’s “Blueprint for Viable and Stable Pakistan” written in the mid-1990s should be examined in depth before any decision to the unity of the Federation is taken, lest the decision proves to be counterproductive. Gen Burki studied countries populated like Pakistan, with diverse people having different languages and cultures – e.g., Switzerland, Belgium, India and Nigeria. Switzerland has German, French, Italian and Romansch as its national languages. Ethnic Germans (70 percent of the population) dominate Switzerland (like Punjab does in Pakistan). Switzerland is divided into 26 self-governing (and quite independent) cantons. In 1947, India had seven provinces and a few Union-administered territories despite the country having 24 distinct languages. For better administration and to ease ethnic diversity, 15 more provinces were created in India by 1999, and the Union territories increased to nine. India recently created more provinces and may create even more. Nigeria, which went through a civil war in the 1960s, went from three regions to seven states to 19 states before a semblance of unity and cohesion could be achieved.

Gen Burki recommended 17 provinces in a reasonable balance between populations and area sizes. In the light of socio-political changes in Pakistan since 1999 and on the premise that there will be no right of secession, the National Assembly taking over any provincial government if it feels the country’s sovereignty is endangered. The number of administrative units could be increased. Punjab could have been divided into four provinces, Potohar (Rawalpindi), Punjab (Lahore), Seraiki (Multan), and Bahawalpur. Similarly Sindh should also have four, with Karachi (minus the port and adjacent areas), Hyderabad and Upper Sindh and south-eastern Sindh). Similarly Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa needs such entities: Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (Peshawar), Hazara (Abbottabad), the Federal Administered Tribal Areas and Provincially Administered Tribal Areas (Fata and Pata). Balochistan should have four administrative units, Quetta-Kalat, the Hazara (mainly Pakhtun) area north of Quetta, the Marri-Bugti areas along with the Pat Feeder area (with headquarters at Sibi) and Mekran Coast (Pasni). The Northern Areas (Gilgit-Baltistan) already constitute a separate entity. All these take the number to 17. The Federal Administered Territories should include Islamabad and Port Qasim. Even our smallest province will be larger than scores of countries of the world. The administrative head must be an elected representative, not a bureaucrat. While the preparation of the plan piecemeal would be counter-productive, implementation, on the other hand must be carried out in stages, on a graduated scale.

If disparities, real and/or perceived, are done away with through the creation of more provinces, and a feeling of being genuine and equal partners is created in the populations of the new provinces, the change will make the federation much more effective and viable. To quote Gen Burki, “we need unity through the will of the people, where people feel secure and do not nurture fears of domination” of one ethnic group by another.

The writer is a defence and political analyst. Email: isehgal@pathfinder9. com
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Mahendra wrote:BANGALORE,Kerala :rotfl:
well spotted :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
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Aditya_V wrote:Indians on the Net are all praise for the paki Pilot. We as a nation will be willing to forgive everyone Like maoists ULFA, Paki Soldiers and Paki Terrorists. We will only want to convict Narendra Modi.
Its a manifestation of a larger malaise: we lick those kick us while we kick those who lick us.

Recall, we on BR, me included have shown quite a bit of empathy for Rupin Katyal (I doubt average Indian cares two hoots or even has heard of him) who was slaughtered by Pakis during IC 814 hijack. Now, as much as Indian govt can be faulted for the entire saga from letting the plan fly off Amritsar to dork media to Vajpayee & Co caving in to the emotional pressure, surely they are no worse than Billy "BJ" Clinton who refused to even acknowledge TSP role, much less declare that a terrorist act. His support for TSP was as is despite his much hyped visit to India dancing with rural Rajasthani women. And for some good PR measure he visited the kith & kin of Rupin Katyal who at that time were so profuse in their respect and thankful for a gora Sahib to visit them, either oblivious or apathetic to his lack of denunciation of TSP; but in the same breath were full of anger and contempt for Indian govt.
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CRS, Read my post. Its clear the Paki pilot never intended what the message finally became. I quote his own words and provide link.
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JE Menon wrote:Great stuff Nvishal. I have the book. It is permanently accessible and multiple-bookmarked. Spread your link around.

Pakistan is not a "normal" adversary. This one must not just be crushed, but it must be converted. Only that will be true and ultimate victory.
Can we have a proper URL link for this and a proper file name so that this can be spread widely using social media marketing and blasts. I have a team for social media marketing and we are developing tools to reach wide audience for any products or books or files.
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http://www.weeklypulse.org/details.aspx ... orylist=10
Paki analysis
Indian strategic thinking: a reflection of Kautilya’s six-fold policy
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By Masood.Ur.Rehman Khattak
January 28, 2011

It is necessary for Pakistan to monitor the Indian strategic thinking and its military development and come up with adequate response. Pakistan is a democratic country with effectual military force. Its military and political leadership can play a viable role to allay threats to the national security. The political leadership must show a clear direction to the Pakistan armed forces. The political parties of the country must support the ruling government and military in any crisis situation. National Command Authority – NCA – is a place where military and political leadership can sit together on issues related to extreme national security. Frequent meetings of NCA can enhance the mutual cooperation between political and military leadership. These meetings can fill the gap between civil military relations and pave the way for a collective politico-military response to any threat from India. Better coordination and understanding between military and political leadership can help Pakistan to overcome its internal and external security threats.
Chankaya Kautilya was an Indian political strategic thinker around 300 BCE. His book Arthaashastra is on war and diplomacy. His book is still being analyzed and discussed in the strategic community. Kautilya was the main advisor of the king Chandragupta, in his rule the biggest Hindu empire came into being. Kautilya’s desire was for his king to conquer the world. Today’s Indian strategic thinking is also somehow a reflection of Kautilya’s six-fold policy. This article will discuss Kautilya’s six-fold policy and analyze it with modern India’s foreign and defence policy. Kautilya’s six fold policy components are 1)-Peace, 2)- War, 3)- Neutrality, 4)- Marching, 5)- Alliance, 6)- Double Policy.

1. Peace: “The only time a king will make peace is when he finds himself in relative decline compared to his enemy”. If we analyze this dictum then we will understand that after the 1962 humiliating defeat from China, India established peace with China, because it knew that it cannot win against China. This is a clear indication of the Kautilya's six-fold policy. India is still following Kautilya's policies to safeguard its interests and defeat its enemies.

2. War: “When a king is in a superior position compared to his enemy, he will attack and wage a war.” India has always tried to subdue Pakistan. It’s clear from its current military formation. Indian II-Corps, also known as the Strike Corps, plays a key role in times of conflict with Pakistan. The II Corps holds almost 50 per cent of the Indian strike capabilities and although based at Ambala it is responsible for guarding the border with Pakistan and mainly it is Pakistan-focused. India has tried to coerce Pakistan many times in the past.
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Acharya wrote:http://www.weeklypulse.org/details.aspx ... orylist=10
Paki analysis
Indian strategic thinking: a reflection of Kautilya’s six-fold policy
Visits 611
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By Masood.Ur.Rehman Khattak
January 28, 2011

It is necessary for Pakistan to monitor the Indian strategic thinking and its military development and come up with adequate response. Pakistan is a democratic country with effectual military force. :rotfl: Its military and political leadership can play a viable role to allay threats to the national security. The political leadership must show a clear direction to the Pakistan armed forces. The political parties of the country must support the ruling government and military in any crisis situation. :rotfl: National Command Authority – NCA – is a place where military and political leadership can sit together on issues related to extreme national security. :rotfl: Frequent meetings of NCA can enhance the mutual cooperation between political and military leadership. These meetings can fill the gap between civil military relations and pave the way for a collective politico-military response to any threat from India. :mrgreen: Better coordination and understanding between military and political leadership can help Pakistan to overcome its internal and external security threats.

Chankaya Kautilya was an Indian political strategic thinker around 300 BCE. His book Arthaashastra is on war and diplomacy. His book is still being analyzed and discussed in the strategic community. Kautilya was the main advisor of the king Chandragupta, in his rule the biggest Hindu empire came into being. Kautilya’s desire was for his king to conquer the world. Today’s Indian strategic thinking is also somehow a reflection of Kautilya’s six-fold policy. This article will discuss Kautilya’s six-fold policy and analyze it with modern India’s foreign and defence policy. Kautilya’s six fold policy components are 1)-Peace, 2)- War, 3)- Neutrality, 4)- Marching, 5)- Alliance, 6)- Double Policy.

1. Peace: “The only time a king will make peace is when he finds himself in relative decline compared to his enemy”. If we analyze this dictum then we will understand that after the 1962 humiliating defeat from China, India established peace with China, because it knew that it cannot win against China. This is a clear indication of the Kautilya's six-fold policy. India is still following Kautilya's policies to safeguard its interests and defeat its enemies.

2. War: “When a king is in a superior position compared to his enemy, he will attack and wage a war.” India has always tried to subdue Pakistan. :rotfl: It’s clear from its current military formation. Indian II-Corps, also known as the Strike Corps, plays a key role in times of conflict with Pakistan. The II Corps holds almost 50 per cent of the Indian strike capabilities and although based at Ambala it is responsible for guarding the border with Pakistan and mainly it is Pakistan-focused. :(( India has tried to coerce Pakistan many times in the past.
Maybe as CBM he wants II corps to be moved to North East?

Too many places to put :rotfl: So gave up.
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ramana wrote:Guys please keep anupji's admonition and stop using tabloid or offcolor language.

And that includes you nvishal!

Thanks, ramana
Thank you Ramanaji.
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arun wrote:^^^ +1 :-? No mention of what? The answers to my question?
I was told that they too will get their 72. Probably true. Can Allah be partial to wimmens?
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@Ramana ^^^ "No bitterness or hatred', IAF man's daughter to Pakistani pilot"

"So it was basically a thoughtfulness from my part, but I have seen in the Indian media today, like the Indian Express, and a couple of calls I got where they say this apology, well, clearly It was not an apology."

Golden opportunity lost. Invite paki pilot to home for private chai biskoot. Shoot him and opine thoughtfulness about balancing books clearly not revenge. Instead we've got a JLN type who is devaluing her father's life.

We don't settle scores or run them up. We just like to field.

Really disappointing.
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Cosmo

as i had said in anotehr post earlier - this was just pure gazhi scum, who - even in his advanced age, got a rise out of telling the daughter of one of the men he slaughtered in cold blood, how the victim begged for mercy, but how the gazhi did not deviate from the true path, and relished his murder anyways.

I have tremendous respect for Jagan, but facilitating anything for the subhuman murderous scum across the border, especially anyone from their armed forces, even engaging them in anything other than to end their existance - is futile.
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aman ka tamasha
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Subodh The ghazi's true colors were not apparent till the e-mail got released. So take that into account. I wish SSridhar or someone can write a nice blog and compare his actions to ghazis of past.

Atleast Asia Dispatch was clear and called in misconduct.
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Water shortage in Swat
“We are forced to bring water from a distance of two kilometres daily. We leave after we break the fast and come back at 11pm. Carrying water containers to the top of a hill where we live is a huge problem for us,” said Arshad, a local resident.

The present government has pushed us 100 years back in history. We don’t have access to electricity, natural gas, roads and even water now. It seems as if we are living in the Stone Age. Is this the 21st century of Pakistan?” said Advocate Ikram, who was a part of the protest.

“The present government has failed to provide even the basic facilities of life to us. Only a revolution can get us rid of these corrupt politicians,” he added.
And hopefully the revolution will take them back to the pristine living conditions of the 7th century.
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WRT the Ghazi it would not surprise one to hear no such authorization was given by the controller. It is unlikely that only one aircraft was scrambled so why the need for the second pass. Far more likely, he ran into aircraft while over the border on patrol, he missed on the first approach and had to make sure there were no witnesses and pulled off the cold blooded murder on the second approach. Even then the plane was more or less under control according to Indian accounts and crashed before getting to the sea for an ocean landing.

Ghazi makes it appear how heroic he was, defeated Indian pilot, who begged for mercy but he shot him down any way despite grave risk to life. I'm sure he proudly displays that star to everyone.
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Mahendra wrote:BANGALORE,Kerala :rotfl:
Saar, which link does that occur in? The Imran Khan youtube video?? Someone has set that to private :( Someone, please explain.
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Its edited out now.
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Acharya wrote:aman ka tamasha
To quote a Poet
Kaanwa de putt Hans na bannde
Chahe sau man sabbun layeye ji.
( Litter of crow will remain crow and wont become Swan even if you wash them with 4000Kg of Soap.)
Qeeya Qaddo Tarbooj na bannde,
Chahe Sau man Khand roolayye ji.
( Tastless Pumkins wont turn into Sweet Watermelon by adding Sugar to it)
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^^^ No technical details at all? Tonage? Hieght? span?
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