The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 08 Sep 2011 21:47

From a source I have heard that Rahul Gandhi has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. (Now I have nothing to substantiate my claim nor can I add any thing to it, but the source is quite reliable, honestly I wouldn't write any thing like this about any one).

This is the reason it has been decided that he

1. makes very few appearances
2. is always surrounded by inner core of congressy
3. Very few comments that too written
4. being pumped up to become AICC chief rather than PM

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 08 Sep 2011 22:04

^^^ try looking for side effects of anti-psychotics in some of his videos.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Sep 2011 22:06

its kind of mentioned here in a wikileaks cable.

http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TO ... 6.html?HT1

New Delhi: Whistleblowing website WikiLeaks has released another US cable showing some comments made by columnist and political insider Saeed Naqvi on Rahul Gandhi, who is general secretary of the Congress party and the son of UPA chairperson Sonia Gandhi.

According to the US cable, Saeed Naqvi, in a March 1, 2005 conversation with US official Poloff, had commented on Rahul Gandhi at some length. At the same time, Naqvi had prefaced his remarks by noting that he was a personal friend of Rahul's father, Rajiv Gandhi.

Naqvi had claimed, acording to the cable, that the word among Congress insiders, including those in the coterie surrounding Sonia Gandhi, was that Rahul would never become prime minister of India for several reasons. Naqvi told the US official that it was increasingly common knowledge that Rahul suffered from 'personality problems' of an emotional or psychological nature.

Naqvi had also claimed that his Congress contacts told him that Rahul failed as an MP representing Amethi in Uttar Pradesh.

The cable further says, "Naqvi told in his conversation that Rahul has done nothing for UP except to make pro-forma appearances in Amethi and he made no impression on the people of the state.

Naqvi stated that the Gandhi family always preferred that Rahul's sister, Priyanka, enter politics, as she was judged to be more intelligent and savvy. Arguing that Sonia Gandhi is an Italian mother, and 'like an Indian mother,' has a protective feeling regarding her son, Naqvi speculated that Sonia apparently went against her better judgment and selected Rahul over his sister as 'heir apparent.'

In another cable released by the whistleblower website, which was sent from the US Consulate in Chennai in June 2008 has indicated that the DMK preferred to project Sonia Gandhi as the prime ministerial candidate instead of Manmohan Singh in 2009 Lok Sabha Polls.

Quoting the party’s senior strategist, retired businessman Siva Prakasam, the then US Consul General Dennis T Hopper had said that “Sonia Gandhi would be the most appealing in TN while Rahul is 'not ready'.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Sep 2011 22:20

http://leagueofindia.com/blog/robert-vadra-proxy-tycoon

among many juicy tidbits , this one supports the hypothesis of some here that MMS - Rajmata relations are not good and he could be covertly behind the anti-corruption movement to safeguard his seat against the ascent of the yuvraj.

its also supports the popular notion here that a section of the BJP is in bed with the INC.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 08 Sep 2011 23:01

IndraD wrote:From a source I have heard that Rahul Gandhi has been diagnosed with schizophrenia.

As per S. Swamy he is a drug addict, iirc.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 08 Sep 2011 23:07

IMO You've got to be pretty dumb, mentally challenged and damaged to think you are qualified to be PM with his non-entity level accomplishments. And he believes that make no mistake about it. Reminds one of his father but with less gravitas.

Seems like every generation the IQ level of this family descends another notch. Sonia herself was not the sharpest knife/cookie in the jar. Way I've heard it Priyanka has her IQ issues as well. By this age their Great & Grand parents were shaking the nation. The sum total of these twos contribution is 2 brats. They havn't even published an innocuous Oped any where. Shows what they care about the nation.

debadutta · Post by **debadutta** » 09 Sep 2011 00:25

why blame Rahul and Priyanka ? what abt the idiots who follow them and vote for Con. party? And since when has IQ or accomplishments been a criteria for our Political leaders ? They have the family name and they are exploiting it. How many people would give up the power to run a country (irrespective of their capability) when it's presented to them on a platter ?? I Blame the people who follow and vote for them . As they say fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me and what if you have have been fooling the people for last 60 years !

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 09 Sep 2011 04:43

IndraD wrote:From a source I have heard that Rahul Gandhi has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. (Now I have nothing to substantiate my claim nor can I add any thing to it, but the source is quite reliable, honestly I wouldn't write any thing like this about any one).

This is the reason it has been decided that he

1. makes very few appearances
2. is always surrounded by inner core of congressy
3. Very few comments that too written
4. being pumped up to become AICC chief rather than PM

Pranav wrote: As per S. Swamy he is a drug addict, iirc.

Or he's just mentally and intellectually a bit 'slow' and thus keeping him in the background works well. As the old saying goes:

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 09 Sep 2011 06:40

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... a-fall-guy

Amar Singh personifies all that most of us dislike about Indian politics. He is the ultimate influence peddler, the middleman to beat all middlemen, and at his best, he can make Niira Radia look like an amateur. But it would be wrong to see his arrest (his guilt is yet to be established) in the cash-for-votes scam of 22 July 2008 as a sign that we are moving towards a law enforcement system where everyone is accountable. In the current climate, it is an indication of quite the opposite.

Amar Singh joins A Raja, Kanimozhi and Suresh Kalmadi in Tihar jail. It is an unlikely list, and no one could have predicted two years ago that such people could be arrested in any case. Yet, it is a list that arouses scepticism. The arrests are no doubt the result of the Supreme Court’s active monitoring of cases conducted by the CBI, yet they also demonstrate why such an approach does not suffice. One presumes that Amar Singh’s arrest is a sign that he stands accused of trying to bribe BJP MPs. If so, it is only reasonable to ask what his motive was. He could hardly have been acting on his own while seeking Lok Sabha votes in favour of the Indo-US Nuclear Deal.

In all the attempts to obfuscate what transpired on that day, much has been made of the three concerned BJP MPs’ attempts to lure or entrap some political parties into paying for their votes. It is a questionable practice and does need to be debated, but it is not central to the issue at hand. No one put a gun to the heads of those who did shell out the money, and that is the real crime—they were looking to purchase votes to pass a law that they were not sure would actually get past Parliament.

Crude tactics such as going after Kejriwal, privately asserting to journalists that the resolution passed in Parliament was actually a victory for the party, and letting Manish Tewari stay on in the Standing Committee that will examine the Lokpal Bill once again raise doubts about the sincerity of the party.

This doubt is what led to public anger in the first place. This anger is what led to the Ramlila crowds. If the Government believes that the tactics it used to its disadvantage from April to August against the Anna movement can be continued in the same fashion, then it had better be ready for another upheaval ahead. Even those who find nothing much to cheer about Anna and his cohorts reluctantly seem to be coming round to the view that this motley crowd may be the only antidote to the arrogance of power that the ruling party has come to represent.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 09 Sep 2011 06:47

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... -overreach

Well written article - quoting in full...

The Supreme Court has appointed a 13-member Special Investigation Team (SIT) to help recover unaccounted-for money—‘black money’ in common parlance—stashed away in foreign havens. Is this a case of judicial overreach? Some Doubting Thomases say so. But the vast majority of Indians are pleased and endorse this decision of the country’s highest court of law.

The incumbent UPA II Government should be ashamed that the SC has to intervene so often in its exalted parlour of governance. With such a slap in their face, the managers of any institution that values its honour would have quit by now. But this government is too brazen to take such an honourable course.

Take the case of the appointment of the Chief Vigilance Commissioner (CVC). The Home Minister and Prime Minister were on the three- member CVC selection committee, and they were seen favouring a corrupt person like PG Thomas for this august office. Even though the third member opposed the proposal, the two of them were shamelessly adamant. In the end, the SC had to intervene and cancel his appointment.

Did the SC overreach its authority? It can be argued that such appointments are within the Government’s domain, but when the Government forsakes its duty, what recourse can be sought? The SC has provided the way out. And the common man is elated. If the SC had not allegedly ‘intruded’ into the reserved domain of so-called governance, would Mr A Raja and Ms Kanimozhi have been in Tihar jail? Would this government ever have thought of uncovering the shady deals of these supposedly respectable dignitaries? One of them was a minister in the UPA-II Cabinet, and the other a member of India’s ‘sovereign’ Parliament.

A large number of people, from the top judiciary to the Hazares and Ramdevs of India, are agitated by the existence of black money in huge amounts. Those guilty of it belong to a tribe of ‘thugs’. But a high functionary of the ruling party calls Ramdev a thug! No, a ‘mahathug’. And what did this government do to silence this ‘mahathug’? In the dead of night, its law-enforcement machinery pounced on a hapless crowd of thousands of men, women and children gathered to support that man. Now, after the SC order, Ramdev must be having the last laugh.

The SC did not mince its words in condemning the Government’s lethargy: ‘Unaccounted monies, especially large sums held by nationals and entities with a legal presence in the nation, in banks abroad, especially in tax havens and in jurisdictions with a known history of silence [on the] sources of monies, clearly indicate a compromise of the ability of the State to manage its affairs in consonance with what is required from a constitutional perspective.’

The SC further observes: ‘We are of the firm opinion that in these matters, fragmentation of government and expertise and knowledge, across many departments, agencies and across various jurisdictions, both within the country and across the globe, is a serious impediment to the conduct of a proper investigation... It is necessary to create a body that coordinates, directs, and, where necessary, orders timely and urgent action by various institutions of the State.’

The apex court is conscious of the difficulties involved in this. Therefore, it candidly admits that bringing black money back from abroad depends on several factors that may not be within the Government’s power. But the SC has condemned the Government in no uncertain terms for not even attempting to do what is within its authority.

True, the Government had appointed a high-level committee to address the issue of black money. But it appears this was just a ruse to silence critics. By authoritative reports, the Government has the identities of 18 individuals or entities with secret accounts in a european bank. Why have no ‘show cause’ notices been issued to them? Why does it not disclose the names—at least in cases where it says the investigation is complete?

The Centre’s silence only makes people wonder if the secrecy is because those names are of people dear to the ruling party. Who is to blame if people entertain such suspicions?

This government has lost the confidence of the people. It is better for it and the country if it quits at the earliest. Let the UPA-II dissolve Parliament and seek a fresh mandate from voters. Will it dare do it? Or will it require more time to make ‘adjustments’ for the black money of its supporters and other beloveds?

Many lay people, like me, are ignorant of the niceties and nuances of the Indian Constitution, and therefore may not be able to judge whether or not this is a case of judicial overreach. But such people form a majority in India, and they find the SC verdict both timely and laudable.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 06:56

There is a funda problem about black money.

Wealth in India is not considered a private right since the Islamist times. The wealth one accumulates is subject to arbitrary seizure by the rulers: Sultans, Badshahs, English and now INC. So it has to be kept out of reach. Hence the Swiss banks etc.
If one wants to bring back money from Swiss banks then the wealth has to be protected from govt seizure.

The Supreme Court was packed by INC in mid 60s to give judgments that favored the seizure.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 09 Sep 2011 07:06

Has Umm Amul return to India to take charge from Chamchas?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 09 Sep 2011 07:09

^ there is also the perception that being wealthy == being adharmic , which is wrong. Goddess Lakshmi and Kubera are dharmics and are symbols of wealth.

One can be wealthy and dharmic too.

DDM and EJs are being 'payOmukaha vishakumbhaa' in this respect.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Sep 2011 07:49

history is replete with instances of kings spawning weak 'deficient' sons - unfit to rule, who are either shoved aside by the kings brother (RIP here), another brother (none here, mughals specialized in killing brothers), cousins (much too young here), sister (asked to step aside) or brothers son (varun not in INC here). all threats to a succession have been removed in our scenario by luck or design.

to work around this sometimes kings even adopted more able sons from the extended family and groomed them for leadership and martial skills. the deficient son was packed off somewhere either to be a monastery priest or given a small estate up in the hills (low stress living) and asked to revel with his buddies and housemaids rather than do statecraft.

the result of a prolonged spell under a weak emperor is inevitable economic ruin and invasion.

spain used to have a charming lad as king once whose hobbies were whipping horses to death and burning hares alive on a grill for pleasure...

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Sep 2011 08:10

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... vt/843528/

The BJP today went on the offensive on the cash-for-vote scam with L K Advani hailing as “whistleblowers” the two former party MPs jailed in the scam and declaring that if they were guilty, then he too should be sent behind bars.
Amid repeated disruptions by Congress members in the Lok Sabha, the BJP Parliamentary Party chief made a strong defence for the actions of Faggan Singh Kulaste and Mahavir Bhagora during the July 22, 2008 confidence vote.
“Whatever was done was done as per Constitutional norms. If anything was wrong, I would have stopped them,” said Advani, who is also Working Chairman of the NDA.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 09 Sep 2011 08:32

Well, unfortunately all these things and much much more were said about playboy Rajiv. Yet he got the khursi after IG sympathy wave. I actually gave Rahul the benefit of the doubt when he first showed up. Anything is better than the 75+ years olds who are doddering along at the top. And then he opened his mouth and tried to work that whole 'man of the poor' image and it simply did not fly or catch on. What I was struck by is is his lack of courage or force of personality to face down challenges. What ever one may say about Rajiv, he had personal courage and that stood him well till the bitter end. No one knows what he stands for, a complete cipher. He has not thought through the issues and it shows.

If Sonia doesn't make it over the next 3 years there will be another sympathy wave and princeling will be confirmed on the throne. As long as the economy was growing and people getting richer there were no real crisis's and Sonia & kitchen cabinet havn't really been challenged. The BJP has unfortunately not really been able to reach out to all Indians will always remain a bit handicapped because of that. The Third front parties are in complete disarray with the rout of the Commies and the failure of the BSP to reach out to all Indians.

TN gave a resounding anti-corruption vote and then brought in AMMA

who is the very definition of arbitrary power and personal enrichment. What kind of anti-corruption vote was that. WB brought in DIDI who is personally clean but was unable to clean corruption from IR for instance. Elections are a crap shoot, you never know who you get.

The good thing about India now is that power is widely spread out and very diffused. The states are enormously more powerful than they used to be. Democracy means the damage/progress one person can do is limited. Of course we would do better grow faster with someone who has ideas beyond NREGA type crap.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 09 Sep 2011 08:59

ramana wrote:There is a funda problem about black money.

Wealth in India is not considered a private right since the Islamist times. The wealth one accumulates is subject to arbitrary seizure by the rulers: Sultans, Badshahs, English and now INC. So it has to be kept out of reach. Hence the Swiss banks etc.
If one wants to bring back money from Swiss banks then the wealth has to be protected from govt seizure.

The Supreme Court was packed by INC in mid 60s to give judgments that favored the seizure.

+100

B4 1990's it actually made sense to have a foreign account to the the communist level tax structure . We could get very little forex that could barely suffice for a couple of days of food.

That was the reason why the swiss bank thing started .

The problem is that even if action is taken , it ll be taken against mid sized business men who went out to escape from the draconian laws. The netas will most likely get away .

The easiest way to get back the money is to give amnesty and charge 35 % tax to everyone who can prove that they made their money by some legitimate business.

People who held public office even once in their lifetime should not be given this offer and all such cases should go to courts. Onus of proving means of making that kind of money should lie with the defendant . Public office bearers should be guilty till proven innocent. 70% or more of their wealth should be seized.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 09 Sep 2011 09:43

Theo_Fidel wrote: TN gave a resounding anti-corruption vote and then brought in AMMA who is the very definition of arbitrary power and personal enrichment. What kind of anti-corruption vote was that. WB brought in DIDI who is personally clean but was unable to clean corruption from IR for instance. Elections are a crap shoot, you never know who you get.

Perhaps what people are looking for is leadership that increases their wealth even if said leadership fills its own coffers. So maybe corruption is not the real issue but politicians growing fat and wealthy while the people don't, is?

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Sep 2011 09:51

^^ Article in "THE WEEK: this time mentions that Khejriwal was actually really angry at INC/UPA for not nominating him to the NAC and so, he broke ranks with Aruna Roy ( works in same NGO as her) and took the lead in the Lokpal bill thing though Roy and NAC themselves were working on a similar thing.

This might explain the desperate attempts of Arvind to not let the BJP or RSS name to be even uttered even near him since he is also a true NAC-type material...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Sep 2011 09:58

merlin wrote:
Theo_Fidel wrote: TN gave a resounding anti-corruption vote and then brought in AMMA who is the very definition of arbitrary power and personal enrichment. What kind of anti-corruption vote was that. WB brought in DIDI who is personally clean but was unable to clean corruption from IR for instance. Elections are a crap shoot, you never know who you get.
Perhaps what people are looking for is leadership that increases their wealth even if said leadership fills its own coffers. So maybe corruption is not the real issue but politicians growing fat and wealthy while the people don't, is?

There is also quite frankly the question of scale, a overall 2-5% overhead due to corruption (total overhead) distributed between different layers to smoothen things is something that Indians had come to accept and even welcome to an extent as a pressure release mechanism (refer to Theo's post earlier )

There is no doubt what so ever that PVNR was also responsible to an extent in corrupt practices (bribing of JMM) -- however there is very little if any moral outrage.

What we have seen over last 7 years, however is open loot where 100 Rs have been stolen on a 10 rs project.

It is this blatant, extreme and open loot which is causing the latest angst. After all CAG has been uniformly critical of Govt. all through 60 years of its existence -- but never ever have the current levels been reached.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 09 Sep 2011 10:01

sum wrote:^^ Article in "THE WEEK: this time mentions that Khejriwal was actually really angry at INC/UPA for not nominating him to the NAC and so, he broke ranks with Aruna Roy ( works in same NGO as her) and took the lead in the Lokpal bill thing though Roy and NAC themselves were working on a similar thing.

This might explain the desperate attempts of Arvind to not let the BJP or RSS name to be even uttered even near him since he is also a true NAC-type material...

Rudradev ji's post comes to life.

anchal · Post by **anchal** » 09 Sep 2011 10:01

I have heard Nikhil Dey, key chela of Aruna Roy speak at our campus. He is a true commie, hopes revolution is round the nukkad. Hilarious part was he said "when the revolution comes I will be the first one to loot my own house"

With such virulent lefties at the helm in Durbar, the nation will pay/is paying a heavy price. Lot of such characters are filled in academia. Ram Puniayni IITB, Trilochan Sastry IIMB - all NAC wanne-be. Ready to play messiah role, hailing from elite families, mostly Brahmins AND fiercely anti-Hindu

I am pegging 6% real GDP growth rate by 2015

sum · Post by **sum** » 09 Sep 2011 10:02

^^ Which post, sirji? Might have missed it..

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 09 Sep 2011 10:04

gakakkad wrote:The easiest way to get back the money is to give amnesty and charge 35 % tax to everyone who can prove that they made their money by some legitimate business.

For businessman, revealing the legitimate source means putting his employees, business associates, auditors and govt servants whom he had dealt in bad light and no businessman will take that risk. For them the policy should be "do not ask, do not tell."

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Sep 2011 10:39

debadutta wrote:why blame Rahul and Priyanka ? what abt the idiots who follow them and vote for Con. party?

Saar, if you can get rid of EVMs, then you're talking. Everything else is Tamasha for idiots. As Uncle Joe Stalin says, he who votes decides nothing, he who counts decides everything. The ruling party may well be changed to placate the masses, but is there a shortage of sell-outs in the BJP?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Sep 2011 11:30

sum wrote:^^ Article in "THE WEEK: this time mentions that Khejriwal was actually really angry at INC/UPA for not nominating him to the NAC and so, he broke ranks with Aruna Roy ( works in same NGO as her) and took the lead in the Lokpal bill thing though Roy and NAC themselves were working on a similar thing.

This might explain the desperate attempts of Arvind to not let the BJP or RSS name to be even uttered even near him since he is also a true NAC-type material...

He was also reportedly lobbying desperately for the position of CIC.

This guy is certainly some piece of work!

He apparently had no qualms in approaching Advani or even the shahi imam!

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 09 Sep 2011 12:20

To be fair to RG,the mess in the UPA/Congress is not of his making.The senior geriatric stalwarts,warts et al,have had decades of chamchafying and looting at will,scratching each oither's backs and with the emergence of the MMS/UPA era,back-scratching extended to allies as well.

It was sad to see RG booed at the hospital,many forgetting that his own father Rajiv, was also a victim of terror.It however indicates as to how low in esteem the party's image has sunk.The victim's families were xpressing their anger at the party for the attack.It is seen all across India as massivlely corrupt,thanks to the Nelsonian rule of Money Mad Singh,and utterly incapable of tackling terror within (Naxals) and without (Paki jehadis),nor able to inspire confidence that our borders are safe from Sino-Pak mischief.In such a scenario,come any election and the Congress is going to be decimated.The BJP might also be in the throes of contradictions with the Karnataka mining scam fiasco and the disreputable image of Yeddy and his Reddys,but will garner much anti-Congress votes as it is seen as the only other "national alternative".Everyone wants a stable govt.,which is why even Jayalaitha with her track record of limitless corruption came back with a bang.

The "fruit" of Congress corruption will be shared by the Opposition parties.It remains to be seen who can cobble togther acoalition/grouping that will present to the Indian voter the most honest face! The only chance for the Congress is if RG and SG butcher the geriatrics in the party,as sacrificial goats to appease the voter and usher in a brand new team of youthful untainted ministers.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 09 Sep 2011 18:10

Philip ji,

are you smoking something strong today?!

the present happenings in INC and all the scams are stage managed by 2G. they are the nucleus which has fueled and sustained the looting machine since 2004. the signs were all there from the first term itself. AP was the convergence point of INC's loot. YSR did great service to 2G by being the point man for all the "inside" deals. in some ways, the death of YSR has really unraveled INC's hold. it is only after his death and subsequent chaos in AP that we have seen the scams come out into the open....

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Sep 2011 18:50

Pranav wrote:
debadutta wrote:why blame Rahul and Priyanka ? what abt the idiots who follow them and vote for Con. party?
Saar, if you can get rid of EVMs, then you're talking. Everything else is Tamasha for idiots. As Uncle Joe Stalin says, he who votes decides nothing, he who counts decides everything. The ruling party may well be changed to placate the masses, but is there a shortage of sell-outs in the BJP?

There are corrupt people in BJP but they won't deliberately put traitors, anti-nationals who want to break India apart into NAC or cabinet as this Maino garbage DIEnasty is doing.

Look at Harsh Mander (NAC), Dileep Padagoankar, Radha Rao (Kashmir interlocutor), Rahul Gandu's best friend David Milliband.

Look at how Harsh Mander ba$tard sits in NAC and behind the scenes working with Ghulam Nabi Fai and is an executive member of London organization whose aim is bring Kashmir under Pakis.

Look at Dileep Padagoankar, Radha Rao types who are active collaborators of ISI and Fai of KAC were made interlocutors of J&K.

Look at the Rahul Gandoo friend David Milliband and co.

http://newsinsight.net/archivedebates/n ... recno=2190

In the aftermath of the November 2008 Mumbai attack and before visiting India, the then British foreign secretary, David Miliband, stirred a controversy. He said solving the Kashmir issue would deny Lashkar-e-Toiba, the Pakistani terrorist group responsible for the Mumbai carnage, its "call to arms" and free Pakistan to fight al-Qaeda and Taliban militants in its tribal areas. Why Miliband was not given the Holbrooke treatment and barred from India is not clear. It is telling, however, that Miliband spent "quality time" with Rahul Gandhi in some dusty Indian village.

Alexander Evans comes from the Tony Blair-David Miliband set that wants to meddle in Kashmir. Evans is very close to non-valley Kashmiris and particularly the Mirpuris who run "independent Kashmir" campaigns in London. Evans opposes violence. He is disturbed by the violence in Jammu and Kashmir but is less vocal of the killings and oppressions in Gilgit, Baltistan and elsewhere in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
Following 9/11, Evans distinctly was worried that Pakistan's ability to continue with its terrorism inside Jammu and Kashmir would be curtailed by Washington. Writing in Kashmir Observer on 2 October 2001, Evans wondered: "What might all these changes mean in practice? Pressure -- serious pressure -- to end militancy in Kashmir changes the equation within Kashmir completely, along with Kashmir-Islamabad and Kashmir-Delhi dealings." Evans was worried about the pressure on the terrorists and their sponsors.
He was also concerned about Hurriyat leaders. "(They) will need to do the most thinking," he warned. "A new regional order -- and a powerfully aggressive US policy on anything that smacks of terrorism -- demands a new political strategy from the APHC umbrella. This will prove difficult to craft, and the residual tensions between moderates and hardliners, nationalists and pro-Pakistanis, and the smaller constituency of political Islamists, may bubble to the surface."

They reason that scums like Dhoti are so worried about Anna is that this movement may discredit CON DIE-nasty. Once CON DIE-nasty loses power, courts will go after their SWISS banks and totally destroy SONIA, RAHUL and even VADERA. That is why they are so afraid about this movement.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Sep 2011 19:24

vijayk wrote: There are corrupt people in BJP but they won't deliberately put traitors, anti-nationals who want to break India apart into NAC or cabinet as this Maino garbage DIEnasty is doing.

But Maino & Co are around only because the BJP has protected them! Who bailed out Rahul Baba when he was arrested in Boston?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Sep 2011 19:28

Pranav, This was already discussed. So don't rehash the discussion please. The reasons were to protect the image of Mrs Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Sep 2011 19:40

no I dont think so. a section of the BJP is in bed with the INC. that is why the BJP never looked into the finances of the family and never even raised their voices about the family ever when they were ruling.
NaMo probably does not belong in that section of delhi courtiers, so these moles are one with the INC in keeping him out of dilli.

habal · Post by **habal** » 09 Sep 2011 19:45

at the top they need to scratch everybody's back irrespective of ideology. As evidence, just take a look at the Radia tapes and probe the role of Mr. Bhattacharya the foster son, also BJP top brass believes Sonia is in the same boat as they are. At least Vajpayee and Advani seem to be sympathetic to her. Then there are the US camp followers whose interests intersect even though they belong to seperate parties.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Sep 2011 19:53

ramana wrote:Pranav, This was already discussed. So don't rehash the discussion please. The reasons were to protect the image of Mrs Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi.

Both of whom were corrupt to the core. That the money carried by Raul Baba was likely looted from poor Indians did not seem to bother the BJP very much. They can be proud of protecting Mainos, bringing in EVMs, allowing foreign media, hiking Haj subsidy, all under the banner of Hindutva.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 09 Sep 2011 19:56

habal wrote:Then there are the US camp followers whose interests intersect even though they belong to seperate parties.

This is the root of the problem.

achy · Post by **achy** » 09 Sep 2011 20:45

Team anna is like the new animal in the jungle. And existing animals are completely clueless about what specie it belongs to. It is creating a lot of dis-comfiture as existing players dont know where to slot this new animal in existing scheme of things. I mean, what can you say about an animal, which talks to Green Animals one day, saffron other day and every now and then, to Red and Black(color of existing Dynasty) as well. All this is creating lot of insecurity and apprehension. My call to team anna is to come out in open and side with one group, any group, so that everyone knows how to deal with them. Till then, they will be attacked from people wedded to each and every ideologies, whether it be Red, Green, Saffron or Black.

Or may be this new animal does not want to disclose this as that is what its USP seems to be.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 09 Sep 2011 20:59

Pranav wrote:
ramana wrote:Pranav, This was already discussed. So don't rehash the discussion please. The reasons were to protect the image of Mrs Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi.
Both of whom were corrupt to the core. That the money carried by Raul Baba was likely looted from poor Indians did not seem to bother the BJP very much. They can be proud of protecting Mainos, bringing in EVMs, allowing foreign media, hiking Haj subsidy, all under the banner of Hindutva.

I understand the idiocy of BJP leaders of protecting the CLuless schizophrenic Rahul. The problem is that they believed that the catholic woman is done and Indians will never accept the foreign white christian lady. They were being magnanimous. They thought they will look mean if they leave the SOB to the US courtesy or might have thought the west can blackmail Sonia or it might be the case of "I scratch your back and you scratch mine". Whatever their logic was, it was dumb and stupid.

Bringing in Kalam, EVMs... Most of their acts were interests of the nation and setting up a good example. The way the bloody Maino DIE-nasty brought Naveen Chawla, Prathibha Patil kind of shady characters to kill institutional independence was not attempted by NDA/BJP.

You can't be serious about the hiking of Haj subsidy. It is to show the goodwill and get some moderate muslims into neutral camp (some way to divide the Minority Vote banks ganging up for CON party. Haj subsidy increase is not same as reservations for Muslims as championed by Sachar crook (AP or WB Govt.). Please understand the compulsions of ruling party (that too a coalition) to prove rabid COMMIE, anti-nationals shouting from roof tops Hindu right wing dogs have taken over the country.

sumishi · Post by **sumishi** » 10 Sep 2011 08:09

Has CAG given up its tough posture? : TOI - 10/11/2011

NEW DELHI: What prompted the Comptroller and Auditor General from not quantifying the losses to the exchequer in the KG Basin contract and Air India decisions may never be known.

But from the way the federal auditor conducted itself on the day the reports were tabled one thing was clear-- there seems to be a rethink about the posture adopted by the constitutional authority in recent months.

From its almost devil-may-care attitude, calculating the presumptive losses in 2G spectrum allocation, and holding forth on live television, the CAG was almost coy on Thursday. So, there were no TV cameras and live telecast as the CAG briefed media about three audit reports tabled in Parliament -- the audit of oil exploration contracts, especially of KG Basin given to Reliance Industries, the aircraft purchase for Air India/Indian Airlines and their integration, as well as on defence matters. The CAG officials were impatient with persistent media questions, and limited the number of questions too.

The CAG conduct, without live telecast of its findings, and without estimates of humongous losses to the exchequer, was significantly subdued from the recent past, when it held forth on the findings of 2G spectrum allocations, Commonwealth Games etc.

CAG officials justified the absence of a specific figure on estimate of losses, especially in the KG Basin contract, saying they were beyond the audit norms. "Estimating loss was not within the scope of our audit," Rekha Gupta, Deputy CAG, said.

Though speculation was rife about the huge losses to the exchequer caused by the way the entire KG Basin contract was handled, and the possibility of CAG quantifying it, the final report was clearly silent on a specific figure.

To give credit where it is due, the audit has come down heavily on the government for approving the rise in capital expenditure from $2.4 billion to $8.8 billion for KG Basin exploration.

CAG has been under attack from the UPA government ever since its 2G spectrum audit, with the presumptive losses at the maximum estimated at Rs 1,76,000 crore, was released with much fanfare. In June, even the Prime Minister had criticized the CAG for holding press conferences and said it was unusual for it to comment on policy issues. The government had also rubbished the presumptive loss estimates.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 10 Sep 2011 08:57

^^^Another constitutional body successfully cowed, co-opted or subverted? The saga reels on...

sum · Post by **sum** » 10 Sep 2011 09:20

^^ Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar skipping todays NIC meet.

The agenda for the meet is:
1) Discussion on communal violence bill ( wet dream of JNU junta translated onto paper)
2) How to make security agencies more sensitive to minorities.

With secularists like these, who needs communalists?