Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

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Rain compounding misery for Pakistan flood victims - Boston Globe

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The real TFTA of bakis.
The United Nations is rushing food and tents there after Islamabad formally asked for foreign assistance this weekend. Japan and China have also pledged relief goods or money, according to the Pakistan government. The United States said it had paid for food packages for 23,000 families, and that its local partners would soon begin handing out tents, clean water and other supplies.
Where is ummah, and ME brothers have left bakis to their own fate.
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Rangudu wrote:Read the New Yorker article in full- it is worth it.
From the above,
American officials say that Kiyani and Pasha, for all their faults, are the best allies the U.S. is likely to get.
That speaks volumes. The worst is yet to come, of course.
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Anujan wrote:^^^^ (warning, PDF) http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... ts/WSJ.pdf

Also, why is the motorma wearing a band on her hand? Did she convert to Hinduism? Or is it a photo of someone else?
Ad sounds positively chirpy and gloating.
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^^ Please add a short description to the above link. Bare links are not recommended.
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Here is a Spoof of that Paki ad in Wall Street journal.

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:rotfl: :rotfl:

I saw the thread over at DFI, it seems they've posted this pic reddit.com too

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comme ... _pakistan/

Time to do some psyops of our own ? :twisted:
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ISI helped Osama escape US dragnet in Tora Bora
Pakistan's military-run Inter-Services Intelligence could have provided protection to slain al-Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden for a period of time, suggests the latest issue of The New Yorker magazine.

Former Afghan intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh told the magazine' writer Dexter Filkins, a Pulitzer prize winner, that an ISI operative Syed Akbar Sabir had escorted bin Laden from the Pakistani region of Chitral to Peshawar, passing through Kunar Province, in Afghanistan, along the way.

"We believed that he was part of the ISI operation to care for bin Laden," Saleh, who directed the Afghan intelligence service from 2004 to 2010, said.

He said the ISI operative had been arrested by Afghan intelligence in 2005 when he narrated the events unfolding in Afghanistan, post 9/11.
The article talks about another ISI agent Fida Muhammad, who too had been arrested by Afghan intelligence agents.

The article says Muhammad, who described himself as civilian employee of ISI, said in May that for much of the past decade, he had escorted Haqqani fighters from their sanctuaries in Pakistan into Afghanistan, where they fought against the Americans.

Muhammad said his most memorable job came in December, 2001, when he was part of a large ISI operation intended to help jihadi fighters escape from Tora Bora: the mountainous region where bin Laden was trapped for several weeks, until he mysteriously slipped away.
Muhammad was part of a four-man team, and there were dozens of such teams. He estimated that the ISI teams evacuated as many as 1,500 militants from Tora Bora

and other camps: "Not only Arabs but Pakistanis, Uzbeks, and Chechens. I didn't see bin Laden. But there were so many Arabs."

The operation had been sanctioned at the highest levels of the ISI. However the ISI has denied Muhammad's account.
Which country has done more to secure 7 billon people of the world against terror, hain-ji?
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James B wrote:Here is a Spoof of that Paki ad in Wall Street journal.
Too good :rotfl:

Can we embedd pics in comments section of leading western newspapers ? :mrgreen:
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ranjbe wrote:COMMENT: A guide to dying in Pakistan —Fahd Husain
:D
From latest Paki Daily Times, talk about black comedy!
Death is the trend in Pakistan. You can choose from a wide variety of locales: Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, Badin, North Waziristan. There is plenty of death to go around for all of you. There is the quick ka-boom if you want to experience the Reaper from the skies; there is the bloodsucking kind in Lahore if you desire to hold out for a while in a netted hospital bed before slipping into the hereafter; or if you want a surprise end, try walking a bazaar in say D I Khan. Who knows you might just meet a teenaged suicide bomber. Then of course, there is the famed drill-induced death that awaits you in Karachi. Chop, chop, chop and gunnybagged for your final journey. Karachi beckons if you are into this kind of stuff.
This known as Once in Life time experience!!
You cant slit the throat twice.
Pakistan is the final Product of All the Pure Islamist Ingrdients Mixed together.
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Nusrat Javed sacked due to humiliating female journalists
According to a Google Group Press Pakistan claiming Pakistan Media Group, He had caused huge embarrassment for the SAFMA delegation accompanying him in India recently when he told an Indian audience that seeing the popularity of Hina Rabani Khar, Pakistan Foreign Minister, he had brought 'three bachian (girls) like Hina from Pakistan so that we are also given the same importance here'. Recently reported by a news outlet.
:P
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ranjbe wrote:COMMENT: A guide to dying in Pakistan —Fahd Husain
:D
From latest Paki Daily Times, talk about black comedy!

Power outage kills 4 patients at JPMC
KARACHI: A heart-wrenching tragedy struck at Jinnah Post Graduate Medical Centre (JPMC) when four of its patients lost their lives as a result of power outage at the facility, Geo News reported Thursday.

JPMC which is one of the major government hospitals of Karachi had to remain without electricity for 14 hours. Four patients who were on life support in the facility's Intensive Care Unit (ICU) lost their lives when the ventilators being used to keep them alive went offline during the power outage.

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According to hospital administration there was an explosion at a sub-station on Monday night after which the electricity was shut. There was no money to buy the diesel because the hospital already owes the petrol station Rs1.6 million.
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X-posting from Iran thread:

Reports in Iranian and Paki media about getting cozy, as TSP's Islamic colonial elite pay a visit home away from the converted mawali masses whom they rule in Pakiland:
Iran, Pakistan to establish joint airline company
* PM visits shrine of Imam Raza (AS), and ancestral province

* Gilani suggests Multan and Rasht be declared sister cities {Rasht is capital of Gilan province}

TEHRAN: Iran and Pakistan have agreed to set up a joint airline company to facilitate visits by the two countries’ nationals, Iranian First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi announced on Tuesday.

“We have decided to establish Iran-Pakistan joint airline company in a bid to increase and facilitate exchange of visits by the two countries’ people,” Rahimi said during a joint press conference with visiting Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani here in Tehran.

He further underlined that an all-out expansion of ties between the two neighbouring states required preparing the needed grounds, including construction of roads and rail links.

“Today, Iran and Pakistan are moving hand in hand to attain their specific goals, and we can link the Far East to South Asia, Africa and Europe.

“We can take our first step in the Middle East and a second step in intercontinental transiting,” the Iranian vice president added.


Earlier this month, Iranian and Pakistani officials signed several agreements on mutual cooperation at the end of their 18th Joint Economic Cooperation Commission meeting in Islamabad.

During the 18th meeting of the Iran-Pakistan Joint Economic Cooperation Commission, officials of the two sides evaluated progress in the implementation of decisions taken during the previous session in Tehran in 2008.

At the meeting the two sides endorsed three agreements on Economic and Technical Cooperation, establishment of Iran-Pakistan Investment Company and cooperation in electronic media between Pakistan Broadcasting Corporation and PTV and the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB).

The MoUs were signed by Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi and Pakistani Finance Minister Abdul Hafeez Sheikh.

Analysts say that strong bilateral relations between Iran and Pakistan are vital for the stability of the region. Gilani proposed that Multan in Pakistan and Rasht in Iran be declared sister cities.

The prime minister made the proposal in a meeting with Gilan province Governor General Mehdi Sa’adati in Lahijan.

Referring to the history of Lahijan, Gilani said that Multan also enjoyed a 5,000- year-old civilization.

He also described his recent negotiations with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and First Vice President Mohammad-Reza Rahimi as fruitful.

Gilani also visited the shrine of Hazrat Imam Raza (AS) in Mashhad and travelled to the city of Rasht, capital of Gilan province, the homeland of his ancestors. :roll:

The prime minister offered prayers at the shrine and expressed keen interest in its architectural features.

The prime minister was accompanied by Minister for Foreign Affairs Hina Rabbani Khar, Minister for Textile Makhdoom Shahabuddin, Minister for Professional and Technical Training Riaz Hussain Pirzada and Senator Sughra Imam.

Mashhad is the second largest city in Iran and one of the holiest cities in the Muslim world.

On his arrival in Rasht, the prime minister was warmly received by high-ranking Iranian officials.

The prime minister went around the city of Rasht, known as a place of attraction for domestic tourists of Iran. Gilan is the north western province of Iran along the Caspian sea. Gilani left on Tuesday night for home at the conclusion of his official visit to Iran.

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2011%5C09%5C14%5Cstory_14-9-2011_pg7_21
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looks like the muhajirs are moving in droves further up north due to the targeted killings, on street lootings, floods and what not:

Karachi situation bolsters Lahore real estate
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negi wrote:Delhi HC blast could have been work of home grown militants: Chidambaram
I think India has found it's own Zaid Hamid.
You mean PC is now Chidumber and wants to plant the Indian (hopefully) flag on the Red Fort instead of the MeP? :)
As he has said before: "We have no intelligence". I take him at his word.
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Man Mohan Singh keen to meet Gilani
Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to New York to attend the United Nations General Assembly next week will see high-profile bilateral diplomacy as well that could include meetings with US President Barack Obama and Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani.

Manmohan Singh is keen to meet Gilani, reliable sources said. The two sides are in touch to set up the meeting. Manmohan Singh and Gilani last met on the sidelines of the SAARC summit in Thimphu in April 2010.

The meeting is not ruled out, said an official who declined to be named.
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I guess the joint airilne will be called "Flying Carpets!"
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by Parsuram

Re:basic paki economics. Ever since its creation, the paki state has needed infusion of capital on an ongoing basis, and significant amounts every ten years or so. In '47, they got the property and other assets of Hindus & Sikhs, totalling about $36 bil (current dollars). About 10 yrs later, they jumped into bed with uncle (CENTO, SEATO) and got billions. That slowly went down hill, until '71, when they got ultra islamic and jumped in bed with the Saudis- hosting islamic conference, naming cities and streets after Saudi head man. Additionally, got Saudi funds for the Bum. By the time that relationship was drying up of big $$ amounts, Afghnistan happened in 1979. That carried them through the 1980s; after the Russians left Afghanistan, and US imposed sanctions in the 1990s, the pakis came within a hair of national default & bankcruptcy. Lucky for them, 911 happened and the pakis were back in the business of getting billions of $$ in the war on terror. Now that tune has played itself out, so watch for the pakis to latch on to a new source of funding for their terror enterprise. May well be the PRCs- why not, it is about time they got a turn, after all, the yanks have had three turns. No fair. But some thing tells me the pakis will not enjoy the PRC "jhootay" like the gently rocking yankee machines.
This is the absolute truth about naPakis that needs to be spread like a gospel among media.
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Nusrat Javed is da leading Lahori Dalla!! i.e. "broker"
"brought 'three bachian (girls) like Hina from Pakistan so that we are also given the same importance here"
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SBajwa wrote:Nusrat Javed is da leading Lahori Dalla!! i.e. "broker"
"brought 'three bachian (girls) like Hina from Pakistan so that we are also given the same importance here"
Some one asked a Lahori Javed "Miyan ji ,business theek jai?
Javed Sahib replied "very good", 2 Gaddian chal dian ne te 3 Bacchian chal dian ne!!
( gaddian =truck)
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Check the peace and love outpourings of grief in express tribune particularly from bleeding heart Indians who urgently require psychoanalysis treatment, for the flood. People here would agree that those who poke their nose and write pages and pages expressing solidarity with TSP in pakistani media, just as what is not ordinarily expected from that side in Indian papers, is either a punjabi, a sindhi, a bleeding heart doctor with partition trauma or a WKK activist Bengali or a jhollawallah activist beset by the stockholm syndrome. It seems very infantile to see these bleeding hearts poke their noses into the internal machinations of the TSP's polity, Imran Khan, its feudal lords and their privations, which by implication drag the Indian conspiracy angle by other commentators to the same piece and thankfully the others are too pro-occupied to comment anything about the Indian comments other than in analyzing the drawbacks of article or articles delineating the woes brought about by flood and any other problem the patient called pakistan is facing cahsmere sweater or otherwise; as a failure to comply with with jinnah's dreams :cry: [which one dr.mishra calls as a great nationalist] or qayamat for not establishing Madoudi saheb's ideals on earth. Some like the Doctor Mishra UK and India want reunification! Jaques Lucan's stages of cognitive development and traumatic cravings are very appropriate for the doctor. It looks that linnaen typology of WKK's is the clearly emergent reality of the subculture that ranges from the grasshopper listeners to the traumatised whip me more club is very much possible and necessary! The rare occasions victims of terror the terrorist groups which the papers pick and choosetwho have turned their back on their masters are now castigated are made to elicit the we are victims and India is collapsing under its internal divisions at the same time others are just shoved under the carpet.[http://tribune.com.pk/story/252154/two- ... ast-email/]


The biggest problem with even thinking in realistic terms of making pragmatic peace with the devil is this paranoid partition trauma inspired i must make peace at all costs; which is transmitted down the generations which impedes any ratiocination but instead floods thinking with compelling trauma and emotional baggage. What business have these idiots writing in a pakistani paper their pearls of wisdom unless they are defending the idea of India and giving it back to the propaganda machine which clearly they are not, but saying equal equal? Some browsing of the website would make it worthwhile to check the comments of hari harmani chap his thesis which indeed takes the cake of equal-equal radicalization, same problems caste, religion not come out of partition inspired by PC's amusing soundbyte.

Seems that king dhritarashtra wants desperately his seat in Alfred park, at any cost and useful people are just helping him along, a few fireworks notwithstanding by internal radicalized modules no external hand of course which means TSP is squeaky clean equal equal wounds of partition must heal and we must go back to our pindichana days in pre-partition punjab, just before we say bye for good! Remarks of such traumatised people are reflected in their obsessive and excessive posts in the web-pages of express tribune and other pakistani papers even those that endorse terror captains, belittling everything that is India and Indian. A coherent counter information warfare ought to be launched by better equipped people in term of war history and the working of TSP in BR to defend India and its idea in chatter shops such as paktea house [which has interesting characters including an english lady whose antecedents are unknown], and to take on the Indian worms and others in the webpages of the pak media and of-course back home the jhollachatter shops.
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ramana wrote:I guess the joint airilne will be called "Flying Carpets!"
May be a long term plan for another september 11.
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A little bird told me of the recent legal conference held in Pak with many foreign invitees.It was reduced to a "Zindabad,Zindabad" heiling of the CJ who ousted Gen.Bandicoot,with much backslapping and pomposity about How Pak "did it",ousting the hated military dictator,as if Pak was the world's answer to true democracy! The CJ is indeed building himself up to be a contender to replace the Zardar.However,on the same sidelines,were other judges who were staunch "Bandicoot" supporters.They quietly handed out fliers to the firang delegates and wanted to know where they were staying,rooms numbers,etc. The delegates had been provided with a "permit room" style facility at their hotel to booze in comfort being firang.That evening,the anto-CJ pro-Bandicoot lot met with the delegates and denounced the CJ and his tribe of "black coats".The Mushy brigade is still alive and kicking in Pak and perhaps there's more than meets the eye,as no Paki uniformed general will want a CJ who overthrew an ex-army chief president to usurp power one day.Were the pro-Bandicoot lot actually sent by the ISI?
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Some Typical RAPE Behaviour. Would like to add this behaviour is seen amoungst commies in India also


Pakistani Opposition leader admits his wife, kids are US citizens
Khan, who is from the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, is otherwise perceived in political circles as somebody who is opposed to the American policies in the region, said the daily Dawn.

A secret cable dated Sep 19, 2008, by then US Ambassador in Islamabad Anne W. Patterson to Washington stated: "As always, Nisar insisted that he and the PML-N were pro-American (saying that his wife and children, in fact, are Americans)."

"Nisar did admit that he went to the US embassy in London to renew his daughter's passport because he wanted to avoid being seen at the US embassy in Islamabad."
H&D eh?
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Three intelligence officials killed in Bannu: Police
DERA ISMAIL KHAN: Suspected Taliban militants killed three Pakistani intelligence officials in a tribal region on Wednesday, intelligence officials and police said.

“The vehicle belonged to the ISI and was attacked with Kalashnikovs. Three people were killed and one was critically wounded,” Sajjad Khan, a senior police official, told Reuters.

They were low-ranking ISI officials.
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Mohajir politics in post-Bhutto period
A fine summary. Do read.
The Muhajirs played an important role in the 1977 movement against Bhutto’s government and were happy when he was removed in a military coup by General Ziaul Haq.

The formation of the Sindh government and the Pakistan People’s Party’s (PPP’s) government in the Centre finally opened doors for the Sindhi-speaking middle class. They started getting more jobs in the government and public sector, particularly with head offices in Karachi. The Muhajir bureaucracy and leaders were not willing to accept that their share in jobs and economic opportunities in future would be in proportion to their demographic position, which was more or less the position by 1989 in the federal government.

Once again the Muhajirs were faced with the same position that they thought they had left behind in the Muslim minority areas of India and for which they had supported the Muslim League’s politics under the British. Remember Sir Syed had asked for a 50 percent quota in jobs for the Muslims although they formed 13 percent of the UP population.


That was the main reason that Muslims of the Muslim minority provinces played a leading role in the Muslim League’s movement, although eventually it evolved into the demand for Pakistan comprising Muslim majority provinces. This movement, as convincingly explained by Hamza Alavi, was driven by the “Salariat...that class of people who receive a formal education to qualify for jobs in the colonial state apparatus” and professionals. In UP, according to Alavi, the Muslims constituted 13 percent of the population in 1857 but held 64 percent of the jobs. However, after the British takeover by 1913, their “share of jobs fell to 35 percent”.

Once the demand for Pakistan was accepted, a large number of migrants had actually come to Pakistan scouting for better opportunities. After settling down, they invited their kith and kin. They were again not willing to accept the shrinking share of jobs and other economic opportunities after the restoration of Sindh as a province. They got the major share of the evacuee properties in Sindh.

However, there was reverse discrimination against the Muhajirs as power started shifting into the hands of Sindhis. In the good old times when the Punjabis and Muhajirs had the second largest share in the establishment, the discrimination was against the Sindhis. However, there are still more Muhajirs in government jobs if the public sector is included, as against a 7.5 percent share in the population.

Bushra Zaidi’s killing in a bus accident in 1985 unleashed violence against the Pakhtuns, who controlled Karachi’s transport sector thanks to Ayub-era favouritism. There was pent-up anger against the transporters because of the rough behaviour of the drivers and frequent accidents due to rash driving of the buses and mini-buses. Inadequate public transport was and is also irritating for the Karachiites. The Muhajirs, who form a bulk of the commuters, started burning buses; the Pakhtuns attacked some Muhajir settlements in retaliation. And soon what started as a spontaneous reaction to an accident turned into an ugly ethnic conflict, killing many people.

Meanwhile, the Muhajir youth, who are equal sons of the soil of Sindh as they were born and bred in this province, started feeling the pinch of unemployment and lack of educational institutions. Bhutto had nationalised all the educational institutions in 1972; thereafter not a single new college was added in Karachi. At an average, by the late 1970s and mid-1980s some 20,000 students who got lower grades in matriculation could not get admissions to any college or technical institutes every year. It was this crowd of unemployed Muhajir youth standing idle at the corners of the streets who were given a voice by Altaf Hussain and Azeem Tariq by founding the All Pakistan Muhajir Students Organisation (APMSO). Azeem Tariq was assassinated after he parted ways with his comrade Altaf Hussain.

Hussain had himself said in an interview that when he went to the University of Karachi to join BSc Pharmacy, he was shocked to see welcome banners of various ethnic student organisations and forced to think about his own identity. The Muhajir students till that time used to rally on the basis of ideology behind leftist groups of the National Students Federation (NSF) or the rightist student wing of the Jamaat-e-Islami called the Islami Jamiat-i-Talaba (IJT). The creation of a Muhajir organisation delighted Zia’s intelligence, who thought it an antidote to the rising Sindhi nationalism after Bhutto’s hanging by the military government.

The division of students on ethnic basis did raise a question in the minds of the founders of APMSO: what is their identity? They were told by their older generation that all Pakistanis belonged to one Muslim nation. The second generation of Muhajirs soon realised that they do not need religious reasons to be here in Pakistan. The rise of ethnic politics around them made them think that there was no such thing as one Muslim nation. Instead, strong ethnicity-based politics was the order of the day. Addressing the APMSO rally at the University of Karachi on December 15, 1980, Altaf Hussain maintained that the Muhajirs should be accepted as the fifth nationality of Pakistan. He thus moved away from the thinking of the older Muhajir generation, which by and large — leaving aside some leftists — always strongly proclaimed that Pakistan has one Muslim nation and those who raised the issue that it has four nationalities are traitors or agents of the Jews and Hindus. However, the MQM later dropped the fifth nationality slogan officially and declared that Muhajirs were Urdu-speaking Sindhis; a position reiterated by Altaf Hussain in his marathon press conference on September 10, 2011. That is what the Sindhi nationalists had advised them in the early 1980s. But in spite of this official declaration, the MQM had to privately stick to their earlier political formulation that the Muhajirs are a separate ‘Qaum’ (nation) to keep its vote bank intact. The politics of constituency is not allowing the MQM to expand.

As a matter of fact, MQM literature shows that both Altaf Hussain and Azeem Tariq dismissed the theory that Muslims were one nation on the basis of common religion. They argued that if religion makes one Muslim nation, why were the Muslims divided on national basis in many countries. APMSO Secretary General Azeem Tariq maintained in a speech in December 1980: “Soon after the creation of Pakistan, the ideology of Pakistan or ideology of Islam was negated because Muslims from the Indian Muslim minority areas going through the phase of migration were stopped at the borders of Pakistan in 1954 and returned” (MQM booklet published in ‘Muhajir Qaumi Movement — Tashkil aur Jedojahad’, Edited by Ahmed Salim).

MQM leaders courageously exposed the hypocrisy of the Pakistan movement’s basic argument. They asked that if Muslims are one nation then why Muslims from anywhere in the world — and particularly from India — can be denied entry into Pakistan at any given time. They were courageous to refer to the analogy of Israel where Jews from anywhere in the world can go and acquire Israeli nationality. It was courageous because any comparison of Pakistan with Israel is deplored by the majority of people here. It was on the basis of this thinking that Altaf Hussain “has on several occasions said that the creation of Pakistan was a mistake” (The Idea of Pakistan by Stephen P Cohen).

The Muhajirs’ younger leadership led by Altaf Hussain had taken the sensible course to declare that they do not want the division of the province, a position they continue to hold even today. They also supported Sindh’s major demands at the National Finance Commission (NFC) and on the water distribution issue. At the one end they have been rightly supporting Sindh’s stance against the domination of Punjab, but within the province the MQM has been asking for control over the big cities — Karachi and Hyderabad. In a foreword to Altaf Hussain’s recent book, My Life’s Journey, Professor Matthew A Cook rightly pointed out: “The principle of negation also appears to drive tension between Muhajirs [sic] and Sindhis from one historical crisis to another. Nonetheless, while these crises are anti-Sindhi, Muhajir politics not only illustrates how negation produces alterity but — by opening socio-political conversation—the possibility of mimesis.”

Alliance of the PPP and the MQM in Sindh suffers from this mimesis and alterity between the parties that represent the Sindhis and Urdu-speaking Sindhis. It is unfortunate that in spite of officially announcing a few years back that the ‘M’ in MQM stands for ‘Muttahida’ (united) and not for Muhajir, the leadership vacillates between the two incompatible positions.
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seems like there are some sensible sections of Pak which are debunking the myth of "one muslim nation". this is good. although the hatred for India is still there even in these sections, there can be "meaningful" interaction between them and India as long as we don't get duped and start inviting them back or some such non sense.
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We should not let them get way from TNT, it has not worked that bad for us Indians . TNT and Thekedari of Islam are 2 millstones around their neck . They must sink holding fast to the both. Leting go one will just prolong the misery.
Pakistan is Islam and Islam is Pakistan. Every Pakistani action is according to pure Islamic injunctions. We wish pristine Islam rules over Pakistani people trying to establish a new medica for Ummah where all the pure Muslims are granted automatic membebship.
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Dont know if this was posted before

Fiza Gilanahi in politics
Pakistan Prime Minister daughter Fiza Gillani has announced ti entered in politics. She announced this in Lahore.
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One abdul comments
hi this is usman and when i listend u r going to join a politics……itx gud step and i wish GOD bless u and be like a shaheed benazir bhuutto……go and rock……
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Philip wrote:The CJ is indeed building himself up to be a contender to replace the Zardar.
Let us not forget that the CJ became a CJ because the entire bench of the supreme court resigned when they refused to re-take their oath of allegiance to Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO) written by Mushy. The current CJ re-took Oath of Office under PCO which contained gems like
No court including the Supreme Court, the Federal Shariat Court, and the High Courts, and any tribunal or other authority shall call or permit to be called in question this Order, the Proclamation of Emergency {So nobody can question Mushy's Coup if they took oath under the order}
So our CJ who acts as though he is the savior of democracy owes his career to Mushy's coup. He also, through taking an oath and dismissing several lawsuits Legitimized Mushy's coup.
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A disgraceful blog published in NYtimes:
at:
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/ ... islamabad/

One comment there (Don't know if published or not):
Comment: From AmberG
From the disgraceful Terrorist State of Pakistan, blogger Salman Massod whines
"Had 9/11 not happened, I would have had a different life, a different profession.....

¶In 2001, I had been accepted to a college in New York for a master’s degree in Social Sciences, and was waiting for my U.S. student visa. But on Sept.11, 2001, as I watched the news coverage of planes hitting the World Trade Center, I instantly had a premonition that my visa would be delayed. ..."
Wow!

Sorry (NOT), your visa was delayed, but many of my friends, and citizens perished in that horrible act sponsored by your country and our life changed too. Frankly, no decent person cares about your visa any more than if you get 71 or 72 houris.

Seriously instead of whining about your victim hood, if you put some energy in wiping out the cancer of terrorism in your country, think of what could happen.
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not sure if it was posted before, but an analysis by B Raman about the August riots in Karachi.

http://www.southasiaanalysis.org/papers ... r4657.html

KARACHI : AN UPDATE

The civil war-like situation in Karachi continues without respite. Seventy-three persons belonging to different communities and religious sects were reported to have been killed---many of them in targeted shootings and some kidnapped and tortured to death--- during four days of fresh violence between August 16 and 19. The level of violence considerably came down on August 20.

2. The victims in the four days of fresh violence were mainly Mohajirs supporting the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) of Altaf Hussain mainly representing Mohajir migrants from Uttar Pradesh and Gujarat, the Mohajir Qaumi Movement (Haqiqi) mainly representing migrants from Bihar, Pashtun supporters of the Awami National Party (ANP), Balochs without political affiliation and Barelvi Sunnis of the Sunni Tehreek.

3.The number of victims in the Sindhi community, which supports the ruling Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) of President Asif Ali Zardari and the various Sindhi nationalist parties, and in the Punjabi community, which supports the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) of Nawaz Sharif, has reportedly been low, but exact figures are not available.

4.The deterioration in the situation has been partly the outcome of the alleged action of the Government in releasing the leaders and cadres of the anti-Altaf Hussain MQM (H) who had been arrested and jailed by Pervez Musharraf when he was the President as part of a secret deal with Altaf under which the MQM observed restraint in Karachi in return for the jailing of Altaf’s opponents in the Mohajir community.

5. The MQM of Altaf sees the release of Altaf’s Mohajir opponents by the PPP-led Government as a revival of Benazir Bhutto’s policy (1988-90 and 1993-95) of pitting the MQM (H) against the MQM in the streets of Karachi .

6. The present spell of violence, which started as business and smuggling related clashes between the Barelvi Mohajirs of the MQM and the Deobandi Pashtuns of the ANP, has since assumed a wider dimension with Mohajirs killing Mohajirs. The ethnic and sectarian strife, which one saw at the beginning of the present spell of violence, has been aggravated by gang warfare between rival Mohajir mafia gangs.

7. It is pure and simple criminal violence not motivated by any political ideology or religious goal. The violence is about who controls the mafia economy of Karachi. There have been increasing demands for Army intervention since none of the groups involved in the violence has any confidence in the police, which is controlled by Rehman Malik, the Interior Minister belonging to the PPP.

8. The demand for Army intervention has come from the Mohajirs of the MQM, who allege that there has been Taliban infiltration into Karachi under the cover of the ANP, the Pashtuns of the ANP, who look upon the violence as the result of the Mohajir mafia warfare, the Balochs, who find themselves caught in the violence between the Mohajirs and the Pashtuns, the Barelvi organisations and all major business organisations.

9. The only organisations not in favour of an Army intervention are the PPP, the Sindhi nationalist parties, the MQM (H) and the PML (N). The Army, while expressing its concern over the continuing violence, has said that it is for the civilian Government to deal with the situation.

10. The Army is unlikely to intervene unless there are targeted attacks on military, Air Force and naval personnel in uniform performing duty or on military, Air Force and naval establishments or the Karachi port.

11. The latest round of violence has targeted the Police . A bus carrying police officers in mufti was attacked killing four of them. The death of an Air Force employee has also been reported, but he was reportedly on a private visit to Karachi. The Army, the Air Force and the Navy have not so far been targeted. The attack on PNS Mehran, the headquarters of the naval air wing in Karachi in May, was not related to the ongoing ethnic and sectarian violence. It was a pure and simple terrorist attack in which the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) was suspected.

12. Sections of the Pakistani media have carried highly pessimistic accounts of the situation in Karachi---with the “Dawn” of Karachi even saying that Pakistan is unravelling.

13. Pakistan is not unravelling. The cycle of violence in Karachi---sometimes up, sometimes down—will continue, but none of the contending parties is likely to force a strategic confrontation, which could lead to the destabilisation of Pakistan. Periodic tactical confrontations will continue till the policing of Karachi improves and the criminal-politician and criminal-police nexus is broken. That is not for tomorrow.

what kind of "strategic confrontation" is BR talking about?
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OK, forget the joint airline and sister-city baloney. The Paki Gilani was in Iran to beg for alms:
Iran gives US$100m aid to Pakistan over flood damage
TEHRAN, Sep 14: Iran has dedicated a USD 100-million sum for the reconstruction projects in the flood-stricken country of Pakistan, according to the head of the Iranian Organization for Crisis Management.

Following last year's devastating floods, the sum is due to be directed towards the reconstruction of public places such as hospitals and mosques in Pakistan, IRNA quoted Hasan Qadami as saying on Tuesday.

“Furthermore, a 110-ton consignment of necessary foodstuff and relief tents will be dispatched to Karachi in the coming two days,” the deputy minister of Iran's interior added.

The floods -- the worst in Pakistan's recorded history -- started in July 2010, caused by heavy torrential monsoon rains, affected more than 20 million people, and left about 10 million homeless.

Last month, the Head of Pakistan's Red Crescent Society Nilofar Bakhtiar called on the Iranian Red Crescent Society (IRCS) to establish a permanent representative office in the country during a meeting with the IRCS Secretary General Zaher Rostami.

During the meeting, Rostami said that the IRCS plans to construct two health centers in Pakistan, adding that the IRCS will start the project as soon as Pakistan's Red Crescent Society gives the go-ahead.

Iran was among the first countries to send aid to Pakistan and has announced its readiness to participate in the reconstruction of the country's flood-ravaged regions.
Even Pak's current colonial master China gave the Pakis only peanuts, but former colonizer Iran is being more generous.
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The fight between MQM and MQM(H) is partly ideolgical and regional origins based. Its not just an economic war between two gangs. It also aligns with Pakjab faultlines.
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Amber G. wrote:A disgraceful blog published in NYtimes:
at:
http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/ ... islamabad/
Looks like a bitter RAPE kid, who did not attain escape velocity and became an embedded ISI "non-state actor" inside a news bureau. No wonder their fake tears gets media attention and aid from a country that lost 3500 people. Many forms of Fai.
One comment there (Don't know if published or not):

Comment: From AmberG
From the disgraceful Terrorist State of Pakistan, blogger Salman Massod whines
"Had 9/11 not happened, I would have had a different life, a different profession.....

¶In 2001, I had been accepted to a college in New York for a master’s degree in Social Sciences, and was waiting for my U.S. student visa. But on Sept.11, 2001, as I watched the news coverage of planes hitting the World Trade Center, I instantly had a premonition that my visa would be delayed. ..."
Wow!

Sorry (NOT), your visa was delayed, but many of my friends, and citizens perished in that horrible act sponsored by your country and our life changed too. Frankly, no decent person cares about your visa any more than if you get 71 or 72 houris.

Seriously instead of whining about your victim hood, if you put some energy in wiping out the cancer of terrorism in your country, think of what could happen.


This did not get published.
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Kabul attackers toted juice and weapons from TSP

More frontlying allie.
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France has indicted the broker in the submarine deal to Pak that led to the 2002 bombing of French engineers in Karachi. All his assets in France have been seized.

Link in French: http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article ... 23448.html

English translation via google: http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 28&act=url
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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about attacks in Afghanistan! naPakis have alredy countered this with the newspaper ad in WSJ.

It does not matter if they have an alibi.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 20

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X Posted from the Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan thread.

Sadanand Dhume in the Wall Street Journal on the “Green on Green” violence in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as Mohammaddens of the majority Sunni sect take on their co-religionists of the minority Shia / Shiite sect.

For a country claimed to have been created as a safe haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, the level of Mohammadden on Mohammadden violence inspired by difference s in the interpretation of Mohammaddenism, is disgracefully high:

Pakistan's Low-Grade Civil War : Anti-Shiite violence by Sunni extremists has been spreading.
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