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wtf... no body questions rahul g's thoughts.. he says desires are not important.. only institutional correction is required.. what crap? so they can hide all the loot institutionally, and keep the stolen wealth away from the public.
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Which Rahul? There are two Rahuls on BR and both their thoughts matter. If you are refering to the Amul baby a.k.a RG, the scion of maino then sorry did not know he was capable of thoughts leave alone independent thoughts.SaiK wrote:wtf... no body questions rahul g's thoughts.. he says desires are not important.. only institutional correction is required.. what crap? so they can hide all the loot institutionally, and keep the stolen wealth away from the public. ????
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Corruption affects poor and middle class in different ways.disha wrote:It is okay to thump your chest for your caste/class/religion/state/language/mohalla/village/town/city brother., one has to recognize that corruption is all pervasive and affects everybody irrespective of the above.
Poor are just trying to survive and worrying about next meal for themselves and kids. To them a Govt. doctor refusing them treatment without payment is the same as a forest official refusing to let them get firewood from a national forest. It is all one great experience of how the system is pretty sh*tty and god awful to them. Corruption or no corruption the system is still sh*tty to them. Makes little difference.
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From what I know Ramdev has volunteered to take Anna's place if Anna has to be hospitalized. But wait until Saturday, that's when the real crowds should come out the streets. In any case the oligarchy is exposing themselves and their true colors in moment of desperation. Irrespective of whether the fast will be successful or not, as far as I can tell the war has just started and needless to say there is still plenty of space for different leaders with different styles emerging here in case any jingo here is interested.sanjeevpunj wrote:Anna should go off the fast, and someone else, perhaps Arvind Kejriwal can continue the fast, thus a relay fast would buy time for negotiations.
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How about someone from here (BRF) emerging as a leader ?Dhiman wrote: as far as I can tell the war has just started and needless to say there is still plenty of space for different leaders with different styles emerging here in case any jingo here is interested.
I will support anyone on BRF who considers Corruption as the number one sickness plaguing India (as opposed who think "corruption is not such a big issue" types).
Perhaps a young person from BRF should come forward and be one of the leaders of this movement and take it forward.
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ANd why shouldnt the Indian politician be called out for what he is, a despicable, dirty scoundral, who is the poorest excuse possible for a human being. Why should we not call these filthy pigs out openly, so that we Indians can make a statement to the world that most of us are not like that, that these dirty pigs are not representative of us Indians as a people in general.
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And whilst they may not all be directly involved in corruption, turning a blind eye to it is just as bad. To see underhand, illegal and corrupt practices go on inside your government, party or constituency and then do nothing about it makes these parliamentarians equally as corrupt as the perpetrator imo. A point made often re the PM and his handling of Raja, Kalmadi etc.
The whole lot of them stink.
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Fiery speech of Om Puri on Ramlila ground few hours ago which is being heavily criticised on media
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Among Indian politicos there are not many options available!
One is Congress which has the richest people in India. Their UPA alliance came up with a particular ideology of developing and freeing Indians or castes but have become millionaires and billionaires in the process whether dMK or PMK or any other regional parties including Sharad Pawar. These guys started the political party with a good ideology but when they rule the country they became the rich folks.
opposites parties not much different. Many of them came from the same Congress and have got a lot of donations from TATA to local shop keeper to run their chaities or to support benomis. No political party is credible including Maxists. These generation of political groups diverted our attention from these real issues to caste fights or religious conflicts or other sensitive issues so that the common person would not ask the questions which Anna is asking today.
In this way I cannot disagree showing anger towards Indian politicians as Shivaji does (though I may not use such strong language). But the next generation of young people educated and highly intellectuals should come up and throw these old generation of politics out of power and make them history so that at least some changes can be seen in India.
A lot of transformation can be done in India at present. There is plenty of growth that people can bring in and thus make this nation as great. As someone pointed out our threat from China is very serious we have to develop strong defence systems.
Congress has divided us and made people to hate each other regionally, linguistically and in all possible ways. It is time for young people in all parties to come forward to change India so that the old generation goes away with corruption and divisons and poverty.
One is Congress which has the richest people in India. Their UPA alliance came up with a particular ideology of developing and freeing Indians or castes but have become millionaires and billionaires in the process whether dMK or PMK or any other regional parties including Sharad Pawar. These guys started the political party with a good ideology but when they rule the country they became the rich folks.
opposites parties not much different. Many of them came from the same Congress and have got a lot of donations from TATA to local shop keeper to run their chaities or to support benomis. No political party is credible including Maxists. These generation of political groups diverted our attention from these real issues to caste fights or religious conflicts or other sensitive issues so that the common person would not ask the questions which Anna is asking today.
In this way I cannot disagree showing anger towards Indian politicians as Shivaji does (though I may not use such strong language). But the next generation of young people educated and highly intellectuals should come up and throw these old generation of politics out of power and make them history so that at least some changes can be seen in India.
A lot of transformation can be done in India at present. There is plenty of growth that people can bring in and thus make this nation as great. As someone pointed out our threat from China is very serious we have to develop strong defence systems.
Congress has divided us and made people to hate each other regionally, linguistically and in all possible ways. It is time for young people in all parties to come forward to change India so that the old generation goes away with corruption and divisons and poverty.
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A half decent article on this subject
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/medium- ... -educated/
Moreover, this is not your typical Indian political movement hoping to garner votes from the illiterate or the uneducated. Instead, this is a movement of the educated. While Anna Hazare may boast about his lack of formal education, all of the people around him are well educated and highly qualified. They are lawyers, former judges, former civil servants, police officers and academics. The language they speak is very different from the language of the average politician.
As I have often pointed out, this is a movement that gains its strength from the frustrations of the educated middle class. As the middle class has grown in size, strength and influence, it has tired of the failures of conventional politics and it has nearly given up on traditional politicians. The educated middle class believes that India is a potential first world country run by third world politicians with a fourth rate sense of integrity.
Over the last few months, we have seen this kind of parallel politics develop outside of the parliamentary system. Anna Hazare’s followers are not people who put their faith in the organised electorate. For them, the crowd at Ramlila Maiden is representative of the views of India. Nor do they have much faith in parliamentary debates. They think that more sense is spoken in discussions in television studios than is ever spoken at political rallies or even, in Parliament.
I can understand their frustrations. And all of us must applaud Anna Hazare’s sincerity.
http://blogs.hindustantimes.com/medium- ... -educated/
Moreover, this is not your typical Indian political movement hoping to garner votes from the illiterate or the uneducated. Instead, this is a movement of the educated. While Anna Hazare may boast about his lack of formal education, all of the people around him are well educated and highly qualified. They are lawyers, former judges, former civil servants, police officers and academics. The language they speak is very different from the language of the average politician.
As I have often pointed out, this is a movement that gains its strength from the frustrations of the educated middle class. As the middle class has grown in size, strength and influence, it has tired of the failures of conventional politics and it has nearly given up on traditional politicians. The educated middle class believes that India is a potential first world country run by third world politicians with a fourth rate sense of integrity.
Over the last few months, we have seen this kind of parallel politics develop outside of the parliamentary system. Anna Hazare’s followers are not people who put their faith in the organised electorate. For them, the crowd at Ramlila Maiden is representative of the views of India. Nor do they have much faith in parliamentary debates. They think that more sense is spoken in discussions in television studios than is ever spoken at political rallies or even, in Parliament.
I can understand their frustrations. And all of us must applaud Anna Hazare’s sincerity.
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All this would end,..if the Nehru dynasty are kicked out of India for good. Lets see how the congress leftist party rule on their own policy and values and agenda. After ruling for 50 years out of 60 years and not recognizing that this is not even a republic is extreme stupidity of the population. Just my opinion.
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^^ +1 Manny Ji
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Om puri has touched a lot of raw nerves by telling the truth. I am his ardent fan from today
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And who was the chootiy@nandan in the studio who claimed that 70% of the population in UP is gawar/illiterate ? I mean even if one goes by census it does not add up.
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The seemingly perfect division of power between Sonia Gandhi, the politician, and Manmohan Singh, the policy wonk, has imploded, exposing a party riven by indecision and miscommunication.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 49229.html
Beautiful cover story on AH saga and congress response .
Anna may break his fast today according to Bhaiyyu ji (spiritual guru).
I have never understood how these gurus Bhaiyyu ji or Sri Sri become so omnipotent.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/story ... 49229.html
Beautiful cover story on AH saga and congress response .
Anna may break his fast today according to Bhaiyyu ji (spiritual guru).
I have never understood how these gurus Bhaiyyu ji or Sri Sri become so omnipotent.
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Just turn any news channel (like NDTV) on and see how Om Puri is being demeaned.praksam wrote:Om puri has touched a lot of raw nerves by telling the truth. I am his ardent fan from today
Om Puri (IMO) represented the anger of aam aadmi in true spirit.
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From Roulbaba's speech in parliament (full):
After "Hindu right wing terror more dangerous", this "the target may be plurality" can take a second rank amongst his quotes.A tactical incursion, divorced from the machinery of an elected Government that seeks to undo the checks and balances created to protect the supremacy of Parliament sets a dangerous precedent for a democracy.
Today the proposed law is against corruption. Tomorrow the target may be something less universally heralded. It may attack the plurality of our society and democracy.
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I believe we need more democracy within our political parties. I believe in Government funding of our political parties. I believe in empowering our youth; in opening the doors of our closed political system; in bringing fresh blood into politics and into this House.
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Raul must be smoking potent ganja to pull off that speech where he says that he believes in democracy within political parties! I mean what the blimming Pakistan, if there was internal democracy in his own party he would not have been in parliament
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What if all the voters are sycophant for various reasons.Mahendra wrote:Raul must be smoking potent ganja to pull off that speech where he says that he believes in democracy within political parties! I mean what the blimming Pakistan, if there was internal democracy in his own party he would not have been in parliament
I am sure if there is a voting for congress president and RG stands, all Congress members will vote for him.
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As a side-note (from Congress Culture, The Arun Shourie Site):Mahendra wrote:Raul must be smoking potent ganja to pull off that speech where he says that he believes in democracy within political parties! I mean what the blimming Pakistan, if there was internal democracy in his own party he would not have been in parliament
As he arrived, Sitaram Kesri was punched in the stomach, he was hit in the face, his spectacles were snatched, his Gandhi cap was grabbed and torn up, his car windowpane was smashed. Jitendra Prasad was roughed up... Salman Khurshid's supporters, The Economic Times reported, were heard going up to him and telling him that they had "done it".
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The worst part is the contempt these elitist display for the Amm Janta. The half of anti- Ghooskhori movement is half of Indian French Revolution. IFR is not on 100% scale yet and history tells us when it ended Top Tittars were Torn by the Horn.Manny wrote:All this would end,..if the Nehru dynasty are kicked out of India for good. Lets see how the congress leftist party rule on their own policy and values and agenda. After ruling for 50 years out of 60 years and not recognizing that this is not even a republic is extreme stupidity of the population. Just my opinion.
We on BRF are not the onlee one getting lungi in twist at the every utterance of Doggy Moggy orr Peechy Patil or Tragic Tiwari. Its about time these current Pagalemntarians become true Parliamentarian and start respecting the wishes of average Indians and represent their aspirations. The curent political crop have lost resepct becuase of their misdeeds and they must earn it with their deeds and not demand under assumtion they deserve it or we owe them. IF half of criminal elements among political class gets dettered by the current agitation/awakening , then IMHO Anna have achieved much more than any other movement in last 30 -40years.
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Great speech by Ompuri. Con-media will be after him like a crazy dog.IndraD wrote:
Fiery speech of Om Puri on Ramlila ground few hours ago which is being heavily criticised on media
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Riveting speech by Om Puri; I wish he had not used the tone or attitude towards 'unpad' and 'gawar'. However, the look of media people was - priceless. This one doode kept shaking his head all the time. The other three were dumb-struck. A real mass awakening. Genie out of the bottle - for good or bad. Good people better use this opportunity.
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NDA wants vote on the Jan Lokpal bill while CORRUPT CON masters of UPA don't want - Times now
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Shree Puri pwned!!
(I did not understand what the two words meant till later, but that doesnt prevent me from agreeing 100% with him on who needs a whack in the butt)

(I did not understand what the two words meant till later, but that doesnt prevent me from agreeing 100% with him on who needs a whack in the butt)
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/allie ... m/837471/2
Well looks like agnivesh has collected his hafta and thinks others should follow him too...
The agitation could have been called off with utmost respect had the limits been respected,” Agnivesh said. “We could very well have thanked the government and the youth of the country for such overwhelming support. The government has agreed to present the draft Jan Lokpal Bill in Parliament, but Kiran Bedi and Arvind Kejriwal, who are Anna’s closest advisers and on whom he relies the most, are again acting pricey and are stuck on getting the Bill passed. What is the need for that?”

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Want to live in the India Anna wants to build?
Dung Beetle
Dung Beetle
Millions of Indians, mainly the middle strata amongst the upper castes, were waiting for an Anna to descend on them with an Indian edition of Talibanism, says Chandrabhan Prasad
To Anna Hazare all politicians are corrupt, all government officials are corrupt, all government employees are corrupt -- and all voters are corrupt too.Thankfully, for Anna, NGOs are incorruptible and there is no need to bring them under the Jan Lok Pal. A peep into Anna's larger persona shows his instinctive hatred towards representative democracy, Parliament, politicians, voters, and instruments of the State. True, Anna, the new Gandhi, has transformed his village Ralegaon Siddhi radically. He has made his village hunger free. In the process, he has turned Ralegaon Siddhi into a tiny Taliban-like republic.In this new Gandhi's republic drinking alcohol is strictly prohibited. Vegetarianism is practiced strictly. No one can sell or consume paan/bidi cigarettes or gutka.In his republic, no one can watch films except religious ones. All forms of music, except bhajans, are prohibited. Even in a wedding procession, only religious songs are permitted. He says women should guard their virginity till wedlock and produce brave soldiers. What if a resident violates the above codes Get tied to a pole in the centre of the village; public flogging is the norm.To the new Gandhi, patriotism is the reason all Indians are born. Strict moral codes regulate everyday life in Anna's republic. His word is the law that all residents must obey. He, in fact, is a law unto himself. He would accept no authority other than the authority of the Almighty. In Delhi's Tihar prison, he broke the rules of all the prison manuals that came his way.Anna has now stepped out of his republic and wants to transform the whole of India into Ralegaon Siddhi.In a billion plus India, millions of Indians -- mainly the middle strata amongst the upper castes, were waiting for an Anna to descend on them with an Indian edition of Taliban [ Images ]ism. All societies possess conservatives and India can't be an exception. The difference, however, is that when the upper castes display their conservatism, they turn into a Taliban. Anna has come to harvest that social constituency.
Would any esteemed readers like to reside in an India Anna Hazare is threatening to build
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A little flashback: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 47,00.html
Even more telling was a sharp letter to the Times of India from Nehru's brother-in-law, wealthy businessman Raja Hutheesingh, who held the Prime Minister more responsible than the Congress Party for the nation's "corruption, nepotism, jobbery and unseemly haste to amass wealth by crooked gains and avoidance of taxation. All these sores of the body politic grow larger and larger every day." He went on: "Our present degradation is leading the country to the same morass in which Chiang Kai-shek's China found itself. There was no rescue in China from the jaws of Communism. But in India we had one hope. If a man like Mr. Nehru could shed the glamour of office, he could, perhaps—it is a small chance—bring back the only organized party in the country to a righteous path of service and sacrifice." But instead, "Mr. Nehru, by his decision, has taken away that little glimmer and left us in the darkness of a totalitarian future. Oh! Weep for Adonis!"
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The worst thing that these pig politicians have done is not just to corrupt themselves and loot the country, both of which they have done in abundance, but the worst thing they have done is that they have corrupted entire communities of Indians by bribing them with national wealth and national resources.
The entire Dalit community feels that if any kinds of reform succeed, they will be the losers. They are afraid to lose the crumbs that the politicians have thrown their way and the Dalit leaders who have become disproportionately rich and powerful in the current setup, stoke these fires within the Dalit community, for the fear of losing their ill gotten privileges.
The entire Muslim community has been bribed via appeasement and freebies such as Haj trip expenses.
Large sections of the rural poor across the country, regardless of caste, have been rendered useless and incapable of working, because hey have been put on a kind of a permanent dole by these pig politicians who keep coming up with useless scheme after useless scheme, putting just enough in these people's pockets for them to get by without any hope for a bright future. Same goes for the urban poor.
The urban working class has been bribed by allowing them to strike at will, disrupting day to day life of ordinary people and these people have also been given the privileges to assemble in large numbers anywhere regardless of how it will affect traffic or law and order. This class fears that if Ana Sab's movement succeeds then they may lose their privileges. Please note that this class has never required any police or administration permissions to protest. They normally assemble spontaneously as flash mobs.
The entire criminally minded have been bribed by completely watering down the legal and law enforcement system, to where there practically is no law and order in the country and practically no legal system in the country. This has increased the ranks of the criminal class as those that were not ordinarily inclined to commit crimes now commit them in abundance in the absence of law and order.
Lot of the poor and Dalit groups have been bought off and bribed by reservations in jobs, education institutions etc, and they fear losing those privileges if there is any kind of reform.
Then there is an entire class that can be categorized as "land thieves". This cuts across caste and economic class lines and ranges from builders and land owners down to petty land thieves who steal public lands to establish their businesses and completely ruin the cityscape and even rural landscape. Not only do these land thieves make our country ugly, but promote further lawlessness, as no one is there to stop these land thieves, whether they be rich or come from the hoodlum class. This entire class has been bribed by allowing them to steal land and they feel threatened by Ana Sab's movement.
The large industrialists and business houses, we all know how they have been bribed.
The shop keepers and the small merchant class has been bribed by allowing these people to shirk the tax laws and enabling them to pay off the excise and sales tax inspectors where they steal billions of rupees from the Govt of India every year in taxes. This class fears the end of corruption.
So, the scum politician has very cleverly manipulated our democracy, misused our constitution, misappropriated our national wealth and weakened our institutions to corrupt entire segments of population, which now out of fear of losing their ill gotten privileges, act as the bedrock and base for these "nalayak" politicians.
It is this bedrock of support from the corrupted communities which have gigantic numbers in India that emboldens the government and is the real impediment to any kind of reform.
The entire Dalit community feels that if any kinds of reform succeed, they will be the losers. They are afraid to lose the crumbs that the politicians have thrown their way and the Dalit leaders who have become disproportionately rich and powerful in the current setup, stoke these fires within the Dalit community, for the fear of losing their ill gotten privileges.
The entire Muslim community has been bribed via appeasement and freebies such as Haj trip expenses.
Large sections of the rural poor across the country, regardless of caste, have been rendered useless and incapable of working, because hey have been put on a kind of a permanent dole by these pig politicians who keep coming up with useless scheme after useless scheme, putting just enough in these people's pockets for them to get by without any hope for a bright future. Same goes for the urban poor.
The urban working class has been bribed by allowing them to strike at will, disrupting day to day life of ordinary people and these people have also been given the privileges to assemble in large numbers anywhere regardless of how it will affect traffic or law and order. This class fears that if Ana Sab's movement succeeds then they may lose their privileges. Please note that this class has never required any police or administration permissions to protest. They normally assemble spontaneously as flash mobs.
The entire criminally minded have been bribed by completely watering down the legal and law enforcement system, to where there practically is no law and order in the country and practically no legal system in the country. This has increased the ranks of the criminal class as those that were not ordinarily inclined to commit crimes now commit them in abundance in the absence of law and order.
Lot of the poor and Dalit groups have been bought off and bribed by reservations in jobs, education institutions etc, and they fear losing those privileges if there is any kind of reform.
Then there is an entire class that can be categorized as "land thieves". This cuts across caste and economic class lines and ranges from builders and land owners down to petty land thieves who steal public lands to establish their businesses and completely ruin the cityscape and even rural landscape. Not only do these land thieves make our country ugly, but promote further lawlessness, as no one is there to stop these land thieves, whether they be rich or come from the hoodlum class. This entire class has been bribed by allowing them to steal land and they feel threatened by Ana Sab's movement.
The large industrialists and business houses, we all know how they have been bribed.
The shop keepers and the small merchant class has been bribed by allowing these people to shirk the tax laws and enabling them to pay off the excise and sales tax inspectors where they steal billions of rupees from the Govt of India every year in taxes. This class fears the end of corruption.
So, the scum politician has very cleverly manipulated our democracy, misused our constitution, misappropriated our national wealth and weakened our institutions to corrupt entire segments of population, which now out of fear of losing their ill gotten privileges, act as the bedrock and base for these "nalayak" politicians.
It is this bedrock of support from the corrupted communities which have gigantic numbers in India that emboldens the government and is the real impediment to any kind of reform.
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well finally anna team has answered.. btw, you should know which rahul is corrupted and leading the most corrupted party in the world.disha wrote:Which Rahul? There are two Rahuls on BR and both their thoughts matter. If you are refering to the Amul baby a.k.a RG, the scion of maino then sorry did not know he was capable of thoughts leave alone independent thoughts.SaiK wrote:wtf... no body questions rahul g's thoughts.. he says desires are not important.. only institutional correction is required.. what crap? so they can hide all the loot institutionally, and keep the stolen wealth away from the public. ????
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This is another version of congress attack when the first attempt to make him communal failed. So they have now asked their chamchas to go and ask for reservation.
For long time it was the oldies of the Congress party who got hit each and every day. After taking a lot of beatings, they thought enough of it. I cannot take no more. And unleashed the "young turks" (NOw dont fight over the term being young Turks and not young Indians
) But this young turks are now getting hit by budde Indians and even by Young Indians on all channels. Now these turks will also get dirty.
Congress don't have any intention to end this issue. They are trying to prolong it as long as possible.
The Maoist Agnivesh finally showed his red colour and waved his lal jhanda to stop the fast. This was known very early that this person is dangerous for the movement and must be kept away as far as possible. In one way this is a good thing. The more he is kept away the better. Every sympathizer who is with team Anna is in a way associated with some organisations and is no way called to be completely clean. No one can move a finger against Anna is because, Anna is so clean.
Anna must win and not only Anna must win, Anna must come out of his weak state of health and then lead the nation in other kraanti that will benifit the Indian nation.
(Drunkards of BR be beware, the next one will be banning cigarattes and alcohol
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For long time it was the oldies of the Congress party who got hit each and every day. After taking a lot of beatings, they thought enough of it. I cannot take no more. And unleashed the "young turks" (NOw dont fight over the term being young Turks and not young Indians

Congress don't have any intention to end this issue. They are trying to prolong it as long as possible.
The Maoist Agnivesh finally showed his red colour and waved his lal jhanda to stop the fast. This was known very early that this person is dangerous for the movement and must be kept away as far as possible. In one way this is a good thing. The more he is kept away the better. Every sympathizer who is with team Anna is in a way associated with some organisations and is no way called to be completely clean. No one can move a finger against Anna is because, Anna is so clean.
Anna must win and not only Anna must win, Anna must come out of his weak state of health and then lead the nation in other kraanti that will benifit the Indian nation.
(Drunkards of BR be beware, the next one will be banning cigarattes and alcohol

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Just saw a video of Rahul Gandhi's speech.
He repeated the same thing that many are saying, which is that Lok Pal by itself, no matter how strong it is, will not stop corruption. There has to be a package of ideas, acts, bills, executive decisions, judicial reforms and other things, a comprehensive package that is required to tackle corruption. This is plain and simple demougogary. While it is true that a comprehensive package is required, no one can deny that, and Ana Sab is not denying that, why cant Jan Lok Pal be implemented first as per Ana Sab's and the country's demand and then very quickly the Parliament and other institutions can take other measures which together will constitute this so called "package". Ana Sab is not saying, "dont do anything after Lok Pal". In fact he will welcome additional steps, if they are effective and not just for show.
But what really makes me angry about these pigs who say that a comprehensive pacakge is required not just Lok Pal. My question is, what stopped the UPA government to come up with that pacakge so far. They have been in the government now, this time around, for what, at least six or seven years. What stopped them from coming with this "comprehensive package", that Rahul Gandhi and others talk about in these past six or seven years ? Or perhaps, six or seven years is not long enough. More time is needed. Ana Sab, Babaji and others have only started their demonstration for Jan Lok Pal a few months ago. Why did this "mighty and all powerful, constitutionally constituted body", this sole body that has the authority to make laws, which is the Parliament not bring up any bill or any comprehensive package for even a debate, leave aside passing it, in the last six or seven years ? Why did the NDA before it not do it ? Why did successive Congress governments since Nehru not do it ?
Why is it that when now, Ana Sab has been able to glavanize large numbers of people, that these pigs are talking about going even further than Ana Sab and talking about a "comprehensive package", when they are not even willing to pass one part of the package, Jan Lok Pal now, within a certain time limit ?
The answer is, they are trying to fool all the people again. They have very little respect for the intelligence of an average Indian and think that they can hoodwink him again. It is such a transparent attempt to fool people that I am apalled that they would even try it. These guys need a good shalacking to get them out of this mindlessly arrogant state that they are in.
He repeated the same thing that many are saying, which is that Lok Pal by itself, no matter how strong it is, will not stop corruption. There has to be a package of ideas, acts, bills, executive decisions, judicial reforms and other things, a comprehensive package that is required to tackle corruption. This is plain and simple demougogary. While it is true that a comprehensive package is required, no one can deny that, and Ana Sab is not denying that, why cant Jan Lok Pal be implemented first as per Ana Sab's and the country's demand and then very quickly the Parliament and other institutions can take other measures which together will constitute this so called "package". Ana Sab is not saying, "dont do anything after Lok Pal". In fact he will welcome additional steps, if they are effective and not just for show.
But what really makes me angry about these pigs who say that a comprehensive pacakge is required not just Lok Pal. My question is, what stopped the UPA government to come up with that pacakge so far. They have been in the government now, this time around, for what, at least six or seven years. What stopped them from coming with this "comprehensive package", that Rahul Gandhi and others talk about in these past six or seven years ? Or perhaps, six or seven years is not long enough. More time is needed. Ana Sab, Babaji and others have only started their demonstration for Jan Lok Pal a few months ago. Why did this "mighty and all powerful, constitutionally constituted body", this sole body that has the authority to make laws, which is the Parliament not bring up any bill or any comprehensive package for even a debate, leave aside passing it, in the last six or seven years ? Why did the NDA before it not do it ? Why did successive Congress governments since Nehru not do it ?
Why is it that when now, Ana Sab has been able to glavanize large numbers of people, that these pigs are talking about going even further than Ana Sab and talking about a "comprehensive package", when they are not even willing to pass one part of the package, Jan Lok Pal now, within a certain time limit ?
The answer is, they are trying to fool all the people again. They have very little respect for the intelligence of an average Indian and think that they can hoodwink him again. It is such a transparent attempt to fool people that I am apalled that they would even try it. These guys need a good shalacking to get them out of this mindlessly arrogant state that they are in.
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Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II
Rahul Mehta is already there:shivajisisodia wrote:How about someone from here (BRF) emerging as a leader ?Dhiman wrote: as far as I can tell the war has just started and needless to say there is still plenty of space for different leaders with different styles emerging here in case any jingo here is interested.
I will support anyone on BRF who considers Corruption as the number one sickness plaguing India (as opposed who think "corruption is not such a big issue" types).
Perhaps a young person from BRF should come forward and be one of the leaders of this movement and take it forward.
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But the fact that they are still living hand-to-mouth in 2011 is a result of decades of corruption.Theo_Fidel wrote:Corruption affects poor and middle class in different ways.disha wrote:It is okay to thump your chest for your caste/class/religion/state/language/mohalla/village/town/city brother., one has to recognize that corruption is all pervasive and affects everybody irrespective of the above.
Poor are just trying to survive and worrying about next meal for themselves and kids. To them a Govt. doctor refusing them treatment without payment is the same as a forest official refusing to let them get firewood from a national forest. It is all one great experience of how the system is pretty sh*tty and god awful to them. Corruption or no corruption the system is still sh*tty to them. Makes little difference.
Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II
No, the movement gets most of its strength from the frustrations of the working class ... just look at the crowds. There is a smattering of middle classes, but by and large the middle classes are too comfortable to come out on the streets.Manny wrote: As I have often pointed out, this is a movement that gains its strength from the frustrations of the educated middle class.
Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II
Not a solution, there are lots of sleazy families who would jump at the chance to replace the ghandis.Manny wrote:All this would end,..if the Nehru dynasty are kicked out of India for good. Lets see how the congress leftist party rule on their own policy and values and agenda. After ruling for 50 years out of 60 years and not recognizing that this is not even a republic is extreme stupidity of the population. Just my opinion.
Re: The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II
Why make a self goal. Plenty of Dalits with Anna. The Dalit "anti-Anna" march was full of paid protestors, didn't you read that story?shivajisisodia wrote: The entire Dalit community feels that if any kinds of reform succeed, they will be the losers.
Ordinary Dalits scarcely get any crumbs, whatever crumbs are thrown mostly get siphoned off, it's the "leaders" that are making the noises.They are afraid to lose the crumbs that the politicians have thrown their way and the Dalit leaders who have become disproportionately rich and powerful in the current setup, stoke these fires within the Dalit community, for the fear of losing their ill gotten privileges.
Again, lots of Muslims with Anna, that's what makes their leaders insecure.The entire Muslim community has been bribed via appeasement and freebies such as Haj trip expenses.