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after some 50 years of her family rule there is no suitable hospital or doctors avalaible in India to treat her? Only gora hospitals with NRI doctors are suitable for our big leaders. Remember VP Singh wanted a south indian forward caste NRI doctor his operation. If our leaders themselves have no confidence in our doctors and hospitals what can we say.
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Any insights from the Telangana discussion in parliament?

Is it just discussion or was there voting as well.
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RamaY wrote:Any insights from the Telangana discussion in parliament?

Is it just discussion or was there voting as well.
Sushma Swaraj of BJP took one-sided line of Telangana. Less on facts more on sentiments, suicides, injustice to Telangana.
At the end she said put the bill BJP would support it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Njs4Nh7_I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze7LW9_Vyqo

Gurudas Gupta of CPI is pretty vague. Even though he said they are for Telangana, he didn't take outright side said we can't
ignore other side sentiments. So CPI is back to middle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA2yCNkxgBo

Chidu as HM said Parliament is only facilitator it is upto AP to take decision and come to consensus. He was washing his hands off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7K7SNfBKkM

Of course T MP went with T arguments with mostly buttering Sonia. While non-T MP said BJP took U-turn and didn't separate when they had chance. BJP is miniscule party in AP to qualify for judgement on T-issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYAdPPkcyo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=349gwG6CodQ
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ShyamSP garu, The T plot is mostly lost with alienation of sentimental T commoners. Irrespective of the reasoning they will feel cheated. This is the worst leadership show of the Telugus in more than a couple of generations. Till the end and even today it is still a game of chicken. Even today they do not want to say outrightly one way or other way. At the next election, I am sure someone will say they will give T in the first 100 days, others also will say something similar.

Added later:
you should find Kavuri Sambasiva Rao's reply to Sushma Swaraj yesterday and she has no answer.
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RamaY wrote:Any insights from the Telangana discussion in parliament?

Is it just discussion or was there voting as well.
In my opinion, by taking outright one-sided approach, BJP shot itself in the foot. It should forget next elections unless they get decent leaders and strategists from now on. All the AP money lobby will go against it. It also lost moral right as integrationists/Nationalist by projecting itself as sectarian basically siding with abusers of non-T people.

Congress looks like it goes neutral. It wants to keep BJP at bay in the South. Goal is to cut BJP to level without major swing even if Congress itself can't get to increase seats. It is comfortable with major party without majority.

As for T, non-T got big rope that unless they agree there won't be division. It is good for Congress to push this beyond 2014 and keeping both sides on tenterhooks.
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ShyamSP wrote: Congress looks like it goes neutral. It wants to keep BJP at bay in the South. Goal is to cut BJP to level without major swing even if Congress itself can't get to increase seats. It is comfortable with major party without majority.
This is useless for congress. If Congress does not revive in UP and loses AP then it is end of UPA. Though BJP may not get 150+, it will still get around 130 and in such a situation, it is widely speculated that Jaya will be PM with BJP's support. Modi is trying very hard to bring Raj Thakarey into picture. It could be a SS+RJ+Athavale in Maha. That could kill the congress there.
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Muppalla wrote:ShyamSP garu, The T plot is mostly lost with alienation of sentimental T commoners. Irrespective of the reasoning they will feel cheated. This is the worst leadership show of the Telugus in more than a couple of generations. Till the end and even today it is still a game of chicken. Even today they do not want to say outrightly one way or other way. At the next election, I am sure someone will say they will give T in the first 100 days, others also will say something similar.

Added later:
you should find Kavuri Sambasiva Rao's reply to Sushma Swaraj yesterday and she has no answer.
Muppala Garu,
In the noisy discussion I can't figure out. Which Question is that one that Sushma couldn't answer?


As for leadership, this issue was pushed and played by National parties so Telugu leaders themselves became puppets.

Despite all that I'm impressed by non-T Telugus wanting to keep unity and fighting democratically. They got truth on their
side reducing T-proponents to sentimental statements.

If things go like this National parties will slowly back out. Congress already did that. BJP will be warned and will start back away as it is not gaining any thing except brickbats. Even Kishan Reddy when he came to US and was sponsored by Telagana groups didn't not spell out any thing on Telangana in 1 hr public meeting. They know they can't push it beyond a point. Sushma's arguments are totally shallow if you compare to facts.
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ShyamSP wrote: Muppala Garu,
In the noisy discussion I can't figure out. Which Question is that one that Sushma couldn't answer?
He asked her why BJP did not initiate statehood for T during their rule if they are so aggressive on the issue. They were able to give three states and why not the fourth one at that time. In addition, he referred to Advani's written letter to T folks about why T is unnecessary when all the development is happening in T region.

Regarding Kishen Reddy, I attented the meet. He is very very cautious and he did not utter a word about T. In fact he talked more about China and CWG scam compared to AP issues. One of my staunch BJP friends from Bihar told me that there is no chance in hell or heaven that BJP will get even a half seat from AP with this kind of soft leaders. :)
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Telakapalli Ravi usually makes cogent analysis amid all the noise that politicians make in discussions. Here is his small blog on this subject.
http://telakapalliravi.blogspot.com/201 ... _2497.html


Here is discussion where he participated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkSgTGoSLNQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c88B_GFJqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8nUsc0-p7M
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So Sonia Gandhi is being looked after by a Telugu doctor.

Is he a pro-Telangana person or does he favour united AP? That should give some indication of where the wind is blowing.
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I understand his name is Nori Dattathreya or something like that and he seems to be east or west godavari dist. Hope KCR and his gang does not make an issue out of it. Already KCR is made a statement today that the life of Telangana yourth has same value as Sonia life. I dont know what is the matter in some some useless news items.
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Stan-ji,

This is for you. Yesterday PC made a statement in parliament saying that the Telangana issue has to be resolved by telugus only.

Then in what capacity and what intentions he made those dec 9th and 23rd statements, unless he has something to gain from it?

Please check Telugu media to know what it says about PC's intentions.
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Narayana Rao wrote:I understand his name is Nori Dattathreya or something like that and he seems to be east or west godavari dist. Hope KCR and his gang does not make an issue out of it. Already KCR is made a statement today that the life of Telangana yourth has same value as Sonia life. I dont know what is the matter in some some useless news items.

Dr. Nori Dattatreyudu was born in Krishna district, had his schooling at Machilipatnam, obtained his medical degree from Kurnool Medical College and did his Post Graduation from Osmania Medical College. So he is truly an Andhra Pradesh-ite, if there is such a thing.
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"chidambaram ane sannasivi dikkumalina matalu" said Mahatma KCR per Sakshi paper.
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KCR might have well said that. he has a reputation of running his mouth whichever way he wants to.

on a side note, RamaY garu, stop subscribing to Sakshi. I have tried to persuade a section of my family to stop funneling money into Jagan EJ mafia, but they are so enamored of him, they don't care for the threat he poses to Dharmic civilization in AP.

anyway, at least, you should stay away from Sakshi.
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plus one. In the end Jagan will join congress only because both sonia and Jagan have EJ agenda in their heart. It seems one more "suicide" yesterday and morning Tv 9 and 5 are full of that news. Everyone is critical of Chiddu and not ready to talk about their responsibility for making mess of the things.
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SAKSHI, the newspaper and the television channel are more a loudspeaker for Jagan than media. There is no need to take it seriously.
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It is the same case with most of the papers etc. Take The Hindu which is nothing more than the Chennai edition of the Peoples daily.

One more organisation under Mr. Lakshman Bapuji is formed to get Telangana state. I am not aware who is this person. Seems to be an old leader. It seems some people formed the Andhra JAC and stated discussions with T Jac people and there was some ruskus in Vijayawada. Now every one becomming a leader and every one is claiming to speak for people and their demands are to be met. TV people are only interested to show some news item with 10,15 people shouthing slogans and term it as agreat agitation.

K Rosayya today said that he has told Sonia in December 9th 2009 that the resolution on Telangana will not be passed in the Assembly. In fact even immediately after Dec 9th statement also he said the same thing. Why he wants to repeat that statement now?
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devesh wrote:
on a side note, RamaY garu, stop subscribing to Sakshi. I have tried to persuade a section of my family to stop funneling money into Jagan EJ mafia, but they are so enamored of him, they don't care for the threat he poses to Dharmic civilization in AP.

anyway, at least, you should stay away from Sakshi.
Devesh garu, I read free Internet versions of ALL Telugu news papers to understand the PoVs.
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Narayana Rao wrote: K Rosayya today said that he has told Sonia in December 9th 2009 that the resolution on Telangana will not be passed in the Assembly. In fact even immediately after Dec 9th statement also he said the same thing. Why he wants to repeat that statement now?
From K Rosaiah mouth only: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDTIfEnAaVw

In essence, despite then CM saying to Centreal leadership, they went ahead and made statement on Dec 9th (overruling then CM K Rosaiah). Now Chidu is pushing the whole thing back to AP people. If they didn't make the same statement, whole movements in last 2 years wouldn't be this vigorous and AP would have been running normally.

This shows it was game plan by Center and Central parties using KCR to screw AP.

At least now Center and Central parties should back off completely and let AP people decide for themselves. That may not happen as they want exploit fault-line they widened by their games.
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Telangana comes into being in Andhra Pradesh, in names

Slowly the business is succumbing to extortion and violence, govt is acting mere spectator. The status of Hyderabad is permanently changed either with united AP or the separate T. Since the Gini is out (on Dec 9th), isn't it more fruitful for seemandhra people to focus more on new capital, special package, pending irrigation projects as condition for separation, rather than negotiating on the status of Hyderabad.
As the dithering over the Telangana statehood issue continues, businesses in Andhra Pradesh which frequently find themselves caught in the middle have found a way to get around the problem — by acknowledging Telangana on their boards.

Those leading the way are corporate colleges and private coaching centres, a highly lucrative business in Andhra. And one of the biggest among them is the Sri Chaitanya Group, which runs IIT and medical entrance coaching centres, junior colleges and several other educational institutions. Recently it launched Telangana Sri Chaitanya Institutions, a franchisee.

By incorporating ‘Telangana’, it has not only won peace with protesters who frequently erupt over the demand for a separate state but also cleared the way for its entry into the rest of the region identified as Telangana, besides Hyderabad, where it already has 33 centres.

The Narayana Group of Educational Institutions, another big name in the state for IIT coaching, is planning to follow next. It has 45 branches in Hyderabad and surrounding areas.

The founders of both Sri Chaitanya and Narayana, B S Rao and Dr P Narayana respectively, hail from coastal Andhra and their centres in Hyderabad and neighbouring districts have been facing the brunt during Telangana agitations. With huge investments in multi-storey educational complexes, state-of-the-art classrooms, and other infrastructure, threats from Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS) and pro-Telangana leaders that they would force all ‘Andhra’ institutions to shut down unnerved the managements.

Rhetoric like ‘Telanganawale jaago, Andhrawale bhago’ prompted attacks by Telangana activists on their branches in Hyderabad and surrounding areas.

Director of Schools, Sri Chaitanya Group, Sricharan G says: “Telangana Sri Chaitanya Institutions is run by our ex-employee Kotesh Rao. We provide all the support to him to run these institutions. There has been a shift in enrolment with worried parents seeking admissions at centres away from the state capital. It is important for us to help students maintain their rhythm and concentration on studies.”

Another director of Sri Chaitanya says that they had also found that during the frequent shutdowns and postponement of exams due to the Telangana agitation, many students from Telangana districts had come and enrolled at their branches in coastal Andhra, especially Vijayawada.

“The parents and students had aspirations and they did not want the Telangana agitation to disrupt their studies. From this we picked up the idea that to protect the future of all our students enrolled in centres in Hyderabad and around, we need to take Telangana along with us,” says the director.

Director of Schools of Narayana Group Dr Pawan K Samba claims that 40 per cent of those who crack IIT-JEE are Andhra students who train at professional coaching centres. “Disruption in studies due to agitations and shutdowns puts a lot of stress on the students. We have to work around it and ensure that their focus is not disturbed,” Dr Samba says.

Both institutes have also decided to show some leniency towards lecturers and faculty hailing from Telangana if they want to participate in protests and shutdowns. Earlier, they were summarily dismissed, but the formation of the Telangana Corporate College Lecturers’ Forum settled that issue.

This year, Andhra accounted for 39 of the top 100 ranks in IIT-JEE, including seven among the first 10 ranks in the open category at the all-India level. Many of these students were from Sri Chaitanya Group and Narayana Group.

“We are into education, we don’t have anything to do with bifurcation of state or otherwise. We have Telangana students studying at our centres in Andhra and Andhra students studying at centres in Hyderabad,” B S Rao, Chairman of the Sri Chaitanya Group, said in a statement.

There were rumblings in the Telangana Joint Action Committee (TJAC), which is steering the statehood agitation, when the educational institutions began talking ‘Telangana’. TJAC members felt that the silence from the TRS, whose chief K Chandrasekhara Rao issued many threats to corporate educational institutions, meant that they had come to a “tacit understanding”. KCR, however, said a decision would be taken whether to allow Andhra-based educational institutions to operate branches in Telangana once the separate state is achieved.

Sri Chaitanya Institutions has some one lakh students while Narayana Group has 60,000 students across Andhra. The fees ranges from Rs 2 lakh for residential students annually to above Rs 50,000 for day students.
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Going a step further, Nagam made a provocative statement on Monday, asking all the Seemandhra employees working in Hyderabad and other Telangana districts to "pack their bags and push off" to their native places. The former Minister warned that the government would be responsible if any physical assaults take place targeting Seemandhra staff.
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Book review in Pioneer

Hyderabad Blues
Hyderabad Blues
August 06, 2011 8:36:18 PM


Battleground Telangana
Author: Kingshuk Nag
Publisher: HarperCollins
Price: Rs 350

In this book, Kingshuk Nag has not only explained various aspects of the Telangana problem, but also given its brief history for better understanding of the issue, writes Ved Marwah

The decision to create a separate State has never been a smooth affair. Many factors, often conflicting, give rise to the demand. The whole issue is complicated even at the start, but gets messier as it grows into a popular movement.

Expert opinion differs about the relative advantages or disadvantages of creating small States. But the decision on the many previous demands was invariably taken on political consideration. The size of a State had little to do with the decision. Today, there are relatively well-administered small States and also badly-administered small States. The same thing can also be said about large States.

The factors that fuel the demand for a separate State are many. In the book, Battleground Telangana: Chronicle of an Agitation, author Kingshuk Nag has not only explained various aspects of the complex problem, but also given its brief history for better understanding of the issue. “Telangana has an old history of struggle and defiance against central rule,” says Nag. He traces this history of struggle and defiance from the Kakitya dynasty in the 11th century. :mrgreen:

It is a timely publication as Hyderabad has literally turned into a battleground. The issue is getting serious by the day and not taking any decision is no longer a wise option. In this book, Nag has combined his journalistic skills with meticulous research. The merger of the erstwhile Hyderabad State into Andhra Pradesh in 1956 against the wishes of the people of the State sowed the seed of this struggle, which is now threatening to degenerate into violence and chaos. The people of the Telangana region in addition to loss of their distinct identity feared discrimination in the much larger State. They were neglected under the Nizam’s rule. They had hoped that in independent India they would get a better deal. Instead, the “more enterprising and better educated migrants from the Andhra region” pushed them further down. “Prosperity and opportunities have eluded them in life.” They hope for more jobs and prosperity in the separate Telangana State.

Even before the merger of the Hyderabad State into Andhra Pradesh, the Fazal Ali Commission appointed in 1953 noted that “a separate Telangana could well be a stable and viable unit”. The Nizam’s rule was the epitome of tyranny and corruption, making the people suffer from extreme poverty and backwardness. The merger of the State into Andhra in 1956 was the merger of “two intrinsically unequal people”. The region felt even more discriminated in the new State. The riots over this issue led to the resignation of Chief Minister Brahmananda Reddy in June 1969. The movement, however, fizzled out in the later years.

Telangana is culturally different from the rest of Andhra. :eek: But as the author says, “the movement has gathered steam on the issue of economic backwardness rather than cultural divergence”. The tragedy of this region is that its development was also neglected by the three Chief Ministers who came from Telangana that include PV Narasimha Rao and Chenna Reddy. They were too busy pursuing their personal agenda to pay much attention to the region. Faulty agriculture policies have further contributed to its backwardness. “Telangana is a semi-arid area, but the Government policies promote cultivation of paddy and sugar cane in line with the cropping patterns in the Andhra area,” says the author.

It is difficult to disagree with Nag when he says that the Srikrishna report has only confirmed the suspicion of the people of Telangana that the Centre was not serious about the issue. Hyderabad is located in the heart of Telangana and is historically part of this region. Telangana activists, therefore, are against a Chandigarh-like proposal for Hyderabad. The Hong Kong model where “one country, two systems” has been working well deserves serious consideration.

Nag also tells us about a land scam in Hyderabad that has further inflamed the already difficult situation. Emaar MGF, which has been accused of malpractices in the Commonwealth Games, is said to be “gifted away for a song” 535 acres of land in Hyderabad by corrupt politicians, thus depriving the people of Telangana funds for development. When it was ‘discovered’ in August 2010 that the Government equity in the commercial rights of the venture had been diluted to almost negligible level, it caused an outrage among the people of Telangana. The feeling that the “resources of their Hyderabad were being exploited by migrants from coastal Andhra” became stronger. Today, polarisation is complete in Andhra Pradesh.

Caste has also played a prominent role, though the traditional rivalry between the Kammas and the Reddys in Andhra Pradesh has not been to the advantage of the Telangana movement. “Notwithstanding the paeans sung for the robustness of Indian democracy, politics and political parties are often manifestations of the interests and aspirations of caste groups”. The Kammas oppose the proposal, though the Reddys are split. As for the other backward castes like Gouds, Gollas, Padmashalis, they support the cause of separate Telangana.

Unfortunately for the Centre, it has allowed the situation to reach a stage where maintaining status quo is not an option. K Chandrashekar Rao’s fast and subsequent P Chidambaram’s statement on December 9, 2009, declaring that “the process of forming a separate Telangana will be initiated and appropriate resolution passed in the Andhra Pradesh Assembly” are two important watersheds in this long history of struggle for a separate State. The Centre’s going back on this declaration has further infuriated the people. It is difficult for the Union Government to escape responsibility because under Article 3 of the Constitution, only Parliament is authorised to take the decision, in consultation with a State legislature.

The Telangana issue is more complicated than similar demands in the past. This book will help understand why it is so difficult for the Centre to take any decision on the issue.

-The reviewer, a retired IPS officer, is former Governor of Jharkhand and Manipur

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It is now reported that the central governament has recommended for the removable of 14f from the presidencial order. The ball is now with the President.
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Narayana Rao wrote:It is now reported that the central governament has recommended for the removable of 14f from the presidencial order. The ball is now with the President.

After protesting successfully, the Godavari districts of Telangana will lose to get free-zone jobs in Hyderabad.

Now Hyderabad zone politicians can start new movement "kick the non-Southern Telangana folks out of Hyderabad zone" :rotfl:
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Stan-ji,

Another sign of Pakiness from T-vadis.

The Islamic leadership approached TJAC requesting them to postpone all their T-agitation till end of Ramzan month so the muslim brothers can celebrate and pray their holy month in peace.

TJAC already postponed their "Sakala Janula Samme" (universal bandh) a couple of times and the new date (8/17) is not final.

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Last year the same TJAC (and TRS) cut their bandh short to facilitate Christmas celebrations.

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The only villan in this world is Andhra festivals and culture...

Aaaaaaak Thoooooo :evil:
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So called Jaguruthi organisation leader Kavitha ( KCR girl) yesterday gave a slogan "quit Telangana" and all TRS leaders supported her on Tv and Kodanda Rami Reddy also taling similar statements. So the real intenctions of kicking all non TRS supporters out of Telangana just like they did to Kashmiri Pundits is now openly out. Earlier slogans of Andhra Bago are now revived.

Today Azad is discussing with Non Telangana congress leaders.
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forgetting all the emotions, the broad problem we need to deal with is the slow de-nationalization of AP Coast by the EJ's. and that is exactly what the EJ's are. their brand of proselytizing is radical hatred of Dharma and continued indoctrination will lead to the same effects in people.

my gut tells me that it is the rich Coastal areas that are being contested here. the foreign interests want a free hand on the largest coastline of any Indian state. this is why AP has become the battleground of EJ activity. combined with gyan obtained from BRF, we know that when fertile coastal basins become beholden to outside forces, and don't have a strong bond with an inland system, then situation is ripe for the picking by foreign inimical interests.

it is in this aspect that we must think of the current happenings in AP, including T movement. if T separates, the political issue of Andhra domination on T will be solved and thereby tensions will cool and economic linkages between inland and coast might actually improve.

another likely possibility is that the political bifurcation further exacerbates the problem and AP coast becomes even more isolated from inland, and starts developing an identity that is exclusively coastal and thereby external in nature. if Coastal AP had the political and Rashtriya setup to handle the negative effects and suppress them, then it won't matter. but lacking such a setup, the infiltration by outside forces will reach higher magnitudes.

I really wish I had constant inputs from 'on the ground' sources, but I don't. but I do believe this is the challenge we face. we are seeing history repeat itself. EJ's are modern day East India Company.
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Devesh garu,

Good points. Unfortunately the political class is influenced by external forces irrespective of their location (coastal or inland). The battle for Telangana has multiple layers depending who and where

- TRS association with INC doesn't bode well for inland group, given that InC is external controlled. It would have been different if they aligned with TDP (not EJised yet, IMHO).

- how much industry that inlands can create that is solely for internal consumption. Today most of in-land minerals are exported out by coastal traders.

- what about the coastal resources. More and more they are more valuable to national interests (offshore oil fields, beach sands, uranium deposits etc)

It brings us back to leadership. I used to like KCR and TRS hoping that they would resurrect Kakatiya kingdom in deccan (slowly attracting older Kakatiya regions ;) ). But these guys are acting more secular than seculars themselves :((
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Limit Psec(Secular) -> Paki
Secular-> infinity
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One sensible comment by prof. Kodandaram

Commenting on AP High Court's direction to pursue criminal case on EMAR properties (YSJ is also involved here) Prof. Kodandaram said that "TJAC doesn't mind reducing its agitations if the govt functions like Courts and Govt work for social well being".
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We need not give any considaration for statements of Kodanda Rami Reddy. He is just like any other Maoist leader. Wait till the same High Court hears the petition on repeated bandh calls. If there is any adverse orders then all kind of allegations similar to the allegations made against SKC will be made on High Court also.
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Something is a foot:

TDP_INC alliance?

Note Mesquita simulation shows MIM and INC-Jagan types getting together. This is pre-emption.
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TDP and INC are actively involved in reducing Jagan. At the same time TRS and INC are also closly co ordinating their attacks on TDP.
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All maya onlee.
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AP in general and Telangana is the main base for naxals for many decades. So now destroying Hyderabad seems to be one of the aims of the Naxals. It is not a coinsidence that growth of Hyd and irradication of naxal base in AP happend almost at the same time. Youth of AP are no longer interested in leftist ideas. Naxals are facing probems in recrutment of educated and middle class youth from AP. Every one in AP now wants to be a software Eng and work for some MNC or top Indian software company. Further the money from Hyderabad made AP state comparitively rich and they could do some welfare works ( and eat a lot at the same time) So revival of naxal base is closly linked to destruction of Brand Hyderabad (and ensuring AP goes to dogs)

Mao said make every war an internal war. So the agitation for statehood should be taken over and irrespective of division or not it should be ensured that entire AP is economically destroyed so that our Naxal power can return. Gaddar and Vimalakka are already in that Job.
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this time, imvho, things are different. things are starting to clear up. we can now see where Telangana is headed. regardless of separate state happening, or when it happens, Naxals will move in big time into T. their logistical base is already in AP. they will intensity their ops in T in the coming years. T people will watch 20 years of relative peace from Naxals go down the drain. they will watch as news of economic prosperity and growth is overshadowed by news of Naxals killing families and paramilitary forces. they will compare it with rest of India. with Bangalore, Bombay and Delhi and Chennai. they will want govt to do something. this will be the first test for TRS. if KCR is incompetent against Naxals, he will go down. his political career will be over.

thinking on these lines, INC game plan becomes clear:

1. neutralize TRS by using Rashtriya links with Naxals and control of police/paramilitary forces to intensify Naxal ops.
2. Come to power and then miraculously "end" Naxal terrorism.
3. neutralize TDP by confining it to Coastal areas.
4. keep Jagan in "manageable" levels to marginalize TDP into a "30% party" even in Coastal and Seema districts; effectively destroying TDP's ability to garner enough seats to support NDA or alternative alliance at Center.

this is a master stroke by INC. they have learned history well. they realized that it was TDP that was the real cause of INC's downfall starting from the 80's. NTR's TDP was the first major party to support Janata Party alliance in the 80's. at that time, it was also the 2nd biggest party in the Lok Sabha. in one round of elections, TDP won all 39 seats from AP, making it the second biggest party in India (wrt LS presence). bigger than BJP at that point.

again in the late 90's, it was TDP support to BJP/NDA that was crucial in keeping INC out of power.

by changing the demographic balance of Seemandhra by encouraging EJ proselytizing, INC has effectively carved an assured base of voters. destroyed TDP chances of being a powerful force in this area. assured itself of guaranteed vote banks in all regions of the state. enough to keep it a major power, and keep in it power in any alliance.

of course, all this comes at the cost of Bharat's suraksha. this strategy gives shelter to anti-national forces and lets them propagate their views to 20-30% of the population. destroys the cultural/social unity of the Rashtra.

But I guess, all that is worth the price, if it continues to keep the Nehru dynasty and their associated interests in power for the foreseeable future...

now I'm starting to actually understand what Brihaspati ji meant, when he said that INC operates in a "vacuum ideology" just to keep itself in power, even if it effectively neuters and weakens Bharat and deteriorates its future prospects.

this is all eerily similar to Magadha under Dhanananda, and consequences for Bharat at that time.
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