Pandav wrote: These guys simply copy paste in PDF from DFI or BRF ,yesterday i posted NASR/Prahaar comparision table in BRF and DFI but few mins later someone posted in PDF,It seems they always lurking Our threads
James B wrote: Here is a cross-post from a member who was registered in hacked IDF but never registered in fake forum. He is shocked to find his membership in this fake forum even though he never registered. How - you can all imagine how.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9578/checkitn.jpg
Thanks for the information boys. Now, as pointed out by someone, defence.pk and "Indiandefence.com" are run by what is called as "World Defence Network" (WDN) registered in Indiana in Amrika. Wolrd Defence Network has a basic web page that has an FAQ where the admin has revealed some takleef about this thread.James B wrote: Anyways, another info on the forum. As I said in my previous post that the fake forum has imported all the member names from the original IDF database. As it happens, I had a look at one of the members account and I found that the member's join date is 2007 while the fake forum has only started in 2010.
Here is the screenshot
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5135/picture1pv.png
The man is trying to deny that there is any connection between the different WDN sites and in a Freudian slip he has reacted - like a child saying "Momma I did not do it" before momma finds out that her vase is broken. 
Once a Paki always a moron.Of course I have the screenshot of the page and should this FAQ "vanish" soon I will post the screenshot.1) What is the World Defence Network?
World Defence Network is a way for similar sites to cooperate together in the following fields below.
- Better linkage: This results in users of different countries having access to multiple websites that interests them. 1) Their Country 2) Friendly Countries 3) Countries that create potential threat for them.
- Cost: World Defence Network saves costs for sites that exist in the network. It provides 1) similar design (network sites design) 2) Work together on various modifications for better user experience 3) Hosting at same data center saves costs 4) Share editors to expand on similar defence news.
2) Who runs the site X?
Ans) Every site in the network is independently run and managed. Those who manage a particular site usually can be seen through http://www.X.com/forums/showgroups.php (where X is the site domain.
3) The site Y says that site X1 and X2 are related? (Where X is WDN site?)
Ans) They are related but only for the things above, anything else is “made up” to provide false information and misguide the users.
I don't disagree with you. But what do we do with brain dead Indians who don't care what else exists on the site as long as they get their fix?ChandraV wrote:Shiv:
That is the point - they are surviving on Indian traffic and Indian eyeballs. Yet, they have the luxury of banning Indians whenever they feel like, because of the popularity of the forum. There will be enough new Indians to take their place. Additionally, the banned person will himself make it an ego issue and re-register with a different ID
IDF is going to go the same way - the aim of the admin is to generate popularity for the forum and make it respectable among Indians. He will allow Indians to feel comfortable there and make it seem like it is "hamara Bharatiya forum". When the popularity is high and it becomes self-sustaining like PDF, he will pull the strings to make the mods, viewpoints, and discussions pro-Paki. That is the ultimate aim.
and when his error is pointed out he says that he is very sick and in hospital. Mucus. An enormous sphere of mucus.
jagjitnatt wrote:Oh boy! Really?forumraja wrote:OK, if it can be assured that the entire show is Indian, I will take care of the entire hosting expenses for the first three months, till finances (donations, ad revenue, etc.) pick up.
Of course, this is contingent upon the fact that the entire control must be in Indian hands - and that the domain remains the same (indiandefence.com). For the love of god, I hope the owner of this domain name is Indian!
If there's one thing I can assure you at the moment, its that the forum will be completely Indian. I am also the administrator here. I can prove that I am an Indian, and live in India. Tariq is in US. Once we move to new servers, ad revenue will be channeled to our accounts.
tariqkhan18 wrote:*** guys here not need to register and meddle in our affairs. Dont post in this thread if you dont have been member for past month or have less than 10 posts. For all we know mods and admins of the other forum registering here and further deluding minds.
tariqkhan18 wrote:Bro, I am Indian. Everyone who posts here knows me. There is no need to entertain questions from the other forum as they have ill will towards us. They have no right to this forum.Bangalorean wrote:Yep, lets hear that one. Are you Indian? If so, which part of India are you from? What languages do you speak?
Sorry to sound like an interrogator here - but I want to get my fundas right... as do many hundreds of others, I'm sure.
JFYI, My background hails from Hyderabad, but i have been in the U.S. for a while.
tariqkhan18 wrote:We are going to be taking off soon. Your contribution towards IDF will be historical. We will soon let you know the payment methods, so we can take off as soon as possible.
smeagle wrote:I just got some new information by reading on the other forums. There are still a lot of questions lingering in my mind as to the ownership of the forum. The answers are not clear cut. I also wondered if the number of members 4500 is true or is it inflated and did some research on the forum. I found to my astonishment that there are many members that I know from the previous original Indian Defence Forum are here but never post which I felt very odd. And then I clicked on some of the members pages and found that all of them are registered in 2006, 2007, 2008 and so on. How is that possible?. Its only possible if the owners/admins of the members have sneakily imported the members from the hacked IDF database to inflate the members numbers.
Can we have some clarity here.
Here is the link to all old members of original IDF. Click on any username and you will know what I'm talking.
Dragon Slayer wrote:The fellows who are busy spreading propaganda against IDf,are basing their logic on the same argument that just because IDF & PDF are on same server it's fake.Both India & Pakistan are part of Asia does that mean India is owned by Pakistan?
Galaxy wrote:1 specific username says "Member since 4 years" This forum started last year only. That ID was with Old IDF before it was hacked. I registered only 2 months back "Galaxy". Strange how Old ID is here when it was created on different Indian Forum (later on that Database was hacked).smeagle wrote:I just got some new information by reading on the other forums. There are still a lot of questions lingering in my mind as to the ownership of the forum. The answers are not clear cut. I also wondered if the number of members 4500 is true or is it inflated and did some research on the forum. I found to my astonishment that there are many members that I know from the previous original Indian Defence Forum are here but never post which I felt very odd. And then I clicked on some of the members pages and found that all of them are registered in 2006, 2007, 2008 and so on. How is that possible?. Its only possible if the owners/admins of the members have sneakily imported the members from the hacked IDF database to inflate the members numbers.
Can we have some clarity here.
Here is the link to all old members of original IDF. Click on any username and you will know what I'm talking.
praveen007 wrote:ok guys here is my question of admins and mods.
if this site is originated and came online in 2010, and all the admins (i.e. Tariq and J.N)also registered in 2010 then why and how come few members are registered here from 2007.
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See the enclosed pic.
smeagle wrote:It must have done to inflate the members numbers and post counts, I don't think of any other reason unless the admins clarify on this.1 specific username says "Member since 4 years" This forum started last year only. That ID was with Old IDF before it was hacked. I registered only 2 months back "Galaxy". Strange how Old ID is here when it was created on different Indian Forum (later on that Database was hacked).
galaxy wrote:Can you tell me how all UserID from another forum can come here ? It's not possible dude. Old Indian Defence Forum Database was hacked. Those ID which was created on different Indian Forum are now visible here.It must have done to inflate the members numbers and post counts, I don't think of any other reason unless the admins clarify on this.
I registered 2 month back only here but i am surprised to see 1 ID here with whom i use to talk 3-4 year back on different forum.
galaxy wrote:Old Database was hacked by Pakistani.
Now Who can upload Old IDF database on this forum ? Of Course those who have Old Database i.e. Pakistani Hacker.
Also Who can Upload Old hacked Database here ? Only Owner of this forum and not even Mods. No other person can upload as it password protected. Otherwise anyone can upload anything on any website.
Even IDF is located on server owned by a Pakistani. Now, One can understand everything !
..this is getting interestingjagjitnatt wrote:old IDF was not hacked or anything. we bought their site to buy the domain name. We were Bharat Rakshak before IDF if anyone remember. So we imported the old database just to have a larger audience and sent emails to all those people, so that we get more members
Osiris wrote:old domain name was Bharat military forumjagjitnatt wrote:old IDF was not hacked or anything. we bought their site to buy the domain name. We were Bharat Rakshak before IDF if anyone remember. So we imported the old database just to have a larger audience and sent emails to all those people, so that we get more members [/color]
smeagle wrote:Well I was part of old IDF too and I know many of the names in that imported database and I don't see any of them here. Most of these people are either on BR or D/F/I . The admins of old IDF - Srirangan, F-14, SATA are there on D/F/I and Sri is also on BR. I just confirmed with Srirangan through previous admin of IDF that he has not sold the domain name nor the the database. And don't confuse domain name - indiandefenceforum.com with indiandefence.comSpArK wrote:Even Rangan sir was here after the invitation and many remember his thread here.. will it be also called fake..????
The thread i provided was not made by me.. i just searched for any old timers posts and could find only a few.
Well if your insisting on believing everything is fake i cant help it.
Even i was called fake.. so i rather spend time looking for things i like (defence articles) for examples rather than participating in such threads based on people claiming this and that with edited chat transcripts and edited mails.. Anyway i am thankful that the publicity that the forum got in recent days was good and hope the lurkers continue it...
We have a steady Alexa ranking and we are proving to be a good database of defence related articles. Thats all i cares.
Most old people were here because, when they received invitations based on e-mails harvested from the old IDF database, they thought that it was a resurrection of IDF again.
And you say the there is a thread by Srirangan, where is it?. Some answers are needed.
jagjitnatt wrote:Oh sorry. am very sick. hospitalized actually. so made a mistake. We were BharatMilitary.comWasn't it BMF (Bharat Military Forum)
Then we bought IndianDefence.com
Sick yes.jagjtnatt wrote:Old Indian Defence was not a forum. It was a site with articles on Defence. It was dormant. So we bought it. I know the old owner. I even checked his site when we were discussing a new domain to buy
smeagle wrote:But you said you bought the database which contains the member names. These members are not from Indiandefence.com but from indiandefenceforum.com. You don't know anything about old IDF then. You are confused and confusing others.jagjtnatt wrote:Old Indian Defence was not a forum. It was a site with articles on Defence. It was dormant. So we bought it. I know the old owner. I even checked his site when we were discussing a new domain to buy
Dragon Slayer wrote:
The fellows who are busy spreading propaganda against IDf,are basing their logic on the same argument that just because IDF & PDF are on same server it's fake.Both India & Pakistan are part of Asia does that mean India is owned by Pakistan?
pakis never disappoint do they ?^SaiK wrote:why are pakis after India in a broader sense
Rahul M wrote:Dragon Slayer wrote:
The fellows who are busy spreading propaganda against IDf,are basing their logic on the same argument that just because IDF & PDF are on same server it's fake.Both India & Pakistan are part of Asia does that mean India is owned by Pakistan?
how do you spell lahori logic ?
And this guy uses Indian Flag on the forum. Most likely a paki false flaggingRahul M wrote:Dragon Slayer wrote:
The fellows who are busy spreading propaganda against IDf,are basing their logic on the same argument that just because IDF & PDF are on same server it's fake.Both India & Pakistan are part of Asia does that mean India is owned by Pakistan?
how do you spell lahori logic ?
That too would be virtual. Cyber *** with cyber virgins?chiragAS wrote:
2.) virtual jihad also gives them the right to claim for their 72s.
In order to satisfy some concerned members about IDF having Pakistani influence and soon Chinese, because it is part of the World Defence Network. We have decided to make following changes.
IndianDefence.com will become completely independent.
We will no longer share our database with the WDN server due to privacy concerns by our members.
Because of the above, there will be financial expenses which will need to be covered by the committed members who have already shown full support.
The available options to donate would be to buy subscription so members who have contributed get the due publicity.
You can donate via bank and PayPal. Details for them will be available soon.
Along with the donations, we will apply for the advertisements which will also help cover the costs.
I would like to thank the WDN for their support in helping and making what the IDF is today, it wouldn't have been possible with due technical support and suggestions.
-Indian Defence
How can one use another forum's database without taking the permission of the owner of that database. And this is what he has to sayThe OLD IDF was not hacked, as far as i know the database was uploaded on the website mistakenly. You can still download that database from rapidshare.
NEW IDF has nothing to do with the old IDF, except that we have managed to save and up the data.
You can see pakiness oozing out from every opening of this guy.I am willing to face the legal trouble if needed. The copyright owner has not contacted me to take off the data. Instead, its good to bring back the old users so that all may not be lost.
Yusuf request you to please take out those words cyber _ _ _ from this.Yusuf wrote:That too would be virtualchiragAS wrote:
2.) virtual jihad also gives them the right to claim for their 72s.
Did we discuss anybody else from that region in this thread ?[Today 02:43 AM] tariqkhan18 : I live in Indiana, Indianapolis
[Today 02:45 AM] tariqkhan18 : Are you muslim?
[Today 02:45 AM] tariqkhan18 : Why dont you come meet me here in Indianapolis.
[Today 02:45 AM] tariqkhan18 : Why would i understand telugu?
Today 02:46 AM] tariqkhan18 : but its the u.s.
[Today 02:46 AM] tariqkhan18 : yeah, indian passport i wouldn't have cared
The latest quote from my pakistani brother is here for all to read.[Today 03:05 AM] tariqkhan18 : i know the PDF webmaster personally
[Today 03:05 AM] Firemaster : what it means
[Today 03:05 AM] tariqkhan18 : IDF was started by me because of defence.pk
It is simply due to jealousy and bitterness at India's rise on the world stage. Pakistan has shaped itself as a narrow minded society solely trying to compete with India at a time when Indian leaders set India on a path trying to race and catch up with the rest of the world. This is the reason Pakistan is today in total shambles and their only stated goal since independence, of bettering India, also lies in shambles. The Pakistanis are only taking out their frustrations at their own failed state by being sore loosers and poking at anything Indian, any chance they get.SaiK wrote:why are pakis after India in a broader sense.. they attack from grocery stores, defence sites, discussion forums, team anna and every thing and anything is occupy India namespace. The interesting thing if one happens to search on google on our platforms and latest newj, it so happens that some body in paki forum discussing it with a desi handle. that puzzles me a lot! [not that i don't understand their behavior, but puzzled by their objectives?]
I couldn't have said it better myself. Pakistanis are but a frustrated bunch!Ten days before he was assassinated in January, my father, Salman Taseer, sent out a tweet about an Indian rocket that had come down over the Bay of Bengal: "Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice."
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To understand the Pakistani obsession with India, to get a sense of its special edge—its hysteria—it is necessary to understand the rejection of India, its culture and past, that lies at the heart of the idea of Pakistan.
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The reversal in the fortunes of the two countries—India's sudden prosperity and cultural power, seen next to the calamity of Muhammad Iqbal's unrealized utopia—is what explains the bitterness of my father's tweet just days before he died. It captures the rage of being forced to reject a culture of which you feel effortlessly a part—a culture that Pakistanis, via Bollywood, experience daily in their homes.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 08294.html
My guess and my take. He is not "Indian" in any sense of the word. It is likely that he is "American" whose background is more Pakistani than Indian - but, like all Pakistanis there has to be an Indian connection in the remote past - perhaps grandparents generation.ChandraV wrote: I am 100% convinced that Tariq is Pakistani, but the other members have their doubts and want to "make sure".
No Sir, they are not. They are just parasites and enjoy being one.Pakistanis are but a frustrated bunch!
Well all pakis have an Indian connection that they have taken great pains over 60 years to wipe off in an effort to be Arabs.shiv wrote:
My guess and my take. He is not "Indian" in any sense of the word. It is likely that he is "American" whose background is more Pakistani than Indian - but, like all Pakistanis there has to be an Indian connection in the remote past - perhaps grandparents generation.
Every person is responsible for his actions. Both defpk and Indian Defence forum seem very very welcoming and friendly to Indians.Sasi_ryu wrote: Please dont blame members there
shiv wrote:Every person is responsible for his actions. Both defpk and Indian Defence forum seem very very welcoming and friendly to Indians.Sasi_ryu wrote: Please dont blame members there
But I would expect Indians to be, at the very least up to date with the news in India and if he is a military enthusiast he should know that a fairly large proportion of the Indian defence effort has gone into modernizing its "counter insurgency" and "counter terrorism" efforts. That much should ne common knowledge for all Indians . The Northern command of the Indian army has been in a continuous state of war for two decades and are the best in the world in dealing with heavily armed state supported terrorists.
No let me ask a question:
From which country do the maximum number of terrorists enter India? For convenience let me make it a multiple choice questionFirst the first time let me post a link to Indian defence forum. Please go through every single thread on that forum and see how much space is given to terrorism from Pakistan?
- 1. Boputhatawana
2. Sweden
3. Pakistan
4. Nauru
http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/#in ... ary-forums
There is a friggin thread on Naxalites. But not on Paki terorism or counter terrorism. Even in the last 7 days dozens of Paki terrorist brothers of the owners of Indian defence have been killed and Indian soldiers have died.
What gives? Is Indian defence really full of "Indian Defence enthusiasts?",. Or just a bunch of naive Indians who are being fooled into thinking that they are talking "Indian military?
Are the Indians on Indiandefence so ignorant that they have no clue about terrorism from Pakistan? Or do they feel very very secular and think that the Muslim names on Indiandefence are Indian Muslims who would feel upset if you guys said bad things about Pakistan? That is so stupid - it openly questions the loyalty of Indian Muslims. That is pseudosecularism by definition. Why is Pakistani state sponsored terrorism not even discussed on "Indian Defence forum"
What's up? What is there to defend? How blind can Indians get?
Sasi_ryu wrote: Bro i may be naive, fool, retard, ignorant, stupid, but i am INDIAN and now i am happy i got to know things, But you may curse me fine.
But what made you think we did not talk about Pakistan sponsored Terror or pseudo secularism for your info
please see the POLL VOTES here
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/bjp-ri ... dex18.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/anna-h ... dex39.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/why-so ... modi-7503/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f33/us-con ... dia-10324/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f13/people ... uas-10293/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/rss-go ... ndex7.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/congre ... 837/index3
I can go one with more but to prove what ? We are mislead and thats the truth ? but that's not mean we have sold our patriotism to ISI or PAK that's really wrong.
Yes folks - it's right there on the thread and passes without question!!) ) Now you got it wrong you accused us we dont speak Pakistan sponsored Terror or we are pseudo secularism so i posted all to deny pseudo secularism and please check "people-were-asking-why-france-banned-burquas" thread it's actually not dealing why France but with PAKISTAN stands i urge others in the forum too to take a look we never supported PAK unreasonably.shiv wrote:Sasi_ryu wrote: Bro i may be naive, fool, retard, ignorant, stupid, but i am INDIAN and now i am happy i got to know things, But you may curse me fine.
But what made you think we did not talk about Pakistan sponsored Terror or pseudo secularism for your info
please see the POLL VOTES here
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/bjp-ri ... dex18.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/anna-h ... dex39.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/why-so ... modi-7503/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f33/us-con ... dia-10324/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f13/people ... uas-10293/
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/rss-go ... ndex7.html
httq://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f31/congre ... 837/index3
I can go one with more but to prove what ? We are mislead and thats the truth ? but that's not mean we have sold our patriotism to ISI or PAK that's really wrong.
You're joking right? No one is questioning your patriotism. Just questioning your priorities.
All those threads are Indian political discussions. Is Sonia right? Is RSS right? Is BJP right? Is France right in banning Burqa?
They are all about Indian internal affairs. There is very little effort on that forum to discuss Pakistanis role in the sponsorship of terror and Pakistan hate policies.
Now look at the thread linked at the bottom. It is about 3 Indian soldiers reported to have been beheaded in Kashmir. I will summarize the discussion but people are welcome to go read it for themselves and judge.
now look at the direction in which this is heading
- Topic: Indian soldiers beheaded by Pakistan "Border Action Team"
Thread start: 3 India soldiers beheaded by Pakistani BAT
Paki: Where's the proof?
Paki: Paki army does not do this. Maybe Taliban
Paki: Islam does not allow this (
Indian: The Indian govenment will hush it up
Indian: The Indian government is useless.
Pakis say" Pakistan is innocent" and "Islam does not allow this" (therefore Pakis, who are Islamic will not do this
Indians say" Indians are useless"
This is absolutely typical of how Pakistani actions are diluted, sidelined and excused by Pakis who claim innocence and Indians who blame themselves.
read it all..
http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f6/ ... wara-9753/
Because the thread purpose is still not resolved visit here and see http://www.indiandefence.com/forums/f2/ ... ndex3.htmlSSridhar wrote:Folks, now that we have understood and discussed everything about the other forum, why do we need to continue this thread ?
... BR is still free to be accessed as before... nits wrote:After this Thread; System admins in my Compnay has banned IDF
Just a coincidence or i guess one of the system admins is also a BR Fan and had a look at this thread,,,,
Sasi_ryu wrote:Bro can you help us please to either prove wrong or right by asking Admin to come openly please i dont know who is who at all
Yusuf wrote:Sasi ryu might well disclose his identity before batting for Tariq.
