Indo-UK News & Discussion 9th Aug 2011

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 12 Aug 2011 22:14

There are many different minority and immigrant communities in London, many, if not most of them non-white. However the tension between Afro-Caribbean gangs and the police are worse than with any other street groups.

Jamaica has extremely high levels of gun crime, and Jamaican gangs were some of the first, and still amongst the most willing to use guns in the UK.

The bottom line is that the police and the authorities go after those who threaten life, not property. They do it with far less racism than was shown in the 1970s and 80s, but the problems are still there.

Pakistanis in the UK have poor educational outcomes, but many of them do have an entrepreneurial streak and are able to climb out of the underclass that way. There are far fewer black businesses in poor Afro-Caribbean areas unfortunately, and when combined with low educational achievement that leaves few options.

Brihaspati,

This was not a peasant rebellion - of which the UK had far fewer than most of the rest of Europe.

This was not part of the labour movement's struggle for better working conditions in the industrial age.

This was not a sectarian or primarily racial riot.

This was the result of the worst of modern youth culture and consumerism meeting the social reality of the underclass.

The underclass if you forget are guaranteed housing, food, clothing and education in conditions that are better than those available over two thirds of the world's population.

That is not however enough to buy all the nice things that consumer culture tells you you ought to have. It does not give you the sense of social status that you feel you ought to have.

This is the result of people coming to measure status and self-worth not by the value or difficulty of what they do for a living (which used to be the bedrock of working class pride), or how they treat each other, but what they own, and the woolly-headed moral relativism of schools and the media that goes hand in hand with relentless self-esteem building.

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 12 Aug 2011 22:24

Riots poll reveals public back police more than politicians
Guardian/ICM poll: Only 30% think David Cameron responded well while 54% think police are under resourced

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/1 ... ack-police

There is also widespread agreement about the main causes of the riots and looting.

Asked to pick from a list of possible reasons, 45% blame criminality on the part of the rioters. Older voters and richer ones are most likely to lay the blame on this.

Of other possible reasons, 28% cite lack of respect within families and communities. Only 8% think a lack of jobs for young people is the main reason. A further 5% say the shooting by the police of Mark Duggan, which led to the initial disorder in Tottenham, was the main cause, while 4% blame the coalition government, 2% the police and 2% the state of the economy.

At the bottom of the list only 1% blame racial tension – a finding that suggests these riots are being seen differently by the public to those of the 1980s.

Despite the scale of the rioting, and accusations that the police mishandled the initial disorder in Tottenham, public trust in the police seems uniformly strong. Overall 61% of those polled say they are confident that the police enforce the law fairly, uniformly and without prejudice.

By contrast a total of 36% say they are either not at all (10%) or not very (26%) confident. There is some evidence that younger or poorer people are less likely to trust the police than older or better-off ones, but in all categories a majority are satisfied.

However, the public are far less confident about the police's ability to keep order. A majority say they think the police lack sufficient resources. The finding could add to opposition to cuts in police numbers and funding.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 12 Aug 2011 22:50

Johann wrote: Brihaspati,
This was not a peasant rebellion - of which the UK had far fewer than most of the rest of Europe.

Well more are coming to light in UK history now, and true as you say for Europe - where riots were also far more spectacular and frequent.

This was not part of the labour movement's struggle for better working conditions in the industrial age.
This was not a sectarian or primarily racial riot.
This was the result of the worst of modern youth culture and consumerism meeting the social reality of the underclass.

The underclass if you forget are guaranteed housing, food, clothing and education in conditions that are better than those available over two thirds of the world's population.

That is not however enough to buy all the nice things that consumer culture tells you you ought to have. It does not give you the sense of social status that you feel you ought to have.

This is the result of people coming to measure status and self-worth not by the value or difficulty of what they do for a living (which used to be the bedrock of working class pride), or how they treat each other, but what they own, and the woolly-headed moral relativism of schools and the media that goes hand in hand with relentless self-esteem building.

In the past also not all riots were about long-lasting improvement in conditions - but more immediate consumer items of those ages. But the problem is again, who taught them these values of bauble-consumerism? it is not absolute deprivation but relative deprivation that triggers discontent.

If you look back, public morality was always hypocritical in UK - with aristos/royals/rich mostly getting away with things that were preached as evil to the populace. The history of anti-corruption in UK dates back hardly two centuries - even at the judiciary level. In the past politics was more exclusively a preserve of the propertied - hence state coercion could manage the hypocritical or selective application of morals and values. Hanging twelve year olds for stealing a bread for example or packing off fertile women after assigning death penalty or life-terms on dubious charges and then offering amnesty if they agreed to become sexual outlets for male deportees to Oz.

Now the media and universal franchise have spoiled that state monopoly over coercion and selective application of morals. In the early between war and post-war periods - there still was sufficient capital to play around left from the colonies, and US capital injections. So the so-called working class or middle class values apparently worked on the surface - these are values that always work in times of relative prosperity.

But, the original hard struggle of innovation, knowledge based economy, and colonial expansion that led to Brit growth in the late 17th-19th century - was forgotten. Colonial extraction of capital had to be written off from education because ex-colonies with potential to rise should not be allowed a reverse-colonization. Hard work, competition, had to be written off from education as necessary for growth and prosperity - because for a long time, this was the master race, used to getting things done for them by slaves. So kids have no need to face up to the reality of British "growth" and they expect things to come to them because they are born to a superior system that delivers things to them without any need for effort on their part.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 12 Aug 2011 22:53

Riots poll reveals public back police more than politicians
Guardian/ICM poll: Only 30% think David Cameron responded well while 54% think police are under resourced

Sounds link recent Egypt revolution

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Aug 2011 23:50

This pic shows how close riots broke out to olympics venue

Johann · Post by **Johann** » 13 Aug 2011 00:00

IndraD wrote:
Gangs ferried thugs into riot hotspots by bus and were orchestrating violence, say police

In Manchester, a suspected gang boss Dominic Noonan was seen allegedly helping organise riots on his mobile phone, according to The Telegraph.
Amateur footage showed Noonan, the subject of a 2007 documentary A Very British Gangster, talking to a group of looters carrying a plasma TV.
Peter Fahy, chief constable of Greater Manchester Police, has said he believes the violence was 'organised and orchestrated'.
Home Office sources said earlier this week that 'several hundred' ringleaders had already been traced as part of the intelligence operation.
One official said: 'Many of these people are part of organised criminal gangs. We know who they are and we can see who else they are talking to. We are using all the resources at our disposal. This is a national priority.'
notorious gangster Noonan in Manchester riots

Things are suddenly *much* clearer.

The man killed in what was essentially an encounter operation (very unusual when it comes to the police anti-gang units) was the nephew of Desmond Noonan, the brother of Dominic Noonan spotted organising looting in the clip above.

Its no wonder that the escalation was so quick and so violent. The Noonans revenge on the state for breaking the rules of the game.

The suspected gangster shot dead by police was the nephew of a notorious gangland criminal, it has been revealed.
Mark Duggan's uncle was Desmond 'Dessie' Noonan whose family used to run Manchester's underworld and featured in a 2005 documentary.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1UqKWbWQk

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Aug 2011 02:09

serving soldier arrested for riots-A Paratrooper who fought in Afghanistan faced court yesterday accused of stealing a £1,900 guitar during the riots

UK riots: young thugs 'should fear the police', says David Cameron's new crime adviser

Mr Bratton said that “very early” in young offenders’ lives, they should be made to realise that crime will result in punishment.

Looter: 'The longer the riots last, the more I’ll take’

the behaviour of our young people is out of control. Many refused to believe my tales of chaotic classrooms, rudeness to teachers and lack of respect for authority. This week sees how we are now reaping the consequences of teaching our children all about their rights and nothing about their responsibilities. Why? Yuh wanna buy some?” He explains that he’s selling Xboxes for £200 each. He has one left. He reels off the goodies he has stashed in his room. “Yeah, I got three PlayStation 3s, a laptop, a keychain, yuh know, just to take the ––––… uh… five trainers, a bike, like an actual bike, and a bike chain…uh… a GPS, a whole bunch of hoodies, some gloves… uh… there was loads more… I can’t remember. Oh! A TV! Yeah, a Samsung. 'Cause yuh know, I like qua – lit - ee!’”

This young man was involved in looting in Brixton, Clapham, Hackney and another place – but he can’t remember what it’s called

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 13 Aug 2011 03:19

serving soldier arrested for riots-A Paratrooper who fought in Afghanistan faced court yesterday accused of stealing a £1,900 guitar during the riots

Looks like UK has abandoned even the men in uniform, by mindlessly indulging in empire building, by sending young desperate kids into harms way so much that serving personnel continue to exhibit same behaviour even after they return from duty.

Unwise allocation of funds and misplaced priorities. reeducation camps for a large segment of population is in order.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Aug 2011 04:33

British police and race relations as they were in the early 80's

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Aug 2011 04:37

JwalaMukhi wrote:
serving soldier arrested for riots-A Paratrooper who fought in Afghanistan faced court yesterday accused of stealing a £1,900 guitar during the riots
Looks like UK has abandoned even the men in uniform, by mindlessly indulging in empire building, by sending young desperate kids into harms way so much that serving personnel continue to exhibit same behaviour even after they return from duty.

Unwise allocation of funds and misplaced priorities. reeducation camps for a large segment of population is in order.

serving soldiers are sometimes also involved in football hooliganism and very likely to be involved in saturday night fist fights in town centres with local guys after a few beers. quite a few of them see it as an adrenalin rush. i am sure this guy did it for the hell of it.

not so long ago a friend of mine was involved in a fist fight with french foreign legionnaires in a bar in marseilles - they all seemed to have a great time and shook hands and bought each other beers afterwards. some guys just enjoy a good fight

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Aug 2011 06:16

Bji,
Looks like you are ready to write your own version of horriblhistories like Dreary!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Aug 2011 14:12

British Riots: An Ethiopian Perspective

This is because the poor and the helpless of Addis do not resign themselves to poverty and helplessness, and nor do they smash up Lidl because it might be their fault. Instead, they create the slum economy, the dirty little secret of developing cities exposed by Paul Mason in last week’s New Statesman

They do not riot here, violent crime is at an all time low and there is a communal friendliness between the recently rich and the continuous poor that is almost tangible. I stop short of explaining the shooting of Mark Duggan. Mostly because its hard to describe any causal link between protesting police brutality and stealing value bags of Basmati rice from Tesco’s, especially with a child-like grasp on the local language.

Peaceful protest is of course necessary in any democracy, especially when its government’s answer to increased criminality is cuts to the police force. However, it would be nice if looters, who have ravaged local communities across the country over the last week, could come and explain to a homeless man in Addis how a population with so much can smash shop windows to get more

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 13 Aug 2011 15:29

On the first day of riots we spoke about "Rodney King riots" in LA, and how 30+ rioters were shot dead and riot quelled within 2 days by LAPD. Guess the UK parliamentarians read BRF in their spare time! They have decided to hire the services of Bill Bratton, former LAPD and NYPD police chief to advise the PM and Scotland Yard on dealing with gangs and riots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14514429

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 13 Aug 2011 17:53

gang culture and violence have increased massively in the UK in the past few years. there always were gangs, but now there are more street gangs - most ready to break the old code and do things more violently and brutally. the american gang culture has arrived, gun crime has increased massively and the rapper culture promotes it

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 13 Aug 2011 18:03

Lalmohan wrote: serving soldiers are sometimes also involved in football hooliganism and very likely to be involved in saturday night fist fights in town centres with local guys after a few beers. quite a few of them see it as an adrenalin rush. i am sure this guy did it for the hell of it.

not so long ago a friend of mine was involved in a fist fight with french foreign legionnaires in a bar in marseilles - they all seemed to have a great time and shook hands and bought each other beers afterwards. some guys just enjoy a good fight

Have to cut some slack for the guys who are of non-colour. They must actually be deep under cover agents of MI5 special branch trying to infiltrate into the gangs. Or they must be in training for eventual deployment abroad. In fact, most of non-colored guys are undercover officers trying to infiltrate the underworld.
Anyways, most of the public and the press is asking the question:
How could they do this to themselves (in their own community)?

This actually requires two levels of reeducation. The first part is addressed by the public per the question they asked.
The second level of reeducation is for the UKstan, so they can ask the following question:
How could they do this? Period. (Either to themselves or to anyone else).

For this to happen probably civilization needs to be brought to the society. Chinese are more than willing to form a Coalition of the willing to spread true democracy (CWSTD), and sack the fake monarchy system, with Iran as the major ally.
In fact, China will have a better shot at in proving that UKstan has "Weapons of Mass destruction" to the UN.
Given the propensity for fun the society indulges in, as a side effect, the looting and pillaging of the Bukingham Palace would have to be endured. (Will be slightly more funner than the looting and pillaging of Saddam's Palace).

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Aug 2011 20:13

criticism from world over...

NZ Press- English underbelly exposed

Polish girl who leapt from fire says England is not civilised, it is sick

gloating around the world over England riots

n an address to his regime’s armed forces, Mr Mugabe railed against his country’s former colonial master and used the London riots to demand it stop meddling in Zimbabwean affairs.

China meanwhile observed that riot-swept Britain had tasted the “bitter fruit” of failure to introduce Chinese-style crack downs on social networking sites such as Twitter and Facebook. ter the riots, the image of London has been severely damaged, leaving the people sceptical and worried about the public security situation during the London Olympics,” noted a report on the state-run Xinhua news agency

Lbyan state-run Al-Jamahiriyah television ran an English language broadcast addressed to rioting inner city dwellers urging them to “defeat this British regime” which “killed their brothers” by leading Nato military operations to overthrow Colonel Muammar Gaddafi.

Pakistan- I want to condemn the self-ashamed behaviours of mental slaves of West,” wrote Abdullah Ansari wrote in The Pakistan Observer.

uropean Union “partner” countries, such as France, Latvia, Italy, Sweden, Denmark and Finland, issued advice yesterday warning their holidaying citizens to be vigilant while visiting Britain.

Meanwhile UK govt successfully organised a press presentation of the Malayasian student who was robbed while bleeding , he also has received a charity of 22000 pounds.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Aug 2011 02:04

police body questions appointment of NYPD former chief Bill Bratton

bagawat ki chingari in London police

In a statement the body said: "The Association of Chief Police Officers and the Federation understand UK legislation and are in a much better place to advise the PM than an American.

"Why won't the Prime Minister consult us?"
Mr Bratton is no stranger to UK policing, having teamed up with British officers at other times over the past 20 years.

In 2009, the Queen awarded him the honorary title of Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

Now it is apparent many Indian shops have been looted

Niranjana Yogesh Patel, who owns a three-storied 'party shop' in Clapham Junction was one of the victims of the riots. Her shop was burnt down by rioters -- all wearing hoods.

Another jewellery shop named 'Bhagwanji Ram' owned by Manubhai was also looted.

The Britishers of Indian origin have more reason to worry because large number of them own shops. "Many of us believe that police is ill-equipped to handle rowdy crowds," Patel said.

Sehgal electronics looted

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Aug 2011 04:51

BBC-English police hit out at supercop Bill plan

Association of Chief Police Officers' head Sir Hugh Orde said: "I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them."

Ian Hanson, of the Greater Manchester Police Federation, called it a "slap in the face" and said Britain did not need someone from "5,000 miles away".

And former Scotland Yard Commander John O'Connor said: "The Americans didn't cure the social problems in New York. What they did is they locked people up. That's how zero tolerance works. We haven't got the heart for that over here."

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Aug 2011 04:54

Non riot related but a riotous one nonetheless...from twiter @StacyHerbert

London also harbours Icelandic bankers who stole billions. Interpol has issued warrants for their arrest. They live peacefully in Chelsea.

Russian banker steals billions and flees to . . . can you guess where? Yep, you guessed it, London. http://t.co/EgBKyhs

Chor aur chori ka maal....recipe for bad karma only. And then they have the effing gall to lecture us SDREs only on space program, missile program, CWG and what not, eh?

Ambar · Post by **Ambar** » 14 Aug 2011 04:56

If they don't have a heart for "zero tolerance" they better learn to get used to the riots,arson and looting as a everyday "social ill".

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Aug 2011 06:17

IndraD wrote:BBC-English police hit out at supercop Bill plan

Association of Chief Police Officers' head Sir Hugh Orde said: "I am not sure I want to learn about gangs from an area of America that has 400 of them."

Ian Hanson, of the Greater Manchester Police Federation, called it a "slap in the face" and said Britain did not need someone from "5,000 miles away".

And former Scotland Yard Commander John O'Connor said: "The Americans didn't cure the social problems in New York. What they did is they locked people up. That's how zero tolerance works. We haven't got the heart for that over here."

Then they should immediately accept the generous Iranian offer of sending peace keepers and

also an Iranian commission to be setup in London to monitor human rights abuses of the poor

rioters.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 14 Aug 2011 08:05

YAar they had heart to kill so many Indians pre-1947 but dont have heart to lock up hooligans. Good going UK!!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 14 Aug 2011 14:30

Time for England to once against enlist the services of "Dad's Army",the Home Guards who were presed into service during the last World War! I am sure that one can find another bank manager,like Sir Fred the Shred who bankrupted the RBS to play the part of Capt.Mainwaring, and ageless former Lib-Dem leader "Ming" Campbell as Cpl. Jones!

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Aug 2011 14:48

they dont like it up em, eh philip-ji?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Aug 2011 16:03

this whole matter and aftermath is surely the subject of a ongoing case study in the neo-caliphate areas. eminent minds upto university prof level would be mulling over how best to proceed now.

Lalmohan, pls keep track of how far the GoUK move to evict convicted looters and rioteers from publicly funded free or subsidized housing goes....the argument could be made it would be harsh on the siblings and parents not involved at all in the misdeeds of one - smacks of british/paki style collective punishment on the NWFP. afterall, would the same thing be enforced on the families of other 'regular' criminals?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 14 Aug 2011 20:39

white became blacks in UK society..!

Acc to this veteran whites are behaving like blacks (by corollary whites are superior to blacks..!)

Say to him that mass immigration should be stopped and reversed, and that those who refuse any of the huge number of jobs which are then available should be denied benefits of any kind, and he will gibber in shock.
Yet he is ready to authorise the use of water cannon and plastic bullets on our streets (quite useless, as it happens, against this sort of outbreak) as if we were a Third World despotism.

we can't use water canons and rubber bullets like third world..!

Rubbish articles like these in daily tabloids of UK reveal it is a society with deep belief of race and class.

(rassi jal gayi bal nahi gaya)

JwalaMukhi · Post by **JwalaMukhi** » 14 Aug 2011 21:58

From the guys who institutionalized racism, it is not too surprising.
It is time to invest in canine stocks. More horrible histories.... and probably continuation of the same.
Right when Columbus landed, he used vicious attack dogs to eradicate taino people in Hispaniola. In US the colonial mentality of training dogs to attack everyone else other than non-colored people was common practice. Hapless natives and blacks bore the brunt. Even as recently, as in the aftermath of racial riots of 1960, many a non-colored people adopted German Shepherds, taking a cue from police turning those attack dogs on hapless blacks. Dogs were specially trained to put colored people as below in the hierarchy, so they actually get to the targets with viciousness to be believed.
This will continue, till they actually are civilized in true sense and not just for window dressing.

P.s: Even talk of eviction, clearly puts focus on where the reprisal justice is targeted, in the ghettos and projects. Although, there were many people in Manchester and other places who do not belong to the ghettos.
But look, there is nothing to see. this riots are not racial by any means so pontificates the wise.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Aug 2011 22:51

Singha wrote:this whole matter and aftermath is surely the subject of a ongoing case study in the neo-caliphate areas. eminent minds upto university prof level would be mulling over how best to proceed now.

Lalmohan, pls keep track of how far the GoUK move to evict convicted looters and rioteers from publicly funded free or subsidized housing goes....the argument could be made it would be harsh on the siblings and parents not involved at all in the misdeeds of one - smacks of british/paki style collective punishment on the NWFP. afterall, would the same thing be enforced on the families of other 'regular' criminals?

it wont happen, already there is a petition out to save the woman who was being threatened with eviction - her son was the looter

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Aug 2011 04:19

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... d-son.html

harrowing details of a 15 year old boy raping a 13 year old girl during London riots emerge..!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... oters.html

Liberal democrats revolt against Cameroon's plan of evicting parents of rioters from council houses

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -flat.html

The mother of an alleged looter who faces eviction from her flat now says her son is the victim of police brutality as police prepares to come clean on the case..!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr ... 37832.html

Riots: the political battle lines are drawn-David Cameron blames children without fathers and schools without discipline, while Ed Miliband blames bankers and MPs for failing to set a better example for society

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 15 Aug 2011 07:27

Agree with singhasur that many are keenly watching the 'justice' dispensary post-riots. There'll be calibrated attempts to test boundaries and muddy the airwaves. Good, good. This is just the prologue to a long tale yet to come. Let the assterity measures kick in, teeth and all. UKstan is somewhat protected temporarily due to 2 factors - (i) having its own printable currency unlike eurostan and (ii) having gilts with much longer maturities than the avg sovereign bond.

The 2nd will be tested in a few yrs at the most. In the meantime with a fiscal deficit kissing 10% of GDP (was 12% at its pristine prime), the assterity will start to bite the most disposable sections of society. Hence, watch out for the order of priority in which services and benefits are cut and who's most affected by these measures.

Much like KSA, uber TFTA champions of rights and freedoms like UKstan and Fwance have essentially bought off the dissent, disorderliness and rage of the underclass with generous dollops of cash. Now lets see what happens when the cash starts to run out. I continue to hold my med-to-long term prediction for eurostan - a civil war zone with no-go areas for both the native TFTAs and the demographically rising and confident muslim minorities. I know, sounds like a far cry, but the way things are moving, things'll get there aaj nahi toh kal. Perhaps. Who knows? Wait and watch. Only.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Aug 2011 12:31

Ha!Ha! Lal,very true.However,as Cameron tries to come to terms with hs crisis and speaks about the UK's "moral failure",we must contrast this with our very own PM wheo refuses to acknowledge the corruption within his own ranks.At least in the UK public outrage has an effect as we saw when British MPs had to resign for fudging their expenses,that too for a few petty pounds!. Have we seen anything near that happen in India when crores upon crores of almost incalculable wealth of the nation has been looted by the smug UPA scamsters? The bragaddacio of the UPA is astounding and their attempts to brazen it out instead of facing upto the truth will devour them at the next election.No prisoners will be taken!

Here's another crime crisis in the UK,this time in Jersey.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... rders.html

Police shaken over Jersey stabbing murders
As news breaks about the brutal murder of six people on Jersey, the head of the police on the island admits his force has been 'shaken' by the news.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Aug 2011 12:35

the jersey incident looks like a domestic incident - and not symptomatic of ailing britain
read an article recently which lays the blame of the UK's issues on incompetence and the tolerance of incompetence rather than corruption per se (although it clearly exists) - driven by mediocrity and risk aversion

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 15 Aug 2011 12:53

One argument being put forth by some is that how come there is no jail for bankers who bankrupted British banks to the tune of billions,with banker's bonuses still being paid out,and the outrage against those who looted shoes,clothing,telly's ,etc.? "Aven't they got the same rights innit"? Jere is a new item that will rock the UK,the Cabinet Sec. no less ,accused of cocnealing massive fraudulent expenditure by his tribe.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... d-use.html

Cabinet Secretary accused of trying to cover-up government credit card use
Sir Gus O’Donnell, Britain's most senior civil servant, has been accused of trying to cover up billions of pounds of spending on taxpayer-funded credit cards by officials.

Xcpt:

By James Kirkup, Political Correspondent
15 Aug 2011
The Cabinet Secretary has been drawn into an increasingly acrimonious power struggle between officials and politicians about “government procurement cards”.

The row flared up as it was disclosed that House of Commons staff have used similar credit cards for £1.5 million of spending on items including luxury hotels, wine and restaurant meals.

Records show that last year their purchases included shoes for £94, an £885 food mixer and £189 of French lessons.

The disclosure led to calls for greater restraint among Commons officials.

The Commons cards are similar to the more numerous cards used by staff in Whitehall departments and agencies. There are 140,000 such procurement cards in circulation and civil servants used them to spend £1 billion last year alone. However, few details of their use are made public. Sir Gus is said to have helped block the publication of many details of Whitehall civil servants’ use of taxpayer-funded credit cards.

The Daily Telegraph reported in May that Conservative ministers were alarmed at the use of government credit cards by Whitehall officials and other public sector staff. Details of some spending was revealed. Officials at the Department for Communities and Local Government spent thousands of pounds at some of the country’s top restaurants and bought theatre and exhibition tickets.

Some other departments have refused to provide a full breakdown of their spending on the cards. That led to a joint campaign by The Daily Telegraph and the TaxPayers’ Alliance to force government departments to release details.

In response, Francis Maude, the Cabinet Office minister, announced last month that civil servants would be forced to publish all spending.

However, it emerged yesterday that the final publication scheme being devised will mean that many items of spending will remain secret.

Coalition sources say that senior civil servants have tried to block a far-reaching disclosure of all spending on credit cards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... lapse.html

UK riots: David Cameron confronts Britain's 'moral collapse'
David Cameron is to promise to confront the “moral collapse” in British society that led to last week’s riots and try to assert his authority over police chiefs who have publicly attacked him.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Aug 2011 13:31

If It wasn't Cameroon's govt, pounds would have touched Rs 60 each by now, I agree that it is severely looked down upon if a cheating or dishonesty is caught in UK society unlike ours hence Cameroon's clamour about social/moral breakdown and debate. having said that response of Ed Miliband is like our own Mayawati or Lalu yadav where he seems to be giving in to populist demand of keep riots off by throwing bones at underclass and advocating no cuts though their finance can't take it.

Any one who has seen this underclass knows that they are completely detached from the out side world living in an insular world, their general behaviour is as if the world owes them some thing.

And not to miss these lovely articles where London is reeling under Olympics pressure-

Motorists fume as Olympic rehearsal closes capital's roads

It will take several hours for car and bus transportation across London once several roads are closed next year for athletic events.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 15 Aug 2011 14:18

Pak spies in the house of commons

the group is alleged to have been promoting Pakistani interests in the long-running conflict between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan over the disputed border region of Kashmir, using millions of dollars of covert funding.

The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Fai was also director of the Justice Foundation based in Bloomsbury, central London, alongside three British men and two Indian nationals, one of them based in Saudi Arabia.

Pakistani spies have been operating a front organisation in London to exert political pressure on the government

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Aug 2011 14:24

IndraD wrote:Pak spies in the house of commons

the group is alleged to have been promoting Pakistani interests in the long-running conflict between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan over the disputed border region of Kashmir, using millions of dollars of covert funding.

The Daily Telegraph can disclose that Fai was also director of the Justice Foundation based in Bloomsbury, central London, alongside three British men and two Indian nationals, one of them based in Saudi Arabia.
Pakistani spies have been operating a front organisation in London to exert political pressure on the government

WIth NAC persons Help.

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 15 Aug 2011 22:44

IndraD wrote:This pic shows how close riots broke out to olympics venue

You do realise that the image is pointing the wromng way. Principle venue is due south not north.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 16 Aug 2011 00:29

Lisa wrote:
IndraD wrote:This pic shows how close riots broke out to olympics venue

You do realise that the image is pointing the wromng way. Principle venue is due south not north.

It is still close-see this from WSJ

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/08/1 ... ts-warily/

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 16 Aug 2011 01:02

Why takleef over non issues?

Stratford was looted just like many other places in the capital. Delhi for all the negative press it gets is 400% safer than Londonabad

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 16 Aug 2011 12:15

IndraD wrote: It is still close-see this from WSJ

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2011/08/1 ... ts-warily/

I doubt you have ever been to London or the UK else you would understand why your defence is feeble.