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chaanakya wrote:
chetak wrote: No Way!!

Such a situation is not possible as the pilot HAS to mandatory carry extra fuel to reach the diversionary airport which has to be decided based on the weather and / or operational conditions. Any lapse in the above procedure will lead to immediate grounding for the pilot and very serious penalties for the airline.
Ha
I was at the airport .

Aircraft runs out of fuel, lands on closed runway
TNN Jul 20, 2011, 05.41am IST
CHENNAI: A Kingfisher aircraft from Colombo that ran out of fuel landed on a runway closed for maintenance at Chennai airport, on Tuesday. The plane, carrying 132 passengers and six crew members, was scheduled to land at 4.30 pm. But its pilot took special permission from Air Traffic Control (ATC) for the early landing .

A senior AAI official said the pilot of the plane reported the fuel crisis to the ATC and asked for permission to make an early landing.

The ATC officials gave the permission and immediately alerted officials at the apron area, where the runway maintenance work was under way," the official said.

chaanakya ji,

It looks like you have something there.

There are minor variation in the details.

I am presently swamped at work but am asking around to get what ever details I can.
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Chetak ji

It looks like fuel crisis is not something new. In fact for a variety of reasons it happens sometimes.
Do tell us the reason if you find out. I think strong headwinds could be one, but a colombo flight is not that long actually, So something else. I don't want to speculate here.
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chaanakya wrote:Chetak ji

It looks like fuel crisis is not something new. In fact for a variety of reasons it happens sometimes.
Do tell us the reason if you find out. I think strong headwinds could be one, but a colombo flight is not that long actually, So something else. I don't want to speculate here.
chaanakya ji,

The runway at Chennai is closed between 1430 and 1630 on Tuesdays and Saturdays for maintenance purposes. 19 July would have been a Tuesday.

The concerned flight took off a bit early from Colombo and consequently reached Chennai early.

Some argument seems to have occurred between the ATC and the cockpit due to the runway closure and early arrival issue.

The A320 in question had 6-8 tonnes of fuel on board when it touched down.

The captain would anyway have had to carry extra fuel for diversion , go around, missed approach and what not. Had he not done so he would have lost his license.

The captain may have been "asked" to declare an emergency by some officious babu in the tower to let him land early and as a consequence the pilot may have sarcastically opted for a "fuel critical" call. :twisted:

This would have saved the aircraft a lot of fuel which otherwise it would have burned in holding a pattern just to satisfy the ego of a babu.

DGCA has not entered the picture in any way. If it had been any thing other than some drama like this the cockpit crew would have been de rostered immediately and a full fledged investigation would have been started off with the DGCA coming down very heavily both on the crew and the company.

Our DDM just picked up the story and they ran with it for TRP reasons onlee.

HTH :)
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Thanks, makes sense. Though I think all calls to A/C are recorded so arranging Fuel Critical call would be a violation in itself and would have got recorded.
There was some issue with Tower control and though ground crew were scrambled ,a few minutes early landing would not have been allowed so easily.Anyway this news appeared in Times only.
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chaanakya wrote:Thanks, makes sense. Though I think all calls to A/C are recorded so arranging Fuel Critical call would be a violation in itself and would have got recorded.
There was some issue with Tower control and though ground crew were scrambled ,a few minutes early landing would not have been allowed so easily.Anyway this news appeared in Times only.

I don't thnk it was arranged. Both parties were antagonistic and the cockpit reaction may have been out of pique and frustration.

The tower's point was I don't care what emergency you call but if you want to land immediately there has to be some emergency onlee.

BTW,

Yearly awards are handed out to the pilots for best on time departures, minimum fuel burn,
minimum fuel uplift and what not. :D All this data is easily milked from the DFDR.

There are rigid minimas for onboard fuel depending on routing, weather and diversions etc. Usually cockpit crews are overly cautious ( rightly so! ) and always add on their own margins of safety in terms that little bit of extra fuel. These days no captain can easily factor in holding time on the ground or in the air. If at any time he becomes fuel critical it can cost him his job.
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chetak wrote:I don't thnk it was arranged. Both parties were antagonistic and the cockpit reaction may have been out of pique and frustration.

The tower's point was I don't care what emergency you call but if you want to land immediately there has to be some emergency onlee.
Yup! these are the moorakh's with your and my life in their hands. :( Sometimes I wonder why we don't have Singapore style flogging.

Whyfor did they then land in the backup landing strip. You know the out of commission, under maintenance one. :evil:
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Pilot training blamed for 2009 Air France crash

Paris, July 29 : The training of the pilots on an Air France plane, which crashed in 2009 killing 228 people, was partially blamed Friday by a French investigation agency after an analysis of the plane's voice and data recorders, CNN reported.

All 228 people aboard the Airbus A330 Flight 447 from Brazil's Rio de Janeiro to Paris were killed in the crash into the Atlantic Ocean in June 2009
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India protests carbon tax on Europe flights

Come January, your airfare to London will cost €6 (Rs 380) more, thanks to a new carbon tax the European Union (EU) has decided to levy on the aviation sector. This tax will cost India $1 billion (Rs 4,500 crore) a year and with China and the United States, will help Europe make a neat $10 billion a year.

It's not the money but the intention of rich nations behind the tax that has irked emerging economies like India and China, which see it as the beginning of a regressive regime for imposing taxes on developing nations to fight climate change, instead of paying for it themselves.

The UN convention on climate change says rich countries have to pay for any action to reduce carbon emissions in the developing world but so far, they have failed to meet their commitment.
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chetak wrote:There are rigid minimas for onboard fuel depending on routing, weather and diversions etc. Usually cockpit crews are overly cautious ( rightly so! ) and always add on their own margins of safety in terms that little bit of extra fuel. These days no captain can easily factor in holding time on the ground or in the air. If at any time he becomes fuel critical it can cost him his job.
IMO how much fuel to carry falls under load/flight planning and not with the pilots. Though pilots are the final authority who sign the loadsheet and OKs the load plan and they can reject the loadsheet and ask for changes in loadplan if they wish to do so. There is elaborate and highly automated software which takes god knows what variables and calculates the fuel figures/trim/load plan. Though you are right that the min fuel that needs to be carried = taxi fuel + trip fuel + reserve fuel + nearest diversion + ??

Cheers....
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Airline growth to slow as headwinds rise
Are airlines once again flying into rough weather?

Yes, say analysts.

And Sharan Lillaney, analyst with Angel Broking, believes if the situation gets any worse from what it is today, it wouldn’t be very different from three years back, when local carriers shed blood as supply outstripped demand, fuel prices soared and yields dipped on stiff competition.

“If demand doesn’t grow around 15-17% due to any macro or micro (economic) reasons, we would have a 2008 repeat,” he warned.

Demand in the airline industry grew at around 18% last fiscal but analysts are not very bullish about it remaining at the level.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysts Anand Kumar and S Arun, in a note on Wednesday, said demand could slow to 12-13% in the current and next fiscals.

This is “on account of slowing economic growth, airport constraints at key metros such as Mumbai and possible cuts in corporate travel,” they said.

In fact, gradual increase in capacity over the past few months has already pinned down seat load factors of local carriers. Almost all airlines have reported lower load factors in April, May and June this year compared with last year.

For instance, legacy carrier Jet Airways’ load factors are down to 66%, 80% and 78% in those months as against 74%, 83% and 81% last year.

Similarly, JetLite, SpiceJet and IndiGo have also seen their load factors slip from April to June this year.

Kumar and Arun see supply growing 12-15% in the next two fiscal years. “After muted 10% capacity growth in the last fiscal, airlines, led by the low-cost carriers (LCC), are expected to register 12-15% capacity growth in this and next fiscals,” they wrote.
In the next two years, budget airlines IndiGo and SpiceJet together are expected to add 30 aircraft while legacy carriers would add another 10.

“We expect a restricted 3-4% yield expansion (including fuel surcharges) for the industry. This is largely because of higher capacity growth compared to demand growth, irrational pricing by the struggling legacy carriers, high price elasticity due to significant LCC segment growth and a hike in the service tax and user development fee (UDF) at some airports,” the Merrill duo said.

They expect load factors to dip 2-3% with the supply climbing up.
An analyst from a foreign brokerage firm, who did not wish to be named, said the airlines are likely to see a tussle between volume and margins as costs shoot up on rising aviation turbine fuel (ATF) prices, which have already touched around $115 per barrel. Experts expect it to breach $120 per barrel.

“ATF price is going to be the key factor in the coming months. The only way to maintain volume growth is if all airlines maintain fares at current levels and absorb ATF price hike. However, if oil prices increases it would be difficult for airlines to maintain this discipline and may hike fares, which will in turn hit volume growth,” he said.

He does not expect excess supply to be a major issue, as most airlines have a flexible plan and would postpone delivery if they found demand to be lacklustre.

An analyst from a domestic brokerage house said airlines are likely to see the impact of higher ATF prices, capacity addition and irrational fares in September quarter itself.

“With the recent capacity addition that we have seen, there is a lot of under-cutting. The September quarter is lean and a lot of capacity has already been added. On the oil prices side, no ATF price cut is expected from the oil companies. Given the current fare war in the market, it would be difficult to pass it on to consumers. Thus, airlines will have to take a hit,” he said.

According to him, full-service carrier Kingfisher Airlines would be worst hit due to its debt burden.
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India's 17 spectacular international airports
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Big news today....

Star Alliance Puts Air India on an Indefinite Standby
The Center for Asia Pacific Aviation estimated that the company had lost $1.75 billion in the most recent business year, which ended March 31. Air India reported a loss of $1.25 billion for the previous business year.

The Star Alliance network, which allows passengers to accrue frequent flier miles from 27 partner airlines around the world, including United and Singapore Airlines, has about 80 conditions that new airline members need to meet, like computer integration and safety standards.

Last month, Mr. Albrecht said that Air India had passed a safety review by Star Alliance members and expressed optimism that Air India would make a July 31 deadline to meet the remainder of the membership requirements.

Pilots for Air India have complained in a letter to Star Alliance and in statements to the news media that the airline was asking them to fly longer hours than recommended, putting safety at risk.

Air India may need more than $2 billion for a successful turnaround, the Center for Asia Pacific Aviation estimates.

Air India plans to separate its ground operations, restructure its finances and expand its international flights to win new customers. In a presentation to bank lenders in April, the company said that it hoped to increase revenue by $1.1 billion and cut costs by $910 million a year.

Govt angry as Maharaja denied elite club entry
The civil aviation ministry has decided to take on Star Alliance over its decision to suspend Air India's inclusion in its fold. Air India had applied for membership to the Star Alliance in 2007 and was expected to join the elite 27-airline consortium by August this year.

However, civil aviation ministry officials said they were preparing a sternly worded communication to Star Alliance, saying the decision did not reflect the ground reality and the airline had met all the 87 criteria for joining the alliance.

The decision has come as a setback to the ailing airline as joining the alliance would have given it a boost in the international market. It would have been able to provide seamless connectivity to its international passengers. A senior ministry official said Star Alliance officials had a meeting with Air India and ministry representatives on July 18, in which they asked the government to also give Jet Airways the clearance to join the alliance.
Before 2008 and before Air India was less worse than today, this was how it looked like:
Air India - Star Alliance
Kingfisher - OneWorld
Jet - Skyteam

I wonder when the Government of India will decide to take the problems at Air India head on like its planning to do with SA?
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Government to Infuse Funds in Air India

By MUKESH JAGOTA

Tuesday, August 2, 2011

NEW DELHI -- The Indian government will infuse 5 billion rupees ($113.1 million) as equity in loss-making carrier Air India Ltd. this fiscal year, junior Minister for Finance Namo Narain Meena said Tuesday.

The funding will be through two equal installments, Mr. Meena said in a reply to a question in the upper house of parliament.

The government has already infused 20 billion rupees in the state-run carrier as equity in two installments as of March 31.

Mr. Meena said the government has sought parliament's approval to give Air India 4.25 billion rupees as reimbursement for costs incurred for carrying Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and other ministers on overseas trips during 2008-2010.
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Jet has most number of ‘drunk’ pilots

Thu Aug 11 2011, 00:36 hrs New Delhi:

The country’s largest carrier, Jet Airways, now holds the dubious distinction of having the highest number of ‘drunk’ pilots on its rolls since 2009, as per government records.

In pre-flight alcohol tests conducted between January 2009 and June 2011, 29 of its pilots were found “positive”, according to information tabled by Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi in the Lok Sabha. Jet Airways, including its low-cost Jet Lite, accounted for one-third of the total drunk pilots.

Of the total, 20 pilots belonged to Jet Airways and nine to Jetlite. All of them were taken off flying duties for three months on loss of pay and perks. Ten pilots each from liquor baron Vijay Mallya’s Kingfisher Airlines and Rahul Bhatia’s IndiGo reported ‘alcohol positive’, eight from Spice Jet, six from Air India, two from Go Air and one each from Alliance Air and Air India Charters. Ten pilots were sacked in 2009 — three each from IndiGo and Kingfisher, and four from Spice Jet — on being found drunk on duty.
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Lots of interesting rumors on non airline companies in talks to take over airline companies. :)

Sahara -- Spicejet

Reliance ( big brother ) -- Kingfisher.
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Was the Sahara that got sold to Jet a different Sahara?
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Dileep wrote:Was the Sahara that got sold to Jet a different Sahara?
Same group onlee, subroto roy and gang.
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Qantas to axe 1000 jobs as part of its restructuring strategy.
Qantas is also looking to Asia to boost business, with CEO Alan Joyce announcing that the airline "will invest in a new premium airline based in Asia, building on Qantas expertise but with a new name, new aircraft and a new look and feel."

In response to queries regarding the major cuts the changes will make to its workforce, Qantas claims they are "looking to minimise the number of compulsory redundancies wherever possible".
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AI looking for new routes, says Ravi
National carrier Air India will operate flights on new routes as and when an opportunity arrives, the government said Saturday.

"We will take a decision on the new routes when the opportunity comes," Civil Aviation Minister Vayalar Ravi told reporters on the sidelines of an industry event here.

The action on the airline's turnaround and financial restructure plan would be taken after the sub-committee formed to review the plans, submits its report to the group of ministers (GoM) headed by Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, according to Ravi.

The GoM would meet in mid-September, he said.

Recently the GoM extended the airline's credit limit to buy oil from the state-run oil marketing companies (OMCs) by two to three months.

"Now instead of cash and carry, Air India has been given two to three months credit extension by OMCs," Ravi had told reporters after a meeting here of the GoM.

Ravi had added that the assurance for extending the credit limit to buy jet fuel from the OMCs was given by Petroleum Minister S. Jaipal Reddy.

The state-run OMCs had put the flag carrier on a cash and carry basis - which basically means that the airline was required to pay whenever it bought fuel from these companies.

Currently, the airline owes Rs.2,300 crore to the OMCs. It buys Rs.17 crore of fuel daily from them.

The company's inability to pay the dues and rising jet fuel prices had forced OMCs to cut fuel supply to the airline in May end, forcing Air India and its low-cost international subsidiary Air India Express to cancel 147 flights from May 27 to June 2.

The company incurred losses worth Rs.10 crore at that time.

Currently Air India's cumulative losses amount to Rs.22,165 crore, apart from a Rs.22,000 crore debt-burden to buy new aircraft.
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They should look at coming down to OZ from BOM or DEL with the increase in tourist nos to OZ from India, try and pick up the market. Offer cheap fares or packages might attract people. And on the return leg offer onward connecting flights to Europe and attract the Aussie backpackers so there are pax on the way back as well.

Hopefully if they take delivery of the new 787s they prob could use it in this route non-stop and can carry enough pax to fill the seats.
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India's Aviotech set to launch corporate Superjet
Indian corporate and defence aerospace specialist Aviotech is poised to become a launch customer for the business aircraft version of the Sukhoi Superjet 100.

Sukhoi detailed plans for a corporate variant of the twinjet - to be known as the Sukhoi Business Jet (SBJ) - during the Paris air show, and Hyderabad-based Aviotech signed a letter of intent for up to 20 of the type, of which 10 would be firm, at the MAKS air show in Moscow.

Aviotech has a corporate jet services division and is conducting studies on the range of products which it could place on the SBJ, having determined that there is a market for high-level charters with services beyond those normally offered on executive jets.

Sukhoi would deliver the aircraft as green airframes, and they would be completed by Aviotech at a new centre in Hyderabad.

"Each aircraft will be tailored to particular client requirements, but with the intention of dividing the aircraft into several unique zones," said a source familiar with the SBJ agreement.

These zones would include a social area with a bar, an entertainment and cinema area, dining and meeting facilities, a shower and a private state room with sleeping quarters.

"The seating will be better than offered by any airline in first class, with internet and live television facilities, video-on-demand and the very latest in ambient mood lighting."

Sukhoi declared in June that the airframer would press ahead with the SBJ and give more details on the aircraft at the NBAA show in Las Vegas in October.

It envisioned a market for 80 SBJs over 20 years, and added that the baseline cost of the aircraft would be about $50 million.

Superjet International, which markets the Sukhoi aircraft, said it had been "impressed" by a "high number of requests" from VIP customers.

Negotiations have started with cabin equipment suppliers to handle the Aviotech interior, while cabin crew will be trained in Delhi.

Aviotech said it chose the SBJ for its "excellent economic advantages" and "advanced technological features".
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Aussies are way bigger and taller on average than thais, malays and indonesians and until recently probably represented the biggest chunk of tourist traffic for these nations (before india and china amped up).

they carry themselves in minimal clothing to show off big frames and maintain an image of carefree rogue warriors with long hair, shorts, sandals, ian thorpe type physiques and long surfboards in zipped cases. any visitor to bkk/KL/changi would notice them.
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A not so subtle attempt to siphon off revenues. All airlines are objecting to the increased costs at Delhi.

Can you believe that these guys have on their own, increased the cost of jet fuel on the international terminal?? They source from the same place, supply through the same bowsers, and use the same staff but charge extra.

No logic except that of a rip off.

All airlines now have to compulsorily buy ground power and air conditioning for the turnaround and night halt servicing aircraft from DIAL. You are not permitted to use your own equipment.

The rates are horrendously expensive.


‘Faulty joint ventures by DIAL led to Rs 103 cr loss to AAI’

The report cited the case of cargo and car parking operations which were undertaken by DIAL’s JV Celebi Delhi Cargo Terminal Management India and Delhi Airport Parking Services respectively. On operationalisation of the joint venture, the cargo revenue of DIAL decreased by 37 per cent during December, 2009 to November, 2010 even though the cargo handling increased by 25 per cent.


Some of these JVs in non-aeronautical services at the airport include Travel Food Services, Devyani Food Street, Delhi Select Services Hospitality, Delhi Duty Free Services and Delhi Airport Parking Services.
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Sewage seep leaves city airport stinking

August 28, 2011

Operations were back to normal at Chennai airport with flights taking off on time and the terminal building cleaned up on Saturday.

However, the entry and exit points still remained slushy affecting the movement of passengers in and out of the airport.

On Friday night, it was chaos at the airport with three flights diverted to Bengaluru due to bad weather, while sewage flowed into the arrival hall of the domestic terminal. Further, visitors were upset there was no proper information about flight diversions. As the CISF did not allow them to meet the terminal manger, the visitors began to agitate. They were later pacified by the local police.

Due to heavy rain with crosswinds, the Chennai ATC diverted the late night flights from Delhi, Frankfurt and Brussels to Bengaluru. “After we drained water from the runway, it was opened for traffic at 2.30 am Saturday and the diverted flights asked to land,” said Chennai airport director E.P. Hareendranathan.

A Jet Airways flight, re-scheduled to leave Chennai for Brussels via New York at 8 am Saturday, was cancelled due to Hurricane Irene in the US. The 127 passengers were forced to reschedule their travel plans.

On the ground, at the domestic terminal, passengers were enveloped by bad odour due to sewage seeping into the arrival area. “A small portion inside the terminal was filled with drainage water. But we cleared things within an hour,” explained Mr Hareendranathan.
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Can't believe that it took "one of the worlds best airports" 75 odd hours to move the stranded aircraft.


Plane removed, operations resume at Mumbai airport runway


Mumbai, Sep 5

Nearly 75 hours after it skidded and got stuck in mud, the stranded Turkish Airlines plane was finally removed from the Mumbai airport runway early Monday, an official said. Normal flight operations soon resumed.

The plane was removed from the spot near the main runway at around 1 a.m. and towed to the Air India hangar at 6.45 a.m.

Just before 7 a.m., the main runway - 0927 - was handed over to the Air Traffic Control to resume normal operations.
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Lousy service, delays and now increased fares. :twisted:


Airfares to go up on domestics routes in October by up to 8%
6 Sep, 2011, 01.49PM IST

Get set to pay more, as Indian airlines are gearing up to increase airfares in October. The hike will implemented on domestic route according to airlines & travel industry sources.

'The festive season kicks of in October, many people travel during the next three months. The demand is looking good, so load factors are likely to go up in October' said a senior airline executive.

Airlines are contemplating an increase of 8% to 10% on metro routes, while 'exclusive' routes where not too many airlines fly may see a steeper hike of 12%-15%.

All major airlines including Jet Airways, Kingfisher & Air India are planning to hike prices. Even low cost carriers SpiceJet, IndiGo & GoAir are likely to increase prices.
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vera_k wrote:
Abhijeet wrote:I'm traveling SFO-BOM in a few days and my flight is a hellish SFO-DTW-AMS-BOM 26 hour route. At least it lands in BOM at a decent 11.15 pm rather than at 4 am.
That's the equivalent of taking a 1980's ST bus. The people travelling on the AMS-BOM leg tend to be experts in trashing a good aircraft cabin, and the airline compensates for it by plying their oldest equipment. Be nice to the flight attendants on the DTW-AMS leg so they ply you with plenty of alcohol for the trial that lies ahead.
A follow up post on this from my travels last month:

To anyone who may be considering it, I highly recommend *not* flying Delta. I had a ridiculously bad experience with them both ways flying SFO-BOM-SFO last month.

They had a plane problem at Detroit and had to ship a part out from Atlanta, so they needed to rebook any passengers who had an onward flight from AMS. Ok, any airline can have a mechanical problem. But the gate staff were incredibly rude, not apologetic at all, and refused to rebook me all the way through to BOM through AMS -- their systems don't talk to KLM's systems in Europe, so I'd have to land up in AMS and then figure out my onward options. This might mean that I'd have to spend a night in the airport at AMS, which I refused to do. So they redirected me to their 800 number and finally booked me on a flight from LHR to BOM on Air India the next day. At no time did they seem apologetic or eager to help, just doing the bare minimum (except for the person on the phone who wasn't too bad).

Many passengers in the US take airline inefficiency so much for granted (and so deathly scared of causing a scene at an airport, I'm sure) that most people just seemed happy to finally be getting on a plane.

From BOM out, I overheard the flight steward telling some of the passengers very rudely: "I can't talk to everyone at once, ok". Ridiculous level of attitude.

Plus -- something that would be funny if wasn't pathetic -- they now advertise being able to check in ONE bag for free on a flight as a huge perk of getting a Delta-branded Gold AmEx card. Even on international flights, only one bag is free -- for domestic, they charge from the first bag. It's bizarre they can continue to do this when Cathay Pacific and most other international carriers will let you check in two bags for free.

The only justification for flying Delta, for me, was that I got to use a bunch of Frequent Flyer Miles that I wouldn't otherwise have. Unless they're literally half the price, there's no way in hell I'd fly with them again.
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my friend did BLR-Dubai-SFO without any issues this week on Emirates. the blr-dubai section is short and leaves at 4am. the next leg is 15 hrs nonstop. while going its a bit of pain as its during day. while coming, around 8 hrs are consumed in sleeping @ night, so its ok.
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Emirates has possibly one of the best range of fleets. Back in 09, I did JFK-BLR-JFK (changed planes at DXB). As Singha pointed out BLR-DXB was on A330-200 and flight was short but flight didn't feature Emirate's excellent ICE (they had a stripped down version which was horrible). DXB-JFK was 15 hours and it departs DXB during morning hours. The plane was 777-300ER...they switched on the soft LED lights on the ceilings to simulate night sky. Didn't help me in getting any sleep but was pretty cool to experience.

I wonder why airlines use crappy A330 for their BLR legs? Most have horrible inflight entertainment systems which for me are less than useless. Had same experience last year with dragon air HKG-BLR leg.

Edit: I found this very interesting. The Emirates flights didn't use thrust reverses to slow down at DXB (both times) & BLR. However the same 777 used thrust reverses at JFK...I suspect JFK having lot of traffic, airplanes need to exit main runway as quick as possible vs DXB or BLR.
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A330 is the right size for the kind of traffic loads in BLR. sometimes 777 is used (I think BA does it), but at present I do not think BLR hosts any 747 at all.
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Lufthansa operates 747-400s on Frankfurt-Bangalore.

In other news, Delhi IGI enters the top 30 busiest airports worldwide for Jan-May 2011, with 13.8 million passengers. They're on track to top 35 million for the year, already reaching T3 design capacity, years ahead of schedule. They better start planning on building T4 soon.

Added later: I'm somewhat mistaken, since the traffic figure is for the entire airport: T1D and T3 terminals combined. However, T3 accounts for probably 75% of the total, and Jan-May traffic growth rate was almost 20% year on year. They will saturate the 35M design capacity of that terminal within the next couple of years or so. If DEL manages 35M passengers for the year, they ought to make it to around #25 in the rankings.
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Any of you guru log's have experience flying with Qatar airways?

I am flying 12 hrs + 3 hrs in October
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Zynda wrote:Emirates has possibly one of the best range of fleets. Back in 09, I did JFK-BLR-JFK (changed planes at DXB). As Singha pointed out BLR-DXB was on A330-200 and flight was short but flight didn't feature Emirate's excellent ICE (they had a stripped down version which was horrible). DXB-JFK was 15 hours and it departs DXB during morning hours. The plane was 777-300ER...they switched on the soft LED lights on the ceilings to simulate night sky. Didn't help me in getting any sleep but was pretty cool to experience.

I wonder why airlines use crappy A330 for their BLR legs? Most have horrible inflight entertainment systems which for me are less than useless. Had same experience last year with dragon air HKG-BLR leg.

Edit: I found this very interesting. The Emirates flights didn't use thrust reverses to slow down at DXB (both times) & BLR. However the same 777 used thrust reverses at JFK...I suspect JFK having lot of traffic, airplanes need to exit main runway as quick as possible vs DXB or BLR.

Thrust reverse burns a lot of fuel.

Many airlines in India just use idle reverse for normal operations and may be use full reverse for emergencies only.
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Quick learners!! 8)

Tried and tested monkey see, monkey do??


Landing rights

Mumbai airport's expansion worries slum dwellers
Arghya Ganguly / Mumbai September 3, 2011, 0:33 IST



Mumbai’s airport needs room to grow, so the Sahar slum is being cleared. Arghya Ganguly finds out where, and whether, the residents will go.

The round-the-clock noise of hammer on steel keeps Shobha Madye’s nerves steady. She lives in a shanty at Sahar village, close to the under-construction elevated road that will connect the Western Express Highway with Chhattrapati Shivaji International Airport. Madye knows that she will have to move out the day the road is completed and the noisy site falls silent. The financial consequences could be dire: she runs a tuition class for 40 students in her one-room set-up, her husband is a driver with a private agency close by, and both her children are enrolled in schools nearby. “Why would we want to move to Kurla or Bhandup? We have been living here since 1975. We have to start our life from zero wherever we go,” says the feisty woman. Thanks, but no thanks.

Madye lines up two of her students, Sunil and Sanjay, who work as domestic hands in homes nearby, to enforce her viewpoint. “It will be hard for people like them to find a source of living if they are shifted elsewhere. And if they move there they will have to spend money in travelling from there to their workplace here,” Madye says. Is her angst genuine? Or does she see this as a good opportunity to make some money? The only thing that could make her move is money, she says, and that too Rs 2.5 crore.

The 275 acres of land occupied by the 85,000 or so slum dwellers of Sahar is vital for the modernisation and expansion of the Mumbai airport (which since 2006 is owned by a GVK-led consortium). Runways, taxiways, hangars, terminals, roads, offices, et cetera, need to be built. But there is no land to do that on. The airport, which offers many overseas travellers their first impression of India, is choked by slums on several sides, and Sahar is the largest of them. The use for the Sahar acres has not yet been specified, but it is a “vital public project” according to the government of Maharashtra.

Housing Development Infrastructure Ltd (HDIL) got the mandate to relocate slum dwellers to newly-built homes elsewhere in Mumbai. These houses will be given absolutely free. In return, HDIL will be entitled to development rights within the airport. In the last two years, it has received rights to 10-11 million sq ft. The first complex of 7,800 houses at Premier Compound Kurla is ready, and HDIL has handed over 300 house keys to the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA). So far, however, only 55 families have moved in, even though these are modern 1BHK houses of 269 sq ft each, with clean surroundings, round-the-clock power and water supply, and a sewage treatment plant.

Most people of Sahar are unwilling to move. One reason is the trauma of relocation that Madya and others fear. The other is that as many as 40 per cent of the slum dwellers are not eligible for new houses. The Supreme Court has said that only those who purchased or built a house at Sahar before January 1, 2000, will get the new houses. Others have to fend for themselves, and are therefore bitterly opposed to the project. As a result, MMRDA has had to twice put off its survey to count those who are eligible. When its surveyors finally visited Sahar, they found the residents standing vigil at the entrance of the slum. The moment they entered the village, bells started ringing in temples and churches, and the mosque called the faithful to prayer. Letters were sent to heads of state of other countries, signed by 10,000 slum dwellers, saying that Christianity is in danger at Sahar since the “government wants to destroy the 409-year-old church” located here :) .Even now, the residents show no sign of giving up without a fight. “Most of the people in this area have purchased houses in the last 11 years,” says Santosh Bane, a resident. “I bought my house in 2001 from someone who was staying here since 1970. Since 2002, I’ve cast six votes including in BMC [Brihanmumbai Municipal Corporation], state and general elections. After voting six times I’ve been declared ineligible by the government. It means my votes were legal but my house and I are not.”

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Aadesh Hadkar, on the other hand, is in danger of not being rehabilitated because he was careless while severing ties with his former wife. The couple separated in 1999, and Hadkar lost possession of the house he had shared with her. Thereafter he moved into a house (also built before 2000) that he owns just down the lane. He diligently did everything he could to erase the link with his ex-wife. Or so he thought.

Hadkar applied for a new ration card and electricity bill, but “didn’t consider it the need of the hour” to have a separate voter card made. Now Hadkar has been informed that rehabilitating his former wife is equivalent to rehabilitating him; going by the evidence of a common voter card after all, he is still married to her. Hadkar is filing a petition in the civil court to prove that he needs a house of his own, because he and his former wife no longer have anything in common.

The original inhabitants of Sahar claim that the British took away their land at gunpoint during the Second World War on the pretext of national defence. When the colonialists left India, they returned to the land and built their houses. Of course, along came migrants and other squatters. “If the first government of India had erected a barricade with a warning sign to keep off the property then no one would’ve dared to enter it. But the government didn’t care then. Instead, BMC, the cops and politicians, every one of them, took their share of money and overlooked constructions in the area,” says Nicholas Almeida, a social activist. “Now, politicians want us to move for airport beautification. Why should we? Two chief ministers, Ashok Chavan and Vilasrao Deshmukh, had promised that residents will be rehabilitated within the radius of 3 km in accordance with the National Rehabilitation and Resettlement Policy. Are they doing that?”

HDIL Vice-chairman & Managing Director Sarang Wadhwan, 33, says it’s not binding on the company to provide affected people with homes within 3 km. The homes just have to be within the Mumbai district. HDIL can use any free land that falls within Greater Mumbai, all the way up to Dahisar, to rehabilitate the slum dwellers. “We’re trying our best to keep them close to the places of their employment so that the cost of movement doesn’t increase haphazardly. But not everyone will be shifted into the Kurla property. Only 17,800 tenements are being created there. The balance land is all over the place. If land is available closer to the airport then we’ll try to get it for development but people have to realise that there is going to be a change. And change is always — always — accompanied by fear.”

At the moment, HDIL doesn’t have all the land required for resettlement. It hopes to add another 8,000 or so houses by December. “For the next phase we will require the assistance of the government in providing us land,” says Wadhawan. Getting displaced “in a city like Mumbai”, Wadhawan understands, “is not a good way ahead”.

Experience tells us that slum dwellers find it difficult to live elsewhere — they miss the old proximity and chaos. In a few earlier rehabilitation projects elsewhere in Mumbai, some people took possession of their new homes, put them under lock and key — because they cannot sell the new houses for 10 years from the date of possession — and came back to live in the slums.

The experience of people resettled earlier from the airport site gives the slum dwellers of Sahar little confidence. In 2005, people were moved from Rafiq Nagar to 2,200 tenements near Goregaon for the expansion of intersecting runways. There was some resistance from the inhabitants but local politicians convinced them. Just four months later, in the resettlement tenements the elevators had stopped working, and the erstwhile slum dwellers realised there were no schools around for their income group.

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The drive from Sahar to Premier Compound in Kurla isn’t smooth. It gets progressively worse as the bottomless potholes jounce you about in your seat, until you turn a corner to enter the stretch of Kohinoor City on the right-hand side of the road. Near the main gate, on the third floor, resides Anil Neurittiwal, who moved here in July. He is one of the few who jumped at the chance of living here, because his old place leaked from every corner during the monsoon. And that’s why, even though his workplace is far away in Andheri, he shifted without a second thought. “The living standard here is far better,” he says. “There, in the rainy season, there would be flooding. Here there is no such problem. I had a 10 ft-by-10 ft room there; so it’s more comfortable here. But I miss my friends who have not been able to come due to ineligibility,” says Neurittiwal, his final words in a low tone.

What catches Neurittiwal’s eye every morning when he pulls back the curtains of his drawing room is a picture of idyllic existence on the other side of the barricade in Kohinoor City. Does he find this awkward to deal with? Is this another reason why his friends are reluctant to join him? Would he rather stay among his equals in the slum cluster? And is this why Madye says: “We’re happy where we are”?
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CAG report indicting AI tabled in Parl:

The Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) report on Air India has been tabled in Parliament today heavily indicting the national airlines. The major areas of problem according to the CAG report ...



AI has run up a debt of Rs 38,234 crore.
Most of the losses were because of its expansion policy where no cost benchmark was done before buying aircraft.
Risky acquisition of large number of aircraft.
Merger of AI, IA ill-timed
VIP services frequently used, rarely reimbursed

Details awaited.
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Country's fog-landing pioneer grounded
Sep 8, 2011,



NEW DELHI: One of India's finest and most experienced pilots of the Airbus A-320 family of aircraft became a victim of the powerful blast outside Delhi High Court on Wednesday. Captain Ron Nagar, a former director with Indian Airlines who is now senior vice-president (operations) with Kingfisher and an active pilot, along with his brother Dr John Nagar, was outside gate no. 5 of the court when the bomb went off.

Ron Nagar received shrapnel injuries on his right eye, some part of the face, right arm and legs. Both the brothers were rushed to RML Hospital. After getting first aid, their family members decided to take them to Max Hospital, Saket. Ron's wife, who was present in the government hospital, said both brothers had gone to the high court for a personal matter. She said Dr John Nagar also sustained serious shrapnel injuries on his face and legs. Sources said Rahul Gandhi especially visited Ron in the RML hospital due to the victim's closeness to the Gandhi family.

Ron Nagar, an examiner on the A-320 family of planes that include the A-319, 320 and 321, had started flying in the erstwhile Indian Airlines when late Rajiv Gandhi was still a pilot in the airline and the two often flew together. He then rose to become director of important divisions, such as operations, training and flight safety, in the erstwhile IA before moving on to Kingfisher. Most recently, his expertise was acknowledged by the government when he was made part of an expert team to probe last year's Mangalore crash.

Sources in Max Hospital, Saket, said Ron was being operated upon and the operation could last a while. "He is suspected to have sustained two fractures. He has shrapnel in his face and legs. Also, glass pieces have pierced the skin. Doctors are trying to remove those foreign particles that are still feared to be inside," said a doctor, who did not want to be named. The doctor, however, said Ron was not going to lose his vision due to the eye injury. Sources also informed that Ron's brother also had similar injuries and he was also being treated.

Nagar shot to fame when, about six years back, he became the first pilot to land in foggy Delhi under the category III B conditions. "Take off in the virtually blind Cat IIIB conditions had become common by then as aircraft tail a follow-me jeep to the runway and then take off. But touching down in this condition using the instrument landing system had never been done in India before, as that is an almost blind approach. It took a pilot of Nagar's calibre to make the first IIIB landing in Delhi," said a senior IA employee.

A former airline CMD described Nagar as an "ace pilot, thorough gentleman and exceptionally fine human being". "I just wish he can fly again," the former CMD said while echoing the sentiments of almost everyone in the aviation industry who know Nagar.

Nagar's current boss, Kingfisher owner Vijay Mallya, shared the same concern for his ace pilot. Mallya is learnt to have made several calls to senior airline officials who rushed to Max Saket to be with Nagar's family. "We are all very worried for him and hope he gets well and back in the cockpit," said a colleague.
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NEW DELHI: One of India's finest and most experienced pilots of the Airbus A-320 family of aircraft became a victim of the powerful blast outside Delhi High Court on Wednesday. Captain Ron Nagar, a former director with Indian Airlines who is now senior vice-president (operations) with Kingfisher and an active pilot, along with his brother Dr John Nagar, was outside gate no. 5 of the court when the bomb went off.
Wonder how many more such small vital cogs of our system we will keep loosing after every "minor blast" which is anyways brushed away as "minor Paki pinprick" which we should tolerate to achieve 10% growth?
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