J&K News and Discussion-2011

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 14 Sep 2011 20:28

Lashkar’s face in Valley killed in Sopore encounter

Ooni, 27, was the face of the Lashkar in Kashmir, and had been instrumental in galvanising cadres of the militant organisation in Sopore town. He was an IED expert, officials said, and a master of disguise who had escaped the police dragnet at least a dozen times over the past few years.

“Ooni was killed after the police received specific information that he was hiding in the Batpora Baghat locality,” Inspector General of Police, Kashmir Range, S M Sahai, said. The killing, Sahai said, is the second major setback suffered by the Lashkar following the killing of its five commanders in Lolab earlier.
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Sopore superintendent of police Imtiyaz Hussain Mir told The Indian Express that his men had been keeping a close tab on Ooni’s movements for a month now. “We launched eight operations to nab or kill him over the last week. Today’s operation was the ninth one,” Mir said.

“We would generally conduct late-night operations or try to encircle him at the crack of dawn. This time, we knew that he had come to meet his wife and was there for the night, but we changed our strategy and cordoned off the house only at 9 am.
“Ooni jumped out of a window and took refuge in an abandoned house nearby. We followed. He threw a grenade and then opened fire,” Mir said.
Ooni, the police said, was finally killed at 1 pm. “He was alone,” Mir said. “I have received splinter injuries on my face, but all our men are safe.”

The police’s initial information that Ooni, the Lashkar’s North Kashmir chief, would be accompanied by two other top Lashkar commanders, Muzaffar alias Molvi and Akash Bader, turned out to be incorrect. A pistol was found on Ooni.
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Despite heavy police deployment, protests broke out in Sopore town after the encounter. Youths hurled stones at the police and paramilitary forces.

- Thank you SP Imtiyaz Hussain Mir - great to see perseverence paid-off.
- Good deal for Ooni - exchanged one wife for 72.
- Someone was asking J&K IGP Sahai during an NDTV discussion why water cannons are used on rioters in Delhi and bullets in Kashmir.
At least one answer could have been that the Delhi public does not riot when LeT commanders are taken out.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Sep 2011 11:07

Omar Abdullah divorcing wife of 17 years

hey did, however, affirm that talk of Omar's remarriage is on.

In that context, there are two names doing the rounds - one, a friend of Omar, supposedly his choice (a highprofile mediaperson), and two, a choice preferred by his dad and his party, the sister of politician Nasir Aslam Wani. Wani, believed to be a confidante of the CM, is currently J&K's minister of state for Home.

"Omar definitely knows her well - the name that's floating online as the one he's looking to marry - but I don't think the part about her being responsible for the break-up, or of Omar looking to marry her, is correct.

Any idea who this is?

I think given the role Delhi closed Party circle hold in politics, Media, Beaucracy and important institutions in India. I think it is public interest to know who they all are and how they are related to each other

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Sep 2011 11:52

Aditya_V wrote:Omar Abdullah divorcing wife of 17 years

Wikipedia says

He married Payal Nath, daughter of an Army officer, Major General Ram Nath from Delhi on September 1, 1994, and the couple have two sons, Zahir and Zamir, hence. They are currently separated.

Was the Hindu wife a burden for his political carrier?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 15 Sep 2011 11:58

I was asking about the Journalist, not his existing wife.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 15 Sep 2011 11:59

Aditya_V wrote:I was asking about the Journalist, not his existing wife.

Edited

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 15 Sep 2011 14:55

A certain kp from undite tv, that is rumoured.

habal · Post by **habal** » 15 Sep 2011 15:24

Nidhi Razadan is it ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 15 Sep 2011 17:13

habal wrote:Nidhi Razadan is it ?

Is it??

Earlier in the day, The Times of India reported that Omar and Payal are parting “on mutual consent”.

The reason, according to the The Sunday Guardian, is a “TV anchor from the state, who the 41-year-old CM wants to marry. The anchor is a divorcee and has been in two live-in relationships since her divorce.”

The paper further reported that Abdullah senior is not too happy with the news as Omar’s new-found love is not Muslim. He’d rather want his son marry a Kashmiri Muslim, in particular, the sister-in-law of Kashmir Home Minister, Nasir Aslam Wani. Omar is ready to remarry, but not his father’s choice.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 15 Sep 2011 19:05

^^^ Senior Abdullah's own wife was British Christian/Jew. His own mother was half British Jew.
Omar's sister is married to Sachin Pilot and another sister is married to a black christian in US (I am not sure of this though).

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 15 Sep 2011 19:30

Actually Farooq's mother, Begum Abdullah, was the daughter of Michael Nedou, whose father was a Swiss architect who had come to India from Dubrovnik, Croatia. He ended up staying here and setting up a chain of hotels including the ones in Murree and Gulmarg. The one in Gulmarg is still one of the classiest hotels I have been to.

Another interesting rumor was that Begum Abdullah had been previously married to JE Lawrence aka Lawrence of Arabia.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 15 Sep 2011 20:28

^ It is a messed family line

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 15 Sep 2011 20:51

habal wrote:Nidhi Razadan is it ?

Only an Omar Abdullah could have done it

Has he has or hasn't he? Would he or won't he?...Since past 15 days, rumour mills were rife with speculations about the divorce of Jammu and Kashmir chief minister Omar Abdullah from his wife Payal Nath whom he had married 17 years ago and his re-marriage to NDTV reporter Nidhi Razdan.

While few sections of media were reporting about his possible marriage to the NDTV journalist, many others wrote about his remarriage to his friend and Home minister Nasir Aslam Wani's doctor sister-in-law.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 15 Sep 2011 22:45

hulaku wrote:Actually Farooq's mother, Begum Abdullah, was the daughter of Michael Nedou, whose father was a Swiss architect who had come to India from Dubrovnik, Croatia. He ended up staying here and setting up a chain of hotels including the ones in Murree and Gulmarg. The one in Gulmarg is still one of the classiest hotels I have been to.

Another interesting rumor was that Begum Abdullah had been previously married to JE Lawrence aka Lawrence of Arabia.

Michael Nedou was jewish.
And yes the interesting rumor has strong roots. It is a well known fact amongst some circles that the family was taken over by British intelligence from Sheikh Abdullah's time. It was Brit intel that instigated the actions against the ruler of Kashmir

hulaku · Post by **hulaku** » 15 Sep 2011 22:50

Jarita wrote:Michael Nedou was jewish.
And yes the interesting rumor has strong roots. It is a well known fact amongst some circles that the family was taken over by British intelligence from Sheikh Abdullah's time. It was Brit intel that instigated the actions against the ruler of Kashmir

Michael Nedou converted to Islam whatever his earlier religion was.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 15 Sep 2011 23:30

http://www.newkerala.com/news/2011/worldnews-68043.html

On the Omar Abdullah - Nidhi Razdan story

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 16 Sep 2011 06:54

Kashmir debate in UK House upsets India

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Sep 2011 09:59

Women in Neelum Valley protest against presence of terror groups - http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 456959.ece

pralay · Post by **pralay** » 16 Sep 2011 10:15

abhishek_sharma wrote:Kashmir debate in UK House upsets India

looks like UKstani are more interested in talks about kashmir people than their pie of $12billion MRCA

they shall better take care of of people rioting in their own country

Khud ki chaddi me aag lagi hai wo buzao pahele

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Sep 2011 13:24

sameer_shelavale wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Kashmir debate in UK House upsets India
looks like UKstani are more interested in talks about kashmir people than their pie of $12billion MRCA
they shall better take care of of people rioting in their own country

Khud ki chaddi me aag lagi hai wo buzao pahele

UK has stretched invasion of the northern Ireland and is still now talking about places far off, long since death of imperialism.

This would make no sense to sensible. UK has no base to discuss this, far from even talking about it as if this is pre-1947.

I think India should explicitly write clauses in defense deals that state this clearly, something along these lines:

1. Countries that have bases far from home should be debarred, banned and imports fined.
2. Opposition in the U.N.
3. Send teams of Human Rights professionals to these places and find out views of selected people as a statistical exercise.
4. Those who do not offer equal rights as per Universal declaration of Human rights (directly or indirectly) must be fined in certain manner, for example increasing taxes on imports and control it by statute.
5. Make people aware of all these.

nithish · Post by **nithish** » 17 Sep 2011 20:11

Tourism boost in Indian Kashmir as violence ebbs

More than 700,000 tourists have visited Indian Kashmir so far this year, the highest number since an insurgency erupted against New Delhi's rule more than two decades ago, an official said.

Police say violence is at its lowest level since the start of a separatist revolt in 1989. Before it erupted huge numbers used to visit the Himalayan state.

"More than 700,000 tourists have visited Kashmir this year," a senior government tourism official told AFP, declining to be named. "This has been the best tourist season since the insurgency began in the state."

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 18 Sep 2011 00:57

Kashmir : Truth versus Hype

Very , very interesting NDTV documentary exploring the importance of economic reforms in J&K in the peace process. Highly recommended.

PS: You can totally see the hypocrisy of Syed Ali Shah Gilani, when he is asked a question on what his economic vision for Kashmir is. He was totally evasive, and on being prodded further he just said "we have a 'system', and everyone on ground knows it ... but can't tell you".

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 18 Sep 2011 01:10

Nikhil T wrote:Kashmir : Truth versus Hype

Very , very interesting NDTV documentary exploring the importance of economic reforms in J&K in the peace process. Highly recommended.

PS: You can totally see the hypocrisy of Syed Ali Shah Gilani, when he is asked a question on what his economic vision for Kashmir is. He was totally evasive, and on being prodded further he just said "we have a 'system', and everyone on ground knows it ... but can't tell you".

Did He talk about zajiya? everyone knows on the ground.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 18 Sep 2011 06:01

Jammu & Kashmir assembly to take up Afzal Guru resolution

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 18 Sep 2011 07:53

^ 2nd state to pass a resolution in support of terrorists. Shows how week the center has become under UPA rule.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2011 09:20

Nikhil T wrote:Kashmir : Truth versus Hype

PS: You can totally see the hypocrisy of Syed Ali Shah Gilani, when he is asked a question on what his economic vision for Kashmir is. He was totally evasive, and on being prodded further he just said "we have a 'system', and everyone on ground knows it ... but can't tell you".

Gilani, like any Islamist jihadi, cannot be expected to have any 'economic vision'. Even less fundamentalist Muslim leaders like Jinnah, Liaquat Ali Khan had no such vision. Their only vision is to secure a Muslim (or Islamic depending upon their religious fervour) state and the rest will be given by Allah. That, Allah has been singularly cruel to Pakistan is quite another story.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2011 09:23

POK residents protest renewed militant activity

Locals, as per PFP, have been complaining about the sudden presence of some outsiders — Punjabi-speaking men — in Dodnial village over the past couple of weeks. Though the local administration has dismissed them as mere tourists, their continued presence is causing alarm.

Last Friday's jumma prayers were followed by a demonstration to condemn the ceasefire violation. Under the banner of the Neelum Valley Peace March, locals questioned the establishment of sanctuaries in their area under the garb of religious and welfare activities. These protests are apparently in keeping with a resolution passed two days after the ceasefire violation in which locals resolved not to allow any non-state element to use their area for cross-border terrorist activity.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2011 09:29

Interlocutors make a fresh talks offer

The Central government's interlocutors on Jammu and Kashmir made a fresh offer of talks to the separatists on Saturday and said they were ready for a dialogue “anywhere, at anytime and under any condition.”

To be read in conjunction with the next post.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Sep 2011 09:37

Former POK Prime Minister visiting Srinagar

Sultan Mahmood Chaudhuri, former Prime Minister of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK), will begin a five-day visit to Srinagar on Sunday — thus becoming the first high official, former or serving, from the province

He was traditionally seen as hardliner, and had been vociferous in his opposition to a five-principles peace accord hammered out between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistan's former military ruler, President Pervez Musharraf, in 2008.

“Easing restrictions on travel between both sides of the LoC and pulling out Indian troops from Kashmir are fine,” he told The Hindu , “but other elements of the proposals are unacceptable. This is because the proposals are, in fact, intended to turn the LoC into an international border, which is unacceptable to Kashmiris.” “India,” he said, “is a democracy, and should, therefore, accept the will of the people of Kashmir”.

“However,” Mr. Chaudhuri said, “I'm here for the wedding of an old friend's son, not to talk politics. I do not intend to meet with political leaders while I am in Kashmir.”

Mr. Watali, a businessman with interests in the timber industry, has been closely linked to the Muslim Conference — a party long led by the secessionist politician Abdul Gani Lone, who was assassinated by the Lashkar-e-Taiba in 2002, while he was engaged in secret peace talks with both Islamabad and New Delhi. He remains close to Mr. Lone's older son and political heir, Sajjad Lone.

Muhammad Yasin Malik, the Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front leader, was also close to Mr. Watali —from whose home he was arrested in 1990.

Perhaps ironically, Mr. Watali is also the brother of Ali Muhammad Watali — a respected police officer whose attempted assassination on September 18, 1988, is counted as the first armed action of the ongoing insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir.

“I'm intrigued at the government's decision to grant Mr. Chaudhuri a visa,” said Sushant Sareen, a consultant at the New Delhi-based Institute for Defence Studies and Analysis. “He has traditionally been seen as a hawk, committed to internationalising the Kashmir dispute. The fact that he has been allowed to visit Jammu and Kashmir suggests to me there could be processes underway here that are more significant than a wedding”.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Sep 2011 12:37

chaanakya wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:Kashmir : Truth versus Hype

Very , very interesting NDTV documentary exploring the importance of economic reforms in J&K in the peace process. Highly recommended.

PS: You can totally see the hypocrisy of Syed Ali Shah Gilani, when he is asked a question on what his economic vision for Kashmir is. He was totally evasive, and on being prodded further he just said "we have a 'system', and everyone on ground knows it ... but can't tell you".
Did He talk about zajiya? everyone knows on the ground.

I have a feeling he is talking about ISI funding.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Sep 2011 01:22

RamaY wrote:^ 2nd state to pass a resolution in support of terrorists. Shows how week the center has become under UPA rule.

Unlike the good old NDA rule when the Centre did not have to rely on the states to support terrorists, and assigned to the Union External Affairs Minister personally the honour and duty to escort three terrorists incarcerated in Indian jails to their freedom in Kandahar. That was a really muscular centre .. made you feel really proud I hope.

brihaspati · Post by **brihaspati** » 19 Sep 2011 02:01

eklavya wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ 2nd state to pass a resolution in support of terrorists. Shows how week the center has become under UPA rule.
Unlike the good old NDA rule when the Centre did not have to rely on the states to support terrorists, and assigned to the Union External Affairs Minister personally the honour and duty to escort three terrorists incarcerated in Indian jails to their freedom in Kandahar. That was a really muscular centre .. made you feel really proud I hope.

Yes, I guess RamaY ji should think again about "weakness". Planning to slowly and surely allow concessions on actual empowerment of secessionists - on territorial, state, and legitimacy terms - needs a muscular centre!

RamaY ji - you should reconsider! Can you not see - that onlee an immensely increased muscle bound body-building UPA can have the confidence to do what it does and is doing, isnt it? Remember it showed such immense muscle when it showed its fangs against the march to raise the national flag in Kashmir - by Indians from outside the sovereign, independent Islamic state that officially recognizes Sharia as the basis of its legal system - that "Kashmir" has become under the muscular UPA [yes of course the national flag was raised by other "Indians" - but those allowed or favoured by the sovereign independent Islamic state of Kashmir].

Only a muscular strength can give such confidence! Poor NDA! It only could manage the confidence to trade in terrorists and human-lives. Chicken hearted and chicken muscled. Where is the wide expanse of heart and muscle to trade in entire territories, or state power to terrorists and secessionists - all done in sleek backdoor negotiations oiled over by interlocutors?!!!

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Sep 2011 02:26

brihaspati,

Not that I claim to know much about the system of Government in India, but I do know that a former editor of the ToI and a couple of his saathis do no have the power to change the constitutional status of any territory comprising the Union of India. If these interlocutors are about to sell India down the river, then the NDA should publicise the issue in parliament and the media. I only hear the NDA talk about Mr. Advani's travel plans, Mr. Modi's dieting regime, etc.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 19 Sep 2011 05:19

I don't think this is a right thread to talk about UPA vs NDA. But given a choice, i would pick NDA anyday not because NDA is as per my expectations but because UPA is far more pathetic than i thought.

eklavya wrote: If these interlocutors are about to sell India down the river, then the NDA should publicise the issue in parliament and the media. I only hear the NDA talk about Mr. Advani's travel plans, Mr. Modi's dieting regime, etc.

If anyone care to read the news then they would know that the BJP indeed raised the issue of the interlocutors statement of involving Pakistan in India's internal affairs but the wkk brigade responded in the similar fashion like how you are responding - essentially by bringing in irrelevant things like kandahar hijackings as if that is the answer for all the UPAs failings on terrorism front. No one agrees nor condones what BJP did during the Kandahar episode but using that as an excuse to shield UPA's pathetic response to terrorism is frankly pathetic.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 19 Sep 2011 05:51

Rony wrote: No one agrees nor condones what BJP did during the Kandahar episode but using that as an excuse to shield UPA's pathetic response to terrorism is frankly pathetic.

Very well said. Some how Jassu bhai's shameful escorting of masood azhar is used as a bench mark by MMS and his admirers to justify anything he does. I would venture to add that the startegy/PR wing of TSPA/ISI might also join in using undieTV's bakara as a welcoming platform to claim that they support MMS's claim that there has been no major terror attack since 26/11 and piss process must continue and must not be held hostage to random acts by non state actors (like the recent Delhi/Mumbai blasts) as was the case under Hindu extremist BJP.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 19 Sep 2011 06:28

Ready to move beyond UN Resolutions: ex-POK PM
The guy, upon arrival in Srinagar, said he was here to attend a marriage and so won't talk politics. He has proceeded to do exactly the opposite. This is a Track-II mission.

“Our basic stand on resolving Kashmir issue is through U.N. resolutions. But we can move beyond.” However, he emphasised, “that can only be possible if the leadership of both sides of Kashmir is allowed to move freely and discuss the issue threadbare.”

“Meeting of leadership across the Line of Control is a must and that only will pave way for a resolution. We can build pressure on India and Pakistan so that the issue is resolved.”

Mr. Cahudhary, who is a senior leader of Pakistan People's Party, said that he opposed the former Pakistan President, Pervez Musharraf's, formula as “it was not practicable.” “Two points about joint mechanism and self-governance were tricky,” he said.

On demilitarisation, he said it must take place on both sides of the LoC, but added that “there is not much presence of Army on Pakistani side. {What about terrorists and their camps, Mr. Barrister ?} In order to allow people to live the life on their own it is important that heavily militarised areas should be demilitarised and it will instil confidence among the people.”

Supporting the peace process between India and Pakistan, he said: “We have always supported the dialogue and continue to do so. But dialogue can bear fruit only when leadership on both sides is allowed to meet frequently.” He said Confidence Building Measures like bus service and cross LoC trade are “just in name. They have served no purpose.”

Mr. Chaudhary was accompanied by Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front chairman Mohammad Yasin Malik during his city tour. He said he would try to meet political leaders, but did not name any one.

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Sep 2011 09:01

Very intersting story:
Why didn't the bomb explode? Afzal Guru wonders

Why didn't the bomb, planted in the car used during the 2001 Parliament attack, not explode? This question still puzzles convicted terrorist Afzal Guru, claims a 180-page manuscript by a Tihar jail superintendent.

"If the December 2001 terrorist attack on Parliament was a success then they would have made Jammu and Kashmir an international issue and would have entered into negotiations with the government" Guru -- the key accused in 2001 Parliament terror attack case -- is said to have told Manoj Diwvedi, Superintendent of Tihar Jail number 3.

Divided into six chapters, this document, starts with the attack itself and the first first chapter tells the nitty- gritty of all that happened on December 13.

It ends when Guru, on death row, is finally held by the police, Diwedi said.

"They were very confident that the car fitted with improvised explosive device would go off. Guru told me that they had parked the car fitted with bombs and explosives in front of a police the previous night of the attack fearing that it might be stolen. Surprisingly no policeman bothered to check it."

"Sadly, the car bomb used in the December 13, 2001 attack, did not explode and till date Afzal Guru is clueless as to why it did not explode.

"If the attack would have been a success they had also names of people in their minds who they would want to negotiate with," says Diwvedi, who has been refused permission by the Tihar authorities to publish the book.

The book also gives the reasons why Guru, whose Brahmin family converted to Islam generations ago, returned to anti-national fold.

Interesting that it is again the converted who are more deadly than the originals...

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 19 Sep 2011 14:05

Who aren't converted? Maybe the Pakistanis who are direct bloodline from Mohammed, or from his family, or from the prophet's companions, or from some Arabs who may or may not have been in that general area, or from the Turks, or (please, please) at least from the Afghans... Rest are all descendants of converts. Which basically shows that the problem lies with the software, not the hardware.

eklavya · Post by **eklavya** » 19 Sep 2011 15:26

Rony wrote:I don't think this is a right thread to talk about UPA vs NDA. But given a choice, i would pick NDA anyday not because NDA is as per my expectations but because UPA is far more pathetic than i thought.

eklavya wrote: If these interlocutors are about to sell India down the river, then the NDA should publicise the issue in parliament and the media. I only hear the NDA talk about Mr. Advani's travel plans, Mr. Modi's dieting regime, etc.
If anyone care to read the news then they would know that the BJP indeed raised the issue of the interlocutors statement of involving Pakistan in India's internal affairs but the wkk brigade responded in the similar fashion like how you are responding - essentially by bringing in irrelevant things like kandahar hijackings as if that is the answer for all the UPAs failings on terrorism front. No one agrees nor condones what BJP did during the Kandahar episode but using that as an excuse to shield UPA's pathetic response to terrorism is frankly pathetic.

Please state what non-pathetic response the BJP is advocating to terrorism.

Please state what non-pathetic response you are advocating to terrorism.

If the BJP does not believe in discussing Kashmir with Pakistan, for what purpose did the BJP invite the war criminal General Musharraf to India.

ManishH · Post by **ManishH** » 19 Sep 2011 16:33

eklavya: it's more like a wish that Congress would do a stab in the back - I bet you've heard of the "stab in the back legend" ? The wish will never fructify

The journey is smooth when backseat drivers stop poking the current driver from behind. The backseat driver is stupid if out of envy or difference in driving style, he wishes the driver would drive the car into a ditch, so they get a chance to drive next. Why would the driver do that endangering his own life ? The backseat driver can contribute better by reading the map and observing the traffic signs - for one day, the country will hand over the steering to him.

But BJP itself has lately shown uncharacteristic maturity & bipartisanship when it comes to J&K - I haven't heard howls of "sellout!" for all-party initiatives.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 19 Sep 2011 20:27

Eklavya, The point is not about what BJP response is to terrorism.As i made it clear before, BJP is well below my expectations . What i was objecting was the way some people always bring up kandhahar episode whenever some one critiques UPA's terrorism using torn shirt vs open fly type arguments.