Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Slaying??


Slaying of 3 Muslims lays bare divisions

“We’ll hunt down these black men, cut off their heads and feed them to our dogs,” said Amir Hawid, 20, who lives just a hundred yards (meters) from the killing scene and heard the screams of the crowd at the moment of impact.

They have dogs??

I thought that it was against their.........
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Sri wrote:^^^ No technical details at all? Tonage? Hieght? span?
Specifications
The Paksat-1R satellite is based on the DFH-4 platform, with a launch mass around 5,200 kg. The satellite will be positioned at 38.0 degrees East, replacing the Paksat-1 (23779 1996-006A), which was launched as Palapa-C on January 31, 1996, by an Atlas-IIAS (AC-126) from Cape Canaveral’s LC-36B launch complex. Paksat-1R was manufactured by the China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC), after being ordered in October 15th, 2008 – with a contract signed with the China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC). The PakSat-1R contract was the third communications satellite contract signed by China’s space industry with international customers. It is also China’s first satellite in-orbit delivery contract signed with an Asian customer.
The satellite will support all conventional and modern Fixed Satellite Service (FSS) applications, with a total of up to 30 transponders: 18 in Ku-band and 12 in C-band. To ensure high degree of reliability/availability of the system, two fully redundant Satellite Ground Control Stations (SGCS) were established in Karachi and Lahore, one to act as the Main and the other as Backup respectively.
The DFH-4 (DongFangHong-4) platform is a large telecommunications satellite platform – a new generation of hardware based on high output power and communication capacity, ranking alongside international advanced satellite platforms. The applications for the DFH-4 platform aren’t limited to high capacity broadcast communication satellites and can be used to tracking and data relay satellites, regional mobile communication satellites, etc. The platform comprises propulsion module, service module and solar array. It has a payload capacity of 588 kg and an output power of 10.5 kW by the end of its lifetime. Its design lifetime is 15 years and its reliability by the end of its lifetime is more than 0.78.
Based on versatility, inheritance, expandability and promptness principles and mature technology, the platform will meet the needs of international and domestic large communication satellite markets. The satellite is equipped with three receiver antennas and two transmission antennas. It can support the transmission of 150-200 TV programs simultaneously to ground users using a 0.45m antenna device.[8]
Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAKSAT-1R

IAF Bombardiers, please note, both locations to be bombed in tandem, if war occurs :twisted:
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"This also marks the next step in taking forward Pakistan's space Programme "2040", Salman Bashir said.
Will they still be around in 2040? :((
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Rohit_K wrote:Spin masters at it again:
Pakistan successfully launches communication satellite
From the above
Prominent among those present included Director General SPD Lt. General (Retd.) Khalid Ahmed Kidwai,. . . Secretary Defence Lt. General (Retd) Syed Ather Ali and Chairman Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO), Major General Ahmed Bilal,
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From the attendance list published it looks more like a spy sat launch.
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^^The article in a Paki paper posted here 2 days back about the impending launch did mention that the satellite was for "strategic purposes" and to be used to enhance "propaganda war against India with enhanced transponders" or some such terminology.
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gakakkad wrote:^^^ There is a lot of support for Modi too. Only anti modi comments I saw were from madarssa people , EJ's or can-gress stooges.

This is ridiculous. Two mistakes doesn't make right...!!

If Modi is wrong he will be tried in the court of law. No amount of public support will save him. But what at the crime of this Paki pilot ?
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The report in the online version of (Pak) Express Tribune mentions that Pak Army is one among more than 45 customers for PAKSAT-1R satellite. I do not believe that PA is going to use it to broadcast ISPR produced documentaries.
PAKSAT-1R: China launches Pakistan’s ‘first’ communications satellite
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Apart from Pakistan Army, there are more than 45 clients of PAKSAT-1R, including leading telecom companies such as Mobilink, and broadcasters such as Geo and ARY.
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If a comms satellite, it would definitely be used for military communications.

In any case, in the event of necessity, their deep water fliends will support them with feeds from their military satellites covering us.
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Just an outdated communication satellite made and launched by China. Pakistan becomes the 199th country out of 220 to acquire such "ADVANCED" capability . I am glad that they did not need to use djinn fizziks to acheive this miracle. It cannot be used for any strategic purpose other than increasing the crap load of an already crappy TV network
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Hiten wrote:also uploaded Shiv Saar's book in the re-formatted version to Scribd

http://www.scribd.com/doc/62079231/Paki ... iled-State

i hope no text got inadvertently added/edited/deleted in the re-formatted edition. Did not read the new one yet.
I forgot to mention that there were three image files in the original pdf which i edited out in the doc version. I've added the image files and some text back to make it complete. Did a quick proof read and corrected the page numbers. Below is my final version.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sbg97fc2i81odsj

It is in doc file. Anyone wants to add more decoration to it, go ahead. Maybe james can convert this to pdf if he see's this post.
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Avinash Rav wrote: This is ridiculous. Two mistakes doesn't make right...!!

If Modi is wrong he will be tried in the court of law. No amount of public support will save him. But what at the crime of this Paki pilot ?

Biraather , this particular site is the pinnacle of Indian nationalism . Besides Modi bashing is OT everywhere in this site. Try deaf and dumb "fo-rums" instead .

BTW ,Hows the weather at Bangalore , Kerala ?
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gakakkad wrote:
Avinash Rav wrote: This is ridiculous. Two mistakes doesn't make right...!!

If Modi is wrong he will be tried in the court of law. No amount of public support will save him. But what at the crime of this Paki pilot ?

Biraather , this particular site is the pinnacle of Indian nationalism . Besides Modi bashing is OT everywhere in this site. Try deaf and dumb "fo-rums" instead .

BTW ,Hows the weather at Bangalore , Kerala ?

Where on earth did u get the idea that I was bashing Modi ? I was only trying to point that, what the paki pilot did was wrong. Try not to twist it the way you want. Anyways OT. As for the weather in Bangalore-"Weather sakkathgide ankothini. Naanu sadhyakke alli illa "
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ಕ್ಷಮಿಸಿ, ನನ್ನ ತಪ್ಪು ತಿಳುವಳಿಕೆಯ. ಹವಾಮಾನ ಆನಂದಿಸಿ. :D
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gakakkad wrote:ಕ್ಷಮಿಸಿ, ನನ್ನ ತಪ್ಪು ತಿಳುವಳಿಕೆಯ. ಹವಾಮಾನ ಆನಂದಿಸಿ. :D
hahaha...!! Now we need to dodge these adminullahs..!!!
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Sri wrote:^^^ No technical details at all? Tonage? Hieght? span?
It is a wholly Pindli-genous satellite. Pindliyon ka gooda-genous
The Paksat-1R satellite is designed and manufactured by China Academy of Space Technology (CAST), a subsidiary of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC).
officials witnessed the Long March-3B rocket successfully carrying the communication satellite
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the revised version of the re-formatted version of Shiv Sir's book

http://www.scribd.com/doc/62079231/Paki ... iled-State

despite the copy-left, it would be better if Shiv Sir is kept in the loop while making changes to his book. JMT
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Of course, we have heard this story before. But, this being recalled in light of criticism in Pakistan on account of Ms. Hina Rabbani Khar's fashion parade, appears to be a back-handed compliment to Mrs. & Mr. Jinnah
Style story

As we know, our new Foreign Minister, Hina Rabbani Khar's style and accessories caused a stir in India on her recent visit to New Delhi. It brought back memories in the Indian media of another style story to do with Pakistan, in this case, the founder of the country. Back in the days of the British Raj, for our white skinned rulers, "anxious to distinguish themselves from natives, nothing was more galling than Indians in European attire. The elite women, especially, in their transparent chiffon saris and plunging necklines, were regarded with a mix of suspicion and envy. One of the most daring dressers of her time was Ruttie, M. A. Jinnah's young wife. Regarded by most as one of the best-dressed women in Bombay, she was a regular at the exclusive Emile Windgrove tailor's shop, where the Europeans went to buy their clothes. As one of the richest lawyers in Bombay and a rising political star, the Jinnahs were invited to all the parties thrown by Governors and Viceroys. Ruttie invariably caused a sensation at these formal dos in her tight dresses of brocade 'cut to the waist back and front, no sleeves, and over it, a chiffon sari'. As Lady Alice Reading wrote about her: 'She is extremely pretty, fascinating, terribly made up. All the men raved about her, the women sniffed". But it wasn't until Lord Willingdon became Governor of Bombay that her dress became a political issue. As a close associate of Jinnah's, Hector Bolitho, later recalled: 'Mrs Jinnah wore a low-cut dress that did not please her hostess. While they were seated at the dining table, Lady Willingdon asked an ADC to bring a wrap for Mrs Jinnah, in case she felt cold'. The haughty Jinnah rose from the table, saying, 'When Mrs Jinnah feels cold she will say so'. Then he led his wife from the dining room, and from that time, refused to go to Government House again. The incident sparked a political battle between Jinnah and Lord Willingdon that eventually led to the latter's departure. It ended in a public brawl, with Jinnah and his supporters breaking into the Town Hall and disrupting a farewell party hosted for Lord Willingdon by the Sheriff of Bombay. It has gone down in Bombay's history as perhaps the first battle caused by a dress."
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Almost all Muslim Leaguers were dapper men led by none other than Mr. Mohammed Ali Jinnah himself, in contrast to almost all the Congress leaders who were very simply dressed led by a half-naked fakir.No wonder that Jinnah said, 'by all canons, we are a separate nation'.
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SSridhar wrote:Almost all Muslim Leaguers were dapper men led by none other than Mr. Mohammed Ali Jinnah himself
Djinnah was certainly a dapper dresser, known for his Saville Row suits and expensive cigarette cases. As a matter of fact, he had safely ensconced himself within the upper crust society in London as an enlightened brown sahib and had no intentions of returning to India. He had no reason to associate himself with half naked Indians (Hindus and Muslims) back home as his fortunes were being made in the courts of England. I remember reading somewhere that he had often made disparaging remarks about MK Gandhi on the way he dressed. Cant find that comment.

Trus to their leader's lifestyle, the small elite in pa'astan follows the same dictums. I meet pakis in NY who are well dressed in designer attire even for casual get togethers (and I know that they usually are stretching their budgets). Their women typically, are well taken care of. Their cars are luxury branded. To be fair, I have seen this trend amongst many middle easterners as well. Indians on the other hand tend to be more conservative when it comes to money and generally dont flash it around (some exceptions, though always exist).
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One more writes about breaking up TSP into more provinces. Looks like the TSP rape elite are now fancying the idea of breaking TSP into smaller provinces.

From The News - Opinion piece (posting in full)

The uniqueness of Sindh
Ayaz Amir
Friday, August 12, 2011

Just when the sector commanders had been put on the back-foot, and the MQM was vociferating in a manner not seen since 1995 (Gen Babar’s operation), who should come to their rescue but President Zardari’s personal emissary, Montecello University’s most celebrated doctoral figure, Dr Babar Awan.

He has brilliantly appeased the MQM by restoring Gen Musharraf’s loaded local government system – first just to Karachi and Hyderabad and then, when interior Sindh rose up with one cry against this hasty move, to the whole of Sindh. The MQM can hardly believe its luck – perhaps it hadn’t counted on so swift a Zardari capitulation – but anger in interior Sindh is on the rise.

Dr Zulfiqar Mirza’s outbursts had angered the MQM but secured the PPP’s vote bank in rural Sindh. Dr Awan’s gymnastics have pleased the MQM but poured fuel over the burning embers of Sindhi anger. From one extreme the PPP has swung to the other.

The choice of Dr Awan as PPP plenipotentiary was bizarre. How was he qualified to negotiate on behalf of Sindhi interests? The PPP is now on the back-foot. All the certificates of cleverness earned by Zardari for his supposed political sharpness have gone with the wind.

Dr Awan has proved adept at stalling and frustrating the Supreme Court. From the PPP’s point of view, he should have confined himself to that doctrine of necessity instead of floundering in the waters of Sindh.

In an ideal world, the PML-N should have been quick to exploit this opening. Alas, if wishes could be horses. It showed itself eager, a bit too eager, to embrace the MQM when the latter fell out with Zardari. But this proved embarrassing when the MQM’s falling-out proved to be less than definitive. Small wonder, it has yet to get its thoughts in order on the anger on the rise in backwater Sindh.

All of us could do with some clarity on a crucial issue: while the logic of smaller provinces applies to Punjab, because it is too huge and unwieldy, it does not, and cannot, apply to Sindh. Babar Awan and the PPP came perilously close to the idea of Sindh division when they proposed one dispensation for Karachi and Hyderabad – the restoration of Musharraf’s local body system – and another for the interior, revival of the commissionerate system. Sindh interior instantly saw red and the PPP had to back down immediately, in the space of a mere 24 hours. But the alarm had been sounded and Sindhi concerns have yet to be addressed or placated.

Carving a southern or Seraiki province out of Punjab will not endanger Punjab identity. Indeed, it will facilitate the task of governance and give a sense of belonging to the people of southern Punjab who feel left out of the orbit of Punjab affairs. But anything even remotely connected to the notion of Sindh division is almost an invitation to dangerous conflict in this most sensitive of provinces.

We should not forget the history of 1947 migration. If we leave Bengal out of the equation, there were two great waves of migration in northern India at the time of Partition: one from East Punjab to West Punjab, and vice versa; the other from Delhi, Lucknow and Bhopal in the north, and Hyderabad Deccan in the south, to Karachi. These migrations were dissimilar in character.

While Punjab suffered the most in terms of looting, plunder, killings and mass rape, when the dust settled and passions had time to cool, the process of assimilation was relatively quick because East and West Punjabis, minor differences of course apart, came from the same cultural stock. With minor variations of dialect, they spoke the same language and shared the same history.

This was not so with the southern migration to Karachi and Hyderabad. Karachi was a cosmopolitan city even then – a mini-Bombay, so to speak – but it was the capital of Sindh, the culture and language of whose native inhabitants was radically different from that of the people who were coming to it from India.

Karachi soon became the centre not of Sindhi culture but of the culture of displaced Dehi, of Delhi as it had been before the tumult of Partition. Delhi today is a Punjabi city. Its old composite, Muslim-dominated culture, the culture from which arose the poetry of Mir and Ghalib, is a thing of the past, lost to the upheavals of time and history. No conqueror, not Taimur and not Nadir Shah, could destroy Delhi, or transform its character, as decisively as Partition did. Those who seek the old Delhi, authors like William Dalrymple, have to come to Karachi to catch a whiff of the past.

Pakistan would be the poorer without this infusion of Delhi, Lucknow and Hyderabad Deccan culture. True, there was a downside to it as well, in that the new migrants, culturally advanced and on the whole more educated than the natives of the parts which constitute Pakistan, brought with their culture also their own prejudices. Insecurity and fear were part of their migrational baggage and these were infused into the thinking of the new state. But in cultural terms the arid wastes of Pakistan were enriched by that influx of talent and learning.

Punjabis being Punjabis, no new centre of culture arose in Punjab. But in Karachi we saw the birth of a transplanted culture, its soul carrying the imprint of loss and nostalgia, the usual hallmarks of any migration.

The downside comes from this very circumstance. Sixty four years after Partition we continue to live in the past, beset by old insecurities even though the times have changed and the old certitudes which gave birth to those insecurities no longer survive.

Sindhis are entitled to be a bit upset by all these changes. After all, they too are the inheritors of a great civilisation. Moenjodaro is the oldest pre-historic site discovered anywhere in India. There are other mighty life-giving rivers in the sub-continent: the sacred Ganges, the winding Brahmaputra. But only the Indus, sacred river of Sindh, gives its name to India. Hindus migrating to India from Sindh in 1947 take great pride in their Sindh ancestry.

Sindhi anger, nay Sindhi anguish, is centred on a primal concern. Why must the transposing of cultures be at their expense? And there is a fear lurking in their hearts, the fear of the Red Indian and the aborigine, of becoming strangers in their own homeland. This is a concern which must not be scoffed at. The rest of us, and this includes the successors to the civilisation of Delhi, should avoid words or gestures that smack even remotely of designs against the unity and integrity of Sindh.

From the immortal land of the five rivers, now only three left with us, thanks to the vagaries of history, more provinces can be carved out and no harm will come to it. But let no Punjabi leader or politician say that if Punjab is to be divided the same logic should apply to other provinces. This is wrong thinking. The same logic does not apply to Sindh, it does not apply to Balochistan. It is relevant only to Punjab and Punjab will be doing itself and the nation a service if it takes the lead in this respect, illuminating the path that others can follow.

A word may also be in order about another fixation of the Punjabi mind: Kalabagh dam. If Kalabagh dam is right then there is nothing wrong with the dams India is building on the rivers Chenab and Jhelum. If we are objecting to run-of-the-mill dams in Kashmir, dams whose water is not stored but is allowed to run, how can we support a storage dam on the Indus at Kalabagh? The logic just does not hold.

History cannot be undone. We have to live by its consequences. But Sindh of all regions of Pakistan requires a balance and moderation in the conduct of its affairs. Any hint of an unnatural hegemony of one part over the other is an invitation to anger and despair.

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From The News (posting in full). Looks like lot of price gouging this Ramzaan for mango TSPian.

Sugar retail price feared to rise beyond Rs74
Updated 7 hours ago

KARAQCHI: Sugar retail price feared to rise beyond Rs74 per kilo, while the already hyperinflation hit people would have to swallow this sugar coated bitter pill as well.

Industry sources told that ex-factory sugar price during the last eight days rose by over Rs2.50 in Sindh and Punjab, thereby swelling the ex-factory price in Sindh to Rs71, while in Punjab to Rs72 per kilo.

Prevailing retail sugar price is around Rs74/75 per kilo and if no action taken against the profiteers, then its price feared to go beyond even Rs75.

Industry sources said that the country’s sugar stock on July 1, 2011 stood at 1.35 million tons, which constitutes of Sindh’s 0.425 million tons, Punjab’s 0.805 million tons, while Khayber Pakhtunkhaw‘s sugar stock 90,000 tons.

Sugar stock in the country was more than the demand and enough for meeting demand until December current year. Despite this the profiteers are out to fleece the consumers whimsically of which the ministry of production has itself taken notice, but to no avail. The people said that instead of rhetoric concrete actions be taken to rein in the hoarders and profiteers.

Experts said that sugar price since June 2011 till now has shot up by Rs9 per kilo and pegged at Rs74 on average and if this rate persists for another one month, then on the basis of per month consumption of three lac tons, it is feared that the profiteers would rob additional Rs2.70 billion from the wallets of hapless consumers.
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From The News (posting in full). Is this amount not a bit too large to deal with shortage of money in banks? Is this a sign of liquidity problems or something deeper?

SBP injects Rs132 bn to deal with money shortage
Updated 9 hours ago
KARACHI: The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) has supplied banks with Rs132 billion for seven days to deal with the shortage of money, Geo News reported Friday.

According to money market dealers, the central bank has loaned this amount at an interest rate of 13.5%.

Dealers added that after the withdrawal of Rs140 billion due to maturities, the central bank conducted an open market operation.
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From The News (posting in full). The wheels of justice spin fast in TSP. In a little over 2 months they finished their investigation, conducted a trial and sentenced the offenders. Case Closed courtesy TSP - SC's suo motu action. Eat out hearts out SDRE's who are still deciding on what to do with the likes of Kasab and Afzal Guru.

Sarfaraz's relatives happy over verdict
Updated 6 hours ago

KARACHI: The relatives of Sarfaraz Shah, who was killed by Rangers personnel, expressed satisfaction over the verdict and said they are thankful to the court, Geo news reported.

The Anti-Terrorism Court headed by Judge Bashir Ahmed Khoso here today awarded death sentence to accused Shahid Zafar, constable of Sindh Rangers and gave life term to six remaining accused in Sarfaraz Shah murder case.

The court also imposed fine of Rs 0.2 million on Shahid Zafar, and Rs. 0.1 million fine to the co-accused which will be paid to the heirs of the deceased as compensation.

After the verdict, Amin Shah, father of Sarfaraz Shah, while talking to Geo News said the verdict is on merit. He also thanked Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry.

While, Sarfaraz's mother said she is happy but all accused should have been sentenced to death.
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One security personnel killed, 3 injured in Quetta rocket attacks
QUETTA: Unidentified armed men fired six rockets which landed in cantonment and suburb of the provincial capital on Friday night, killing one security personnel and injuring three others.
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3 policemen killed by gunmen in Peshawar, Pakistan
ISLAMABAD, Aug.12 (Xinhua) -- At least three policemen were killed and several others injured Friday morning when they were attacked by two unknown gunmen on their way back escorting prisoners for medical check in Peshawar, northwest Pakistan, reported local Urdu TV channel Duniya.

Friday's incident is the third of its kind targeting at police in the city over the past two days. On Thursday morning, two bomb attacks targeting at the police were reported in the city, during which at least eight people including five police men were killed and 37 others injured, most of whom were policemen as well.
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One person burnt alive as seven vehicles set ablaze in Karachi
KARACHI: A mini bus full of passengers was set ablaze near Tower in which one person was burnt alive while up to five others suffered burns injuries as miscreants went on a seeming rampage in the city which saw six other vehicles torched.

This was not the only incident of vehicles being torched in the city with buses being torched at NIPA, in Korangi, Orangi, North Nazimabad, and Mai Kolachi.

Reports of firing from various areas was also received where tensions ran high
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There are many people who think that after the US withdrawl, the Jihadis lead by Pak will directly or indirectly control Afghanistan. Then Pak will be free to unleash all these Jihadi groups backed by ISI and even the Pak army wherever necessary against India in the name of Kashmir Jihad. Does anyone know if the Indian government is taking this seriously and if so, what steps it is taking to counter such a push ? With all the news about the Indian defence modernization almost grinding to a halt ostensibly due to Antony's anti-defence contractor bribery campaign, it doesnt look like the government is taking this possibility too seriously. Frankly, I dont believe the modernization drive has been halted because Antony wants to go after corruption, I think this is only an nice sounding excuse used to slow down the modernization of Indian armed forces which seems to me to be the hidden agenda of INC lead by Sonia Gandhi. They are very cleverly doing it in the name of anti-corruption, as who will object to anti-corruption drives ?

What would it take for India to get the US to recognize Pak as the epicenter of not only terrorism but of the militant Islamic push to convert the world and establish a worldwide Islamic Caliphate, and then directly confront Pak with all its might ? Will diplomacy of any kind help ? Has Indian diplomacy vis-a-vis the US been adequate in this regard ? OR no matter what India does, US will stay its bull headed self ?
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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shivajisisodia wrote:There are many people who think that after the US withdrawl, the Jihadis lead by Pak will directly or indirectly control Afghanistan. .......Has Indian diplomacy vis-a-vis the US been adequate in this regard ? OR no matter what India does, US will stay its bull headed self ?
1. How did you come to the conclusion that defense modernization in India has "almost ground to a halt"?
2. You give the INC too much credit for their ability to stop defense modernization. Period.
3. AKA is not the best defense minister when it comes to taking action with regards to modernization. But modernization has been happening and will continue to happen irrespective of this gentleman being at the helm of affairs at MoD.
4. The question of whether Indian diplomatic efforts with regards to the United States is adequate, is moot - at the best of times.
5. The United States has never been a true ally to anyone - it single mindedly pursues its own interests. With regards to Pakistan though, the United States has very little influence. Their one objective is to start getting troops home, reduce spending in foreign shores..all in preparation for the next elections. The nature of their interests in this region has been discussed and argued within these forums.
6. Again, a question that has been asked numerous times here: Why do we expect the United States to fight OUR wars? Why do we expect the United States to look after OUR interests?
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i note a lot of posters are attacking shiv's point of view. While he can defend himself has a perfect and legitimate right to express himself.

Thanks ramana
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"ಕ್ಷಮಿಸಿ, ನನ್ನ ತಪ್ಪು ತಿಳುವಳಿಕೆಯ. ಹವಾಮಾನ ಆನಂದಿಸಿ"

Admins. We can also have this in the dozens of Indian scripts. However, it does not further the overarching goal of getting our Indian POV across on Googal.

Transparency not inside stuff gets the message across.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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rajithn wrote:
How did you come to the conclusion that defense modernization in India has "almost ground to a halt"?
There have been many articles in the media lately about that. I am posting one link below from Times of India as an example.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... n-pakistan
rajithn wrote:
Again, a question that has been asked numerous times here: Why do we expect the United States to fight OUR wars? Why do we expect the United States to look after OUR interests?
Perhaps, because India hasnt been able to finish off Pak by itself.
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There will be a anti american lobby in India and it will keep growing. Pakistan would be one of the reason for the existance of this lobby.
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ramana wrote:i note a lot of posters are attacking shiv's point of view. While he can defend himself has a perfect and legitimate right to express himself.
Thank you ramana. Here is a link to an explanation of many of my recent interactions - which is OT for this thread
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1146330
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Just following Voltaire.
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Foreigner kidnapped from Lahore
LAHORE: A US citizen, Justin Warner, has been abducted from his residence in Model Town Block ‘J’ in Lahore on early Saturday, SAMAA reported.

Witnesses said that at least 7-8 armed miscreants broke into house of Warner and kidnapped the latter.

Meanwhile, officials of intelligence agencies and police have reached the incident site and placed a strict cordon around the area.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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shivajisisodia wrote:There have been many articles in the media lately about that. I am posting one link below from Times of India as an example.
Perhaps, because India hasnt been able to finish off Pak by itself.
The pace of modernization leaves much to be desired. But Mr. Mishra is only referring to this pace and not suggesting a halt. The nature of Military Industry is that it will always involve commissions and kickbacks. Mr. AKA's wish for clean defense deals is idealism at best, naiveté at worst.

Well, India not finishing off Pakistan is not a matter of our ability but points more to a lack of will. And since we are not willing (and even if we were to concede that we wont be able to), then this is our problem, is it not? The United States, or any country for that matter, wont step in out of goodness of their hearts to rid us this pestilential nuisance. If we believe Pakistan is truly hurting us, we need to grow a couple of big, hairy ones and rid ourselves of Pakistan. {Sometimes, in moments of frustration, I go as far as to speculate that the political parties, irrespective of their hues, may not actually want to solve this problem once and for all. Pakistan is a readily available distraction, for the politicians to use when the masses turn up the heat on them for any mis-deeds}
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What does 'finishing of Pakistan' mean? There cannot be a war without a definite political aim.
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As Rajithn points -
India not finishing off Pakistan is not a matter of our ability but points more to a lack of will
it is lack of will to do so.
Indeed it is difficult to develop a will strong enough to defeat reasons of not going to war, and also,

as Sri says
There cannot be a war without a definite political aim.
And the aim is -
To divert attention of the Indian public from corruption related issues, to pakistan related issues, Indian politicians could come to an agreement and declare war on Pakistan.It would give them the much desired but lacking face-lift.Politicians are the ones who instigate violence within the country, and they are the ones who declare wars after huddling up together in closed rooms. A war with Pakistan is possible, despite the deterrance that exists in terms of nuclear capability of Pakistan.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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this paki pilot so called apologizing, is this some kind of double game? What he did was clearly a war crime. Is there some hurdle for him to get certain benefit like settling his family in west or something? So is he trying to get away with the tag of war criminal by making victims's relatives accept his plea?

Every behaviour of each paki should be thoroughly scrutinized.
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