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rohitvats wrote:.Important thing is, they overlook the river valley below.
Makes sense if this was the original task of these bunkers since the entry 'doors' are open to the road and the gun slits are facing the valley below. However every single bunker I saw in AP was either demolished, overrun by jungle growth, in disrepair or otherwise uninhabitable and there is absolutely no sign at all that the army plans to "dig in" if hostilities break out, contrary to what the guys told VicB. There are a large number of bunkers on the Bumla-Tawang section but they too are very old and in similar condition even though they are right by the roadside. This is interesting and somehow does not surprise me. I got the feeling that every square meter is zeroed in by guns and missiles in Bhutan, AP and Assam. There is no need for old fashioned defensive positions like bunkers and that is why they are ignored. Even the passes and mule tracks that could be infiltrated as they were in '62 are probably covered. Add the air bases in Assam and there is no way that PLA could stroll in to be challenged by Indian soldiers in roadside bunkers.

What stands out is the artillery--it is everywhere and out in the open, not hidden away like one would expect. Foreign tourists from everywhere come and go casually throughout the season, including a surprising number of trekkers and adventure sports types (kayaking, rafting). However there are "No Photography" signs when passing thru camps and gun emplacements and the drivers/guides are sensitive to it.
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Victor wrote: What stands out is the artillery--it is everywhere and out in the open, not hidden away like one would expect. Foreign tourists from everywhere come and go casually throughout the season, including a surprising number of trekkers and adventure sports types (kayaking, rafting). However there are "No Photography" signs when passing thru camps and gun emplacements and the drivers/guides are sensitive to it.
8) Sounds like they deliberately want these to be seen, noted and photographed
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^^^ unlike North Korea where they have literally hidden an Army of guns in the earth.
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I need some help with some research please.

Can anyone ID the JAT unit in this photo http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORC ... 6.jpg.html

Thank you
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the gun is a Boys anti-tank rifle...that's all i can tell
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These are photos of captured Chinese guns from the war museum in Tawang. Neither of these looked familiar and I was able to ID this one as the Danish Madsen M50 9mm. The label below it reads "CMG 7.62 mm Chinese" & I don't know what "CMG" stands for.
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This picture shows a very crude looking SMG which is also labeled "CMG" and it seems to be a Beretta Model 38.
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If the IDs are correct, it's interesting that the Chinese would use guns all the way from Denmark and Italy of all places when they were flush with Russian PPS type guns after Korea.
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Victor wrote: If the IDs are correct, it's interesting that the Chinese would use guns all the way from Denmark and Italy of all places when they were flush with Russian PPS type guns after Korea.
It gives the clue that the war was sponsored by other countries which may even include a consortium of countries who wanted a war when the cuban crisis was happening.
PRC was the hired gun.
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^^Err or actually it could be mean that the PLA was still using small arms captured from the Kuomintang at the end of the Civil War, including the arms "liberated" from the Kuomintang forces that fought in neighbouring Yunnan/Burma right up to 1954.

The NRA used small arms from Germany, Russia, Austria, Switzerland, Italy... a whole host of suppliers. When they were booted off the mainland, the PLA came to into possession of most of these arms. SMGs were especially likely to be 'passed on' because they tended to use either 9mm Parabellum (Sten, MP40, Beretta, M3...) or 7.62mm Soviet (PPS, PPSh). In that time frame, only a few used the .45 ACP - notably the Thompson.
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In fact, in the NRA you would not be surprised to find German-trained regiments equipped with stahlhelms and G98 rifles fighting alongside Brodie-helmeted regiments equipped with Springfield M1903s.
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Some of the photos clicked at Palam IAF museum. Clicked from cell camera.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=39KTCUSR Mig 21
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LS6MCK3A Mig 21 photo on display
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3X7I9Y4T Captured Tank
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G1QUR0P6 Fuel tanks
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8DBL6Y44 PAF guns
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VikB wrote:Some of the photos clicked at Palam IAF museum. Clicked from cell camera.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=39KTCUSR Mig 21
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LS6MCK3A Mig 21 photo on display
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3X7I9Y4T Captured Tank
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=G1QUR0P6 Fuel tanks
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=8DBL6Y44 PAF guns
Sasr - please upload to a site where we can just view the pics without having to wait for a download ticket.
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Jaeger wrote:^^Err or actually it could be mean that the PLA was still using small arms captured from the Kuomintang at the end of the Civil War, including the arms "liberated" from the Kuomintang forces that fought in neighbouring Yunnan/Burma right up to 1954.

The NRA used small arms from Germany, Russia, Austria, Switzerland, Italy... a whole host of suppliers. When they were booted off the mainland, the PLA came to into possession of most of these arms. SMGs were especially likely to be 'passed on' because they tended to use either 9mm Parabellum (Sten, MP40, Beretta, M3...) or 7.62mm Soviet (PPS, PPSh). In that time frame, only a few used the .45 ACP - notably the Thompson.
What about the ammunition. Did China have the production capability.
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In 1950? I don't know. In 1962? Most definitely. Especially since 9mm & 7.62mm SMG ammo was also used with service pistols such as the Browning (used by US-equipped NRA forces in Burma) and the Tokarev (Soviet-supplied to PLA).

I'm practically 100% certain that these examples represent the detritus of the continuous warfare that raged in China from 1931 to 1950, and have nothing to do with some vast international conspiracy.
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IAF's & Navy's MiG-29's being assembled at Lukhovitsy

http://www.aame.in/2011/08/mig-29.html
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Induction of Arjun Tanks in 75 Armoured Regiment
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what's that tank in the middle doen't look like t72 is it t55 ????
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tushar_m wrote:what's that tank in the middle doen't look like t72 is it t55 ????
Yes it is :)
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I am surprised to see a T-55. I thought they are kept in reserves.
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A Sharma wrote:Induction of Arjun Tanks in 75 Armoured Regiment
Please look at the formation sign on the Arjun Tank.

What does that tell you?
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rohit, please elaborate. all I can see is a golden mace and the number 221.

btw, did people notice the snorkel for fording ?
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rohitvats wrote:Please look at the formation sign on the Arjun Tank.
What does that tell you?
Dont even know where to look :oops:

Rahul M wrote:btw, did people notice the snorkel for fording ?
Is it a removable, collapsible?
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rohitvats wrote:
A Sharma wrote:Induction of Arjun Tanks in 75 Armoured Regiment
Please look at the formation sign on the Arjun Tank.

What does that tell you?
That its part of the 29ID??? And is part of the Division's Indep Armored Brigade, under Div HQ???

Rohitmiyan,
Thanks for pointing it.. I completely missed that..
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Rahul M wrote:rohit, please elaborate. all I can see is a golden mace and the number 221.

btw, did people notice the snorkel for fording ?
Sir, that is not Golden Mace but Battle Axe Division aka 12 Infantry Division. Based in Jodhpur. 29th ID has the Silver Mace as its formation sign and is based in Pathankot.

Now, coming to more pertinent matter - gentlemen, there is your proof that 12 ID is the 5th RAPID of Indian Army. The Jaisalmer based 140 Armored Brigade is part of 12 ID and is not an (I) Armored Bde., as I had opined earlier (sorry for that). 4th Armored Bde is the (I) Armored Bde of 12 Corps, along with 340(I) Mechanized Bde.

As Suman Sharma reported on her blog, 4th ID is under conversion as the 6th RAPID. That should address the imbalance in mechanization with-in 1 Strike Corps to some extent.
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Bala Vignesh wrote:
rohitvats wrote: Please look at the formation sign on the Arjun Tank.

What does that tell you?
That its part of the 29ID??? And is part of the Division's Indep Armored Brigade, under Div HQ???

Rohitmiyan,
Thanks for pointing it.. I completely missed that..
BV, (I) formations are not under any division; the reason they are called independent is because they come directly under Corps HQ or some other higher formation (Command HQ/AHQ).
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@ Aditya, removable.

thanks a lot rohit, neonlight me had discounted golden axe thinking it is an ID so won't have arjun. so 6 RAPIDs ! that's quite a punch, I hope we add another armd div as well.
what do you think of the possibility that IA will use the BMP-2's at the lower end of mechanization once the replacement ICV's are there ?

p.s. why the sir ?
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^^^Possible on BMP-2 thing. What will matter is the net rate of induction i.e. new induction less old phasing out. If this number is positive, we might well see higher degree mechanization in IA. Also, lets see what happens on Stryker or similar vehicle front.
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Independence Day Pics

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SPG with their toys fully bared:

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rohitvats wrote:
Rahul M wrote:rohit, please elaborate. all I can see is a golden mace and the number 221.

btw, did people notice the snorkel for fording ?
Sir, that is not Golden Mace but Battle Axe Division aka 12 Infantry Division. Based in Jodhpur. 29th ID has the Silver Mace as its formation sign and is based in Pathankot.

Now, coming to more pertinent matter - gentlemen, there is your proof that 12 ID is the 5th RAPID of Indian Army. The Jaisalmer based 140 Armored Brigade is part of 12 ID and is not an (I) Armored Bde., as I had opined earlier (sorry for that). 4th Armored Bde is the (I) Armored Bde of 12 Corps, along with 340(I) Mechanized Bde.

As Suman Sharma reported on her blog, 4th ID is under conversion as the 6th RAPID. That should address the imbalance in mechanization with-in 1 Strike Corps to some extent.
Rohit bhai you always bring a smile on my lips wid ur detailed explanations... Hats off to ur knowledge and information bout IA.
By the way aap toh jab se delhi gaye b'lore/Embassy Golf links walon ko bhool hi gaye???
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Singh wrote: <SNIP> Rohit bhai you always bring a smile on my lips wid ur detailed explanations... Hats off to ur knowledge and information bout IA. By the way aap toh jab se delhi gaye b'lore/Embassy Golf links walon ko bhool hi gaye???
Singh bro, good to hear from you and you're welcome. :D

And guess what, the only other day I was reminiscing about Bangalore and the 1st BR meet that I'd attended!!!

BTW, where have you been? Long time, no see...

As for the post, well, if it makes you, and others happy (and more informed), it was worth posting it.
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this must be the longest available unmorphed train of Arjuns. Photographed during the handover ceremony

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308484/misc/201 ... un-MBT.JPG

if only it didn't look all decked up to get married
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^^^ those two lemons look so tiny amongst those tracks, compared to the normal bus tires I am used to seeing 'em and rather cute 8)
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The decoration is so traditional (won't be surprised if it was some pyt) pink plates with green borders and all that gajra. Appah. :D
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Apt celebration of valor :D
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IAF MiG-29UPG @ MAKS

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^^^

I used to feel similarly, but have warmed up to the new look --- gives a mini-Flanker like arch to the fuselage.
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^^ Think i'm gonna take a lot longer (if at all) to garam-up to it :|


Some rare photos from Ambala AFS by Liam:

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Thanks Vishal sir, for the link.

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Wow!!! She sure is a beauty..
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Hello. It’s time for that annual ritual again. Has anyone managed to access snaps of the SPG at Red Fort including the heavily armed counter assault team?
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