The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

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Wow, Rahul Gandhi opens his mouth and the entire debate in the media changes. I suspect INC must have done its homework well before Rahul spoke. Now he will the Knight in the Shining armor.
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I would regard RG's speech in LS as his Twist with Destiny.
The die-Nasty is being revealed further for what it is.
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Muppalla wrote:There is one good opportunity for UPA. It can clamp emergency using Anna's tactics as a pretext. Firsthing after that they have to dismiss Gujarat government and put Modi behind bars.
I am waiting for the bolded part to happen. Because if I read that in conjunction with what General VK Singh said a couple of days back, then I can see some tanks marching on all these retards.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 110826.htm
Congress is playing dirty games, says Medha Patkar
'Why is only Congress not backing Jan Lokpal Bill?'
Don't you think the BJP has shifted focus on the dialogue between the government and Team Anna by virtually endorsing what you have been working on for the past so many months?

The way I see it, we (Team Anna) have been asking the BJP, as an opposition party, to take a stand on the Jan Lokpal Bill for so many days now. Some representatives of Team Anna had a long meeting with them and explained the Jan Lokpal bill. We cleared all reservations they had about the bill and explained to them what we wanted. Post this meeting, they realised they agreed broadly with all the points we have been professing. The one or two points they did not agree on, they put forward publicly.

The BJP has actually come out with a resolution which broadly endorses what you have been saying all this time. What do you have to say about that?

Isn't that just fantastic then? In addition to the BJP, the left parties are also backing it. So many other parties are now backing it. Why is it that only the Congress, which claims it wants a corruption-free India, the only party that is not backing it? Why is the Congress in so much hesitation?
I mean sometimes they start enquiries against Team Anna members, sometimes they talk about cases against them, sometimes they say there are other versions of Lokpal bill which need to be discussed, so on and so forth all these are just delaying tactics of the Congress party.


They simply refuse to take a stand on the bill. There is a 73-year-old man who is on a fast to ensure a corruption-free India, who has the backing of the entire nation; how are any of these delaying tactics helping? They (Congress) did not even give a notification in the Parliament for a debate. Why didn't they? They have been in a dialogue with Team Anna; they know his fast has been going on for 11 days, why was a debate not initiated?
That is what I have been asking you. The focus seems to have now shifted from the dialogue between Team Anna and the government to the war between the government and the opposition. What happens to Anna's fast now?

We had expected this. Whenever the BJP was going to take a stand, this was going to happen. I think by pressing for the points Team Anna wants, they are doing the country a favor. They have great respect for Team Anna. I only have respect for all the parties supporting the Jan Lokpal bill.

The Congress is playing dirty games and it has become obvious to everybody. Look at the dealings of the Congress with team Anna. Were they not playing shady games all throughout? They play these dirty games and then claim that the opposition does not allow the house to function. Their members of Parliament create ruckus in the Parliament and don't let the leader of opposition speak. What nonsense!
Again, I am talking about Anna's fast. Since the Jan Lokpal bill and team Anna's demands have becomes politicised, what about his fast? What about the dialogue between the government and team Anna?
(Look at this SCUM reporter trying to politicize the issue)


See, my point is that their (BJP's) agenda is right. They are pushing for it so that Annaji can break his fast. I say, you people as representatives of the media, should not take the focus away from Anna's fast. Don't put the focus on these two political parties. Let them debate and take stands on it in the Parliament. There is no war between the BJP and the Congress. In fact, after our meeting with the BJP, they said that they would not politicise it.
Yes, that was announced, but they have come out with a resolution which basically is Team Anna's draft. How is that not politicising? (The ahole is not giving up. With aholes like this the country is suffering a lot)

They can't just stand back and stay out of it because of Congress's delaying tactics. It was at 2.10pm on Friday that the Congress addressed the Parliament and passed a resolution under a completely unexpected section (193). Why did they do that? Why didn't they pass it under a section which would have actually ensured that the three basic points we have been fighting for would have been passed?


The Congress's tactics in this was utter nonsense. Now the Congress is just worried that BJP will score brownie points in the Parliament. We understand these games. This nation's citizens are not dumb, you know
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Have you heard Rahul Gandhi's speech in the Parliament today? What does Team Anna make of it?

I did. My view is that if he had all this to say, he should have done it seven years ago. They have been in power for seven years and suddenly now dimaag ki batti jali? (dawned upon them) Rahul Gandhi should have given these suggestions a long time ago; at least some days ago. This (speech and its timing) was so obvious. The moment you saw Sachin Pilot, Milin Deora, Jitin Prasada (Congress MPs), you knew the next entr e was going to be Rahul Gandhi.


The entire country has been reeling under corruption and the Congress has been doing nothing about it. And now they are trying to avoid the Jan Lokpal Bill. Yes, that is what they have been doing; avoiding the Jan Lokpal.
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Anna should get each week a celebrity to go on a relay fast.It will do some of the Bollywood crowd a great deal to flatten their bellies! Gheraoing an MP,Minister,each day would be great fun too.I understand that in some places the AH movement is going to start their own rags,groups who will take up citizen's cases and go in large groups to gherao the corrupt officials in their offices! AH has opened Panndora's box and good Dr. Singh is incapable of shutting it.Perhaps the young intern can have a go.UPA "nursing" has plummeted ever since the "Matron" got ill!

The General's words are a warning indeed to the UPA/MMS.If the sh*t hits the fan,you won't find Indian troops opening fire upon protesters against the corrupt! The top brass will see to it that the forces stay in their barracks.It will be left to the "thin khaki line" to stem the tide and we've seen in the past how efficient they are at it!

Apres moi,le deluge.THis could be Man MUbarak Singh's famous last words too!
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Philip wrote:Anna should get each week a celebrity to go on a relay fast.It will do some of the Bollywood crowd a great deal to flatten their bellies! Gheraoing an MP,Minister,each day would be great fun too.I understand that in some places the AH movement is going to start their own rags,groups who will take up citizen's cases and go in large groups to gherao the corrupt officials in their offices! AH has opened Panndora's box and good Dr. Singh is incapable of shutting it.Perhaps the young intern can have a go.UPA "nursing" has plummeted ever since the "Matron" got ill!

The General's words are a warning indeed to the UPA/MMS.If the sh*t hits the fan,you won't find Indian troops opening fire upon protesters against the corrupt! The top brass will see to it that the forces stay in their barracks.It will be left to the "thin khaki line" to stem the tide and we've seen in the past how efficient they are at it!

Apres moi,le deluge.THis could be Man MUbarak Singh's famous last words too!

Thats right. Lets figure out a "Jugad" and corrupt the fasting process too. Way to go!
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Anna's health is at stake. How long (in terms of number of days) should he fast? Each day is precious, and we could lose him. It is better to plan out a relay fast, let Anna return to fasting after a decent break.Till then someone can carry forward the "mashaal" he has lit.
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sanjeevpunj wrote:Anna's health is at stake. How long (in terms of number of days) should he fast? Each day is precious, and we could lose him. It is better to plan out a relay fast, let Anna return to fasting after a decent break.Till then someone can carry forward the "mashaal" he has lit.
The reason Fasting has such a galvanizing effect on the public and creates dhoti shivering among the ruling mafia is precisely because it could result in the "ultimate sacrifice". Take away the prospects of "ultimate sacrifice" and you will take away any effectiveness of any proposed Fast in the future.
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IndraD wrote:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Gujarat-G ... 38064.aspx

In an unprecedented move, the Gujarat Governor has appointed Retd Justice R A Mehta as Lokayukta of the state, bypassing the Narendra Modi-led BJP government which had kept the post vacant for the last seven years.
This is bloody murder. I do not know why NM did not appoint a Lok Ayukta, however the Governor cannot simply come in here and play a role. In our system, the Governor (an oxymoronic British inspired institution, that breaks the federal principls) works on the advice of the state Cabinet, headed by the CM. The Governor does not hold any executive powers. This appointement is an executive decision. Let the opposition go to the people or let the file a case on the court, if they feel that some law has been broken, however the CM should not and cannot be overruled in this manner. It is Lok Ayukta today in Gujarat, what else will it be tomorrow? Our entire structure is dysfunctional.
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Shivaji Sisodia says- The reason Fasting has such a galvanizing effect on the public and creates dhoti shivering among the ruling mafia is precisely because it could result in the "ultimate sacrifice". Take away the prospects of "ultimate sacrifice" and you will take away any effectiveness of any proposed Fast in the future.
Right, but with the Parliament delaying matters, the life of Anna is also increasingly at stake.21 days of fasting can kill.It is just that which I am worried about. That's why I am asking, how long must Anna continue. Or does someone want him to be martyred.
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Source:http://www.hindustantimes.com/Bedi-and- ... 38197.aspx

Bedi and Co. playing with Anna's life: Thackeray

The Shiv Sena on Friday accused Team Anna members of "playing" with the life of the Gandhian for their vested interests and asked them to sit on fast instead. "(Kiran) Bedi and others have personal disputes with the government, and for these disputes, these people are playing with
Hazare's life," Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray said in the editorial of the party mouthpiece 'Saamana'.
"Though, Bedi was in the police department for a long time, no government made her the Delhi police commissioner. One should go into the reasons for this," the editorial said.
"Let (Arvind) Kejriwal, Bedi, (Manish) Sisodiya fast for next 10-12 days, let their bodies feel the brunt of the fast. If these people are going to have meals twice a day and snacks four times a day and still continue with their anti-corruption stir, it is a betrayal of Hazare," the Sena chief said.
Thackeray had recently written to Hazare, appealing him to end his fast for the Jan Lokpal Bill.
Thackeray's grandson Aditya met Hazare in Delhi and conveyed the support of the "whole Shiv Sena family" for his cause.
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What Rahul Gandhi-ji :( said in parliament is being repeatedly highlighted by Baba Ramdev everyday in his channels for last one year.

Suddenly i heard baba ramdev speaking in Rahul's voice.

The speech was very well decorated by loud voice and obvious body language. Who had stopped RG's party to think way back when they made UPA-I because there was no game? So that he called his 'ideas' game changer! eh!
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muraliravi wrote:
Muppalla wrote:There is one good opportunity for UPA. It can clamp emergency using Anna's tactics as a pretext. Firsthing after that they have to dismiss Gujarat government and put Modi behind bars.
I am waiting for the bolded part to happen. Because if I read that in conjunction with what General VK Singh said a couple of days back, then I can see some tanks marching on all these retards.
Nothing like that. I happened to meet the General a day before today at a local function and do not believe for a second that his words were meant as a threat to anyone. Let us not spoil the name of the Indian Army as an institution - even if it warms the heart of Jingos. Anyone who lives in India cannot be immune from what has consumed news here for the past 10 days. He is simply outspoken and does not mince words. Nothing less nothing more.
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sanjeevpunj wrote:Bedi and Co. playing with Anna's life: Thackeray
What about playing with lives of many lesser-sons-of-the-soil hain thackeray-ji? Why should not Uddhavji and his son should sit on fast, just for a half day?
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Nice response,Murugan, why not.
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Murugan wrote:
sanjeevpunj wrote:Bedi and Co. playing with Anna's life: Thackeray
What about playing with lives of many lesser-sons-of-the-soil hain thackeray-ji? Why should not Uddhavji and his son should seat on fast, just for a half day?
At least Shiv Sena has offered blanket unconditional support to IAC.

I think he is looking at this to draw out the conflict.
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sanjeevpunj wrote:
Shivaji Sisodia says- The reason Fasting has such a galvanizing effect on the public and creates dhoti shivering among the ruling mafia is precisely because it could result in the "ultimate sacrifice". Take away the prospects of "ultimate sacrifice" and you will take away any effectiveness of any proposed Fast in the future.
Right, but with the Parliament delaying matters, the life of Anna is also increasingly at stake.21 days of fasting can kill.It is just that which I am worried about. That's why I am asking, how long must Anna continue. Or does someone want him to be martyred.
Progress on this matter - if one can say that - is only because Anna Hazare has been on fast. This is a decision that Anna Hazare has taken himself... he is not some naive sacrificial lamb.

The nation sees the sincerity in Anna Hazare's actions something completely lacking on the government side.
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True, the nation sees it and the Parliamentarians do not.The impasse is as strong as ever.
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Sanku wrote:At least Shiv Sena has offered blanket unconditional support to IAC....
That is a good move no doubt. But then question arises how come BMC which is actually ruled by SS can't even lay a better quality pipelines or lay better roads which do not become a way full of pot holes in just two showers...

And also they should first tell the people how one of his chief ministers coming from a humble background became billionaire and runs a conglomerate of a sort.

Today Jyotiraditya scindia-ji also said that he connects with Anna Hazare because he is also a Maratha like him! What a way of showing solidarity!
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Anna is important for this fight and we need him with us

Also it is impractical to think that JLP Bill or any assurance will come in writing

Especially when Advani also agrees that this bill has flaws.

Anna sir should break his fast and a new strategy must be carefully thought about.

He is 74 years old now this is 11 day+, in case some thing happens to him

there can be law and order situation on streets.

On other note- Rahul Gandhi speech-

This must be seen as message from SG , only the mouth is of Amul baby
The brain is of Raj-mata dictating the speech

look at the general p-sec line
Today the proposed law is against corruption. Tomorrow the target may be something less universally heralded. It may attack the plurality of our society and democracy”.
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Delhi-Pol ... 38185.aspx
Delhi police to crack down
Taking strong exception to the incident that took place at 3 am when some people after consuming alcohol beat some policemen mercilessly, the Union Home Ministry asked Delhi Police to deal with such elements with an iron hand.

Traffic Police has also been asked to ensure discipline on roads as there were complaints of rowdyism with bikers performing stunts and also troubling other vehicle owners.

A senior ministry official said that that police cannot turn blind eye to eve teasing and hooliganism in the garb of nationalism.
Notice to Anna for loud speaker after 10 pm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Notice-to ... 38204.aspx
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/wont-withdra ... 37-64.html
Won't withdraw Govt bill, can amend it: Pranab
Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee has made it clear that the Government is not going to withdraw its Lokpal Bill, but was willing to amend it. Speaking to Karan Thapar on Devil's Advocate, Mukherjee said that it was not possible to satisfy both the Opposition and Anna Hazare.
"We are always trying to find a solution, even from his threat to agitation. If you recollect the chronology of the events, when he sat at hunger strike in Jantar Mantar in the month of April, government represented teams talked to him through his interlocutors and then we agreed to have the joint drafting committee," said Mukherjee.
He said that parliamentary process cannot be bypassed and the Bill will be have to follow it.
"This is a real serious problem which we are unable to convince the associates of Sri Anna Hazare, when we have had discussions, that Congress party doesn't have a clear absolute majority of its own. Secondly, legislation is to be passed by majority members of the Parliament. Even the recommendation which will come from the Standing Committee, there too it will have to be endorsed, all those recommendations by the majority members of the standing committee. Therefore, these are the absolute necessity to get a legislation passed. Therefore, we require the support and cooperation of all political parties," he said.
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Manish_Sharma wrote:
Sanku have you seen this video:
Dude, what kind of BS is this news?

How does having pakistani DIL disqualify him from post of COAS? Or how is the fact of massacres of Sikhs in Kashmir or fake encounter or supposed sexual mis-conduct of IA troops in Congo a charge against Bikram Singh? If I extend your logic, each Northern Army Commander should consider his career good-bye the day he assumes charge. And a MP from Howrah complaining against 'irregularities' by Bikram Singh as GoC-in-C of 15 Corps in Srinagar? How did he come to know about these details unless, someone shared them?

And him praising the Northern Army Commander is hilarious....this whole thing looks a plant.

The fellow comes across as a looney CT peddler....and why is he batting for VKS? Is that because this news channel covers Rajasthan?
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 748628.cms

Govt not to with draw its bill. Log jam continues.
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rohitvats wrote: Dude, what kind of BS is this news?

How does having pakistani DIL disqualify him from post of COAS? Or how is the fact of massacres of Sikhs in Kashmir or fake encounter or supposed sexual mis-conduct of IA troops in Congo a charge against Bikram Singh? If I extend your logic, each Northern Army Commander should consider his career good-bye the day he assumes charge. And a MP from Howrah complaining against 'irregularities' by Bikram Singh as GoC-in-C of 15 Corps in Srinagar? How did he come to know about these details unless, someone shared them?

And him praising the Northern Army Commander is hilarious....this whole thing looks a plant.

The fellow comes across as a looney CT peddler....and why is he batting for VKS? Is that because this news channel covers Rajasthan?
Do you know he doesn't have porki daughter in law? You left out other things like Gen. V.K. Singh's High School certificate states he is born in 1951 while the reporter says in UPSC certificate its written by mistake states 1950 which was filled by someone else. There must be some reason that MPs have met PM for it. The first MP who raised it was from Bengal Trinamool, what interest he would have?
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Murugan wrote:
Sanku wrote:At least Shiv Sena has offered blanket unconditional support to IAC....
That is a good move no doubt. But then question arises how come BMC which is actually ruled by SS can't even lay a better quality pipelines or lay better roads which do not become a way full of pot holes in just two showers...

And also they should first tell the people how one of his chief ministers coming from a humble background became billionaire and runs a conglomerate of a sort.

Today Jyotiraditya scindia-ji also said that he connects with Anna Hazare because he is also a Maratha like him! What a way of showing solidarity!
Sir-ji Onlee talking about one point here.

Despite all this they supported the issue. Lets give them that, for this thread onleee.

Sinners some time redeem themselves by a simple act.
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http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_ki ... ge_1580084
After a furious bout of flag-waving, Bedi, a leading light of Team Anna known as a no-nonsense and upright officer who was miffed at not being made Delhi Police commissioner, decided to vent her ire on a MP who had come to Ramlila Maidan.
Who is this MP?
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Sanku wrote: Sir-ji Onlee talking about one point here.

Despite all this they supported the issue. Lets give them that, for this thread onleee.

Sinners some time redeem themselves by a simple act.
Agreed, sir-ji. I actually respect BT for such kind words when especially spoken when it matters more.
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I watched Rahul gandhi reading in LS today. At one time when some noise was coming from opposition RG stopped for a moment. Then I heard 2-3 voices from the behind, some thing like, "keep going, keep going....don't stop" .
Its was like when parent keep guiding their small kids from behind.
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Manish_Sharma wrote:
rohitvats wrote: Dude, what kind of BS is this news?

How does having pakistani DIL disqualify him from post of COAS? Or how is the fact of massacres of Sikhs in Kashmir or fake encounter or supposed sexual mis-conduct of IA troops in Congo a charge against Bikram Singh? If I extend your logic, each Northern Army Commander should consider his career good-bye the day he assumes charge. And a MP from Howrah complaining against 'irregularities' by Bikram Singh as GoC-in-C of 15 Corps in Srinagar? How did he come to know about these details unless, someone shared them?

And him praising the Northern Army Commander is hilarious....this whole thing looks a plant.

The fellow comes across as a looney CT peddler....and why is he batting for VKS? Is that because this news channel covers Rajasthan?
Do you know he doesn't have porki daughter in law? You left out other things like Gen. V.K. Singh's High School certificate states he is born in 1951 while the reporter says in UPSC certificate its written by mistake states 1950 which was filled by someone else. There must be some reason that MPs have met PM for it. The first MP who raised it was from Bengal Trinamool, what interest he would have?
GOI's stand on VKS DoB is a different matter from Bikram Singh being considered a COAS designate. Which of the so called 'charges' against Bikram Singh in that news report disqualify him from being COAS?

In case you're not aware, the first time the DoB issue of VKS came about was when Lt.General Awadesh was Military Secretary. It seems that between Lt. General Awadesh and General Deepak Kapoor, every effort was made to ensure that VKS does not become COAS. Let me give you another data point - as a practice, COAS designate is brought in a Vice Chief so that he can be familiar with happenings at AHQ and South Block. It should have been VKS as VC to Deepak Kapoor but DK brought in Lt. General PC Katoch as VC. The GCM of Lt. General Rath and Awadesh was VKS's way of getting back at his nemesis were Rath ended up in cross fire. In case anyone has bothered to read the news, Rath has been exonerated of all the charges (most importantly of fraud) by the re-convened GCM, save for 'not following certain procedures'. The hit job against VKS is with-in MOD with vested interest. But draw Bikram Singh into it w/o any proof is simply nonsense and in case you call the items in the news report as charges, well, you're being naive and childish.
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In an unprecedented move, the Gujarat Governor has appointed Retd Justice R A Mehta as Lokayukta of the state, bypassing the Narendra Modi-led BJP government which had kept the post vacant for the last seven years.
I really salute our secular DDM for their steadfastness to the cause.

I cant imagine the amount of blue murder being screamed if the roles were reversed and a NDA guv had bypassed a INC state gov to plant a Lokayukta/<insert post here>
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

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R_Kumar wrote:I watched Rahul gandhi reading in LS today. At one time when some noise was coming from opposition RG stopped for a moment. Then I heard 2-3 voices from the behind, some thing like, "keep going, keep going....don't stop" .
Its was like when parent keep guiding their small kids from behind.

Saw that, guys who were pushing amul baby to go ahead were Jyotiraditya Scindia & Jitin Prasada....
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Well, it is expected. They want to prop him up for the future, and MMS is losing a grip on the scene, specially when so many senior INC members seem to be speaking out of turn, they would want one single voice to be heard, to show they are still united, though fissures are nevertheless appearing within INC. BJP and Opposition have an agenda to destabilise the INC, while Anna Ji's agenda is a genuine non-political demand,and how Rahul ropewalks on this is to be seen, it might perhaps usher him into centre stage. Let's see tomorrow kya hota hai Parliament mein.
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VinayB wrote:http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_ki ... ge_1580084
After a furious bout of flag-waving, Bedi, a leading light of Team Anna known as a no-nonsense and upright officer who was miffed at not being made Delhi Police commissioner, decided to vent her ire on a MP who had come to Ramlila Maidan.
Who is this MP?
From the link-
Then Bedi, to the great amusement of the crowd, proceeded to pull a scarf from the neck of a young activist on stage, wrapped her head with it like a 'ghunghat' (veil) and proceeded to mock MPs and their "double-faced utterances".

"This is how they behave," she trilled, "one thing with a mask and another without a mask", and proceeded to pirouette on stage like a vaudeville artiste.

Some television commentators dubbed Bedi's performance as ‘vulgar’, ‘vituperative’ and downright ‘grotesque’ and said she had taken the discourse to a new low.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 749285.cms

UP chief minister Mayawati took a U-turn on Friday and said that Anna Hazare should withdraw his protests and contest 2014 Lok Sabha elections and push for his version of Jan Lokpal Bill in Parliament. Earlier, she had supported Anna's fight against corruption but the turn around came after a dalit organization held a rally in Delhi on Thursday to oppose Team Anna's version of Janlokpal as casteist.

Mayawati said that the Lokpal institution must have representation of dalits, minorities and other sections of society.
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IndraD wrote:Then Bedi, to the great amusement of the crowd, ...
What is the big deal? She was telling the truth, however crude it may look to the lifafas. Watching KT/Sagarika, the discourse has already hit the nadir!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 749285.cms

UP chief minister Mayawati took a U-turn on Friday and said that Anna Hazare should withdraw his protests and contest 2014 Lok Sabha elections and push for his version of Jan Lokpal Bill in Parliament. Earlier, she had supported Anna's fight against corruption but the turn around came after a dalit organization held a rally in Delhi on Thursday to oppose Team Anna's version of Janlokpal as casteist.

Mayawati said that the Lokpal institution must have representation of dalits, minorities and other sections of society.
What a nautanki by Mayawati. She thinks that AH will lose and goberment will win and now has turned sides.
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disha wrote:What a nautanki by Mayawati. She thinks that AH will lose and goberment will win and now has turned sides.
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rvishwak wrote:Saw that, guys who were pushing amul baby to go ahead were Jyotiraditya Scindia & Jitin Prasada....
^^^ Great! This bodes well for the polity in India., amul baby will not last long. Either amul babette will take over or maino will have to step in, but her days are numbered. And Babette does not have the smarts to run a NAC, already filled with limpets like A. Roy from both inside and outside.

And what is with Congress, they want transperancy of others but we do not know the whereabouts of Maino Ma, totally absent from the scene at this critical moment. What would have happened if there was a greater crisis?
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IndraD wrote:
disha wrote:What a nautanki by Mayawati. She thinks that AH will lose and goberment will win and now has turned sides.
There should be ample provision of reservation just like we have in UPSC for dalit etc + insulation against any action for dalit / minority lokayukta on wrong doing.
Reservation of what? Reservation to do some more corruption? How are the two related? Sure bring in reservation in anti-corruption bill and derail the bill or derail this thread.

And what is the "insulation against any dalit/minority lok ayukta on wrong doing"? Most of the corruption I have seen is done by dalits against dalits - so now you are saying that if a babu/neta is corrupt and is dalit, should be insulated from prosecution?

It is okay to thump your chest for your caste/class/religion/state/language/mohalla/village/town/city brother., one has to recognize that corruption is all pervasive and affects everybody irrespective of the above.

PS: Added later: If there was sarcasm in your post, missed it.
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Baba Ramdev's strength is in his reach. his major advantage is his dynamism. Ramlila proved that Hindu assertiveness cannot become a stationary target. it must be dynamic and constantly moving. Baba needs to keep moving all over Bharat. going from one town to another. one state to another. Indian history is full of events where genuine hopes and wishes of Sanatana Dharma were concentrated in a particular place, and consequently, when that one place was crushed, the movement collapsed for several generations. we can't repeat the same mistake again. I have a feeling BRD now understands this. he needs to keep moving. one day in UP, then next day in Kerala, then next in Assam. then in Gujarat. then in some town in Orissa, then Punjab. he needs to continue to be a wild card and keep moving all over the place...
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habal wrote:Why is this Krane Bedi trying to demean all Indian politicians ? What is she aiming at ? Is this an international attempt to defame Indian politicians and put them down before their own people. And while she is screeching away, sadly she is being ably assisted in this by Chidambaram & Sibal. Something isn't right here.
Maybe she was just letting the steam out, being in the pressure cooker with turn coat CONgrezis for almost a year. And yes, there is a CT behind everything, including a yank under every bed in desh.
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