Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 31 Aug 2011 22:12

SSridhar wrote:
Sri wrote:Sirmed is naive at best and psycho at worst. One hand she is wajb e cattle even for moderated rapes on the other hand she embarrasses Indians, who can clap but also can clearly see the folly, so no hurrah!!!
Unfortunately for her, the company that she keeps, namely Pakistan, makes us feel that she also has that 'inner Pakistaniyat' that she has so far not displayed or carefully masked. It is the curse of any Pakistani, and for very valid and good reasons too. They are totally guilty unless proven innocent.

Pakiness if present will shine through. From what I have seen la Sirmed is the real deal, though no doubt ignorant at some levels, as in her insistence on painting jinnah as a genuine liberal or for that matter Sal Taseer.

I think of her as akin to Karna, a righteous person tragically doomed by being stuck on the side of evil for noble reasons.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 31 Aug 2011 22:21

A motorma arguing and talking back is a Paki (na)mard's biggest fear! No wonder find the burqa useful.

http://pakistanherald.com/Program/War-o ... asood-7926

Look at 13:56 in the interview video.
Pagal Zaid: Should I call you a bindi wearing Hindu?
Sirmed: Go ahead... What's wrong in being a Hindu? We have lots of Hindus in our country.

I think she's the real deal. No Taqqiya here.

"what are your credentials Zahin saahib?"

like a principal to an erring school boy.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 31 Aug 2011 22:34

Suppiah wrote: Why are they blanking out some words with that high pitch noise?

They were probably the names of other journalists/editors belonging to SAFMA.
The beeping out is because the issue may be sub-judice ? or to prevent libel claims .

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 31 Aug 2011 22:58

Salman Taseer was the governer right? And badmash's brother Shahbaz is the CM. Do they have a setup where governers are titular heads..or is it a convoluted mess like all things paki administration? The reason I ask is, much has been made out of Taseer's liberal politics. If he was a useless governer, what use is his liberalism...

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 31 Aug 2011 23:05

KLNMurthy wrote: I think of her as akin to Karna, a righteous person tragically doomed by being stuck on the side of evil for noble reasons.

Presence of Karnas will only expend righteous energies.
What we need are vibhishanas...
Is there any "constituency" in Pak who could be a vibhishana ?

on another note x-posting mullah menon's gem from BENIS.

menon s wrote:The video that made Qadri kill Salmaan Taseer.
the mullah is so rabid.....only in the relgion of peace can u see such stalwarts.

If some one can subtitle/transcript this video for western beepuls it would be great.(i myself cant understand many urdu/arbi/persian words there)
With this in circulation, claims of Unevens, Fairs and Leivens about supposed minority of extremist sects and hence the need to bolster the moderate Bralevis and sufis could be flushed down the pakistan.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 31 Aug 2011 23:13

Lilo wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote: I think of her as akin to Karna, a righteous person tragically doomed by being stuck on the side of evil for noble reasons.
Presence of Karnas will only expend righteous energies.
What we need are vibhishanas...
Is there any "constituency" in Pak who could be a vibhishana ?

I don't see any.

Vibhishana betrayed his own in favor of righteous principle because he saw Sri Ramachandra as representing that principle. Without Lord Rama there is no Vibhishana.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 31 Aug 2011 23:16

KLNMurthy, if you have where Marvi Sirmed paints Jinnah as a genuine liberal, please post the link.
It would quite contradict this:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/56448

excerpt

My problem with this thesis is not one. It presupposes so many notions without a critical objective examination of history. The most important myth our neo-liberals are creating is, Jinnah was an unquestioned secular person. Two, Jinnah had a clear vision about the future nature of the state of Pakistan. Three, Jinnah had passed on his vision to people or at least other leaders of his Muslim League who had to hold the fort after him (just to remind my readers, he knew what he was suffering from and how long he was going to live). Four, all the leaders of the Muslim League and those who came to power in subsequent years, were either shortsighted or had loaded agendas, save Jinnah. Five, the present chaos is the product of post-independence politics and not the pre-partition power play. And six, by constructing a secular Jinnah, this religious madness can still be countered and cut down.

Jinnah’s taste for western apparel, pets and aversion to religious rituals can or cannot be taken as his ‘secular’ credentials depending upon how you want to use Jinnah. But as a matter of fact, all these arguments do not hold much ground keeping in view his many assertions and promises with different political actors before, during and after the 1946 elections.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 31 Aug 2011 23:42

Lilo wrote:Is there any "constituency" in Pak who could be a vibhishana ?

As of now, there are no vibhashanas. Only by castrating Pakjabis at the very root, can one make vibhashanas out of some of them.

In a Pakjab, which has lost its colonies in Seraikistan, Pushtunistan, Sindh, Mohajirstan, Baluchistan, Gilgit, Baltistan;
in a Pakjab which has lost its access to its lifelines through PoK to China, through Baluchistan to Iran, through Pushtunistan to Central Asia, through Arabian Sea to the Rest of the World;
in a Pakjab which has been deprived of its nukes;
in a Pakjab where the Government is weak, and various warlords strong;
in a Pakjab which is under pressure from Pushtun tribes, with regular robbery and murders;
in a Pakjab whose citizens are being deported back from everywhere in the world;
in a Pakjab which is dependent on India for everything - water, markets, consumer items, culture, access to the world, etc.

in such a castrated Pakjab it would be possible to find a Vibhishan!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 31 Aug 2011 23:55

A_Gupta wrote:KLNMurthy, if you have where Marvi Sirmed paints Jinnah as a genuine liberal, please post the link.
It would quite contradict this:
http://criticalppp.com/archives/56448

My source is the video of the debate with ziad hamid which has already been posted. My command of urdu vocab isn't the best but it seemed part of the argument was that ZH claiming jinnah was for an islamist pak and MS rejecting that. I do think MHs position in the video contradicts what you posted and makes her look two faced wrt al quaid.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 31 Aug 2011 23:58

@RajeshA please go easy on vibhishana. He is the epitome of uprightness, virtue and honor. His farewell speech in Ravana's court is a classic of speaking truth to power.

A Sharma · Post by **A Sharma** » 01 Sep 2011 00:02

Navy commander among two killed in Karachi

Updated at: 2349 PST, Wednesday, August 31, 2011
KARACHI: Lieutenant commander of Pakistan Navy among two killed on Wednesday in firing incident in North Karachi area of the metropolis, Geo News reported.

According to the details, the incident took place in Sector 11-B when two unidentified men on a bike opened fire at two persons, when they were returning from Zohar prayers, killing one man on the spot and seriously injuring another. Later injured person succumbed to injuries.

Deceased were identified as Iqbal Anwar and Nasir.

SSP Central when contacted said that they have launched the interrogation.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Sep 2011 00:03

KLNMurthy wrote:@RajeshA please go easy on vibhishana. He is the epitome of uprightness, virtue and honor. His farewell speech in Ravana's court is a classic of speaking truth to power.

KLNMurthy ji,

I am not deriding Vibhishana in any way!

I am just saying that Pakjabis cannot become epitomes of "uprightness, virtue and honor" unless their environment is sufficiently changed forcing them to introspect a little more deeply.

Mathai · Post by **Mathai** » 01 Sep 2011 00:10

Salman Taseer's first wife and mother of three of the children is Yasmin Saigol who was the Deputy Attorney General of Pakistan.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Sep 2011 00:19

@RajeshA appreciated your response. It was your reference to castration that instigated my response. However, on further thought, V was also ambitious but powerless(castrated so to say). Rama was a perfect fit for him as a partner in establishing a dharmic reign in lanka: sharing the same values, powerful and enraged enough to act against Ravana and take him down. Rama was also a reliable protector of refugees and defectors from the enemy side.

Lessons for India in what we should be doing, how we should be changing, to engender Vibhishana in Pak?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 00:29

From Tribune news article (posting in full).

Post 26/11 reflections: ‘Mumbai attacks were a result of Pakistan’s flawed policy’

By Saba Imtiaz - Published: August 31, 2011

Cables say Petraeus dubbed Mumbai attacks as a ‘9/11 moment’ for Pakistan.

KARACHI: According to a December 2008 US embassy cable released by WikiLeaks, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi felt that the terrorist attacks in India on November 26, 2008 were a result of Pakistan’s flawed policy.

The cable, which has details of meetings between then-US Centcom chief General David Petraeus and Italian officials, features Berlusconi recounting that former president Pervez Musharraf had once told him that “he closed an eye” to keep peace and “now Pakistan was reaping the consequences of that choice”.

The cable states that “Berlusconi advocated pushing international financial institutions to help Pakistan but only on condition that the government of Pakistan takes serious action against terrorist and extremist groups on its soil.”

Berlusconi also told Petraeus that he had talked to President Asif Ali Zardari at Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s request, and had “reinforced the need to crack down on Pakistan’s indigenous Taliban.”

Petraeus, for his part, said that the Mumbai attacks were a ‘9/11 moment’ for Pakistan. He said that the “Zardari government now must contend with the fact that the fundamentalist movements Pakistan once nurtured and harboured now represent an existential threat to Pakistan that constitutes a greater threat than the one posed by India. He added that Pakistan’s economy was also nearing collapse, and that it had been down to three weeks of foreign exchange before the International Monetary Fund bridge loan.”

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2011.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Sep 2011 00:49

KLNMurthy wrote:@RajeshA appreciated your response. It was your reference to castration that instigated my response. However, on further thought, V was also ambitious but powerless(castrated so to say). Rama was a perfect fit for him as a partner in establishing a dharmic reign in lanka: sharing the same values, powerful and enraged enough to act against Ravana and take him down. Rama was also a reliable protector of refugees and defectors from the enemy side.

Lessons for India in what we should be doing, how we should be changing, to engender Vibhishana in Pak?

KLNMurthy ji,

as you said, "Without Lord Rama there is no Vibhishana."! India is a long way from embodying the spirit of Rama! So I don't expect any meeting of minds as far as values are concerned. Our own values are in flux.

The only thing we can ensure is a meeting of minds as far as strategic dependence is concerned. That should suffice for the moment.

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 01 Sep 2011 00:52

A_Gupta wrote: Supposedly Salmaan Taseer used to pay attention to Indian achievements and tell the young ones around him to achieve like the Indians. I don't know that it necessarily translates into not hating India, but it adds a layer of complexity.

With tweets like : “Why does India make fools of themselves messing in space technology? Stick 2 bollywood my advice.” ?
That particular one was mentioned in an article by Aatish Taseer.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Sep 2011 01:07

IED a day ,Send murtads Away
Pak: Terror dampens Eid; 11 dead in suicide attack

The bomber drove a car laden with about 40 kg of explosives intending to hit a Shia mosque at prayers time, but finding the place heavily guarded, detonated the bomb in a nearby parking lot. At the time of the blast, people were returning home after Eid prayers. The explosion was so powerful that it destroyed 10 cars and several nearby houses, Capital City Police Officer Quetta Ahsan Mahboob said adding it was a suicide attack. While the death toll is 11 at present, authorities fear a rise in the number of casualties and have declared an emergency at the civil hospital after the incident. "Remains of a badly mutilated body were found in the debris of the bomber's car," police said.
They said the man was not wearing explosives on his body but had planted them in the car and detonated it when he could not go beyond the parking lot. Television footage showed thick black smoke rising from the area as people ran helter-skelter. There was no immediate of claim of responsibility for the attack but Quetta houses a large number of Taliban [ Images ] cadres who are known for their anti-Shiite stance. The Shiite community of Quetta has announced that it will observe seven days of mourning to condemn the attack.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Sep 2011 01:08

JE Menon wrote: But this can be dangerous. Why? Such a sustained outbreak of common sense among the Paks is worrying because it suggests that, if it has an impact, it can affect the current downward trajectory of the state of Pakistan. I'm reasonably confident that this outbreak won't be contagious. But if it is, it will delay the inevitable and give the military room to breathe (and therefore return to their shenanigans). India does not need that. Common sense in Pakistan not something we can afford at this point, not unless they change the fundamentals of the state ideology - and that only the military can do, and all indications so far are that the defence establishment will not do it because it effectively means giving up their pre-eminent role as the consumer of the wealth created by the state.

Indeed, that is troubling. I say we should bestow her with some Indian award. All her brain-cleansing effects will be erased in a second and the lowlifes (from RAPE to abdul) will see through her for what she is - secret worshiper of Egyptian Sun God (Suppiah-saar, fine one....lol ).

IMO, true lungi test of a paki writer is when Indian Military starts putting on armor and doing warmup baithaks at the border. Even people believed to be "liberal and rational" like Ayaz Amir etc started talking like a scared jihadi during that time. Only two or three in my mind stood out in not losing their self-critical stance. Need to watch Shreemathi Sirmed go through such a test without a metamorphosis.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 01:16

From Tribune news article (posting in full). Just another day in TSP or TFTA Procedures for a divorce in TSP 101.

Karo-kari: Woman dies in police custody, policemen busted

By Sarfaraz Memon - Published: August 31, 2011
Only the constable had been armed but he put away his weapon on the request of Ilyas Malik .

SUKKUR: Two policemen, including an ASI, were arrested by the Ghotki police for neglecting their duty, which led to the death of a woman in police custody on Monday.

Mukhtaran, the wife of Dana Malik and a resident of Pir Bari village, had visited the Khanpur Mahar police station on Saturday. She demanded protection from her former husband and brother, who wanted to kill her on the charge of karo-kari. The police provided her shelter and she was presented in the district and sessions court Ghotki.

In her statement to the court, Mukhtaran refused to go to her parents and opted to live in Darul Aman in Sukkur, and the court ordered the police to escort her there.

ASI Safdar Malik, constable Ilyas Malik, sub-inspector Saba and constable Makhno Langah were on their way to Sukkur with Mukhtaran on Monday evening in a private car. Only constable Langah was armed with a Kalashnikov, which he put away on the request of Ilyas Malik.

Five armed men on two motorcycles began following them when they reached the Mahesaro police check post. Mukhtaran recognised her former husband and brother and requested the policemen to speed up. The armed men stopped the car, dragged Mukhtaran out of the car, shot her and fled.

The DPO Ghotki took notice of the incident and ordered the immediate arrest of the policemen. ASI Safdar Malik and constable Ilyas Malik were arrested. The Ghotki police registered two cases, one for negligence against the policemen taken into custody, and another for murder against Dana Malik, Khadim Malik, Asghar Malik and Akhtiar Malik. No arrests have been made as yet. The Express Tribune learnt that Dana Malik divorced Mukhtaran a couple of months ago after declaring her kari.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2011.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 01:20

In case someone thinks this is an unusual crime for a TFTA mard. Look at these news articles from just the past 2 months.

10 Aug 2011 - Karo-Kari: Man hacks wife to death with axe

19 Jul 2011 - Karo-kari: Man kills sister and cousin over karo kari

04 Jul 2011 - Karo-kari: Three killed in firing

25 Jun 2011 - 15 Days Later: Karo-kari victim awaits post-mortem

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 01 Sep 2011 01:22

RajeshA wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:@RajeshA appreciated your response. It was your reference to castration that instigated my response. However, on further thought, V was also ambitious but powerless(castrated so to say). Rama was a perfect fit for him as a partner in establishing a dharmic reign in lanka: sharing the same values, powerful and enraged enough to act against Ravana and take him down. Rama was also a reliable protector of refugees and defectors from the enemy side.

Lessons for India in what we should be doing, how we should be changing, to engender Vibhishana in Pak?
KLNMurthy ji,

as you said, "Without Lord Rama there is no Vibhishana."! India is a long way from embodying the spirit of Rama! So I don't expect any meeting of minds as far as values are concerned. Our own values are in flux.

The only thing we can ensure is a meeting of minds as far as strategic dependence is concerned. That should suffice for the moment.

Rajeshji, KLNMji well said . As long as this flux in our values is being driven by the ideal to create a Rama Rajya (as opposed to a competing ideal of a state predicated on western individualism) we can look forward to see many Vibhishanas.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Sep 2011 01:26

Lilo wrote:
RajeshA wrote:as you said, "Without Lord Rama there is no Vibhishana."! India is a long way from embodying the spirit of Rama! So I don't expect any meeting of minds as far as values are concerned. Our own values are in flux.

The only thing we can ensure is a meeting of minds as far as strategic dependence is concerned. That should suffice for the moment.
As long as this flux in our values is being driven by the ideal to create a Rama Rajya (as opposed to a competing ideal of a state predicated on western individualism) we can look forward to see many Vibhishanas.

It is not just a question of establishing Rama Rajya. What brought out the Vibhishana was the fact that Rama gave Lanka a comprehensive defeat. Without that defeat, a Rama Rajya as such does not bring anything. Ravanas will prosper in the West!

So both are needed - Rama Rajya and Rama Vijay!

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 01:33

From Tribune - news article (posting in full).

Call to arms in Afghanistan: Hekmatyar rejects Afghan peace talks offer

By Tahir Khan - Published: August 31, 2011
Taliban chief Mullah Omar acknowledges dialogue as an alternative .
ISLAMABAD: Hizb-e-Islami chief and former Afghan prime minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar rejected the ongoing peace talks on Tuesday and declared jihad is the only way to expel invaders from Afghanistan.

Hekmatyar’s rejection came hours after Afghan President Hamid Karzai called upon adversaries to renounce armed confrontation and join the peace process in his Eid congregation speech. “I want to tell the Afghan nation they should not attach any expectations to the reconciliation process,” Hekmatyar said in a message on the occasion of Eid-ul-Fitr. His statement came as a surprise to many since the Hizb-e-Islami had sent a delegation of top officials to Kabul last year with peace proposals and had even asked for withdrawal of Arab fighters within a specified period. The organisation’s representatives had also met President Karzai during the visit.

Hizb-e-Islami sources told The Express Tribune that Ghairat Baheer, head of the group’s political affairs, is in Saudi Arabia for Afghan reconciliation talks. They claimed Taliban representatives are also in the kingdom to engage in the dialogue. Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid, however, refuted the claim. Taliban chief Mullah Muhammad Omar, in a surprising about-face, has softened his earlier stance on negotiations. He seconded the alternative in his traditional message on Eid. Members of the government-backed Afghan High Peace Council reacted with optimism to the development and the council’s advisor for international affairs, Muhammad Ismail Qasemyar told an Afghan TV channel that the Taliban leadership appears to have mellowed.

Hekmatyar, in sharp contrast, appeared resolute in fighting the US-led forces in Afghanistan. “The ongoing peace process is not the solution to the Afghan problem. The only way forward is to wage jihad and refuse to lay down arms until foreign forces leave Afghanistan,” he said in a Pashto statement circulated through email, which was confirmed by his spokesperson, Haroon Zarghoon. Hekmatyar also accused members of the High Peace Council of being Americans’ ‘puppets’.

“The corrupt and problematic American system in Kabul has started to fall apart. The invaders are disillusioned with the war and have little hope for victory.” The Hizb-e-Islami chief said, the human and financial costs suffered by invaders can no longer be sustained. “They are under great pressure by their people to exit from Afghanistan.” He said the prolonged war has instigated financial and political crises in the US and Europe. “The number of attacks against foreign forces in Afghanistan has risen and they face a situation similar to the Russian army a few months before its withdrawal.”

Hekmatyar said Americans want Islamabad and Tehran to act against Afghans by offering privileges to one and threatening the other. “I advise Iranian and Pakistani officials to end friendly relations with the Americans. They must not accept privileges from Americans in return for continuing bloodshed in Afghanistan,” he said. The Hizb chief warned that Pakistan and Iran should not align their national interest with that of the Americans by prolonging the war in Afghanistan. If the two countries sacrifice Afghanistan for American interests, they will be their next target. He also predicted divine retribution for suppressing Afghans and Iraqis. In his statement, he called upon Muslim countries to support Afghans fighting foreign troops.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2011.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 01:45

From Tribune - news article (posting in full). Continuing with the theme for the day, TFTA mards doing what they do best.

Suspicious circumstances: Man butchers wife after she filed for divorce

Published: August 31, 2011

Sarfraz kidnapped Zahida from her parents’ house and chopped her head off.

SAHIWAL: A man allegedly murdered his wife after she threatened to divorce him for accusing her of having had an affair.

According to police officials, Chak 4/10- L resident Sarfraz tied his wife to the bed and chopped her head with an axe. Sarfaraz then threw his wife, Zahida Parveen’s body in a nearby field to try and conceal the evidence. “We found a headless corpse in the fields and immediately called the police to investigate,” said villager Rahmat Ali.

Police officials said that they sent her body to the DHQ hospital for an autopsy and later found her head in a gunny bag in the kitchen of Sarfaraz’s house.

Harappa Police said that the man’s neighbours told him that he had been married for five years and often quarreled with his wife. “She was filing for a divorce but he insisted that she had been cheating on him and dragged her back from her parents’ house,” Ali said.

Police said that Sarfaraz abducted his wife Zahida Parveen from her parents ‘house two days ago and slaughtered her. Police recovered the body on the report of neighbours and Sarfaraz’s brother, who confessed to helping him escape. Police are searching for Sarfaraz’s whereabouts. PPI

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2011.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 01 Sep 2011 01:54

BijuShet wrote:From Tribune - news article (posting in full). Continuing with the theme for the day, TFTA mards doing what they do best.

Suspicious circumstances: Man butchers wife after she filed for divorce
Published: August 31, 2011

Sarfraz kidnapped Zahida from her parents’ house and chopped her head off.

SAHIWAL: A man allegedly murdered his wife after she threatened to divorce him for accusing her of having had an affair.

Harappa Police said that the man’s neighbours told him that he had been married for five years and often quarreled with his wife. “She was filing for a divorce but he insisted that she had been cheating on him and dragged her back from her parents’ house,” Ali said.

And these are the inheritors of the great Harappan civilization.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 01 Sep 2011 01:56

From Tribune - news article (posting in full). PigLETs collecting funds from TSPians to murder Indians. Some one send this to Aman Ki Asha folks.

Collection camps: Banned groups free to collect Eid donations

By Rana Tanveer - Published: August 31, 2011

Police say JD offshoot FIF is not banned from collecting charity, though former is. PHOTO: EXPRESS/ABID NAWAZ

LAHORE: The police are doing nothing to stop the Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation (FIF), an offshoot of Jamatud Dawa (JD), from seeking and collecting charity ahead of Eid even though the Jamat has been banned as a terrorist organisation and is forbidden to collect donations.
On August 5, the Interior Ministry issued a list of 25 banned organisations including the JD that are not allowed to collect donations. As in the past, the JD has been able to circumvent the ban simply by changing its name. The group is said to be a front for the Lashkar-i-Taiba, which is accused of carrying out the 2008 terror attack in Mumbai.

The FIF camps fly the black-and-white striped JD flag and sport banners seeking aid for “the flood-affected and other needy people”. There are two FIF camps on The Mall, one at Dharampura, one at Moon Market Iqbal Town and one at Shadman Market, collecting money as well as donations of flour, rice and clothes.

The collection camps advertise a list of suggested donations for the flood-affected, including Rs4,000 to feed a family for one month, Rs50,000 to run a dispensary for one month, Rs700,000 for an ambulance, Rs50,000 for a one-day medical camp, Rs10,000 for a hand pump, Rs3,800 for a sewing machine, Rs3,000 for iftar, Rs100,000 to build one room, and Rs600,000 to Rs1.5 million for the construction of a mosque.

Sources in the JD said that the group’s leaders had unofficial permission from the Punjab government to set up these camps. “We’re not concerned about police raids,” said one JD member. “We’ve been running the camps all through Ramazan and they have been very successful. Ramazan is usually the best month for donations.”

Talha, an activist of the JD at one of the camps on The Mall, close to the office of the capital city police officer (CCPO), told The Express Tribune that they had never been stopped by the police from collecting donations, but volunteers had been instructed by senior JD members not to use loudspeakers or the JD name at the camps. He said they were collecting Rs100 per head as fitrana.

He said the FIF was a welfare organisation and it was entirely legal. “If people believe in the JD and given donations to the FIF, why should the police stop that? We are working for the welfare of the needy and to promote Islam,” he said.

Lahore Senior Superintendent of Police (Operations) Shaukat Abbas told The Express Tribune that the FIF was a legitimate organisation and not banned. “Its activities are under observation, but the police have not been instructed to stop it functioning,” he said. He agreed that the FIF was a JD offshoot.

JD chief Hafiz Saeed and his son Hafiz Talha Saeed have also been making speeches and collecting donations at Fajr gatherings at mosques in various parts of the city all during Ramazan.

Published in The Express Tribune, August 31st, 2011.

Kanishka · Post by **Kanishka** » 01 Sep 2011 01:58

Pakistani courts let 3 out of every 4 terror suspects go: US State Dept
http://tribune.com.pk/story/243274/paki ... tate-dept/

A US State Department report published last week said that Pakistan was incapable of prosecuting terror suspects, since three in four defendants are acquitted.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 01 Sep 2011 02:06

PoK 'PM' joins Zardari in visit to troubled Xinjiang in China
China's pet dog takes its pet dogs to spend Eid with bilathels in occupied Xinjiang

A desperate Pakistani president Asif Ali Zardari on Wednesday played the Kashmir card as he joined the 'prime minister' of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, Chaudhry Abdul Majeed, during a visit to China's Muslim region of Xinjiang. The move is seen as an attempt to restore Pakistan's image among local Muslims after a section of Xinjiang leaders described it as a source of arms and training for terrorists.

Playing on emotion of the local Muslims on this crucial day, Zardari visited the local mosque in Xinjiang's capital of Urumqi with his son and daughter, Bakhtawar Bhutto Zardari and Asifa Bhutto Zardari. He was also accompanied by five ministers and Syed Mehdi Shah, chief minister of Gilgit Balistan, the Pakistani province on the other side from China.

"Zardari is trying to reassure China that he really wants to curb the cross-border flow of terrorism," Srikanth Kondapalli, professor of Chinese studies at the Jawaharlal Nehru University, told TNN. "By giving a visa and meeting the PoK leader, China is showing it recognizes the disputed part of Kashmir in Pakistan while it would not recognize the Indian part," he said.

The event is a record of sorts. This is possibly the first time a Pakistani president is doing Eid prayers in Xinjiang, and the only occasion when the PoK 'prime minister' has been allowed to visit China.

The Associated Press of Pakistan confirmed that the PoK 'prime minister' and Gilgit Balistan chief minister were among those visiting Urumqi along with Zardari. But Xinhua, the official Chinese news agency, did not mention these names.
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Zardari's spokesperson Farhatullah Babar was quoted by APP as saying that Chinese officials expressed their appreciation for bringing along the chief minister of Gilgit Baltistan.

Finally, no Paki official's visit is complete without re-affirming their committment and gratitude to the taller, sweeter, deeper,etc. friends.

Zardari described China as Pakistan's closest friend and a strategic partner as high level of trust existed between the leadership and people of the two countries.
He said that the political parties, state institutions and people of Pakistan considered China as the lifeline for their country, according to APP.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Sep 2011 02:28

"saadhak"]PoK 'PM' joins Zardari in visit to troubled Xinjiang in China
China's pet dog takes its pet dogs to spend Eid with bilathels in occupied Xinjiang

Governing Head of the Chinese Autonomus Islamic Region Pakistan need visa to visit another region of China?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 01 Sep 2011 02:30

He said that the political parties, state institutions and people of Pakistan considered China as the lifeline for their country, according to APP

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Beggar trying emotional blackmail with Havaldar, WTF does he mean when he says that the state institutions look up to china as lifeline? At this rate in a couple of months even Hafiz Saeed will gladly polish off plates of pork flied lice to demonstrate his subservience towards Cheena master

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Sep 2011 02:39

Mahendra wrote:
He said that the political parties, state institutions and people of Pakistan considered China as the lifeline for their country, according to APP

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Tumhi ho Ammi , Abbu tumi HU
Tumhi ho Tallel,Dipper Tumhi HU
Tere Mizzleo ki Tip Hum Hai
Arabo ne lagaya, woh Fool hum hai .

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 01 Sep 2011 03:18

.... And six, by constructing a secular Jinnah, this religious madness can still be countered and cut down.

@RajeshA ^^^: "Constructing" can also mean using Jinnah as a means to an end which is finding a way out of the Quranic ordained state without being labeled an apostate.

From the Paki vantage, they ('liberals') are clutching at straws to fend off the mullahs using Jinnah as a shield. It is an ideological defense akin to wearing garlic necklaces to ward off Dracula.

We can certainly support 'Marvi' but keep in mind that her intonations are merely extensions of the RAPE's.

She can be our 'useful idiot' just as Arundhati and the WWK 'krowd' is WRT to PRC and TSP

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 01 Sep 2011 03:48

Cosmo_R wrote:.... And six, by constructing a secular Jinnah, this religious madness can still be countered and cut down.

@RajeshA ^^^: "Constructing" can also mean using Jinnah as a means to an end which is finding a way out of the Quranic ordained state without being labeled an apostate.

From the Paki vantage, they ('liberals') are clutching at straws to fend off the mullahs using Jinnah as a shield. It is an ideological defense akin to wearing garlic necklaces to ward off Dracula.

We can certainly support 'Marvi' but keep in mind that her intonations are merely extensions of the RAPE's.

She can be our 'useful idiot' just as Arundhati and the WWK 'krowd' is WRT to PRC and TSP

There is a concerted effort in rag-e-taseer aka daily crimes to develop a consensus around the myth of a liberal jinnah. Yasser Latif Hamdani for example talks about the need to do this while acknowledging that it may be a lie.

This is not garlic garland but psyops to give WKK cover for jang-e-cashmere and gazwa-e-hind

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 01 Sep 2011 05:05

Dont know if anyone posted this one. Remember that baki with a SDRE itch?

New Jersey Murder Suspect Stands to Gain $2M in Sweetheart Deal

The man suspected of killing his wife after a family Ramadan celebration in New Jersey was motivated by his friendship with a gay, elderly real estate investor who cut him into a $2 million deal right before his wife's death, according to the investor's stepmother.

Kashif Parvaiz, 26, who allegedly killed his wife, Nazish Noorani, 27, last week, was about to become a wealthy man, Marguerite Ragusa of New York City said. Ragusa, 81, claims that Parvaiz had "cuddled" with her stepson, Martin Ragusa, 74, the wealthy investor, for years, and convinced him to include Parvaiz in his investments.

Might explain why some of the elder guys of Khanland lavishes pakis with US tax payer money.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Sep 2011 05:13

KLNMurthy wrote: There is a concerted effort in rag-e-taseer aka daily crimes to develop a consensus around the myth of a liberal jinnah. Yasser Latif Hamdani for example talks about the need to do this while acknowledging that it may be a lie.

Am getting a little confused here. To set things straight:

1. Yasser Latif Hamdani has been trying to resurrect Jinnah for the longest while. He is an example of replace the Rasul with Jinnah.

2. Marvi Sirmed makes points one to six about Jinnah and calls all of them myths.
Marvi Sirmed and another writer on the Daily Times, Shahid Ilyas
e.g. http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2011_pg3_5
consider Jinnah inadequate/irrelevant etc., for a whole variety of reasons, including his dubious secularism, and the always explosive Two Nation Theory.

To the above two, secular Pakistan is the right thing not because some dead guy said so, but because through a process of reason, it turns out to be right.

3. Marvi Sirmed's opinion of Salman Taseer is definitely colored by knowing him personally. Anyway, Taseer, IMO is irrelevant.

One thought for people to remember is that some people have very different personalities online compared to in person.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Sep 2011 05:27

Any Video out there yet of the brave journey taken by the son of late Murtad Taseer?

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Sep 2011 06:24

A_Gupta wrote: 2. Marvi Sirmed makes points one to six about Jinnah and calls all of them myths.

I have never seen such round condemnation of Jinnah from a Pakistani as Marvi Sirmed's so far and I have been keeping an eye for a long time for any Pakistani calling the Quaid's bluff. My appreciation for Ms. Sirmed grows after this. For a woman to be so brave (not because of this Jinnah diatribe but for being critical overall especially against the holy 'angels') in present circumstances in Pakistan is extraordinary.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Sep 2011 06:28

saadhak wrote:
Zardari described China as Pakistan's closest friend and a strategic partner as high level of trust existed between the leadership and people of the two countries.
He said that the political parties, state institutions and people of Pakistan considered China as the lifeline for their country, according to APP.

But, it is incomplete and disappointing. Where are the ritual words 'taller than . . . and deeper than . . . and sweeter than . . .' ? Why are they missing ?

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 01 Sep 2011 07:02

SSridhar wrote: He said that the political parties, state institutions and people of Pakistan considered China as the lifeline for their country, according to APP.

Unfortunately for TSP, so do the jihadis...