Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 05, 2011

[ArmenT]

From Tribune news (posting in full). Spain pays jaziya to escape terror.

Spain confers highest military honour upon Kayani

Pakis embellishing things as usual.
First we pull up a list of Spanish Military Decorations
Note that the Gran Cruz al Mérito Militar is not on the top of the list. The Laureate Cross of St. Ferdinand is. Unfortunately, unless Mr. Kayani has served the Spanish Foreign Legion (perhaps a possibility, considering that its mascot is a goat ), he is not eligible for this award, as it requires service in the Spanish military.

Now let's see a more comprehensive list of Spanish decorations:
http://www.jeanpaulleblanc.com/Spain1.htm
What we're looking for is something that is the Military Order of Merit. As you can see, it is listed in section 33 of that page as:

The Military Order of Merit (1864) Consists of 2 Divisions. Each Division has 4 Classes, whose order of sequence is the reverse of that normally employed for orders.
For War Service:

1st Class - Red with a white centre stripe (ribbon).

2nd Class

3rd Class

4th Class or Grand Cross - Red with a white centre stripe (sash).

Military Services in general:

1st Class - White with red centre stripe (ribbon).

2nd Class

3rd Class

4th Class or Grand Cross - White with red centre stripe (sash).

Note the bolded parts in the above quote. So the man got a Grand Cross, let's see how prestigious it is. There's an equivalent civilian version of this called the Civilian Grand Cross of Merit as well, and one of its recent recepients was a Vietnamese chap called Truong Dac Vî for translating Don Quixote into Vietnamese. Looks like baksheesh only... perhaps Spain is looking to learn Paki techniques for getting people to part with their hard earned money in return. The Spanish are going to need some interest-free loans pretty soon, judging by the state of their economy. Who better to learn pan-handling techniques from than the Pakis?.

[shiv]

Spain's Ministry of Defence site with Kayani pics and details (in spanish)
with Google English translation

Congratulations Assphuck Kiyani!

The word "reconquista" comes from the way the Crusaders eliminated Islam from Spain. And General Kiyani of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, an Islamic country set up for Muslims is accepting an honor from Spain. I expect all the assorted Lashkar e Pedophiles who support him are thrilled.

And Yo you stupid Spaniards - you spineless frauds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings

three Moroccans and two Pakistani muslims[72][73] were arrested for the attacks, it was confirmed that the attacks came from an Islamic group

Here - remember your countrymen...

[Samudragupta]

In a way Ms Fair's article is a proof enough that the Americans don't know what to do with Pakistan...and is inline with the American thinking of tactical necessity vs strategic blunder....The Americans are clearly frustated with the Pakistani Problem and without knowing how to solve the problem in many ways created by them, only trying to create the self delusion that the problem actually may not exist....
But this will not work....they are looking for 'smart solution' not 'hard solution' but Pakistan is too entrenched a problem to be solved by just a tactical smart solution.....

[Virupaksha]

In a way Ms Fair's article is a proof enough that the Americans don't know what to do with Pakistan...and is inline with the American thinking of tactical necessity vs strategic blunder....The Americans are clearly frustated with the Pakistani Problem and without knowing how to solve the problem in many ways created by them, only trying to create the self delusion that the problem actually may not exist....
But this will not work....they are looking for 'smart solution' not 'hard solution' but Pakistan is too entrenched a problem to be solved by just a tactical smart solution.....

or the khan is doing it for some other reason (control India and empower Pak) and we are ascribing something to khan which he never wanted to do in the first place and thus the above thinking tells more about us than the khan.

[Samudragupta]

or the khan is doing it for some other reason (control India and empower Pak) and we are ascribing something to khan which he never wanted to do in the first place and thus the above thinking tells more about us than the khan.

Quite possible and going by the fast changing scenarios in Asia it will not be prudent to think that Americans are luring both PLA and IA in the Hindukush and SCS....and destroying them both in the meantime....and Pakistan is the bridgehead through which they are accomplishing this task...Creeping of the PLA towards hindukush is actually in the interest of the Americans as well as the gradual strenghening of the IA to challenge them....

[panda]

one of its recent recepients was a Vietnamese chap called Truong Dac Vî for translating Don Quixote into Vietnamese.

Maybe Kiyanahi got the medal for translating Don Quixote into real life.

[SSridhar]

That Christine Fair's article is a mixture of good and bad. She recognizes some of the facts such as: there is a long history of using Islam within the PA, the PA is the kabila force, PA respects jihad, Pakistan initiated all wars against India, there is little hope of Pakistan defeating India in the battlefield etc.

But, these recognitions are not then taken to their logical conclusion. The only rightful conclusion that can be arrived at based on these facts is that a reckless Pakistan, because of its unnecessary obsession with India, has endangered the Indian subcontinent and indeed the region and beyond. But, she does not come to this obvious conclusion. She converts these very same facts on their head, OTOH, to justify Pakistan's and PA's aggression, intransigence and support to terrorism. Let's see how she does that.

She says,for example that Islam "has long served -- with varying degrees of success -- as a unifying force to supersede ethnic, sectarian, and communal fissures that have long cut through Pakistan's polity." I am unable to appreciate her reasoning. Had she said that kafir India had 'served as a unifying force', she would have been correct. PA has always been a Muslim army. The first Sikh was inducted only a few years back and there does not appear to be any follow-up in recruiting non-Muslims. Even the police force did not have a Hindu officer until a few years ago. He too had to resign immediately thereafter due to harassment on religious grounds. There was no need for Islam to cement any divisive tendencies within the PA. By its very nature of the way Islam is practised in Pakistan, Islam does not tend to unify, it only tends to accentuate the differences, if at all. Which brand of Islam, which school of thought would be imposed to create this unity ? Zia-ul-Haq's attempts were to make the PA islamist in nature, from being just Muslim in character. Clearly, she is overlooking this fact and simply giving an impression that injecting a stiffer dose of Islam into the PA was a necessity.

She claims that "more liberal districts are producing officers" for the PA. She links this up with 'private school education'. This is not borne out by facts. Noted Pakistani educationist AH Nayyar recalled an incident when he was startled by the aggressive behaviour of Pakistani students when he posed certain inconvenient facts to them and how they wanted the destruction of India even if meant the annihilation of Pakistan itself. He writes, " I came to realise later that the younger people, particularly those who have passed through the mainstream educational system where the state indoctrination is so prevalent, are so heavily conditioned by the text books that what we say comes to them as an unpleasant shock. . This may explain the ovation the student got after my talk. It also explains why jehad has such a wide approval in the society". Noted Pakistani physicist, Hoodbhoy, speaks of a similar experience. This is the truth. The former Federal Education Minister Ms.Zobaida Jalal's house in Balochistan was attacked and she had to declare herself as a "fundamentalist" for having attempted to change the curricula and later agreed, in order to escape the wrath of the extremists, that school textbooks without references to jihad were incomplete. All that she had done was to move a Quranic verse on jihad from the Biology textbooks of Class 11 & 12 to Class 10. She had to be eventually removed from her Ministership. These are textbooks for mainstream private schools. There is little difference between a private school or a public school or a madrassah as far as teaching religious bigotry, hatred for Hindus and intolerance are concerned. In c. 2007, a Pakistani clinical psychologist published a book that busted several myths. In his book, 'Probing the Jihadi Mindset', he said that over 40% of the jihadis (out of the 500-odd) who were detained by Pakistan crossing back into Pakistan after 9/11 were educated in mainstream private schools.

[dada]

# SSridhar

Quote :"........younger people, particularly those who have passed through the mainstream educational
system where the state indoctrination is so prevalent, are so heavily conditioned by the text
books that .........."

We had 10 Subjects to study in the School days. History was merely 1 of them. I dont recall indoctrination of school with respect subjects like Mathematics,Sciences,etc. But surely the level of indoctrination of the pakis speak volumes of the way , history / pakistan studies are taught to these islamos. It seems that Muslim/Paki Psyche loves to live in the Bygone era !

Is there any source of scanned copies of pakistani textbooks(especially history/pakistan studies) (in english) available on the internet ? at any of the uploading sites. Suggest some sources.

These subjects are being taught from Std I to the last years of even professional military , engg, medical programmes in Pk. So this systematic indoctrination lasts for about 16 years ! (10/12 years of schooling + 3/4 yrs of professional education )

[shiv]

Slowly, repeatedly I am getting exposed to the "new thinking" that seems to be percolating through he highest levels in India. It goes contrary to all I have ever thought and all that BRF has mooted. I am not at all sure that I accept the conclusions but the change see now seems to have occurred and we are going to see more of it. Mark my works.

It appears that India, along with the USA have come to the conclusion that Pakistan is so badly radicalized that the possibility of a radical Islamist takeover in Pakistan is really high. The feeling is that this must not occur and that means India and the US tucking their tails between their legs and supporting what exists of the Pakistani state. Terrorism or no terrorism. I am given to understand that a Taliban like takeover after state failure in Pakistan will inevitably lead to increased radicalization in India and non stop terrorism. And refugees. Apart from the nuke worries. And a never ending spiral of security expenses.

My usual questions about this remain and no one has addressed my doubts yet
1. What will Pakistani radicals do after state failure that the Pakistani state has not done all these years?
2. Surely one method of employing our youth bulge is in the security business

I am going to be looking for answers as I guarantee that we are increasingly going to hear the "go soft on the Pakistani state" refrain. You heard it here first.

[Lalmohan]

when the islamists come to power, the first thing they will do is go on an internal cleansing frenzy - minorities, liberals, intellectuals, politicians - it will be taliban + khmer rouge all rolled into one. more so than afghanistan. this may take 4-5 years, and will almost inevitably spill over into iran, afghanistan and very definitely india. with some luck and collaboration between Iran, India - and heaven forbid Unkil and Dragon - this might even be bottled up for a little while in the hope of burning itself out. if they survive strong - they will then embark upon global jihad - formally, overtly and deliberately; with the nukes.

perhaps PNS Mehran demonstrated just how close to the tipping point they actually are?

we have moved on from '2 minutes to midnight' to perhaps 30 seconds

[SSridhar]

We had 10 Subjects to study in the School days. History was merely one of them. I dont recall indoctrination . . .

Is there any source of scanned copies of pakistani textbooks(especially history/pakistan studies) (in english) available on the internet ? at any of the uploading sites. Suggest some sources.

In India, we practice reverse indoctrination for fear of upsetting some sensibilities.

Leaving that OT aside, see the first post of every TSP thread and there are references. You will not get scanned textbooks, but extracts from various textbooks for various classes. Particularly, see the SDPI report by AH Nayyar whom I quoted above in another context.

There is a monograph by Yvette Claire Rosser, "Islamisation of Pakistan: Social Studies Textbooks", {Rupa & Co, 2003} an excellent effort.

[dada]

# lalmohan

The whole world(including all of us) adopted the policy of "passivity" for so many decades. But this is not going to last for long. It is like the Appeasing Policy adopted by the British PM Chamberlain in 1940s until Germany under Hitler , set the ball rolling by invading Poland !

Sooner than expected , I think we have to take sides & tackle the islamic menace head on. Islamism in Pakistan is now way beyond the CRITICAL MASS (required for sustained chain reaction process). It is a Living - Evolving - Strengthening Process whose resolution may lie in WWIII ! Our Approach to Islamic Terrorism has been reactive , never preemptive/active. We cannot help being dragged into this mess.

[SSridhar]

. . . and will almost inevitably spill over into Iran, Afghanistan and very definitely India. . .

And Central & West Asia regions too.

[RamaY]

if they survive strong - they will then embark upon global jihad - formally, overtly and deliberately; with the nukes.

we have moved on from '2 minutes to midnight' to perhaps 30 seconds

Lalmullah ji,

So this means that
- Paki nukes are not duds and are real. Just repeating so if anyone has doubts they are cleared now.

- That neither Unkil nor lizard have any clue or control over the location and security of those nukes.

- That even a overt talibanization of Pakistan will not motivate a combined effort of Unkil-chinkil-desi-Ruskin to snatch those crown (they are not clown any more) jewels from these beards.

- India will still keep it's NFU even in such a 100% probability scenario.

Then the world deserves a talibanized Pakistan indeed.

[A_Gupta]

In c. 2007, a Pakistani clinical psychologist published a book that busted several myths. In his book, 'Probing the Jihadi Mindset', he said that over 40% of the jihadis (out of the 500-odd) who were detained by Pakistan crossing back into Pakistan after 9/11 were educated in mainstream private schools.

Sohail Abbas, 2007, Probing the Jihadi Mindset
Review: http://www.asiaviews.org/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=27

[Lalmohan]

ramay-ji
i believe that just as pakistan have played plausible deniability with us re terror, they have and continue to play plausible deniability with unkil on nukes. chini's are being taken for a ride and playing high stakes poker. the price of their support for pak might well mean that unkil's ICBM's land on beijing and shanghai

[Sanku]

I am going to be looking for answers as I guarantee that we are increasingly going to hear the "go soft on the Pakistani state" refrain. You heard it here first.

Sorry Sir-jee; Manmohan has been saying that loud and clear for about 6 years now.


Its only that most BRFites have come to actually believe that he has been saying this -- only now.


It is nothing new, and it is handling of the same level that we have seen in all fields with respect to the Great Manmohan.

[Cosmo_R]

Slowly, repeatedly I am getting exposed to the "new thinking" that seems to be percolating through he highest levels in India. It goes contrary to all I have ever thought and all that BRF has mooted. I am not at all sure that I accept the conclusions but the change see now seems to have occurred and we are going to see more of it. Mark my works.

It appears that India, along with the USA have come to the conclusion that Pakistan is so badly radicalized that the possibility of a radical Islamist takeover in Pakistan is really high. The feeling is that this must not occur and that means India and the US tucking their tails between their legs and supporting what exists of the Pakistani state. Terrorism or no terrorism. I am given to understand that a Taliban like takeover after state failure in Pakistan will inevitably lead to increased radicalization in India and non stop terrorism. And refugees. Apart from the nuke worries. And a never ending spiral of security expenses.

My usual questions about this remain and no one has addressed my doubts yet
1. What will Pakistani radicals do after state failure that the Pakistani state has not done all these years?
2. Surely one method of employing our youth bulge is in the security business

I am going to be looking for answers as I guarantee that we are increasingly going to hear the "go soft on the Pakistani state" refrain. You heard it here first.

Propping up the Pakistani state is a misguided strategy if true. For example, what if the 'Pakistani State' chooses not to impede refugee flows into India citing inability? Also, what is the connection between the state failure in Pakistan and radicalization in India--IOW, what specifically would alter the IM mindset as a result of a taliban takeover that the ISI's current campaign would not do?

Growth/decline of terrorism in India is going to depend on the various states and their politicians not hindering the Center's CT efforts because local pols see vote banks. The inability to deal with Naxals is a case in point.

My two cents is that GoI has outsourced its Pakistani strategy (if it had one) to the US in order to focus on China. That's about it.

[habal]

>>
So most likely the TSP was doing something in the biotech insititute and hence made it off limits to visitors.

Were they into bio-warfare?[/quote]

there is a lab developing haemorragic fever virus in that area. Meant for either Israel or India.

[arun]

X Posted from the India US Strategic News and Discussion thread.

The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and Aspen Institute India (Aii) have cosponsored a U.S.-India Joint Study Group to identify the shared national interests that motivate the United States and India regards the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

The following are select policy recommendations from the report, The United States and India: A Shared Strategic Future.

•Hold classified exchanges on multiple Pakistan contingencies, including the collapse of the Pakistan state and the specter of the Pakistan military losing control of its nuclear arsenal.
•The United States should heavily condition all military aid to Pakistan on sustained concrete antiterrorist measures by the Pakistan military against groups targeting India and the United States, including in Afghanistan.
•The United States should continue to provide technical assistance to Pakistan to protect its nuclear arsenal, and to prevent the transfer of this technology to third parties.
•India should continue its bilateral negotiations with Pakistan on all outstanding issues, including the question of Kashmir. India should attempt to initiate quiet bilateral discussions with Pakistan on Afghanistan as well as trilateral discussions with Afghanistan.

Read it all (1 MB download):

The United States and India: A Shared Strategic Future

[Varoon Shekhar]

Again, make it clear to the US and to slimy writers like Christine Fair, that the US bears huge responsibility for what Pakistan is and has become, and hence any damage/harm to India from Pakistan, will rebound on the US in the form of criminal culpability. Remind the US of that, anytime they frown when India has civilian ties( let alone the slightest military) with Iran.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (posting in full).
Pakistan pavilion shut down after banned weapon ads caught at UK expo

By Gibran Ashraf - Published: September 16, 2011

KARACHI: Defence & Security Equipment international (DSEi) permanently shut down the Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF) stand and Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organisation Pavilion after promotional material was found on both containing references to cluster bombs at the London expo.

A DSEi statement said that promotional material was found containing references, which on closer inspection were found to be in breach of UK Government Export Controls and the exhibitions own contractual requirements.

The statement posted on the DSEi website further read that the British Government fully supported the decision by DSEi to close the stand and the Pavilion.

The Pakistani arms companies were found distributing brochures bearing advertisement for banned cluster bombs at the expo.

Cluster bombs, are banned in UK under the UK export control act 2002. They are also prohibited under the explicit acknowledgement of the exhibitors.

Brochures obtained from Pakistan Government companies clearly list cluster munitions including 155mm artillery ammunition containing 88 sub-munitions (weapons having an area of effect damage).

A brochure obtained from the Pakistan Ordnance Factory (POF) lists the 155mm BB DPICM (artillery ammunitin containing 45 sub-munitions).

While a brochure obtained from Pakistan’s Defence Export Promotion Organization (DEPO, Stand S7-265) entitled “Public and private sector companies and their commercial products,” listed the government owned POF (page 9) as able to supply 155mm HOW HE ICM M483A1 (cluster munition containing 88 sub-munitions).

The brochure also listed the Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) [page 5, section e, sub point 3] being able to supply programmable sub-munition dispensers.

The objections were raised by a British Member of Parliament, Caroline Lucas. She also pointed out to the double standard of the exhibitors who were simultaneously holding a conference on cluster bombs, the “Second Meeting of States Parties to the Convention on Cluster Munitions” in Lebanon which seeks to eliminate the usage of cluster munitions.

The Guardian reported that some Pakistani arms manufacturing companies were also advertising gold plated sub-machineguns as ‘collectors items’.

Cluster bombs gained notoriety when the US used their infamous daisy cutters during their Afghan campaign.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune news article. A silver lining to the floods in TSP. No chance meeting possible between MMS and the TSP PM on the sidelines of UN in NYC.
Gilani cancels US visit due to floods

By Reuters - Published: September 16, 2011
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani cancelled a visit to the United States to attend the UN General Assembly session because of floods which have hit southern Pakistan, his office said on Friday....

[BijuShet]

From Tribune (posting in full). "Confessions of a cheating Paki" coming soon to a court near you.
Muhammad Amir, bookie Majeed confess to spot-fixing in court

Published: September 16, 2011
Amir has confessed to his involvement in spot-fixing. PHOTO: FILE/AFP
LONDON: Pakistan Fast bowler Muhammd Amir has confessed to his involvement in spot-fixing during Pakistan’s test series in England last year. The bookie who set up the fix, Mazhar Majeed has also confessed in court.

Sources said that the young cricketer had submitted a confessional statement in a court in London.

The spot-fixing scandal was initially exposed by the now-closed British tabloid “News of the World”.

The tabloid had alleged that Amir and fellow bowler Mohammad Asif deliberately bowled no-balls at specific times during Pakistan’s 2010 tour of England in return for payment from a betting syndicate.

The News of the World alleged that an agent affiliated with some of the Pakistani players, later identified as Mazhar Majeed, had accepted a bribe from an undercover reporter Mazher Mahmood for information that Amir and Asif would deliberately deliver no balls at specific points during the match, information which could be used by gamblers to make wagers with inside information (a process known as spot-fixing, compared with match fixing to predetermine a match result).

In the video posted by News of the World, Majeed, was shown counting out the bribe money, and promised that Amir would be Pakistan’s bowler for the first over, and that the third ball of the over would be a no-ball delivery. Amir did bowl the first over, and on his third delivery from the over, bowled a no-ball delivery.

Commentary described the delivery as a “massive overstep”, a good half-metre beyond the popping crease. Majeed also predicted that the sixth delivery of the tenth over would be a no-ball, and the ball, delivered by Asif, was also a no-ball delivery.

It is believed that their confessions will not affect the spot-fixing cases being heard against fast bowler Mohammad Asif and then skipper and opening batsman, Salman Butt.

[BijuShet]

From Tribune opinion piece (posting in full). A small attempt by a TFTA RAPE to reclaim Jinnah as one of their ilk and not a fundoo as many in TSP beleive.
The Jinnah we don’t want to know

By Aziz Akhmad - Published: September 13, 2011
The writer is a human resource consultant currently based in New York [email protected]
I have a large framed photograph of M A Jinnah, our Quaid-i-Azam, on a wall of my home office here in New York. It is an old photograph in sepia tones, showing the man dressed immaculately, as always, in a dark suit, striped tie, white straight-collared shirt with double cuffs that protrude a little from underneath his coat sleeves, revealing a cufflink and wearing two-tone shoes.

Jinnah is squatting on the lawn of what appears to be an elegant red-brick house lined with shrubs and greenery. He has a cigarette between his lips, while both his hands are occupied holding a small, white, long-haired dog, a West Highland terrier, or Westie, as the breed is called. Sitting next to the Westie is a big, black Doberman, wearing a studded leather collar, his ears pricked warily. All three — the man and the dogs — are looking straight into the camera.

Jinnah has an amused expression on his face, which, it seems, would break into a grin were it not for the cigarette between his lips. He looks about 60 and dashingly handsome with fine features, a full head of hair with generous splashes of gray carefully combed back.

It’s a shame that the official Pakistan does not display pictures of Jinnah like this one more often — and there are numerous such charming pictures of him in the archives: Jinnah in a chair with his young and beautiful daughter, Dina, standing by, both with a big smile; Jinnah laughing with Gandhi; Jinnah sitting on the arm of a park bench, posing with his sister and other friends; and many more. These pictures reveal the human side of Jinnah, almost a flamboyant side.

Ironically, most Pakistanis have grown up seeing their Quaid-i-Azam, in textbooks, on the covers of their notebooks and currency notes, as an unsmiling, humourless and a somber man, clad in a sherwani and a boat-shaped karakul cap that came to be called the Jinnah cap.

True, Jinnah did start wearing a sherwani and chooridar pyjama or shalwar and a karakul cap — in the last 10 or 12 years of his life — in public gatherings. But he never gave up wearing western clothes. Nor did he give up his love for dogs, nor, unfortunately, his addiction to cigarettes.

Jinnah was a modern man, a westernised man. Whatever his personal beliefs, he never wore religion on his sleeves. No photographer has ever been able to capture him clad in an ahram performing umrah or Hajj, or at an iftar party, or visiting and praying at shrines.

Not only have we ‘doctored’ an official image of Jinnah, we even insist on misspelling his name. Jinnah would spell his first name as Mohamed, as evident in his passport, issued in November 1946. The picture in the passport shows Jinnah wearing a western jacket, a tie and a Jinnah cap. I suspect this is the same picture that appears on our currency notes, but with the tie and jacket replaced with a sherwani collar. Obviously, we have been trying to clad Jinnah in an identity we wish to assume for ourselves — an overt religious identity.

We even rearranged the famous phrase “Unity, faith and discipline” from one of his speeches to “Faith, unity and discipline” and translated faith to mean religion, which, in the context of the speech, meant confidence or conviction.

Published in The Express Tribune, September 14th, 2011.

[sanjeevpunj]

US should confront Pak on anti-India terror groups: Lawmakers
Source:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us-sh ... rs/847612/

Washington:Two top US lawmakers have questioned Pakistan's "duplicative role" in the war against terror, blaming ISI for aiding extremists, particularly against India, while criticising the Obama administration's lack of assertiveness against Islamabad on the issue.Congressman Brad Sherman said at a Congressional hearing on India-US relationships yesterday that the US should confront Islamabad on its duplicative role, pointing out that Pakistan-based terror groups with links to al Qaeda, have inflicted a series of attacks on India."I've consistently called the State Department and others in our government to call out Pakistan for its often duplicative role in the struggle against terror. Pakistan's intelligence service, ISI, has for too long aided violent extremists," he said."Several Pakistani groups including Lashkar-e-Toiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed have links to al-Qaeda. These groups have launched numerous attacks against the Indian population and government, including the deadly assault against the Indian parliament in New Delhi in 2001," he said.

Americans recognise this fact, and sadly our own ministers see it as home grown terrorism.

[shiv]

should be "duplicitous", not "duplicative"

[Rangudu]

Dr. Shiv, This reminds me of one senior executive that I worked with, speaking in front of a large audience, said that "there is simply too much duplicity in our organization" instead of using the term "duplicative roles"

[anmol]

Some of the letters have been removed so, I am posting the complete article and letters that haven't yet been removed..

EXCLUSIVE: New A.Q. Khan Documents Suggest Pakistan Spread Nuclear Weapon Technology

By Micah Morrison

Published September 16, 2011 | FoxNews.com

Documents obtained by Fox News suggest that for decades Pakistan spread nuclear weapon technology around the globe in exchange for cash, political influence and help with its own atomic bomb program. Among those on the other side of the deals: China, Iran, North Korea and Libya.

The charges are contained in two documents written by A.Q. Khan, the Pakistani nuclear arms trafficker long thought to be the mastermind behind an elaborate global supply and procurement network: a thirteen-page confession to government authorities and a dramatic letter hastily written to his wife as an international manhunt tightened around him.

In a Fox News exclusive, never-before-seen Khan photographs and documents will be featured in an upcoming special: "Fox News Reporting: Iran's Nuclear Secrets," airing Sept. 18 at 9 p.m. ET. The documents include the thirteen-page confession, the letter to his wife, and a Pakistani intelligence service report on Khan. The exclusive photographs show the Khans in a variety of intimate settings, including under house arrest. Fox News is also releasing the documents and photographs over the Internet today.

The extent of official Pakistan government involvement with Khan is a matter of intense and at times acrimonious debate among counter-proliferation experts. Was Khan a master criminal operating outside the system—or was he part of the system?

The documents obtained by Fox News are A.Q. Khan’s version of events. They should be carefully weighed against other available evidence. But with U.S.-Pakistan relations severely strained by the killing of Usama bin Laden and the imminent draw-down of U.S. troops in neighboring Afghanistan, the question of nuclear-armed Islamabad spreading weapons of mass destruction takes on a new urgency.

At one time, Khan feared his own government might kill him.

“Darling,” he writes to his wife in December 2003, “if the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand.” He warns her, “they might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things (dirty) they got done by me in connection with Iran, Libya & N. Korea.”

A scientist and strong-willed bureaucrat known as “the father of the Islamic bomb,” Khan was a popular figure in Pakistan.

But prodded by the United States over mounting evidence of smuggled nuclear shipments to Libya, Pakistan began tightening the noose around Khan in 2003.

In early 2004, the ISI, Pakistan’s Directorate of Inter-Services Intelligence, brought Khan in for questioning. Khan’s written confession is a result of those sessions.In February 2004, Khan appeared on Pakistan television and offered a brief confession. The next day, President Pervez Musharraf pardoned Khan and sentenced him to house arrest. In recent years, the terms of Khan’s house arrest have been modified, but he remains under tight government control.

In his televised confession, Khan put the blame on himself, saying that “proliferation activities…over the last two decades” were “inevitably initiated at my behest.”

The documents, revealed in full here for the first time, suggest a different story.

On China, Khan writes in the letter to his wife: “We had cooperation with China for 15 years. We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong. We sent 135 C-130 plane loads of machines, inverters, valves, flow meters, pressure gauges.” From China, Pakistan received “drawings of nuclear weapons” and fifty kilos of “enriched uranium”—a key component for a nuclear bomb.

On North Korea: “Gen. Jehangir Karamat took $3 million through me from the N. Koreans and asked me to give them some drawing and machines” related to uranium enrichment. General Karamat was Pakistan’s Army Chief of Staff from 1996 to 1998 and ambassador to the United States from 2004 to 2006.

In an email to Fox News, General Karamat of Pakistan said “I categorically deny this baseless allegation.” The claim that he accepted money from Khan, he wrote, is “preposterous, false and a malicious fabrication.”

Read General Jehangir Karamat’s letter to Fox News here.
The following is a letter from General Jenhangir Karamat to Fox News.

Dear Ms Browne,

Thank you for reaching out to me prior to your planned broadcast and website postings. I am sure that a prestigious news organization like the Fox News will satisfy themselves about the authenticity and credibility of sources, documents, letters, statements etc because many of these have been in circulation and have been changing hands for years even as new fabricated ones keep cropping up. There are obviously many motivations for this activity.

None of the information that you have asked me to comment upon is new. It has all been published before in different formats and pertains to events almost fifteen years ago. The entire proliferation episode actually spans a much longer period with more than one country involved. The total episode was the subject of an exhaustive and thorough investigation before it was formally closed. The allegations and information surfacing now have to be seen in this overall context as regards their timing and motivation as well as coincidence with other currently ongoing situations----these aspects will inevitably be discussed.

Having retired in 1998 I was not privy to the details of the proliferation episode and the final investigation report. I can only comment on the specific issues that concern me and are supposedly from ‘statements made during investigations’.

The allegation that I accepted any payment from Dr Khan for letting him pass on material to North Korea is preposterous, false and a malicious fabrication. In fact if such an allegation has been made then it fully implicates Dr Khan in ‘one on one’ dealing with another country including receiving money. Where that money subsequently went (if it was paid) is speculation and no one persons word can be accepted especially if that person was actually involved in such matters over a prolonged period. I doubt that Dr Khan would put himself in such a position because it in no way clears him—it actually implicates him. I categorically deny this baseless allegation because I never asked Dr Khan to pass on to the North Koreans ‘drawings and machines’ related to uranium enrichment.

As CGS I was not in a position to demand anything from Dr AQ Khan. He was neither my subordinate nor could I delay or sanction payments to him or anyone else. I had nothing to do with the payments or the program. I am also sure that a person of Dr Khan’s standing would not get into the business of carting around money in brief cases like a bagman. If any illegal demands were being made then those could, and should have been reported to my superiors because the CGS was never in the loop on matters pertaining to the nuclear program.

I am not aware of the dealings between ‘Kang’ and Dr Khan or anyone else. I have no knowledge of the details of the North Korean program that are given in your note. I do know that as COAS I did not personally control any enrichment program and that GHQ never made payments of any sort to anyone. All contact was through designated staff and GHQ had nothing to do with contractual payments. There were never any ‘secret funds’. All contracts were between governments with laid down channels for payment—these could not be violated or circumvented. No contract with North Korea was signed during my tenure as COAS. Any material given or received outside the ongoing contracts by the person in charge of those materials was illegal. There was no reason for anyone to make any payment to me at Army House or anywhere else—no such payments were ever made because no transfer of material was ever authorized by me.

The comments about the status of the North Korean program and the details given are something that I do not know about and therefore cannot comment upon. All this has been written about before and if you so desire I can try and locate that article and forward it to you. This probably pertains to a much later period 1999-2003 possibly so the question of anyone asking me for permission to transfer material does not arise. This never happened. I am not sure who is being indicated when it is said that ‘since they were working in the plant with P-2 machines’ but if it implies North Koreans then their presence was completely illegal and unauthorized. I would seriously question such an assertion.

Finally let me say that as a rule I do not get into correspondence or discussion over such issues because no country would want its responsible people to publicly debate sensitive matters. I have given you my views frankly and I hope you will use this material judiciously.
With best wishes and regards
Jehangir Karamat

Fox News did not receive a response to emails to North Korean authorities requesting comment on Khan’s claims.

On supplying Iran with nuclear material, Khan writes that he gave “a set of drawings and some components to the Iranians,” as well as “the names and addresses of suppliers.” He writes that he was directed to do so by Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s defense adviser, General Imtiaz Ali, “probably with the blessing of BB.” General Imtiaz died in 2003.

In a note on the letter’s margin, Khan says the documents and parts were delivered to Iran by a Bhutto family confidant.

“Must have got money for it ($1 million).”

On Libya—the immediate source of his 2004 downfall—Khan is evasive. “If the Libyans have any papers/drawings bearing our name or signatures,” he writes in the confession, “they must have obtained them from Farooq [a Sri Lankan working with Khan], Tahir or our old suppliers.” But the game was up. Khan’s associate, Tahir, was in custody in Malaysia. The CIA had been closely tracking the Libyan supply operation.

Khan declined Fox News requests for an interview.

In the letter to his wife, Khan is desperate; in the confession, defiant. “Without my knowledge and experience, Pakistan could never—repeat never—have become a nuclear power. It was only because of my initiative, knowledge and achievements that our nation can walk straight and tall today!”

His dealings with other countries, he says, were largely a matter of Pakistani foreign policy. “I have done nothing against the interests of Pakistan and whatever I did could not have resulted in the proliferation of nuclear weapons. It was primarily meant to keep up our friendship with those countries that had been helping Pakistan from time to time.”

Pakistan officials did not respond to Fox News requests to discuss Khan’s claims.

Fox obtained the documents from Simon Henderson, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. While some of the contents of the Khan documents have been reported by other news organizations, they have never been released to the public. Until now.

Read A.Q. Khan’s entire thirteen-page confession here.
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Read A.Q. Khan’s letter to his wife here.
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Fox News also obtained from Henderson a Pakistan government report based on the questioning of Khan and others by the ISI. Sources tell Fox News that the ISI report was circulated to Western intelligence agencies after Pakistan refused to produce Khan for questioning

The report says nothing about China or North Korea.

Read the ISI report here.
same here ?

“Fox News Reporting: Iran’s Nuclear Secrets” is the result of an 18-month international investigation into Iran’s nuclear program.

The special will offer new details on Saddam Hussein’s obsession with Iran, including an interview with his FBI interrogator; exclusive photos of A.Q. Khan; analysis of the Khan documents; new satellite photos; and details of China’s role in alleged proliferation activities.

(BACKUP)Read the Fox News exchange with the Government of Iran.
(BACKUP)Read the Fox News exchange with the Government of China.

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A.Q. Khan's Thirteen-Page Confession

Published September 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com

The following is the thirteen-page confession of A.Q. Khan.

I was in Belgium in December 1971 and had just submitted by Ph.D. thesis when I saw the most painful and humiliating scenes of the surrender of the Pakistan Army in Dacca. To see our officers and jawans with crosses on their backs and their heads shaven being herded like cattle by Indian soldiers being kicked and hit with sticks was such a traumatic scene that I would never forget it my whole life long.

In May 1974 I was working as a Senior Scientist at FDO in Amsterdam and had specialized in uranium enrichment technology, the most advanced and the most complicated technology that the Dutch, the Germans and the British had perfected after spending billions of dollars over a 20 year period. Even today it is the best technology for enriching uranium.

On 18th May, 1974 the Indians exploded their first nuclear weapon. Appreciating the immediate dangers posed to Pakistan’s security and very existence, I offered my services to the Prime Minister, Mr. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. On 20th December 1974 I paid a short visit and explained the whole process to the Prime Minister and told him that I could give Pakistan nuclear capability. After explaining the process to Munir Ahmed Khan, Chairman PAEC, we went back to Holland. On 21st December 1975 we again came on holiday. I went to see the progress of the work done in one year, which turned out to be almost nil. I explained this to the Prime Minister, who asked me to stay back and send my resignation to FDO. It was a tough decision for me and my family but we decided to stay so I could serve my beloved Pakistan. I was appointed Advisor to PAEC in June 1976. For six months I had worked without being paid and under miserable and disgusting conditions. I was later paid Rs. 3,000 per month.

Working under PAEC proved to be impossible, hence the Prime Minister detached the Project from PAEC and made it independent under a Board of Coordination with Mr. A.G.M. Kazi (Chairman), Mr. Agha Shahi (Secretary General Foreign Affairs) and Mr. Ghulam Ishaq Khan (Secretary General Defence ) as members. We were to work directly under the Prime Minister.

One should not forget that I had brought with me technology, experience and personal notes worth billions of dollars. Without my knowledge and experience, Pakistan could never - repeat never - have become a nuclear power. It was only because of my initiative, knowledge and achievements that our nation can walk straight and tall today!

How I organized the work, set up the facilities and organized a most efficient network of companies to import materials and equipment is part of our history. I personally supervised each and every aspect of the Project and prepared the drawings and specifications to give to the suppliers. I trained hundreds of scientists and engineers who were initially totally ignorant of this high technology. The speed of the work and our achievements surprised our worst enemies and adversaries and the West stood helplessly by to see a Third World nation, unable even to produce bicycle chains or sewing needles, mastering the most advanced nuclear technology in the shortest possible span of time.

Our mastery of this most advanced and invaluable technology enabled us to sign a historic contract for a giant plant in China. Because of my assistance to the Chinese, they in turn helped Munir Ahmed Khan in various projects that had been stagnating for years (i.e. UF6, Reprocessing, Conversion, Production Reactor etc.).

By 1984 we had conducted successful cold tests and had manufactured all components for 30 nuclear devices. Upon my personal request, the Chinese Minister for Nuclear Technology had gifted us Kg 50 of weapon-grade enriched uranium, enough for 2 weapons. This gift clearly illustrates the importance the Chinese attached to the enrichment technology they received from me. I had asked for this to neutralize Indian nuclear blackmail and the imminent security threat to our country.

Work was progressing very fast and I worked 14 to 16 hours a day, 7 days a week to get the job done against all odds, against all embargoes and despite the non-availability of trained manpower or expertise.

In August 1988 President Gen. Ziaul Haq died in a tragic air crash. Elections were held and Benazir Bhutto became the Prime Minister. Gen. Imtiaz, former M.S. to Mr. Bhutto, became Advisor on Defence to the Prime Minister and took over the supervision of the nuclear programme.

In 1985 the revolution in Iran took place and there were many in Pakistan who sympathized with the revolution and change of dress code. Kahuta had a large number of Shias working there. One senior officer, Hanif Khalil, was even reported to have contacted the Iranian Ambassador, Mr. Mousavi, but, apprehensive of overzealousness and leakage to favour Iran, I warned him to be more cautious and carefull.

In 1989 or 1990 COAS, Gen. Aslam Beg, promised to give the Iranians a few weapons and technology in lieu of 10 years of our defence budget. The Iranian Army Chief, Shamkani, flew to Islamabad in his own plane to pick up the weapons and papers. Admiral Sirohey as Chairman JCSC had a hard time trying to get out of this commitment, in which he succeeded. Later there was a lot of pressure by the COAS on Gen. Imtiaz and P.M. Benazir Bhutto to honour his commitment. Under pressure, Gen. Imtiaz asked Dr. Hashmi (I was out of station) to give some centrifuge parts and drawings etc. to the Iranians. He (Hashmi) asked him to wait until my return. When I got back, Gen. Imtiaz advised me to get components of two old (P-1) discarded machines and pack them into boxes together with 2 sets of drawings prepared by the late Mr. Khokhar. These drawings on their own were not sufficiently detailed to enable mastery of this difficult technology. The components and drawings were handed over to the late Dr. M.Z. Niazi for further disposal. As you know, Dr. Niazi was a confidante of Benazir Bhutto and Gen. Imtiaz.

It was some time in 1994 or 1995 that Dr. Niazi requested me to see a few Iranian scientists passing through Karachi from China on their way to Dubai and then on to Teheran. I met them in our guesthouse in Karachi for about half an hour. I did not know any of them and they didn’t give any names. They said that they could not make any progress with their programme and asked whether it would be possible for me to visit them or to send a team for a few weeks. I flatly told them that it was not possible to have that kind of contact. They then asked a few simple questions and I advised them to study the available scientific literature, which contained all the information they were asking for. They seemed to be ignorant of the basic knowledge available in publications.

During Gen. Zia’s rule, Benazir, her family, Gen. Imtiaz and Dr. Niazi were financially supported by Col. Gaddafi. It was reliably reported that Col. Gaddafi had given $ 200 million to the late Mr. Z.A. Bhutto to launch our nuclear programme. This was confirmed by Mr. Khalid Hassan, Press Secretary to Mr. Bhutto, in the mischievous BBC film “Project 706 - The Islamic Bomb”. I believe that one set of the drawings and components given by me was given to the Iranians and the other to the Libyans.

Dr. Z.K. Niazi used to travel between Dubai, Tripoli and London and in Dubai he became friendly with Farooq of Sri Lanka through a British common friend named Peter. He probably brought a Libyan in contact with Farooq and asked him to arrange a meeting during one of my trips to Turkey.

Once when we went to Istanbul (I donot know the date) to have discussions with Dr. Heilingbrunner, Lerch and Ruegg, Farooq (Sri Lanka) told me that a friend of Dr. Niazi’s would like to see me in the nearby Sheraton Hotel. We were staying at Hotel Dilson, Taksim Square. I met the gentleman, a plump darkish person who introduced himself as Magid or Mageed. He said that they wanted to start some R & D programme in the enrichment field and had been given assurances of Pakistan Government assistance. I said they lacked the trained manpower and infra-structure. He said that they could still start learning and do some laboratory experiments. I gave him a brief idea of how complex and difficult the whole technology was. After about half an hour we left and he said he would contact Farooq (Sri Lanka) whenever necessary. He was not a technical person.

We did not hear from them for years and then during one of our trips to Turkey to meet our Turkish and Swiss suppliers, Tahir (nephew of Farooq) said that his uncle had phoned to say that a gentleman from Libya was there to see us. I met this gentleman with Tahir. He was of medium stature, average weight and a bit bald. He introduced himself as an Engineer and the name I understood was Mahfooz (you mentioned it as Matooq). He said he was now planning to start the programme as nothing had been done so far and he wanted to start on a small laboratory scale. I told him the plant needed a lot of space and many workshops and manpower. He said that they could go underground, to which I replied that it was not possible for such a big plant with all the facilities to go underground. Since he was planning on a small scale, he thought they might set up a farm of camels or goats and put one or two small sheds in between to put up the laboratory and start training the people in various technologies (vacuum, welding process, computer etc.). I suggested they first send enough people abroad for degrees/training and then start the research programme. He seemed to like that idea. We met for about half an hour at the most. We did not meet again for a long time. After 4 or 5 years, while in Dubai, Tahir invited us to dinner in his flat and the whole Matooq family (9 or 10 people) was there too. He said that they were now starting the work and that he was in touch with foreign suppliers. These had agreed to supply components, equipment etc. through Dubai and other countries. I just listened, being sure in my mind that there was not a committed approach and that they would not be able to achieve much. What they needed was commitment and trained manpower, neither of which they had. I met this same gentleman at dinner at Tahir’s place once or twice more over a period of 4 to 5 years. On those occasions he never discussed any technical matters or asked any questions. I only heard him discuss payment problems to suppliers with Tahir. Tahir once mentioned that Matooq was always taking away quite a bit of money for his personal use. There was always a young man named Karim with him. The last time I met him was in Casablanca for half an hour at tea when we were going to Timbuktu. Tahir said he had asked to see him there as the suppliers were making his life difficult. Tahir asked him to send some money as quickly as possible as the suppliers were pressing him very hard and chasing him. Matooq neither gave me any detail of his work nor asked any questions. I was aware that Tahir was assisting him with the placing of orders according to the supplier’s quotations. It was business between user and supplier. The suppliers had all the drawings that we had originally given them as well as their own modified drawings and were, thus, in a position to supply the requested or suggested products, make their own suggestions and/or submit quotations. Even when we met the last time, I was sure that the Libyans were unable to run any machine properly, not to talk of enrichment. Since I never visited their country or saw any film of their facilities, I did not know anything about their programme. I had heard that they had not even erected a single shed to do some preliminary work.

Western suppliers were supplying components etc. and one factory in Malaysia, owned by the son of the Malaysian Prime Minister, Ahmad Badawi, was producing milk/oil tankers, liquid petroleum tankers etc. A Swiss Engineer had put up some machines in this factory to manufacture some components. The components intercepted on the ship near Italy were reportedly manufactured there. Pakistan or KRL had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

At one time Tahir asked if he could hire some retired/nearly retired engineers for his factory. Farooq (KRL) was quite unhappy at being demoted and was interested in a good job. Mr. Nasimuddin was nearing LPR and wanted to find a job abroad as his children were studying in the U.S.A. I asked them to send their C.V.s to Malaysia. Mr. Nasimuddin paid a visit there but did not like the place and preferred a government job in the Middle East. Farooq showed some interest, but then preferred to stay back as he was hoping that Mr. Azmat would retire and that he would again be promoted to the post of D.G. That was the end of their interest in Malaysia.

If the Libyans have any papers/drawings bearing our name or signatures etc, they must have obtained them either from Farooq (Sri Lanka), Tahir or our old suppliers, as the two first-mentioned had them in Dubai for our use.

I have heard that Tahir is being interrogated by the Malysian, American and British authorities and is telling all sorts of stories to save himself. He must be saying the things that the interrogators want to hear from him, even though they may be incorrect.

I did not ask anybody in KRL to send any gas to Libya and it is impossible to get 2 tons of gas out of Kahuta without this discrepancy being found out or caught. Our material balance sheet is foolproof. If one believes in the disappearance of this quantity of gas, one could also accept the possibility of the disappearance of Kg 200 or 300 weapon-grade material, which is also impossible.

The suggestion that I ever asked for a Libyan passport is both ludicrous and preposterous. I lived in Europe for 15 years and could have got nationality of Germany, Holland or Belgium, but I was proud to keep my Pakistani passport. H.H. Prince Mamdouh bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, brother of King Fahd, offered us (Gen. Chowhan, Dr. Nazeer and me) Saudi passports during one of our visists to the Islamic Development Bank meetings in Jeddah, but I very politely refused. H.H. Gen. Shaikh Mohammad bin Zayed, Chief of the U.A.E. Armed Forces and Deputy Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi, offered me U.A.E. nationality many times together with a luxurious villa, which I also politely refused. I discarded all these lucrative and attractive offers and preferred to work and live in Pakistan.

Iran

The Iranians went on their own to buy, process or manufacture components and equipment. We did not hear from them for years. Some 10 odd years ago Tahir asked for some P-1 components from Farooq (KRL). I don’t remember the exact details. As you mentioned, some small components (200 sets) were collected from our old, discarded stock or a few may have been manufactured and sent by Farooq (KRL) to Tahir, who then probably passed them on to some Iranians. There were no casings, bases, feed systems, scoops etc. Without this system the machine is useless and hence the components were of little value in the overall project. Furthermore, the components were old, mostly rejected due to being out-of-tolerances. They could, at the most, be useful for assembling a few machines but it would not have been possible to make them run to the desired speed. You have to be extremely competent and expert to assemble, balance and run these machines to full speed (63,000 rpm). I allowed it as it was earlier sanctioned by Gen. Imtiaz and the Government and it would keep the Iranians happy and our friendship with them in tact. That the Iranians failed to achieve any progress in 15 years, shows the complexities and extreme technical expertise required to master this technology.

It is most unfortunate that, having been betrayed by their own opposition nationals (Mujahideen Khalq Group) and having failed in their effort to achieve any progress, the Iranians have reportedly pointed their finger at us and are now putting us into trouble. They say that they have not given any names or sources from Pakistan. This was emphatically assured and conveyed to me through Izaz Jaffery by ex-Ambassador Agha Siraj Mousavi himself.

The spirit behind giving some assistance to Iran or Libya was to maintain friendly relations between them and us. At no time did I seriously believe that they were capable of mastering this technology as they didn’t have the required infra-structure, the trained manpower or the technical know-how.
North Korea

After approval from the Prime Minister and the COAS, a contract was signed with the North Koreans for a Km 1500 surface-to-surface guided missile. A delegation led by me and including Gen. Mian Mushtaq, DGCD, Admiral Sohail Ahmed Khan, Col. Qazi, Dr. Mirza, Nasim Khan and others visited North Korea for about 5 days. Later their team came here and the deal was finalized with the participation of the then DGCD, Gen. Ziauddin, Dr. Samar Mubarakmand and Chairman Suparco, Mr. Sikander. The Korean team was officially allowed to stay at Kahuta once the products started coming. This was some time in 1993-4. They had to work in the shops and instruct our engineers and technicians in the making of the components. Most of their work was in the two machine shops that were also producing and assembling centrifuges and centrifuge sub-assemblies. They became interested in the technology and some engineers spent a lot of time with Khokhar in his shop where rotor tubes, bellows, etc. were being made and there was a test-bed of P-2. Khokhar was making the liquid fuel rocket engine and needed the Koreans the whole day on a daily basis. During the course of their stay it is quite possible that he explained some details of centrifuge machines to them.

Some time in 1996, when the missile project was in full swing, some payments from the GHQ to the Koreans were pending. Somebody from GHQ advised Gen Kang, the Korean representative, to pay some money to Gen. Ziauddin to get the money released. Gen. Kang gave him a suitcase containing $ 0.5 million. Gen. Ziauddin informed Gen. Waheed, COAS, and they returned the money to Kang. Gen. J. Karamat, CGS, came to know of this and phoned me after a few days saying that I should arrange with Gen. Kang to pay this money to him for some secret army funds. He would then sanction the payment of their outstanding charges. He phoned me a few times to expedite the matter. I talked to Gen. Kang and he gave me the $ 0.5 million in cash, which I personally delivered to Gen. J. Karamat. In the meantime Gen. Karamat became COAS and said to me that he needed more money for the same secret funds and that I should talk to Gen. Kang. Gen. Kang came back to me after a few days and said that his boss was willing to give a further $ 2.5 million, provided we helped them with the enrichment technology. They already had a production reactor and were producing plutonium. They had also manufactured a few weapons as, according to Gen. Kang’s boss, they had received Kg 200 plutonium and weapon designs from the Russians in the mid-fifties after the Korean War. They had shown Dr. Mirza and me the perfect nuclear weapon, technologically more advanced than ours. They wanted this technology only for fuel for the power reactors as it cost only 1/10 of that of the diffusion process and required only low capital investment. They were not interested in weapon-grade production of material and did not ask any questions or for drawings for specially designed cascades for weapon-grade material. I informed Gen. J. Karamat; he agreed and gave me a go-ahead. I asked my people to prepare 20 outdated P-1 machines and gave them. Since they were working in the plant and were familiar with the P-2 machines, they asked for 4 of these too. I discussed the matter with the COAS and obtained his approval. After that I personally gave the remaining $ 2.5 million to Gen. Karamat in cash at the Army House to make up the whole amount. The senior engineers at Kahuta were responsible for the Korean’s movements and work. People at the plant were mixing with them every day and taking them around or discussing things with them. I was hardly there. I used to go to Kahuta for 3 or 4 hours to do administrative work and mostly spent the time in my office or with Brig. Behram who was making a launcher, which was our priority at the time. The Koreans took the machines in their own plane with which they were bringing missile parts for us. Security Staff was always present to check incoming and outgoing cargo. Even Dr. Mirza and Nasim Khan made some control panels and software packages and gave them. The Koreans had brought some UF6 gas for analysis, which we tested and found that it was not pure enough. They requested a few Kg of depleted gas for comparison purposes, which we gave them. Technically and monetarily it had no value. One could buy such a sample from abroad. One flowmeter was given to them as a sample. A flowmeter is an ordinary instrument in a UF6 plant. It is banned for Pakistan but available in the open market in Europe. They, in return, taught us how to make Krytrons (fast switches), which were banned items and are needed in nuclear weapons detonation. This was very valuable to us.

After having been here for years, the COAS (Gen. Pervez Musharraf) desired that we should send the Koreans back immediately. They left within 3 days. After that we had no more contact with them.

I left KRL on 31.3.2001 and that was that.

As far as the destroying of any papers or gate passes is concerned, I only advised people not to keep any papers or records that could implicate Pakistan with transfer of technology or equipment to North Korea at any later stage. At that time there were various lobbies against Pakistan and I feared that these papers could, if falling into wrong hands, be used to implicate Pakistan. It was only meant as a precautionary measure.

I have done nothing against the interests of Pakistan and whatever I did could not have resulted in proliferation of nuclear weapons. It was primarily meant to keep up our friendship with those countries that had been helping Pakistan from time to time.

I would like to reiterate that I never - repeat never - ever put foot on Iranian or Libyan soil.

Dr. A.Q. Khan

In early 1989 Gen. Aslam Beg asked me if I could help the Iranians in enrichment technology so that they could also achieve nuclear capability. He was convinced that, if Iran had this capability, it would work as a shield between Pakistan on the one side and the U.S.A. and other Western countries on the other side and that these countries would then not be able to undertake any mischievous or adventurous action against Pakistan. I agreed in principle, but told him I could only do so with a go-ahead from the Government. When Gen. Imtiaz told me to do the needful, I did so as I knew he must have obtained clearance from the Prime Minister.

So also was the case with Libya. Dr. Zafar Niazi told me that it had been cleared by the Prime Minister, upon which I took the necessary action.

A Letter Written by A.Q. Kahn to His Wife


Published September 15, 2011 | FoxNews.com

The following is a letter from A.Q. Kahn to his wife.



Editor’s notes:
1) This is a transcription of a handwritten 2003 letter from A.Q. Khan to his wife.
2) Material in brackets [ ] are clarifications by editor.
3) Deleted: address, phone number & email for journalist Simon Henderson, referenced in original.10/12/2003 [10 December 2003]



Darling,



If the government plays any mischief with me take a tough stand:



(1)You know we had cooperation with China for 15 years. We put up a centrifuge plant at Hanzhong (km250 south-west of Xian). We sent 135 C-130 plane loads of machines, inverters, valves, flow meters, pressure gauges. Our teams stayed there for weeks to help and their teams stayed here for weeks at a time. Late minister Liu We, V. M. [vice minister] Li Chew, Vice Minister Jiang Shengjie used to visit us.



(2)The Chinese gave us drawings of the nuclear weapon, gave us kg50 enriched uranium, gave us 10 tons of UF6 (natural) and 5 tons of UF6 (3%).
Chinese helped PAEC [Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission, the rival organisation to the Khan Research Laboratories] in setting up UF6 plant, production reactor for plutonium and reprocessing plant.



[Page 2]



(3) Probably with the blessings of BB [Benazir Bhutto] & Gen [Aslam] Beg , Gen Imtiaz asked Hashmi [a former colleague of AQK] & me to give a set of drawings and some components to the Iranians. We had no direct contact and we never sent anybody or received anybody. The names and addresses of suppliers were also given to the Iranians.



[Note in margin] Gave these things through Dr Niazi [Bhutto family dentist and confidant, now dead]. Must have got money for it ($1 million).



(4) Gen Jehangir Karamat [still alive, chief of army staff 1996-8, sent by Musharraf as ambassador to U.S. 2004-2006] took $3 million through me from the N Koreans and asked me to give them some drawings and machines.



(5) We sold [conventional] weapons to Libya, Sudan & Malaysia. And sent [conventional] weapons to Bosnia. [Khan’s KRL plant also made anti-tank missiles and shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles.]



(6) There is proof of all this stashed somewhere safely which will be given to public and press.



[Page 3]



Use Major Islam or Hashmi [former colleagues of A Q Khan] and get S M Zafar [lawyer of AQK] to take up these matters in court/public.
Get in touch with Simon Henderson
[Address, phone numbers, email deleted]
And give him all the details.



Ask Henk [Slebos, part of Khan’s purchasing network in the Netherlands] to get a guy from Telegraaf and give him all the details.



Tell them the ******** first used us and now playing dirty games with us.



Love you
Khantje [diminutive name used between Khan and his wife]



Get out quickly to Dubai with Tanya [grand-daughter who lives with them] for a while or leave Tanya with Ayesha [daughter who lives in Islamabad].



[Page 4]



I believe they want to make me a scapegoat as Mr Wajid Shamsul Hassan (former HC [high commissioner] in London) had warned in an article (with Major Islam).



They might try to get rid of me to cover up all the things (dirty) they got done by me in connection with Iran, Libya & N. Korea.



This is just to forewarn you.



A Q Khan



Dr A Q Khan
NI & Bar, HI

[hnair]

Insight into the gent who scythed down two pakis and paid his way out of jail..... A lot of it is hagiographical and the structural insights of cullinary structure has to be fake, so take it FWIW

http://www.mensjournal.com/black-ops-an ... ney/print/

But what about the incident, I ask — the one that brought on the greatest intelligence crisis in America’s history with Pakistan? What about the shooting?

Tareen smiles.

“The shooting was expert.”

Spying works like this: The CIA sets up an office within the American embassy in Paris, for instance, or Nairobi. An agency case officer works undercover as a passport-pushing, visa-stamping bureaucrat. Meanwhile, he or she runs agents — that is, finds and grooms local players to gather information for the case officer, who then sends it home for analysts to examine. These local agents are valuable because they have connections in a world where American officers don’t. They can look the part, speak the language, move freely, ask more questions.

The paki bolis chief seems to be proud of the way khanlander shot down a fellow paki.

[A_Gupta]

In 1989 or 1990 COAS, Gen. Aslam Beg, promised to give the Iranians a few weapons and technology in lieu of 10 years of our defence budget.

"Beg" is a very appropriate name.

[jaibhim]

Just keeping an eye on the worm lab comprising of luminaries from the land of the pure, such as Tauseef-ur-Rahman one of the fastest growing propagandists of the Ummrah, completing the website trail reveals this-http://www.facebook.com/KashmirIntegral ... lafat;this gives a vast array of links that quite honestly are frightening and it is no surprise that the regular fireworks occur, also giving links to Indian supersonic riders who might be disparate agents or a part of a group and the home ministry's cyber wing to prevent and actively look at propaganda sites is fast asleep. The contents will explain themselves with their pictures. Just wanted to alert BR, i have done my dharma.
Jai Hind

[abhishek_sharma]

Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War: Sarmila Bose

Border terror camps active again, says PM

[saip]

Look at the lecherous Kianahi eyeing the Spanish defense minister!

Link

[Y I Patel]

Conclusion of Prof. Fair's article:

The Limits of the Data

The Pakistani Army has used Islam for a variety of institutional and national goals. Elements of the Army have indeed radicalized as evidenced by the rare -- but increasing and devastating -- terrorist attacks in Pakistan that have involved military personnel. Our findings, however, suggest the Pakistani Army, at least until 2002, was no more likely to recruit from conservative areas of the country, suggesting in turn that perhaps -- perhaps -- there is less radicalization than is commonly assumed.

Admittedly, these conclusions are tentative, and these measures of social liberalism are no doubt imperfect. This study, moreover, cannot be conclusive as it can only speak to the districts that produce officers, not the worldview of officers themselves. Given the high stakes involved, this subject requires more thorough data collection and analysis. Understanding these dynamics is vital for the United States, but it's perhaps even more important for Pakistan and Pakistanis who rely on their military to protect their country.

Speaks quite eloquently as to what she herself thinks of the analysis. To caricature her position in a sentence, "Here's a hint as to why PA may not be as fcuked up as we think."

It's easy to poke holes at an analysis that has, by necessity, to push this far out to collect supporting data. Easy, but not very useful. What is much more useful is to ask where she is headed with this.

So why did she go looking for evidence of secular elements in PA? Because America recognises that all its hard and soft power would be ineffectual, were America to go 1x1 against Islamic fundamentalism. So America needs Islamic allies, and America is desperately looking for secular Islamic allies to partner with in its war. There has been no success so far, but that will not stop America from keeping at it. Again, it would be easy to laugh at American desperation and stupidity. Easy, but equally stupid.

By exploring the strength and reliability of secular Islamic elements in PA, Prof Fair is really trying to find a weapon to aim at the amrit nabhi of Ravana; Ravana being Pakistani Islamic Fundamentalism. It is a Ravana, because each head chopped off will regrow. It is a Ravana because the core of Pakistan, the amrit nabhi, is the Idea that Pakistan is founded to be the "Defender of Islam in India". And now, ominously, this Idea is getting stronger and global - by becoming the heartland of Islamic Fundamentalism, the Core Elite of Pakistan are slowly arrogating for themselves the title of "Defenders of Islam". Anyone who opposes them can bloody the heads, but that very act will make the Idea of Pakistan stronger. Ravana will regenerate the head.

But where does it say in the Koran that Pakistanis are the true defenders of Islam? Their friends in the west got them started, but certainly India has not done enough to contest the Idea of Pakistan. Many Indians (and looks like most on BRF!) want nothing to do with Islam. And others, who fight for the Idea of a Secular India, really do so by cacooning Indian Islam as if it were a source of vulnerability that dare not be exposed. How about treating it as a sword for a change? How about India being the True Defender of Islam? If USA tries to pull a stunt like this, they will be a laughing stock. But India? Islam is India's heritage. Indian Islam is the fourth and biggest ethnic leg of Islam - numerically much larger than Arabic, Turkic and Persian Islam. Maybe inadvertantly, but in creating Pakistan the biggest casualty was Indian Islam, because it got broken first into two, and then three.

How can India become the Defender of Islam? This reminds me of the time when someone asked me as to when I will stop beating my wife. I twisted myself in knots over this accusation, and continued to fail spectacularly. Until my wife pushed me aside and dared anyone to try to beat her up. Every Indian government since independence has tried to soften India's image vis a vis Islam, and failed. I do not see how anyone can claim that to be a recent development. Maybe it is a late tubelight on BRF.

Hindu India will never be able to convince Pakistan that it is secular India. Only Muslim India can do that; only Muslim India can destroy the Idea that Pakistan is the Defender of Islam. For that, Indian Islam has to be empowered to become post-independence India's sword. It is not to say that Indians are not trying - but if we keep trying to get to it in Indic terms it is simply not going to work. For it to work, India will need credible Muslims in leadership positions. It will work for non-political institutions, but that is not sufficient. It has to work at the level of politics, because everyone knows and understands that's where India's power is weilded. But unlike the Supreme Court or DRDO or the military, muslim politicians will not have an unimpeded path to highest levels of leadership. The reasons are understandable - why should a naturally and predominantly Hindu India preferentially and deliberately cede leadership to a Muslim? Why can't India let Pakistan self-destruct, as it is doing so effectively? Because the Country of Pakistan is no longer the Ravana India is fighting, and the defeat of the State of Pakistan may not be the end of the Idea that propels it to power. The Idea of some entity being the True Defender of Islam will survive and seek another body. And there are plenty of other corrupted bodies to nurture that soul. Any such avatar of the Idea will return to haunt India, unless India steps up as (sorry for mixing metaphors) Nilkanth to swallow Indian Islam and use it's potence as a vajra.

[shiv]

Many Indians (and looks like most on BRF!) want nothing to do with Islam. And others, who fight for the Idea of a Secular India, really do so by cacooning Indian Islam as if it were a source of vulnerability that dare not be exposed. How about treating it as a sword for a change? How about India being the True Defender of Islam? If USA tries to pull a stunt like this, they will be a laughing stock. But India? Islam is India's heritage. Indian Islam is the fourth and biggest ethnic leg of Islam - numerically much larger than Arabic, Turkic and Persian Islam. Maybe inadvertantly, but in creating Pakistan the biggest casualty was Indian Islam, because it got broken first into two, and then three.

YIP. You are, as you always were in your earlier avatar, a brave man who is able to broach difficult subjects. BRF has decided long ago to people itself with members who contest this sort of idea. My observation of India the country is that your views have a greater following outside of BRF. To that extent the "forum" has developed a personality that has decided to wear blinkers with regard to Islam in India. Nothing wrong in representing a valid opinion - but BRF often fails to read the writing on the wall with regard to Islam in India simply because we are, on average happier and more comfortable pointing out that all Muslims are violent murderous and traitorous aliens and are less enthusiastic about admitting any sort of Islamic influence in India. To that extent we are doing a mirror image of Pakistaniyat where all Hindus/Indians are traitorous cowardly deceitful people whose influence on Islam/Muslims needs to be rejected outright.

I had said these things long ago on BRF and it never caused any happiness and always ended up with reactions of anger, disgust, rancor. As a fun experiment I discovered that i was able to say anything I felt like about Islam and Muslims on BRF with no opposition whatsoever, as long as I stuck to that.

I had once created a diagram which I will link below to demand that the "Right wing" viewpoint in India should be reconciled with the "secular" viewpoint mainly to make sure that the "right wing" in India is not sidelined and declared a minority viewpoint. The BJP and RSS did that. BRF did not. Here is that image

Click on thumbnail below to view. Your post falls in the category of "Group C, Kafirs- fence sitters". BRF is less comfortable with this group and quite content to support the viewpoints of groups A and B. BRF maintains a "borderline" that is marked by the number II, and sometimes by the number I in the diagram. It is easier for the "rest" to push that group into a corner and declare them minority. Hence BRF is "right wing".

Incidentally the FBI training manual graph linked by someone deals only with the left side of the picture - with the green Ummah, and speaks only of the border (number IV )and groups E and D who are described as "Islamists" and "moderates" respectively.

[arun]

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... efits.html

Some Asian families in Britain are having too many children in order to claim extra welfare payments, Britain’s first female Asian peer claimed last night.

Baroness Flather accused the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities of failing to adopt the values of British society and said they should have their benefits slashed.

Grand-daughter of Sir Ganga Ram and member of the UK House of Lords Baroness Shreela Flather writes an article herself in the Daily Mail on the practise of Mohammadden immigrants from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Bangladesh to indulge in polygamy and breed large families in order to milk benefits from the UK’s welfare system:

Polygamy, welfare benefits and an insidious silence

[Airavat]

Hindu India will never be able to convince Pakistan that it is secular India. Only Muslim India can do that; only Muslim India can destroy the Idea that Pakistan is the Defender of Islam. For that, Indian Islam has to be empowered to become post-independence India's sword. It is not to say that Indians are not trying - but if we keep trying to get to it in Indic terms it is simply not going to work. For it to work, India will need credible Muslims in leadership positions.

The above conditions already exist in the Kashmir region of J&K state. Muslim majority and Muslims in prominent positions. In fact the GOI under Nehru manipulated them into a ruling position over the rest of the J&K state.......now lets see how that affected Pakistan.

The tiny minority of Kashmiri Pandits was terrorized and driven out of the Kashmir region into the Jammu region by the Pakistanis and their agents. They even tried to engineer Hindu-Muslim clashes in the Hindu-majority Jammu region. After cleansing the Kashmir region of infidels, the pukes (punjabis and pashtuns) are now finding excuses to slaughter the Kashmiri Muslims on ethnic grounds.

So nothing we do in India will alter the pakistani mindset. The mere existence of multicultural India is a threat to these rogues. In fact, the idea that what India does in its internal matters has any effect on pukistan is quite naive. They have no interest in Indian Muslims except as tools to engineer further breakups of India. Remember that Pakistan closed its borders to Indian Muslims way back in 1953.

Let the multiple battles of purity, tanzeems, biradaris, provinces, languages, continue till this worthless land bleeds into oblivion.

[chetak]

Hindu India will never be able to convince Pakistan that it is secular India. Only Muslim India can do that; only Muslim India can destroy the Idea that Pakistan is the Defender of Islam. For that, Indian Islam has to be empowered to become post-independence India's sword. It is not to say that Indians are not trying - but if we keep trying to get to it in Indic terms it is simply not going to work. For it to work, India will need credible Muslims in leadership positions.

The above conditions already exist in the Kashmir region of J&K state. Muslim majority and Muslims in prominent positions. In fact the GOI under Nehru manipulated them into a ruling position over the rest of the J&K state.......now lets see how that affected Pakistan.

The tiny minority of Kashmiri Pandits was terrorized and driven out of the Kashmir region into the Jammu region by the Pakistanis and their agents. They even tried to engineer Hindu-Muslim clashes in the Hindu-majority Jammu region. After cleansing the Kashmir region of infidels, the pukes (punjabis and pashtuns) are now finding excuses to slaughter the Kashmiri Muslims on ethnic grounds.

So nothing we do in India will alter the pakistani mindset. The mere existence of multicultural India is a threat to these rogues. In fact, the idea that what India does in its internal matters has any effect on pukistan is quite naive. They have no interest in Indian Muslims except as tools to engineer further breakups of India. Remember that Pakistan closed its borders to Indian Muslims way back in 1953.

Let the multiple battles of purity, tanzeems, biradaris, provinces, languages, continue till this worthless land bleeds into oblivion.

YI Patel has indeed been indulginging in some very strong herbal products.

So he wants Hindu India to become the defender of islam??

By promoting muslim leadership in India??

and after that what hapens to the Hindus??