Remembering 9/11

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Remembering 9/11

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Ten years ago,the world's worst terror attacks were perpetrated by Islamist Al Qaeda operatives against the US mainland.Innocent people from many walks of life,many nationalities,religions,were consigned to a cauldron of terrible destruction,shattering the lives and futures of thouands of individuals and their families.

The heinous attacks of 9/11 saw the majority of the world's join hands with the US,either morally or actively,in pursuing George W. Bush's "War on Terror".The invasion of Afghanistan took place to eradicate Al Q and the Taliban from its soil and an illegal invasion of Iraq was perpetrated based upon false claims of Saddam's (non-existant) WMDs and an alleged (fictitious) involvement of him in the 7/11 attacks.However,a decade on,the US has forfeited much goodwill in its war against terror,which has got itself bogged down in a morass of complexities and contradictions.What were the motives for 9/11? Was not the mastermind Osama Bin Laden a one time US ally in Afghanistan during the Soviet intervention? Did this not this "blowback" represent a catastrphic failure of US foreign policy,continued to this day with another similar catastrophic failure in policy with its long time ally Pakistan,who actively concealed the presenece of Osama in the military cantonement of Abbotabad from the US ?

The global export of terror from Pakistan,especially against India,with a "winking" US administration even today, with the latest terror attack in Delhi ,has exposed US duplicity in the so-called "War on Terror".What therefore have we learnt in this last decade,how do we combat terrorism? Where do we go from here,as the US has lost the moral leadership to wage war against terror with its selective military interventions/invasions and failed policies,and individual nations now have to look to their own resources and strategies to defeat their terrorist enemies and their godfathers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 50191.html

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Rupert Cornwell: The day America's decline began

The US enjoyed an outpouring of global sympathy after 9/11. Within a couple of years that sympathy had been utterly squandered

Wednesday, 7 September 2011

Ten years. An eyeblink in the eternal march of history – yet sufficient distance to gauge the impact of America's most dreadful day, one that no one old enough to remember will ever forget. After 10 years, winners and losers can be declared. And in the case of 9/11, it becomes more evident by the day, both sides are losers.

The most obvious one of course is Osama bin Laden. The organisation that he founded has been not only decapitated, but decimated. Hardly a week passes now without the death or capture of top al-Qa'ida commanders, their security presumably compromised by the documents seized during the raid in Pakistan in which Bin Laden was killed. Touch wood, there seems scant chance of the spectacular 10th anniversary attack for which, those documents show, he was desperately trying to organise.

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As for his notion that violent Islamic jihad might create a new caliphate stretching from Indonesia to Spain – that seems even more far-fetched than it did 10 years ago. Even the "Arab Spring" of uprisings against the secular Middle Eastern dictators that Bin Laden hated is no vindication of his warped ideology.

The protest reflects far more a popular yearning to enjoy the simple rights of political freedom and economic opportunity that we take for granted, than any answer of 9/11's call to strike down a decadent yet overbearing West. And yet my guess is that Bin Laden would be fairly pleased right now, even though by any standard measure, he's lost the fight he started.

But what about the ledger on the other side. Yes, America's leaders can claim that, contrary to every prediction at the time, there has been no terrorist attack on the US mainland since. And yes, the particular group that carried out the attacks on New York and Washington DC has been largely destroyed. But it took the mightiest military on earth almost 10 years to track down and eliminate its most wanted single target, while the terrorist movement for which he was the inspiration has become a Hydra. Chop off one head in Pakistan, Afghanistan or Yemen and others start to grow elsewhere. And in almost every other sense, these past 10 years have been a tale of mistakes made, opportunities missed and lessons not learned.

Consider first the opportunities missed. In the aftermath of 9/11, the US enjoyed an outpouring of global support and sympathy unmatched since the Second World War: "We Are All Americans Now," proclaimed that headline in Le Monde, speaking on behalf of the European country that has more hang-ups about America than most.

Within a couple of years, however, that sympathy had been utterly squandered. George W Bush and Dick Cheney were Ugly Americans reborn, loathed across the Arab world and beyond. Barack Obama has repaired much of the damage among traditional US allies. But in Islamic countries America's reputation remains in tatters, despite its deliberately low profile in the campaign to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. ("Leading from behind," one White House aide injudiciously described the approach, provoking scorn and anger from the president's Republican foes, insulted that the US was not visibly heading this latest Western military foray against an Arab land.) But at least Obama had tried to take the mistakes to heart.

And even setting aside Libya, America remains bogged down in two wars in Islamic countries, as a result of 9/11. The October 2001 invasion of Afghanistan to remove the Taliban government that not only sheltered al-Qa'ida but was literally of a piece with it, was absolutely justifiable – though Bin Laden and his cohorts should have been eliminated within months at Tora Bora. But why did everything take so much longer than it should have? The answer of course lies in that other mistake of the Bush administration, arguably the biggest single foreign policy blunder in all US history: the war of choice against Iraq that has succeeded only in strengthening the position of America's arch enemy Iran across the entire region.

According to one estimate, Iraq and Afghanistan may end up costing $4 trillion between them, an outlay covered thus far not by raising taxes as most wars are covered, but by borrowing. To that extent, 9/11 has contributed to the current economic crisis, helping create the mountain of debt that now ties Obama's hands.

And that borrowing continues. America is still in Iraq and may retain a presence there for decades. The same goes for Afghanistan, even though the killing of Bin Laden and the dispersal of al-Qa'ida to other countries mean there is no sane reason why tens of thousands of US troops should remain there, on a nation-building mission impossible. Afghanistan has already provided its own grim 10th anniversary of the 2001 attacks: August 2011 was the deadliest month ever for US forces deployed there.

Contributing to the two longest wars in the country's history were two more pervasive errors. The first was the "Global War on Terror" itself. At the time, the Bush administration's decision to treat 9/11 as an act of war seemed to make sense; the country after all had suffered something that neither Hitler nor the Soviet Union could manage, a devastating foreign attack on its own soil.

But declaration of the war on terror was the slippery slope that led to so much that proved disastrous to America's reputation: torture, Abu Ghraib, rendition, Guantanamo Bay, the denial of basic defendants' rights to captured "enemy combatants" (many of whom, it belatedly transpired, were innocent.) How much better to have treated the attacks as a criminal matter, monstrous to be sure, but which could have been handled by civilian courts.

But the US strategy post-9/11 contained an even greater mistake: a refusal to face up to the basic dilemma at the core of its policy – that some of its main allies in the "War on Terror" were in fact accomplices or even instigators of that terrorism. One of them, Pakistan, sheltered Bin Laden. Another, Saudi Arabia, provided 15 of the 19 hijackers.

September 11, 2001 was a chance for Bush to take a real hack at the Gordian knot of oil and security that distorts US policy in the Middle East, by increasing the gasoline tax, reducing its addiction to imported oil, and boosting alternative sources of energy. But next to nothing was done. The world was told, you are either with us or against. For the 99 per cent of the population not involved with the armed forces, Bush's rallying cry was: "Keep on driving, keep on spending."

The real world, however, moved on. Amid Washington's obsession with terror, China has stepped up its economic challenge. The present moment has odd echoes of the past – a whiff of the frivolity of those carefree days before the real September 11, when the fuss was about shark attacks in Florida, and whether a California Congressman was having an affair with a missing Washington intern.

And here we are 10 years on, amid a gathering economic crisis far more obvious than the clues back then to an impending terrorist attack, wondering if the magnificently absurd Sarah Palin will run for the White House, watching in disbelief as the two parties squabble over the timing of a presidential speech. 9/11 is not the cause of American decline. But it's as good a marker as any of when that decline began.

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Now there is 'Credible, specific but not confirmed' threat against American cities on 9/11 tenth anniversary. It is going to be a Sunday and most people may choose to stay home.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/08/terror ... ?hpt=hp_t1
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Why? If there is real attack on 9/11 will we be opening another thread or just shrug WTF they are just americans, let them die , who cares? Those of us who moved to this country love it as much as we do the country of our birth. So my earnest request to the Admins is to keep this thread open and if nothing happens on 9/11 this can be closed on 9/12.
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Dhimmi! Did you open a thread for 11/26?
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Here is the full transcript along with the real audio.

http://www.rutgerslawreview.com/2011/fu ... ranscript/
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Howland: (Indistinct) Ray Howland.

Wyatt: Ray Howland, Nancy Wyatt, ah, Boston flight service.

Howland: Yes.

Wyatt: Ok, we’ve got the flight attendants on the line here.

Howland: You do have them on the line?

Wyatt: From the plane, yeah.

Howland: Can you conference them in with us?

Wyatt: I have no idea how to do that, if you can help me out, uh, hold, ah, he’s getting some information, here.

Wyatt: I’m gonna read his notes for you. Ah, it looks like ah he’s Middle Eastern. Speaks no English. He was in 10 B, 10 baker.

Howland: Right

Wyatt: 9 D and G, speaks no speaks no English. Ah, the plane’s in a rapid descent, ah

Howland: (Indistinct) Is the cockpit still

Wyatt: Yep. Ok, the flight attendants are concerned they don’t know what’s going on in the cockpit. Are you in con—contact with them?

Howland: No we’re not, (indistinct) we’re, we’re tryin’ to get in contact with the cockpit.

Wyatt: Ok.

Howland: Alright. We really don’t want to tell her that.

Wyatt: Ok. Don’t, OK got it. Ok there, ah, we’re not sure. Ah, ok, looks like there’s severe bleeding, that ah, he’s keeping her on the line, there’s severe bleeding, there’s a slashed throat

Wyatt: Michael, is that severe, is that slashed throat a flight attendant?

[Background] Michael: No, the Cap—
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Remembering 9/11...............why?
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There were 50+ Indian nationals killed in the 9/11 attacks. Why shouldn't we remember it?
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It seems that NORAD/NEADS exhausted the supply of fighters in its control and the aircraft which eventually flew CAP over NYC had almost run out of fuel circling in military air-space outside New York. Some fighters were diverted from training exercises in the Mid-West but very few were available over the Eastern Seaboard.

http://www.rutgerslawreview.com/2011/1- ... and-norad/
On 9/11, NORAD’s continental U.S. (CONUS) air defense posture included 7 alert bases and 14 alert fighter aircraft. Each base had 2 fighter aircraft on alert. Alert aircraft were under the tactical control of the three regional sectors. NEADS, the sector that responded to all four hijacked aircraft on 9/11, had 2 alert bases and 4 alert fighter aircraft under [its] tactical control – two F-15s from the Otis Air National Guard Base in Cape Cop, Massachusetts and two F?16s from the Langley Air Force Base in Langley, Virginia
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I would have felt empathy for 9/11 if post 9/11, India was considered by USA as a fellow victim and TSP brought to justice. Instead a colossal, a grave injustice has been heaped on India, and a disgusting terrorist abomination in TSP has been preserved and resurrected to torment India well into the future by none other than victim of 9/11: USA.

As an aside, lets not go over board because remember, lots of Americans themselves associated with the military industrial complex made huge bundles in the name of the so called "global war on terror". Lets not forget the gang rape of Iraq.

So, I say ib4tl.
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When will India have a song writer writing for its victims of Kashmir, Punjab, Kaluchak, Kandhahar, Kargil, Akshadharam, Bombay, Delhi, Varanasi, Calcutta, Bengluru, Chennai, Red fort, Parliament, courts in Kapur and Delhi, many many temples ...

This shows the passion of americans about them, their neighbours and their pride!! My opinion is that majority of my DeshVashis at Des have lost pride to narrow economic goals.



Where were you when the world stopped turning on that September day?
Were you in the yard with your wife and children
Or working on some stage in L.A.?
Did you stand there in shock at the sight of that black smoke
Risin' against that blue sky?
Did you shout out in anger, in fear for your neighbor
Or did you just sit down and cry?

Did you weep for the children who lost their dear loved ones
And pray for the ones who don't know?
Did you rejoice for the people who walked from the rubble
And sob for the ones left below?
Did you burst out in pride for the red, white, and blue
And the heroes who died just doin' what they do?
Did you look up to heaven for some kind of answer
And look at yourself and what really matters?
I'm just a singer of simple songs
I'm not a real political man
I watch CNN but I'm not sure I can tell you
The difference in Iraq and Iran
But I know Jesus and I talk to God
And I remember this from when I was young
Faith hope and love are some good things he gave us
And the greatest is love
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There is no need for a 9/11 thread. Locked.
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