Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Sep 2011 07:25

The Christian Science Monitor on the role of Mohammadden preachers from groups like the Tablighi Jamaat, Hizb Ut Tahrir and Dawat-e-Islami, in fostering Islamic Terrorism:

Pakistan's Islamic preachers: Gateway to radicalization?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Sep 2011 11:19

devesh wrote:what kind of "strategic confrontation" is BR talking about?

Secession and Partition!

The first key to unraveling of Pakistan is not the Pushtuns, nor the Baloch, but MQM, and it is MQM we should be shipping weapons and money to, and giving them military training! We should look at the Mohajirs as India's Trojan Horse in Pakistan!

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 15 Sep 2011 12:45

Panetta warns Pakbaric jehadi terrorist sewer rats

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/ ... me=topNews

The right way to go about is to mini-nuke-bomb the TSPA and ISI HQ one fine morning when Kiyanahi and his cohort of fanatic barbaric jehadi pigs are having a conference about the next attack....and follow that up with a wipe out attack on a few TSPA army bases and facilities.

Then pick up the phone and talk. Not before that..

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Sep 2011 14:45

India wishes to strike Pakistan before US exits from Afghanistan

Only reason for posting this whine from a known Paki Jihadi, is to highlight the following extract, which if true, would redeem the tactics of the GOI in relation to Pakistan:

After bleeding Pakistan profusely, India suddenly had a change of heart in mid 2010 and softened its stance. Ongoing overtures of friendship by India are not without a purpose. From 26/11 till very recent, all Indian military and civilian leaders were spitting venom and were not prepared to reopen dialogue with Pakistan. The change has occurred since there are several important matters which it feels can be solved in its favor provided Pakistan agrees to cooperate.

These are: Pakistan doesn’t raise any objection to India becoming permanent member of UNSC and member of exclusive nuclear club; Pakistan settles Kashmir, Siachen and Sir Creek disputes in accordance with Indian wishes; Pakistan allows India to continue constructing water dams; Pakistan grants land route to India through Wagah border to Afghanistan for trade; Pakistan doesn’t object to the US desire of making India a key country in Afghanistan after its departure; Pakistan grants Most Favored Nation status to India for two-way trade; Pakistan agrees to eliminate India specific Jihadi groups supporting Kashmiri freedom fighters; Pakistan accepts India’s hegemony in South Asia’; Pakistan eliminates ‘first strike’ option in it’s nuclear doctrine.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Sep 2011 15:10

He forgot the Most important- withdrawal from POK

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Sep 2011 15:12

Aditya_V wrote:He forgot the Most important- withdrawal from POK

They are already doing that and that too without any Indian pressure. PLA is taking over.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 15 Sep 2011 15:54

Suspected suicide blast at funeral leaves 20 dead, 50 injured in Lower Dir: Eyewitnesses
http://tribune.com.pk/story/252963/blas ... lower-dir/

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 15 Sep 2011 16:41

Pakistani Pat Robertson
http://tazeen-tazeen.blogspot.com/2011/ ... di-of.html

The message that came on Kamran Khan Show was loud and clear; stop making friends, beat your wives twice a day, stop greeting others with hellos and perhaps public beheading of a female musician or two will take care of natural disasters, bad planning and climate change be damned.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Sep 2011 19:12

shravan wrote:Suspected suicide blast at funeral leaves 20 dead, 50 injured in Lower Dir: Eyewitnesses
http://tribune.com.pk/story/252963/blas ... lower-dir/

Guess the soosai bummer wanted to be part of the funeral.

arun · Post by **arun** » 15 Sep 2011 20:17

^^^ Death toll in that demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan has climbed to 26:

Suicide bomber kills 26 at Pakistan funeral

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Sep 2011 20:37

ramana wrote:
shravan wrote:Suspected suicide blast at funeral leaves 20 dead, 50 injured in Lower Dir: Eyewitnesses
http://tribune.com.pk/story/252963/blas ... lower-dir/

Guess the soosai bummer wanted to be part of the funeral.

He wanted not one but many to meet their Raisins I guess

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Sep 2011 21:53

arun wrote:^^^ Death toll in that demonstration of the IED Mubarak variant of the IEDology of Pakistan has climbed to 26:
Suicide bomber kills 26 at Pakistan funeral

Yaaba Dabba Dooo
Its a 2 star IED. Pakistan is a land of Momin-kush.

Theo_Fidel · Post by **Theo_Fidel** » 15 Sep 2011 22:12

^^^^
AG,

You missed her follow up comment on that dried up lifafa rag Ejaz H.

Tazeen said...

Baloch sahab,

The only common factor between Ejaz Haider and I is that we both write in English.

I believe neither of us would like to be likened with the other.

There are various reasons I do not take up certain issues.

1- Its a god damned blog, |I don't have to cover everything.
2- At times I don't write because I am the laziest bone under the sun and its not like you guys pay me to write anything, do you?
3- I prefer not to write about things I don't know about, warna mujh mein aur Amir Liaquat mein faraq kya reh jayega.
4- Ejaz Haider!!! Come one, why should I write about a baba and his blabbering when I can do posts on Shahid Afridi and David Beckhams of the world.
15 September 2011 16:29

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Sep 2011 22:41

Fridin approaches. Inshallah the local Pak one-day teams will not disappoint with their batting skills, considering that they have bowled and fielded so well in Kabul and Delhi of late.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 15 Sep 2011 23:29

Math’s answer to terror- Research suggests covert action must against Lashkar
by G.S. MUDUR

New Delhi, Sept. 11: One of the deadliest terrorist groups on the Indian subcontinent is unlikely to stop its attacks without covert operations and coercive diplomacy by New Delhi and Washington, research by an Indian-American computer scientist suggests.

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Sep 2011 00:01

From Tribune news (posting in full). One more ALQ no. 2 now eliminated.
Al Qaeda leader Abu Hafs al Shahri killed in Pakistan: US official

By Huma Imtiaz - Published: September 15, 2011
According to the US official, al Shahri played a "key operational and administrative role for the group.

WASHINGTON: US officials said on Thursday that al Qaeda’s chief of operations, Abu Hafs al Shahri was reportedly killed in Pakistan this week.

According to a US official who did not wish to be named, al Shahri’s death was labeled as a blow to al Qaeda’s core group present in Pakistan. According to the US official, al Shahri played a “key operational and administrative role for the group.

“Abu Hafs al Shahri’s death, said the official, will also pose a challenge for Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaeda’s leader after Osama Bin Laden’s death in Abbottabad in May. Speaking to The Express Tribune, the US official said that al Shahri was a contender to assume the group’s second in command Atiyah Abd al Rahman’s duties.

Al Shahri “coordinated al Qaeda’s anti-US plotting in the region, and worked closely with the Pakistani Taliban to carry out attacks inside Pakistan.”

The US official did not comment on the circumstances leading to al Shahri’s death, however earlier this week, the media reported that at least three people had been killed in a drone strike in North Waziristan on September 11.

On August 22, another US drone strike in North Waziristan led to the death of alQaeda’s second in command Atiyah Abd al Rahman.

Another senior US administration official confirmed to The Express Tribune that al Shahri had been killed in Waziristan earlier this week.

“Al Shahri’s death will further degrade al Qaeda’s ability to recover from the death last month of al Qaeda’s number two, Atiyah, because of his operations experience and connections within the group. Al Shahri’s death removes a key threat inside Pakistan, where he collaborated closely with Tehrik-e Taliban Pakistan to conduct coordinated attacks.”

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 16 Sep 2011 00:23

^
These tribune rating are rubbish just like ICC cricket ratings

Kiyani is no 1 and Pasha no 2, these Atiya, ***tiya chaps branded around as no 2s are actually irrelevant chaps who are at the top of the ratings because they play on flat pitches against minnows

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Sep 2011 00:25

From Tribune news (posting in full). Spain pays jaziya to escape terror.

Spain confers highest military honour upon Kayani

By PPI - Published: September 16, 2011
The Grand Cross of Military Merit award is the highest military honour conferred by the King of Spain. PHOTO: REUTERS
MADRID: Spain conferred the country’s highest military honour upon General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani on Thursday.

The Grand Cross of Military Merit award is the highest military honour conferred by the King of Spain for distinguished service. The award was in recognition of Pakistan Army’s contribution in the fight against terrorism.

According to an ISPR press release, COAS, General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani visited the Spanish Joint Staff Headquarters in Madrid where he had meetings with Spanish Defence Minister Ms Carme Chacon and other defence and military officials including Secretary General for Defence Policy, Chief of Defence Staff and Chief of Army Staff.

The focus of the meetings was bilateral defence and military relations and other matters of mutual interest.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 16 Sep 2011 00:29

^^^ More likely the award is from the "2000 year old institution" for continued harassment of indics

negi · Post by **negi** » 16 Sep 2011 00:57

Military and Spain are not even worth being mentioned in same sentence; who gives a 'pindiliyon ka gooda' about this tamasha

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 16 Sep 2011 00:59

I think Spain is the only country in the world to roll back ROP. So, I would give them some respect!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2011 01:16

Could be hafta to prevent future Madrid attacks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Sep 2011 01:31

Was this posted before?

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US official attempts to enter nuclear research facility

FAISALABAD : A US security official’s attempt to enter a ‘sensitive’ area of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) in Faisalabad was foiled by security agencies, who forced him to return after a heated scene at the institution’s gate.

Reports claim that on Wednesday, Mr. Jaison Berger, Security Officer of the US Consulate Lahore, visited Faisalabad to check and inspect security arrangements for a US delegation’s scheduled visit to the city on September 13.

While visiting different areas of the city, Berger reached the National Institute for Biotechnology and Genetic Engineering (NIBGE), a centre of nuclear research working under the direct command of the PAEC.

Police staff and officials on duty stopped the US national at the gate after receiving orders from their superiors at a provincial and national level. The officials requested him to steer clear of the area which was not included in the US delegation’s scheduled plan but Berger refused to acquiesce.

After a heated debate between the US official and security agencies including NIBGE commandos, Berger was forced to leave the site. Following the incident, the official abruptly cut short his visit and headed for Lahore.

Following the tense encounter, sensitive agency personnel and Faisalabad police took up the matter seriously and sent SOS reports to officials concerned about Berger’s attempt to force entry.

So most likely the TSP was doing something in the biotech insititute and hence made it off limits to visitors.

Were they into bio-warfare?

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Sep 2011 01:53

From Tribune (posting in full).
Military leaders to meet to salvage US-Pakistan ties

By AFP - Published: September 16, 2011
A handout picture shows US Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen (L) talking with Pakistan's Army Cheif General Ashfaq Kayani during their meeting in Rawalpindi on December 16, 2009. PHOTO: EPA
WASHINGTON: The top US and Pakistani military leaders were to meet on the sidelines of NATO talks in hopes of fixing strained ties following the US raid that killed Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, a US defense official said Thursday.

Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Mike Mullen and his Pakistani counterpart General Ashfaq Kayani are to meet on the margins of a NATO conference beginning in Spain on Friday, the Defense Department official, who asked not to be named, said.

It will be the first meeting between the two military leaders since the May 2 night time military raid in which US Navy Seals, without first notifying Islamabad, killed the Al-Qaeda leader in Abbottabad.

“It’s not like the relationship has totally ended, but some rebuilding has got to be done,” the military source told AFP.

As relations worsened in the aftermath of the raid, Washington had announced that it could cut some of the $2.7 billion in military aid received by Pakistan.

Pakistan, for its part, in the aftermath of the operation ordered as many as 200 military trainers out of the country.

While relations are frayed, Pakistan is seen as key for US military operations in Afghanistan, where the United States is to trying to beat down a resilient Taliban insurgency.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 16 Sep 2011 02:13

US designates Indian Mujaheddin a terrorist entity with 'significant links' to Pakistan

WASHINGTON: The United States on Thursday designated " Indian Mujahedeen," which has claimed responsibility for many terrorist attacks inside India including the most recent bombings in Mumbai and New Delhi, as a global terrorist organization with links to Pakistan.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 16 Sep 2011 03:23

@Ramana ^^^: "So most likely the TSP was doing something in the biotech insititute and hence made it off limits to visitors.
Were they into bio-warfare?

Marrying first cousins to procreate a more malevolent pakjabi is a form of bio-warfare.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 16 Sep 2011 03:47

Aditya_V wrote: Guess the soosai bummer wanted to be part of the funeral.

He wanted not one but many to meet their Raisins I guess

You mean the raisin dieters right?

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 16 Sep 2011 04:55

Bakistan is number 1 again

The suicide-bomb capital of the world
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MI16Df04.html

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 16 Sep 2011 06:05

in 303 suicide attacks carried out in almost every nook and corner of Pakistan 4,808 people were killed and 10,149 others injured in the decade to September 11, 2011, according to Ministry of Interior data.

Less than 5000 killed and 10000 injured is peanuts compared to the real victims of terrorism.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Sep 2011 06:59

Is Pakistan's Army as Islamist as We Think? BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

Tilting toward Tehran?

The Wars of Afghanistan

There are three ways to get into Afghanistan: through Russia, through Iran, and through Pakistan. You take your choice

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 07:13

BijuShet wrote:From Tribune news (posting in full). Spain pays jaziya to escape terror.

Spain confers highest military honour upon Kayani

Please, can you find the story at http://www.elmundo.es ?
Thanks in advance.

PS: or at http://www.elpais.com ?
Thanks again!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 16 Sep 2011 07:27

abhishek_sharma wrote:Is Pakistan's Army as Islamist as We Think? BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

Christine Fair needs a dose of piskology herself.

For example if I ask "Are you as stupid as we think?" the sentence means

You are stupid
I think you are stupid
I am speaking for everyone else on earth/in America/on BRF by using the words "we think.

One needs to ask

1. What makes you think everyone thinks like you do?
2. What do you think?

Imagining that everyone else thinks the way you do is an example of cognitive bias. Or else the sentence is being used as rhetoric to tell people "We all think this way. Maybe we need to think differently"

That brings me to "What do you, Ms. Christine Fair, think?".

If Christine Fair thinks like Stephen Cohen then she thinks that being anti-Hindu is not Islamist. It is normal because Hindus are bigots.

Increasingly I am finding chinks in the armor of what passes for "western scholarship". I was brought up to respect that "scholarship" implicitly but more and more I am discovering the fudging and rhetoric that is used to reach erroneous conclusions.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 07:41

shiv wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Is Pakistan's Army as Islamist as We Think? BY C. CHRISTINE FAIR

Using Army recruitment data from Pakistani analyst Shuja Nawaz, with whom I co-authored a paper in the Journal of Strategic Studies this year describing these data and the changes they evidence, I find no systematic evidence that conservative areas are producing more officers than other areas as late as 2002.

In the absence of ideal data on officers, I did the next best thing: provide insights into the kind of areas that produce officers. To do so, I used the data obtained by Nawaz, which provided the numbers of officers recruited and retired from specific districts for several years between 1992 and 2002. To characterize these districts that produce officers, I used data from Pakistan's Federal Bureau of Statistics.

First, among the demographic variables, districts with more people who could do basic math were more likely to produce officers.

400% correct! They can count to the 10 million Indian soldiers in Kashmir.

Second, districts with more private high schools in a district are less likely to produce officers than those with fewer private high school.

Third, as in the United States, the presence of retired officers is a strong and significant predictor of recruitment outcomes.

Fourth, our analysis of social liberalism characteristics suggests that in many ways more liberal districts are producing officers. One of the most important indicators of social liberalism, the propensity of households to send more sons to private schools, was strongly associated with recruitment in a district. Private-school utilization correlates with socially liberal views in Pakistan. (This appears to conflict with the finding above, but it does not. The numbers of private high schools reflect an aggregated demand for elite education -- few Pakistanis attend any high school, much less private high schools -- and signifies financial wherewithal to pay for such schools. Taste for private schools at a lower level signifies social liberality, holding district economic factors constant.)

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 08:01

E.g, here is the google translate of
http://www.diariovasco.com/agencias/201 ... 51245.html

LATEST NEWS 12:45 POLITICS
Chacon and army chief of Pakistan value the efforts in Afghanistan
EFE News
Madrid, 15 sep (EFE) .- The Minister of Defence, Carme Chacón, and Chief of Staff of the Army (JEME) of Pakistan, General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani today have valued the efforts of the international community for the stability , reconstruction and development of Afghanistan and in neighboring countries.
Chacon has received at the headquarters of Defence to General Kayani, who is on official visit to Spain.
During the meeting, a statement of defense, has analyzed the current situation in Afghanistan and in neighboring countries as well as issues of common interest to both countries in the field of defense.
Regarding the situation in Afghanistan, the minister and Pakistan JEME have appreciated the international community's efforts for stability, reconstruction and development of the country, which is essential for strengthening security in Central Asia, according to the department of Carme Chacón.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 08:04

This one has a picture too - essentially the same story as above though.
No mention of medal.
I don't really doubt that the King of Spain had a fit of insanity.
Just want to see what the Spanish papers say.

http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/Serviciosde ... nistan.htm

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 08:11

k. found it.
http://boe.vlex.es/vid/ejercito-paquist ... %5D=kayani

"Royal Decree 1250/2011, of September 8, which is awarded the Grand Cross of Military Merit with a white, General Chief of Staff of the Army of Pakistan Mr. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

BOE. Official Gazette no. 217, September 9, 2011 > III - Other provisions > Ministry of Defence
Marginal: BOE-A-2011-14547"

PDF:http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2011/09/09/p ... -14547.pdf

Google translate

Page 1
Gazette No. 217 Friday September 9, 2011 Sec. Page 96710 III. OTHER PROVISIONS MINISTRY OF DEFENCE 14547 Royal Decree 1250/2011 of 8 September, by granting the Great Military Merit Cross with a white, General Chief of Staff Army of Pakistan Mr. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. In consideration of the merits and circumstances of the Chief General Staff of the Army of Pakistan Mr. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, to proposal of the Minister of Defence and after deliberation by the Council of Ministers at its meeting on September 8, 2011, I come in awarding the Grand Cross of Military Merit with white badge. Given in Madrid on September 8, 2011. JUAN CARLOS R. The Minister of Defense, Carme Chacón Piqueras

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Still, the Spanish newpapers elmundo and elpais have no recent stories on "Gran Cruz del Mérito Militar con distintivo blanc"

panda · Post by **panda** » 16 Sep 2011 08:14

A quote from the Unfair article:

In principle, one could do surveys, but the sample size would have to be enormous (perhaps as high as 1 million) to identify enough military personnel to say anything meaningful about their views

Why does anybody need a sample size of 1 million? If it is officers of TSPA we are talking about, then there could be around 40000 officers in all of TSPA. So, I guess a sample size of 1000 should be statistically significant.

Also she goes on about how liberal areas produce more officers. Her assumption for this conclusion is that education or aspiration for private schools == liberalism. That does not have any logic whatsoever. As per her logic, Zaid Hamid (PBUH) would be a liberal.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 16 Sep 2011 08:17

Read this 2002 paper on private schools in Pakistan
PDF: http://t.co/KtMpYBED

Turns out that the majority of private schools typically have very low fees (2.1% of household expenditure in an urban area, 1.2% or some such in rural area). They mostly cater to low and middle class.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 16 Sep 2011 08:34

A_Gupta wrote:This one has a picture too - essentially the same story as above though.
No mention of medal.
I don't really doubt that the King of Spain had a fit of insanity.
Just want to see what the Spanish papers say.

http://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/Serviciosde ... nistan.htm

Well - probably for similar reason as Rajmaatam got "Order of Leopold";

BijuShet · Post by **BijuShet** » 16 Sep 2011 08:35

A_Gupta wrote:
BijuShet wrote:From Tribune news (posting in full). Spain pays jaziya to escape terror.

Spain confers highest military honour upon Kayani
Please, can you find the story at http://www.elmundo.es ?
Thanks in advance.

PS: or at http://www.elpais.com ?
Thanks again!

Spain's Ministry of Defence site with Kayani pics and details (in spanish)
with Google English translation