The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 17 Aug 2011 21:59

Dhiman wrote:I see the following points to pursue and take away from this fiasco:

1. Each city in the country must have a large central preassigned place where people can exercise their fundamental right to protest without seeking any permission from ANYONE in any way. Right of protest should be unrestricted, with the government only stepping in to ensure that adequate facilities are made available at all times to facilitate such protests.

What if two different groups want to protest at the same time, what if there is expected to be a big rally and the police is busy due to a cricket match, some dignitary or some other event. What if some group completes monopolizes it everyday to the detriment of others.

Let us not go overboard with rhetoric

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 17 Aug 2011 22:12

2 paisa from me:

From my own post here: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1146246

vishvak wrote:
... What I make out of INC is that INC sees to it that the core of the top remains clean. With time INC will keep the show of the 'chalta hai' attitude (not for its core though) when all of its allies one by one will fall for it at different times and places. Then INC will begin slowly let CBI etc do their job, take as much credit as possible while at it, but in a manner that the allies are in no position to bargain nor to point/accuse anything. In this manner, the credibility of allies decreases at the cost of the remaining secular INC.

A key idea here is that is national institutions like CBI/CAG works well, it is the nation that gets credit. In the absence of CBI/CAG unable/don't work, it is the INC that takes credit for everything over time and place. For example, a Chief Justice of India, who authored a judgment guaranteeing CBI autonomy, says here clearly (http://www.indianexpress.com/news/incre ... i/445568/0) about his doubts of supposed-inability-of CBI to do the duty. The same can be said of many such institutions.

Another example is the next Jan Lokpal Bill that would come along the way. As in Karnataka, the lokpal will be slowed down by INC to gain the maximum mileage while media will ignore mention of INC/allies as convenient. When lokpal, as an example, at state/nation level starts working efficiently, it is the nation that gets credit, not political parties.

What I want to put forth is that a lot of corruption and problems are because of this gray areas where people in the national organizations do not work well, or work only as per direction of ruling party regardless of available mandate/autonomy and claim that they are helpless.

These corrupt people are eating into national efficiency, credit and credibility for political gains.

A pertinent question could be therefore, according to me, has national credibility increased by such national organizations that are run by people's money and not politicians'. That could be a way to understand this in certain directions. The corrupt people at CBI, etc. are as much a problem as INC. who live by squandering credibility of nation.

In other words, if Lokpal comes into effect,

1) It is the national credit that will increase, and credit of leeches will decrease.

2) There will be no kingdom left to leech off democracy in credit footage and wealth, for the king in waiting. The baba will inherit a democracy where everyone is answerable including INC. At the most baba will only make a show of taking credit, the way credit is leeched off those who brought R.T.I.

3) Imagine a Lokpal asking anyone amongst the fake Gandhis: "why were you silent" or sends a notice on a line "why you should not be prosecuted, answer within a week time". The whole pack of cards that political parties are more important that Govt.itself instead of part, in India will come down hard.

VinayB · Post by **VinayB** » 17 Aug 2011 22:16

Virupaksha wrote:
Dhiman wrote:I see the following points to pursue and take away from this fiasco:

1. Each city in the country must have a large central preassigned place where people can exercise their fundamental right to protest without seeking any permission from ANYONE in any way. Right of protest should be unrestricted, with the government only stepping in to ensure that adequate facilities are made available at all times to facilitate such protests.

What if two different groups want to protest at the same time, what if there is expected to be a big rally and the police is busy due to a cricket match, some dignitary or some other event. What if some group completes monopolizes it everyday to the detriment of others.

Let us not go overboard with rhetoric

In the Dravida land, when one Dravida party went on a 'hunger strike', another Dravida party went on a 'eating strike' right opposite. We must have large preassigned but separate places for such innovations. will someone take this to the honorable SC and get a progressive judgment please?

But notice - incumbent government's corruption has been so effectively taken out of focus, and people go off tangents. There was one person peddling an idea for UPA-3 pleading for RG to take over on this thread. So, what is Team Anna really about?

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 17 Aug 2011 22:24

^

The problem is with the channel you are watching, not team anna. As a thumb rule, avoid NDTV & CNNIBN stable.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 17 Aug 2011 22:25

As per VBG, PC asked prince to STFU.

VinayB · Post by **VinayB** » 17 Aug 2011 22:34

This interview of HDFC's Parekh can give some insights into the change happening now - I dont think the link was posted on this thread before

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busine ... 886-0.html

The references to 'land land land', and 'crony come latelies' are interesting. If a business head (along with 14 or so other business heads) talk so openly about things, I would imagine there is much more private talk going on.

And that could explain the motive behind planting a Gandhi and mop up resident anger in voters (like candle lights after terror strike, led by media chant of all politicians are bad, dont politicise terror). Otherwise, how to explain

1. Anna going on a fast exactly between world cup final and IPL start? and an event with a few hundred participants at best getting hysterical non-stop coverage on TV?

2. Anna dealing with 0-loss Sibal for joint drafting - keep opposition entirely out. Very democratic. And write letters to madam.

May be somewhere along the line script got hijacked. Yesterday's refusal to come out of jail, causing Prince's name to be taken in vain. Now there is anger, even Amreeka not spared.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 17 Aug 2011 22:40

Muppalla wrote:
Vasu wrote:Reuters calls it India's Arab spring. So the current UpeeA governmint is equal equal with Hosni, Basher, Ben Ali and Gaddafi!
With Madam Sonia being lapatha (escaped from Nation ) and crowds wearing jeans on the street, we can say it is India's Arap spring or even fight against India's Ferdinand Marcos.

However there are two serious thoughts from an "India as a country" situation. There is a long shot view of Indonesia's model being executed on India. (CT haters do not read)
(1) Using all sorts of means and EVM fraud - UPA government was planted on India (Suharto government)
(2) Ensures the pilliage and plunder of India's wealth so that Indian commoner will be mad as hell and will do blindly anything
(3) Given the safe passage to the leader to unknow destination
(4) Create a Arap spring using a Gandhian leader so that the mad blind jeans wearing ITVity crowd becomes part of the overthrow the government. However, ensure all the foreign agents, ISI agents and those who want to use plebicite/referundums behind the Gandhian.
(5) Next use one of these worthies to start a political party - Yet to happen. (this is post Suharto phase - Abdul Wajid == Prashan bushan??)
(6) One of the worthies will form the government and conducts plebicite in JK and signs no-Nukes for India. Will be part of all no-development and all-environment treaties

The jeans clad ITVity can enjoy the pubs.

Muppalla guru, just read what you're posting boss. This looks like fresh out of a Paki YYY conspiracy piece. Don't go overboard with the insult of intelligence of a billion Indians. While there may be several angles to AH's movement, rest assured an Arvind Kejriwal or Bhushan is never going to sweep elections or become PM and sell off Kashmir and Indian nukes.

Get a hold, sir ji!

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Aug 2011 22:53

Reactions pour from world media

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... hul-gandhi

The answer perhaps lies in the attempted projection of Congress party general secretary and heir apparent Rahul Gandhi as a moderate face sympathising with public disenchantment, at the expense of the prime minister, Manmohan Singh. Why else would the young leader be credited with the decision to rescind Hazare's detention order? True, the cabinet was facing the dilemma of having to protect Hazare's life from an indefinite hunger strike on the one hand, and interfering with the right to protest on the other. Events on the ground, however, closely match a prepared succession script that envisages easing out the incumbent executive some time before the 2014 general election. Since the youngest offspring of the Nehru family is in no mood to lose credibility, the party and the dynasty might be seeking to quarantine Singh's successor from any genuine future inquiry conducted by an autonomous body.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld ... 9786.story

Despite Hazare's popularity, even government critics and anti-graft activists question some of his ideas. Placing this much power in a new, non-elective office that could itself become a conduit for corruption is not necessarily the answer, they say, arguing instead for better law enforcement and governance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14525149

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Aug 2011 23:05

{Edited the crass Kumarswamy cartoon}

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 17 Aug 2011 23:17

Chandragupta wrote: Muppalla guru, just read what you're posting boss. This looks like fresh out of a Paki YYY conspiracy piece. Don't go overboard with the insult of intelligence of a billion Indians. While there may be several angles to AH's movement, rest assured an Arvind Kejriwal or Bhushan is never going to sweep elections or become PM and sell off Kashmir and Indian nukes. Get a hold, sir ji!

I just threw a story that looks fitting in the sequence with wild assumptions. While I myself don't beleive it can happen, I will not be surprised if someone tries to run such models on India exploiting the situation.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Aug 2011 23:41

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 7#p1148727 rediff by jagga
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1148729 TOI by pranav

Congress: why is U.S. propping up Hazare? Hindu

All have the same congress spokesperson Rashid Alvi - each add a bit masala to their news to spice it up.

Hindu goes further typical of a communist rag--

The Congress on Wednesday cast doubts on the U.S. role in Anna Hazare's anti-corruption campaign and wanted the Manmohan Singh Government to probe the “forces” employing the Internet to further the movement.

“Why was it necessary for the United States to promote Anna Hazare? It raises doubts …The U.S. has never commented on such a movement anywhere[else] in the world … we should take it seriously, we cannot ignore this,” party spokesman Rashid Alvi said here.

The Congress said the social activist was not a member of any party. Neither had any organisation launched a movement of this magnitude. Which were the powers sending the Internet messages and SMS?

Even though some 100 countries became independent after India had achieved freedom, their stature had not risen as high as India's, Mr. Alvi argued. He did not identify the countries.

Referring to the raging debate in cyberspace supporting Mr. Hazare's campaign against corruption, the spokesman said the government should find out who were the forces behind the movement. “Which are the forces [behind it]? We should expose it. Why is the U.S. supporting this [movement], the Government should find out and also who are the forces operating within the country.”

Asked whether the government shared his view, the spokesman said he was speaking on behalf of the party.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Aug 2011 23:43

Must be Internet Hindus took over US

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Aug 2011 23:51

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 5#p1148865 by krisna
regarding internet ~~hindus~~ upsetting congress govt.

Social media abuzz with support for Anna

The internet is abuzz with Anna Hazare’s crusade against corruption. There are almost 2,11,084 likes for Anna Hazare page on social networking site Facebook. By the time Anna Hazare was detained by the Delhi Police on Tuesday, over 500 pages were dedicated to the Gandhian and his anti-corruption campaign. People from various walks of life are showing their solidarity with Anna’s cause of eradicating corruption through the social media.

A random Google search on Anna Hazare returned 13,800,000 results (in 0.09 seconds), more than Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi's 11,700,000 results (0.08 seconds), than Congress general secretary Rahul Gandhi's 1,170,000 results (0.08 seconds) or that of Congress president Sonia Gandhi's 1,160,000 results (0.08 seconds). BJP president Nitin Gadkari returned a poor 793,000 results (0.06 seconds).

MS Dhoni's elder brother bats for Anna Hazare

As support for Anna Hazare poured in for the second day today in Jharkhand, Team India Captain MS Dhoni's elder brother Narendra Singh Dhoni pitched in for the Gandhian saying his demand for a strong Lokpal bill should be accepted by the Centre in its totality.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Aug 2011 00:23

Anna likely to be taken to AIIMS or RML Hospital. On all news channels. His supporters are not allowing any ambulance to get into Tihar.

In other development Kiran Bedi & Kejriwal have gone to see police chief at his home.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 18 Aug 2011 00:26

ramana wrote:Must be Internet Hindus took over US

R. alvi have been interesting man from his younger days when he was thin young man , working with Shahi Hammam of Delhi .

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Aug 2011 01:03

Congress might be in deep trouble if it doesn't resolve crisis now

Let it be said and said upfront that the movement unleashed by Anna Hazare is not against Parliament or the parliamentary system of governance as is being sought to be portrayed by an effete Prime Minister and the Congress’s publicists who lack etiquette and basic manners and believe that being rude and crude helps make their party and the Government look virtuous and righteous. It is abundantly clear whom the protesters are targeting; if it is not clear to Mr Singh and his men, then the fault lies with them. There is time yet to contain a severe blowback and prevent the situation from turning ugly and uncontrollable. There is time still for Mr Singh to salvage what remains of his image of an honest man which now lies in tatters. The Congress must stop playing a duplicitous game of good cop, bad cop; the Government must exercise restraint and retreat from the confrontationist position it has take

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 18 Aug 2011 01:10

Never expected twice in life time INC will mess up so badly that there is need for admonition form old timers.

AH movement is really shaking the INC foundation and the top doesn't ken.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 18 Aug 2011 01:25

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?731606

...and look who just came to the party!

BSP supremo and Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati today said that her party extends support to social activist Anna Hazare in his campaign against corruption.

"BSP and its government in UP is against corruption and criminalisation of the politics since beginning and the party supports Anna Hazare in his campaign," Mayawati said in a statement issued here.

She said that not only Anna Hazare and 'India Against Corruption', the party welcomes all the organisations which are protesting against corruption and criminalisation of politics.

"The manner in which Anna Hazare and his supporters were arrested from their residence in Delhi yesterday was not correct from democratic point of view," Mayawati said.

Mauryan · Post by **Mauryan** » 18 Aug 2011 01:34

Kiran Bedi Tweets just now

Anna has accepted the DP permission for two weeks. Anna now shall be at the Ramlila grd post 3 PM

sourab_c · Post by **sourab_c** » 18 Aug 2011 01:36

Rajiv Pratap Rudy of BJP rips Congress's argument apart. He asks why separatists were freely allowed to hold conferences 3km from PM's house about breaking up the nation and nobody was there to arrest them. (He begins at 21:00 min in the video)

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... ons/208171

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Aug 2011 01:36

AICC spokesman, Rashid Alvi's, drawing of USA into this episode is adding more twists to the saga. It is a common consensus among observers and even BRFites that USA interferes in another country's internal affairs to suit its needs. So a party official playing the 'foreign hand' and citing USA is very interesting. I remember in those days 'foreign hand' usually meant 'Pakistan'. It took several years for leaders to publicly associate Pakistan with terrorism. While everybody knew what they meant, they always beat round the bush. INC is going all out without gloves. Interesting.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 18 Aug 2011 01:40

What if brother 1000-e is a Kangress paudha?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Aug 2011 01:43

Isn't it ironical that media faithful to congress like ToI have come out with criticism of UPA? Looks like media is realising that more that they needing ruling party it is the other way rounf. Even newspapers like HT which are hard core supporter of Congress have published this-
Congress incapable of governance

Any way this pic must have given heart burn to Chidu - BR stealing a thunder outside Tihar

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 18 Aug 2011 01:44

SwamyG wrote:AICC spokesman, Rashid Alvi's, drawing of USA into this episode is adding more twists to the saga. It is a common consensus among observers and even BRFites that USA interferes in another country's internal affairs to suit its needs. So a party official playing the 'foreign hand' and citing USA is very interesting. I remember in those days 'foreign hand' usually mean 'Pakistan'. It took several years for leaders to publicly associate Pakistan with terrorism. While everybody knew what they meant, they always beat round the bush. INC is going all out without gloves. Interesting.

They go to US academics for sociology and market when needed. They want to push western values down the Indian society and then berate BJP for being orthodox.
Here now they are accusing the same nation for interfering inside India.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Aug 2011 01:44

We need CBI inquiry into all transactions that our italian family has made.. btw, the benamis are now legal.. doubt, we can get anything now.. all swindled.. vadhra would appear a slum boy now.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 18 Aug 2011 02:01

I am curious to see what all those who kept parroting MMS's integrity like Zakaria et all have now to say.

I cringe everytime I see MMS -

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Aug 2011 02:23

Prem wrote:
ramana wrote:Must be Internet Hindus took over US
R. alvi have been interesting man from his younger days when he was thin young man , working with Shahi Hammam of Delhi .

Looks like he's been working with Shahi Korma for a while now. Also, isn't he the guy who called POK "Azad Kashmir"?

nusub: What's the general opinion of 'Baba Ramdev' ?

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Aug 2011 02:24

Surya wrote:I am curious to see what all those who kept parroting MMS's integrity like Zakaria et all have now to say.

I cringe everytime I see MMS -

Do his (MMS) lips move?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Aug 2011 02:27

Cosmo_R wrote:
Surya wrote:I am curious to see what all those who kept parroting MMS's integrity like Zakaria et all have now to say.

I cringe everytime I see MMS -
Do his (MMS) lips move?

Was it told to move?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Aug 2011 02:30

^^^ BR was not allowed to meet AH inside Tihar so he addressed the rally outside. Also he has pledged full support to AH-He also met the president on the issue.

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ramde ... 143?slider

Also - BR back in Delhi

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/baba- ... ent-114909

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Aug 2011 02:32

Speaking of MMS!

First hand account from an impeccable source.

I am told that Tushar Gandhi (grandson of MKG) approached MMS, personally, to ask for funding from Mahatma Gandhi National Memorial Trust (a Central Govt. managed organization, also known as Gandhi Qaumi Yaadgar Fund) for a small but dedicated project.

The project was to create a digital archive of all of Gandhiji's correspondences, journals and uncollected writings. Very much within the ambit of MGNMT's mission, as you can imagine, and not all that expensive either.

Tushar Gandhi managed to get face-time with MMS to put in a personal request, and was sure that he would not be refused. But he was refused. Why? Because even for such a small thing as this (maximum cost, maybe 50-60 lakhs?) MMS is not allowed to give his OK. MMS told Tushar Gandhi, to his face, that he is helpless to give approval... all such decisions must be personally approved by Madam Sonia Maino only.

And this is the Prime Minister of our country!

Forget the fact that some Italian has to give her chhaapa for us to spend our own income tax money, on creating a database of writings by the father of our nation. The implications are far worse than that.

If MMS cannot take an independent decision on such a trivial, trifling matter, can you imagine if a JDAM went off in an Indian city? No chance, absolutely none, that he would be able to authorize retaliation independently.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Aug 2011 02:33

congress govt authorised Anna's arrest

The crackdown on social activist mAnna Hazare and his subsequent arrest is agreeably a blatant misuse of power by the Delhi police. But the decision to arrest him and his aides was not taken by the Delhi police, rediff.com has learnt.
The Delhi police, which directly reports to the Ministry of Home Affairs, took decisions all through after 'consultations' with the ministry.
Highly placed sources told rediff.com that the police were merely following "orders." If sources are to be believed, the whole sequence of events, which ultimately led to Hazare's arrest, was plotted and executed by the central government.

"There was communication between us and the India Against Corruption activists to negotiate the undertaking we demanded from them. This was not successful and we issued prohibitory orders under section 144 after consulting with the MHA," a senior police official said.

What the officer is suggesting is that the government used the Delhi police as an interface between team Anna and themselves.

This is the case even in the present negotiation going on between the police and Hazare inside Tihar Jail.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 18 Aug 2011 02:40

SaiK wrote: Do his (MMS) lips move?

Was it told to move?

Those lips don't lie (Shakira

watch them closely for twitches

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 18 Aug 2011 02:41

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels ... -death-594

Jagan's party alleges conspiracy behind YSR's death

Jaganmohan Reddy-led YSR Congress Party alleged that there was a conspiracy behind the death of Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy in a helicopter crash in September 2009.

Speaking to mediapersons here at the YSR Congress office, party spokeperson Ambati Rambabu alleged that the helicopter crash was ‘contrived’ and there was a conspiracy behind it.

"The government blamed two aviation officers for the crash and conveniently closed the matter," he said.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Aug 2011 02:45

Rudradev wrote: If MMS cannot take an independent decision on such a trivial, trifling matter, can you imagine if a JDAM went off in an Indian city? No chance, absolutely none, that he would be able to authorize retaliation independently.

I do not believe that Rudradev ji; IMO he is just creating that perception.

1. If all decisions are taken by 2G then MMS should stop giving the impression that he is making all those 'nonsensical' statements, like his parliament speech or 8/15 speech, on his own. Instead he should say INC leadership wants this and that.

2. If he is even 1% indian, he should step out in the interests of the nation. By allowing this charade for 8+ years, he became a traitor in this nation. He should face the consequences.

If anyone wants to believe these sobbing stories of MMS thinking that the alternatives are worse than MMS then I can only pity them.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Aug 2011 02:49

The world is watching cautiously

China-

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/w ... 056694.htm

Nationwide protests continued for the second consecutive day on Wednesday against the arrest of anti-graft activist Anna Hazare with political parties holding rallies in various states to press for a strong anti-corruption Jan Lokpal Bill

Australian network news-

http://australianetworknews.com/stories ... tm?desktop
India's government is under intense pressure following a second day of mass protests against corruption.

Thousands of anti-corruption protestors are camped outside Delhi's Tihar jail in support of social activist Anna Hazare.

Guardin UK-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/au ... a-protests

WSJ-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 80366.html

Thousan'd rally behind anti corruption activist

BBC-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14564727

Indian govt in dead lock with AH

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 18 Aug 2011 02:54

ramana wrote:Never expected twice in life time INC will mess up so badly that there is need for admonition form old timers.

AH movement is really shaking the INC foundation and the top doesn't ken.

The sad part is brought out by the last line in the Pioneer edit. Not just Congress but India will pay a price for this.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 18 Aug 2011 02:57

SwamyG wrote:AICC spokesman, Rashid Alvi's, drawing of USA into this episode is adding more twists to the saga. It is a common consensus among observers and even BRFites that USA interferes in another country's internal affairs to suit its needs. So a party official playing the 'foreign hand' and citing USA is very interesting. I remember in those days 'foreign hand' usually meant 'Pakistan'. It took several years for leaders to publicly associate Pakistan with terrorism. While everybody knew what they meant, they always beat round the bush. INC is going all out without gloves. Interesting.

IIRC foreign hand was always code for US not TSP.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 18 Aug 2011 02:59

Earlier, Kiran Bedi stood up and talked to the crowd. She emphasized the fact that Delhi Police have not mistreated the protesters. She reminded that this 'fight' was not against Delhi Police. It was clear she did not want either the protesters or the Delhi police to feel takleef against each other. I suspect she must be conveying the same through her own friends and network to the police force. I again speculate that she would have got some kind of assurances from the Delhi Police. It just takes one stone thrown by one stupid or a mischievous maker to upset the relation. However, if the police went on a lathi charge, it would only antagonize the public in the rest of India.

If INC comes all through this, and wins the next elections, truly hats off to them. {and BJP should close its party and go on a teertha yatra}

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Aug 2011 02:59

RamaY wrote:
Rudradev wrote: If MMS cannot take an independent decision on such a trivial, trifling matter, can you imagine if a JDAM went off in an Indian city? No chance, absolutely none, that he would be able to authorize retaliation independently.
I do not believe that Rudradev ji; IMO he is just creating that perception.

1. If all decisions are taken by 2G then MMS should stop giving the impression that he is making all those 'nonsensical' statements, like his parliament speech or 8/15 speech, on his own. Instead he should say INC leadership wants this and that.

2. If he is even 1% indian, he should step out in the interests of the nation. By allowing this charade for 8+ years, he became a traitor in this nation. He should face the consequences.

If anyone wants to believe these sobbing stories of MMS thinking that the alternatives are worse than MMS then I can only pity them.

RamaY ji,

The story I related about MGNMT took place behind closed doors. It is only by chance that I came to hear of it (from someone who is, in fact, not at all inclined to the BRF-ite mode of political thought.) I have absolutely no reason to believe that this person would make up such a story, if it were not true.

Behind closed doors, in private, MMS directly says that he has no power to make decisions (whether this is a true admission or a false one on MMS' part, I cannot conclude.) In public MMS does not say this, and he pretends that he is making independent decisions as the PM of the country. This suggests that he pretends to make independent decisions in public, because it is the command of his political overlords that he should pretend so.

2. If he is even 1% indian, he should step out in the interests of the nation. By allowing this charade for 8+ years, he became a traitor in this nation. He should face the consequences.

What do you mean by "1% Indian?" Indian, as in belonging to which "India?" There is white-skinned India, white-gloved India and then only SDRE India to which you and I belong. Or first, second and third India as you call them!