Internal Security Watch

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2011 08:35

Ear to the ground

By Shishir Gupta

A nice and wright up describing the problems faced by the police in the country and the weak Human Intelligence gathering capabilities of the state. To counter that, he is suggesting targeted recruitment from specific communities in order to improve Humint capabilities in the vulnerable communities of the Indian State, in order to prevent and solve cases of terror.

What the author seems not to recognise is that the communities in India have very strict norms and the intelligence that will be fed can be targeted for a specific end. Or the officers of law enforcement agencies can be subverted and used to fed false intelegence to the system causing more problems then solutions.

He ends by suggesting that the existing apparatus focus more on crime solving rather then declare victory after solving every small clue to the riddle.

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Sep 2011 08:55

* Drumroll*

Apparently, there are many more cases of "saffron terror" than previously disclosed ( never mind that the ones disclosed are also faltering and on verge of being thrown out bu courts). As election season approaches in UP etc, saffron terror suddenly surges:
'Saffron terror' role being probed

The ''saffron terror'' might well be a much bigger phenomenon than previously envisaged, with the investigating agencies suspecting involvement of Hindutva activists in as many as 16 explosions across the country.

A special director of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) is understood to have recently told the state police chiefs that the Hindutva activists have either been suspected or are under investigation in 16 incidents of bomb blasts in the country.

The right wing activists’ role in four incidents of bomb blasts so far has come into public domain, but the top intelligence official’s remark during the annual conference of the Director Generals and Inspector Generals of Police from the states last week revealed that the saffron terror had assumed a much larger proportion.

Sources said that the IB official had not specified the 12 other cases in which the investigating agencies suspected or probed the role of Hindu extremists.

IIRC, some of the 16 cases might be:
* During diwali, some cracker burst by a young Hindu child terrorist and falling near a "minority" area.
* Some guy wearing saffron clothes driving rashly on the road and so becoming a "saffron terror" on the road.
* During Holi, some gulal falling onto "minority" home

etc etc

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 21 Sep 2011 09:00

Posting in full............. However, the author seems to ignore the fact, most of the suspects of terror in Delhi in the last 15 years have been picked up from Jamia Nagar, Delhi.

Who's afraid of Batla House?

Coming in the wake of the Delhi High Court bomb blast on September 7, the third anniversary of the 2008 Batla House encounter on September 19 was no ordinary remembrance. A quick recap: there was an alleged encounter between suspected Indian Mujahideen terrorists in the Batla House locality in Jamia Nagar, Delhi, in which two suspected terrorists, Atif Amin and Mohammad Sajid were killed. Three other suspects, Mohammad Saif, Zia-ur-Rehman and Zeeshan, were arrested from the Jamia area, and numerous others taken into custody from other locations in India. Delhi Police inspector and acknowledged 'encounter' specialist Mohan Chand Sharma who led the police action was also killed during the incident.

There was a sense of outrage among locals and protests were organised by civil society groups and a section of teachers from the Jamia Millia Islamia. As fresh versions of the encounter began to appear in the papers, political parties jumped into the fray with the Samajwadi Party and the BSP demanding a judicial enquiry. Strangely, a judicial enquiry was denied.

Governments often accede to requests from pressure groups for a probe into such actions. So why was a judicial enquiry denied into the Batla House encounter? This isn't about whether the encounter was 'genuine' or not. This is about Delhi being exposed to a series of bomb blasts and the ensuing leads that led the police to L-18 Batla House. Three lives were lost and many are in jail with little hope of redemption.

After the public demand for a judicial enquiry, the local police travelled through India and apparently found connections to those arrested with criminal/terrorist activities in places including Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Gujarat, Maharashtra and Andhra Pradesh. A number of cases were filed against them in different states. Since it would be difficult to club these cases and try them in a single court, the cases will probably never be concluded.

The country needs to know the true, full story. Were these real terrorists? If so, who were behind them? Who provided them local shelter and weapons? How did they hide all this in a crowded locality living cheek by jowl with neighbours? Have their deaths and incarcerations been based on flawed information and evidence? Also, what legal or constitutional sanction do 'encounter' specialists have? These are serious questions that need to be asked and answered.

The judicial enquiry would not only bring us closer to the truth but it would also provide a balm to many. Meanwhile, the 'Batla House encounter' continues to stigmatise an entire community. Fast-food chains refuse to deliver to Jamia Nagar and taxis often refuse a booking from the area. The general apathy of the police and civic authorities often leads residents taking the law into their own hands. This is evident from the illegal constructions, the senseless digging of tube-wells for homes (and for the illegal constructions), and the general lack of civic discipline that pervades this area.

In a way, Batla House has become a manifestation of the general sense of apathy and malaise that pervades the rest of India.

(Najeeb Jung is vice-chancellor, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi. The views expressed by the author are personal.)

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Sep 2011 10:38

Bharatpur killings: Cong admits govt failure, police excess

In a clear indictment of the Ashok Gehlot government in Rajasthan, a delegation of Congress MPs who visited riot-hit Bharatpur on the instructions of party president Sonia Gandhi, have held the police responsible for “excesses” including firing “inside the mosque”, it is reliably learnt.

Noting that all the eight who were killed were Meo Muslims, the delegation is said to have reported that the mosque walls had bullet marks and bloodstains. Their report was submitted to Sonia this evening.

No calls to dismiss the govt over this other than a small rap on the fist?

Can one even imagine the INC spokesperson and sundry DDM blaberring if even half of this had happened in a non-INC ( mainly BJP) state?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 21 Sep 2011 10:43

I am mainly about the police officers and men. There will be no one to support them (like the policemen who were involved in firing in Mumbai many years back). Even the castes of the constables involved in firing were brought up as debating points!

sum · Post by **sum** » 21 Sep 2011 10:55

^^ Definitely but in India, cops are a given as a punching bag. In which other country would 10-12 senior officers be in jail for knocking off a known terrorist/gangster?

Even assuming the cops were at fault, amazing that no fingers pointed at the state govt by the usual suspects.

Guess, cops in BJP rules states must be ruing their fate since any similar action of theirs might land them in jail for life...

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 21 Sep 2011 20:23

Recent Judgement in Fake Encounter case by J. Markandeya Katju

CRIMINAL APPEAL NOS.1174-1178_OF 2011

[Arising out of SLP((Criminal) Nos. 3865-69 of 2011]

Prakash Kadam & etc. etc. .. Appellants

-versus-

Ramprasad Vishwanath Gupta & Anr. .. Respondents

J U D G M E N T

Markandey Katju, J.

A curse shall light upon the limbs of men;

Domestic fury and fierce civil strife

Shall cumber all the parts of Italy;

Blood and destruction shall be so in use

And dreadful objects so familiar

That mothers shall but smile when they behold

Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;

All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:

And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,

With Ate by his side come hot from hell,

Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice

Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the dogs of war;

That this foul deed shall smell above the earth

With carrion mean, groaning for burial.

-- (Shakespeare: Julius Caesar Act 3 Scene 1)

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24. In our opinion, the High Court was perfectly justified in canceling the

bail to the accused-appellants. The accused/appellants are police personnel

and it was their duty to uphold the law, but far from performing their duty,

they appear to have operated as criminals. Thus, the protectors have become

the predators. As the Bible says "If the salt has lost its flavour, wherewith

shall it be salted?", or as the ancient Romans used to say,"Who will guard

the Praetorian guards?" (see in this connection the judgment of this Court in

CBI vs. Kishore Singh, Criminal Appeal Nos.2047-2049 decided on

25.10.2010).

25. We are of the view that in cases where a fake encounter is proved

against policemen in a trial, they must be given death sentence, treating it as

the rarest of rare cases. Fake `encounters' are nothing but cold blooded,

brutal murder by persons who are supposed to uphold the law. In our

opinion if crimes are committed by ordinary people, ordinary punishment

should be given, but if the offence is committed by policemen much harsher

punishment should be given to them because they do an act totally contrary

to their duties.

26. We warn policemen that they will not be excused for committing

murder in the name of `encounter' on the pretext that they were carrying out

the orders of their superior officers or politicians, however high. In the

Nuremburg trials the Nazi war criminals took the plea that `orders are

orders', nevertheless they were hanged. If a policeman is given an illegal

order by any superior to do a fake `encounter', it is his duty to refuse to carry

out such illegal order, otherwise he will be charged for murder, and if found

guilty sentenced to death. The `encounter' philosophy is a criminal

philosophy, and all policemen must know this. Trigger happy policemen

who think they can kill people in the name of `encounter' and get away with

it should know that the gallows await them.

27. For the above reasons, these appeals are dismissed.

28. Before parting with this case, it is imperative in our opinion to

mention that our ancient thinkers were of the view that the worst state of

affairs possible in society is a state of lawlessness. When the rule of law

collapses it is replaced by Matsyanyaya, which means the law of the jungle.

In Sanskrit the word `Matsya' means fish, and Matsyanyaya means a state of

affairs where the big fish devours the smaller one. All our ancient thinkers

have condemned Matsyanyaya vide `History of Dharmashastra' by P.V.

Kane Vol. III p. 21. A glimpse of the situation which will prevail if

matsyanyaya comes into existence is provided by Mark Antony's speech in

Shakespeare's `Julius Caesar' quoted at the beginning of this judgment.

29. This idea of matsyanyaya (the maxim of the larger fish devouring the

smaller ones or the strong despoiling the weak) is frequently dwelt upon by

Kautilya, the Mahabharata and other works. It can be traced back to the

Shatapatha Brahmana XI 1.6.24 where it is said "whenever there is drought,

then the stronger seizes upon the weaker, for the waters are the law," which

means that when there is no rain the reign of law comes to an end and

matsyanyaya beings to operate.

30. Kautilya says, `if danda be not employed, it gives rise to the condition

of matsyanyaya, since in the absence of a chastiser the strong devour the

weak'. That in the absence of a king (arajaka) or when there is no fear of

punishment, the condition of matsyanyaya follows is declared by several

works such as the Ramayana II, CH. 67, Shantiparva of Mahabharat 15.30

and 67,16. Kamandaka II. 40, Matsyapurana 225.9, Manasollasa II.

20.1295 etc.

31. Thus in the Shanti Parva of Mahabharat Vol. 1 it is stated:-

"Raja chen-na bhavellokey prithivyaam dandadharakah

Shuley matsyanivapakshyan durbalaan balvattaraah"

32. This shloka means that when the King carrying the rod of punishment

does not protect the earth then the strong persons destroy the weaker ones,

just like in water the big fish eat the small fish. In the Shantiparva of

Mahabharata Bheesma Pitamah tells Yudhishthir that there is nothing worse

in the world than lawlessness, for in a state of Matsyayaya, nobody, not even

the evil doers are safe, because even the evil doers will sooner or later be

swallowed up by other evil doers.

33. We have referred to this because behind the growing lawlessness in

the country this Court can see the looming danger of matsyanyaya.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 21 Sep 2011 22:45

Terror finance-what these agencies need to do

Recently two wings called the Combating of Funding of Terrorists and the Terror Funding and Fake Currency were set up. While the CFT would be under the Ministry for Home Affairs the TFFC was a wing created under the National Investigation Agency.

The primary objective of both these wings was to study and also combat the various methods adopted by terrorists in funding terror operations in the country.

The challenges before the two agencies are immense and what one realizes today is that the network that terrorists have set up is deep rooted. When one speaks about terror funding the first thing that goes into the mind is fake currency. Although Indian agencies claim that they have curbed this menace a great deal, the problem is still immense.

Latest reports by the Intelligence Bureau suggest that such money is not just being pumped in from Pakistan. Pakistan does continue to be a primary player in the fake currency racket, but over the past couple of months, several agencies who are probing these cases have found that newer channels have been opened up to pump fake currency. China and Thailand have become major players and this has only added to the misery of investigators in India.

Sources said that they see the same pattern that was used while pumping in fake currency from Pakistan. The drug route is what was used from Pakistan to pump in fake currency and also ammunition and today they see the same modus operandi from China and also Thailand.

Investigators have been studying the China and Thailand route since the past one year and today they confirm that these countries have become major players. There are at least 30 different routes from both these countries which are being used to pump in fake currency.

Earlier the notes were printed in Pakistan and also distributed from there. However now the notes are printed in Pakistan and then sent into Nepal, China and also Thailand before it is pumped into India. Most of the money that is sent to China is sent directly to India and it has been found that Uttar Pradesh is the main collecting point. In the past one year nearly Rs 5000 crore worth of fake currency has been pumped into Uttar Pradesh from the new routes.

The NIA says that there is a need for a lot of international cooperation which is required to curb this problem. These notes have spread like cancer into the Indian market and it will take a very long time before it is cleared out, the NIA also points out. The problem is that terrorist groups do realize that this is a lucrative manner for them to raise funds and also destablise the Indian economy and hence what we realize is that when one route shuts off the other one opens up for them. In China these persons have even gone up to the extent of setting up proper collection channels and networks. It is first sent to them and then distributed into India.

While the China network continues to be a headache for the security agencies, they also find that there are networks being opened up in Bangladesh, United Arab Emirates and very recently Sri Lanka.

While this is one part of the headache the other big issue that the TFFC and the CFT face is funding through a hawala network. Kerala is a key destination for hawala funding since it has a lot of money flow from the Gulf. The remittance runs into over 20,000 crore per year and a large part of it has been found to fund subversive activities.

The police say that they are confident that over the next few years the remittance through hawala will reduce considerably since the scrutiny is very heavy. Moreover what the new agencies probing these cases have found is that there is a bigger chance of such money being seized since it is done through one dedicated channel. Hence the reliance on hawala money for terror operations is also likely to come down. In addition to this it has also been found that countries such as the UAE which houses most of these hawala operators linked to India have slowly started to move away from this business. There have been instances to show that some of them have already moved into the fake currency racket and hence the number of networks in the Gulf handling fake money has also increased over the past couple of months.

While hawala and fake currency will continue to be under scrutiny in the days to come the donations will also come under the radar. It has been noticed that for small operations, terror groups are relying heavily on donations from sympathizers and more often than not they do not need to look outside the country for the same. Hence these agencies would have that additional job to undertake.

The new wings handling terror funding have in all 45 cases to handle. Officials in the new agencies say that they are in touch with the police from all across the country and each case big or small they would want to be kept in the loop about. In addition to this they are seeking the help of financial institutions such as banks which have become a major parking space for fake currency. It has been witnessed on more than one occasion that fake currency has been parked in banks.

Officials from the TFFC say that they would be setting up a proper data bank on this subject. More often than not it does help a lot to have the correct source of the financing since it makes cracking a case pertaining to terrorism easier. The foot soldiers always manage to give the slip and more often than not there is not much of a trail that is left. Even in the Delhi blasts case what they would now be looking for is the funding for the attack since this will lead them to the exact trail. Hence dedicated agencies such as these become very important to the case.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Sep 2011 01:54

VN has four points and wrote a whole page of filler stuff.

The key pointi sthat Delhi blast case is being looked at thru funding trail.

Other points are fake currency is rotued to UP and hawala thru Kerala. Ration is 1:5 respectively.
The latter is reducing due to UAE changes.

Where does Hyderabad fit in this funding trail?

Its supposedly the hawala Zurich.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 22 Sep 2011 10:27

prahaar wrote:I am mainly about the police officers and men. There will be no one to support them (like the policemen who were involved in firing in Mumbai many years back). Even the castes of the constables involved in firing were brought up as debating points!

Thats why Sigham has become very popupalr in Maha and Goa with special screenings. The Police are thrilled out their seats that there can be a +ve movie about the Police and their problems.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 22 Sep 2011 10:35

ramana wrote:VN has four points and wrote a whole page of filler stuff.

The key pointi sthat Delhi blast case is being looked at thru funding trail.

Other points are fake currency is rotued to UP and hawala thru Kerala. Ration is 1:5 respectively.
The latter is reducing due to UAE changes.

Where does Hyderabad fit in this funding trail?

Its supposedly the hawala Zurich.

Definitely.

The trade in Hyderabad is even today dominated and controlled by a party of thugs with pre independence origins.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Sep 2011 15:04

http://www.eurasiareview.com/20092011-b ... -analysis/

mynamar now hostile to NE terror groups on their soil.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 23 Sep 2011 00:16

This is the latest issue of NDF mouthpiece 'Tejas' published in Malayalam portraying Bin Laden as 'martyr'.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 23 Sep 2011 15:44

Ahmedabad police video about public awareness: Operation Saavdhan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChvGd42IJwU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt1KkdJyK2Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-h57EZrS70

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 25 Sep 2011 03:21

Fearing row, Bukhari detained

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 26 Sep 2011 11:45

Pratyush wrote:he is suggesting targeted recruitment from specific communities in order to improve Humint capabilities in the vulnerable communities of the Indian State, in order to prevent and solve cases of terror

Will not fly. Because in case of many such 'communities', the police men would be come out castes, if they slowly start leaking information. Plus the police men and their families would also become target for attacks. In many cases, police men working for Special Branch etc. are quite noticeable.

I remember reading about an incident in which Special Branch police men who visited the 'place of worship of a specific community' were identified and asked to leave.

Fast-food chains refuse to deliver to Jamia Nagar and taxis often refuse a booking from the area. The general apathy of the police and civic authorities often leads residents taking the law into their own hands

I remember that British had a practise of levying collective fines on specific areas. The above seems to be a slightly better way. The people in such areas (where terrorists popup regularly), they need to get that stigma attached to them. That may make them see things in a different perspective. And if these sort of "collective shaming" can make people start identifying the trouble makers (who is shaming the whole group), then it would be much better.

shyamd wrote:Kerala is a key destination for hawala funding since it has a lot of money flow from the Gulf.

K.P had recently busted a fake currency racket operating in the Northern parts of the state (Kannur and Kasaragod Dt.). And the arrested also included people from Hindu and Muslim community. The police got a tip-off when they were investigating a murder case. As per the vernacular press DRI and IB are also interested in this case and would be having chai biskoot sessions with the culprits.

Hawala transactions have become a menace in the state. There are areas in Malappuram Dt. which is noted for this. Generally when cases are reported of kidnapping young men, and later dumping them in some desolate part of the road - it is basically one Hawala gang attacking another. In cases where the victim goes and complains to the police, he would not be able to show proof as to why he had such large currency in his possession.

Dilbu wrote:This is the latest issue of NDF mouthpiece 'Tejas' published in Malayalam portraying Bin Laden as 'martyr'.

Tejas living upto its old reputation. BTW, did you see the latest look of Fat-man (Thadiyantavida) Nazir? He seems to have taken a head gear and beard style like that of Bin Laden

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Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 26 Sep 2011 12:28

BTW, did you see the latest look of Fat-man (Thadiyantavida) Nazir? He seems to have taken a head gear and beard style like that of Bin Laden .

Noticed that. That beard with no moustache look is catching on in radical IM youth circles in DMA I am told.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 27 Sep 2011 02:44

14 years on, Naga issue inching towards a solution

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 21:09

Portugal HC revokes extradition of underworld don Abu Salem

alem's counsel in Mumbai Sudeep Passbola also said the "Portugal high court terminated the extradition" and that he was awaiting the orders.

If India fails to convince the Portuguese judiciary, Salem may have to be sent back to a jail in Lisbon.

If such an action ever happens then we should all face the sad truth that the Leadership of this country is in bed with the Underworld and terrorists connected with them. I see no other reason why we should send someone whom we have.

This plus the European observors for Binayak Sen trial is very suspicious of our Polity which allows such open interference.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Sep 2011 23:25

Aditya_V wrote:Portugal HC revokes extradition of underworld don Abu Salem

alem's counsel in Mumbai Sudeep Passbola also said the "Portugal high court terminated the extradition" and that he was awaiting the orders.

If India fails to convince the Portuguese judiciary, Salem may have to be sent back to a jail in Lisbon.
If such an action ever happens then we should all face the sad truth that the Leadership of this country is in bed with the Underworld and terrorists connected with them. I see no other reason why we should send someone whom we have.

This plus the European observors for Binayak Sen trial is very suspicious of our Polity which allows such open interference.

European observers are doing their bit too, considering the human right groups fail to see that Abu Salem is an underworld don. So also how much common sense would be needed to be expressed in words by the high court in Portugal, even if the prosecution/defense/both fail to push their case.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 28 Sep 2011 04:38

Over 100+ NGOs under intelligence scanner.

http://www.timesnow.tv/NGOs-under-intel ... 385084.cms

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Sep 2011 07:29

‘I was pressured to withdraw my report on Haren Pandya's murder' - http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 491315.ece

Sanjiv Bhatt files affidavit in High Court against Narendra Modi and Amit Shah

Dropping yet another bombshell, suspended IPS officer Sanjiv Bhatt on Tuesday filed an affidavit in the Gujarat High Court alleging that Chief Minister Narendra Modi and his former Minister of State for Home, Amit Shah, had repeatedly tried to pressure him to withdraw his report and destroy the documentary evidence which he had placed on record regarding the murder of the former Minister, Haren Pandya.

“Failing to persuade me either to withdraw my report or destroy the very important documentary evidences regarding the role of certain highly placed State functionaries/politicians and senior police officers in the killing of Haren Pandya, I was removed from the post of Superintendent of Police in-charge of the Sabarmati central jail and was kept without a posting for over two-and-a-half months,” he said in the affidavit.

Mr. Bhatt, who had created a flutter by filing an affidavit in the Supreme Court on Mr. Modi's alleged “dubious role” in the 2002 communal riots, had earlier made a startling revelation that it was Tulsiram Prajapati, the close aide of the fake encounter victim Sohrabuddin Sheikh, who had actually pulled the trigger on Mr. Pandya, who was killed in the morning of March 26, 2003. He had maintained that Asgar Ali, the key accused from Hyderabad who recently was acquitted by the High Court, had informed him about Prajapati's role in the Pandya murder case in 2003, when he was lodged in the Sabarmati central jail, where Mr. Bhatt was the jail superintendent.

Mr. Bhatt also claimed that he had immediately brought the information to the notice of Amit Shah, then the Minister of State for Home.

In his affidavit, Mr. Bhatt said he had collected the “very important documentary evidences” regarding the roles of some “highly placed functionaries, politicians and others” and forwarded the same to Mr. Shah without realising that the Minister would not appreciate it. He said he had immediately forwarded the “said documentary evidences under a report to the Home department, the Government of Gujarat, for further appropriate action as required by law.” But the same afternoon he received a phone call from Mr. Shah, in which he expressed his “severe displeasure on the report and the accompanying documentary evidences forwarded to the Home department.”

Mr. Bhatt claimed that he was told by Mr. Shah to “immediately withdraw the report and destroy the unsavoury documentary evidence.” But rather than carry out the instructions, he thought it prudent to send another report along with copies of the documentary evidences, directly addressed to the Minister of State for Home, “thereby placing on record the telephonic conversation and also ensuring that the said crucial evidence was not disregarded or destroyed by interested parties.”

Mr. Bhatt claimed that both Mr. Modi and Mr. Shah were “highly disturbed and agitated” by his act, whereby the evidence was “kept on record despite their instructions to the contrary.”

He also claimed that he was “time and again directed to withdraw the communication” by which the evidence was placed on record. But consequent to his continued refusal to oblige the political bosses and carry out their “illegal verbal directions,” he was transferred, the affidavit said.

He further claimed that from November 2003 onwards he was repeatedly sought to be persuaded by Mr. Modi and Mr. Shah “to facilitate the withdrawal of the communication” sent by him in his capacity as the jail superintendent “delineating” the “functionaries/politicians and senior police officers of the State of Gujarat in the killing of Shri Haren Pandya,” in his report.

But “despite strong and coercive persuasion, the petitioner, being duty-bound, refused to connive in or facilitate the act of withdrawing and/or destroying the communication sent by me in my capacity as the Superintendent of Police in-charge of Sabarmati Central Prison,” Mr. Bhatt said.

Cannot comment about the presence of fire, but there does seem to be some smoke ...

"Holmes laughed softly to himself and stretched himself out upon the cushioned seat. "Both you and the coroner have been at some pains," said he, "to single out the very strongest points in the young man's favor. Don't you see that you alternately give him credit for having too much imagination and too little? Too little, if he could not invent a cause of quarrel which would give him the sympathy of the jury; too much, if he evolved from his own inner consciousness anything so outre as a dying reference to a rat, and the incident of the vanishing cloth. No, sir, I shall approach this case from the point of view that what this young man says is true, and we shall see whither that hypothesis will lead us. "

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Sep 2011 10:39

Pranav wrote: Cannot comment about the presence of fire, but there does seem to be some smoke ...

Yes, it is coming from back side of anti-India forces.

munna · Post by **munna** » 28 Sep 2011 11:15

Sanku wrote:
Pranav wrote: Cannot comment about the presence of fire, but there does seem to be some smoke ...
Yes, it is coming from back side of anti-India forces.

Seriously sankuji! Haren Pandya case is being handled by CBI and Shah or NaMo can do little else than twiddle their thumbs when it comes to influencing the case. Bhatt is proving to be like a notary who sits outside court complex and dishes all sorts of documents for a fee. This is merely a political hit job. No smoke no fire, plain skulduggery you see.

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 28 Sep 2011 19:54

Aditya_V wrote:Portugal HC revokes extradition of underworld don Abu Salem

alem's counsel in Mumbai Sudeep Passbola also said the "Portugal high court terminated the extradition" and that he was awaiting the orders.

If India fails to convince the Portuguese judiciary, Salem may have to be sent back to a jail in Lisbon.
If such an action ever happens then we should all face the sad truth that the Leadership of this country is in bed with the Underworld and terrorists connected with them. I see no other reason why we should send someone whom we have.

This plus the European observors for Binayak Sen trial is very suspicious of our Polity which allows such open interference.

Portugal should focus on their PIIGS situation rather than such frivolous matters. Human rights etc. don't matter much when you can't sew up your finances to ensure two square meals for your citizens. That, I say, is a more serious violation of human rights

The bugger is with us and convicted on various charges. We can't let two-bit nations dictate who we shall try and on what charge can they be tried as well as the sentences for those charges. Time to show middle finger - It was nice doing business with you Portugal!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Sep 2011 14:50

Marut wrote:quote="Aditya_V"]Portugal HC revokes extradition of underworld don Abu Salem

alem's counsel in Mumbai Sudeep Passbola also said the "Portugal high court terminated the extradition" and that he was awaiting the orders.

If India fails to convince the Portuguese judiciary, Salem may have to be sent back to a jail in Lisbon./quote]

If such an action ever happens then we should all face the sad truth that the Leadership of this country is in bed with the Underworld and terrorists connected with them. I see no other reason why we should send someone whom we have.

This plus the European observors for Binayak Sen trial is very suspicious of our Polity which allows such open interference.
Portugal should focus on their PIIGS situation rather than such frivolous matters. Human rights etc. don't matter much when you can't sew up your finances to ensure two square meals for your citizens. That, I say, is a more serious violation of human rights
The bugger is with us and convicted on various charges. We can't let two-bit nations dictate who we shall try and on what charge can they be tried as well as the sentences for those charges. Time to show middle finger - It was nice doing business with you Portugal!

Thats what we should but wouldn't this be a nice excuse for Politicos who are in bed with him to get him released, send to Potugal and let him have a good life>

Police, CBI is made scapeboat but the truth could be some Indian Politicans are actively working with many criminals use such excuses. Then cases get dropped overnight saying too much expense spent on this and it is a waste of money.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Sep 2011 14:57

^^ There was once a newspaper report when Salem was first arrested as to how he was hands down the biggest idol for all of Azamgarh

The article had mentioned about how Salem would sail through if he ever contested from Azamgarh....So, he would definitely be having lots of political support from the usual "secular" parties and am sure there will eb huge pressure for either the Portugal send back deal or release him on bail deal..

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Sep 2011 15:04

It takes simple Villagers 19 years to get justice, really sad state of our Judicial system.

Vachathi verdict: 269 convicted, 17 for rape

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 29 Sep 2011 15:05

sum wrote:^^ There was once a newspaper report when Salem was first arrested as to how he was hands down the biggest idol for all of Azamgarh

The article had mentioned about how Salem would sail through if he ever contested from Azamgarh....So, he would definitely be having lots of political support from the usual "secular" parties and am sure there will eb huge pressure for either the Portugal send back deal or release him on bail deal..

exactly, but if you cant do it in India pay a bribe to a judge in Portugal and use international commitments to get the job done.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Sep 2011 20:22

Munna, Sanku was implying the same.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 Sep 2011 01:07

Hindu reports:

K.Subramaniam appointed Maharastra Police Chief

Finally.

Gaurav_S · Post by **Gaurav_S** » 30 Sep 2011 04:36

Ahmedabad Mirror reporters again carry out sting operation at Garba venues in Ahmedabad.

Enter at your own Risk

Unsurprisingly, private security guards are seen joking, flirting, smoking and what not. I don't know what it really takes to open a private security company as any tom, dick, harry can open it in a day. From the looks it seems no proper training, education is involved.

My take is private security guards deployed at ATM's, banks are better (vigil and helpful) then these one-night stand so called security guards. I could be wrong.

Vipul · Post by **Vipul** » 02 Oct 2011 02:43

Where China and India merge.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 03 Oct 2011 06:41

Curfew in Rudrapur after communal tension
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
Dehradun, October 02, 2011

Two men died and more than 25 people - including six policemen -- were injured after communal tension surfaced in Uttarakhand's Rudrapur on Sunday.

Curfew has been declared in the city, which is around 280 km from Dehradun.

Three companies of Rapid Action Force (RAF) have been deployed to help the police maintain law and order. In the evening, one company of RAF and the police held a flag march in the area.

"We have deployed additional forces from neighbouring districts," said Amit Sinha, DIG, Kumaon range.

The tension began on early in the morning, when a man spotted a torn religious book outside his house in Bhadiapura area of Rudrapur.

Soon, a mob marched towards the police station.

They thrashed sub divisional magistrate VS Budiyal and the few policemen who tried to pacify them. The police had to open fire to control the crowd. Later, the mob clashed with some members of the majority community.

More than 40 shops, four buses and one police vehicle were set ablaze. The injured have been admitted in the hospitals of Rudrapur and Haldwani, said a police officer.

"The situation is tense, but under control," said BVVR Purshottam, district magistrate, Udhamsingh Nagar.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Curfew-im ... 52858.aspx

But remember Islam is all about "peace".

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 03 Oct 2011 10:45

Surasena wrote:
Curfew in Rudrapur after communal tension
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
Dehradun, October 02, 2011

Two men died and more than 25 people - including six policemen -- were injured after communal tension surfaced in Uttarakhand's Rudrapur on Sunday.

Curfew has been declared in the city, which is around 280 km from Dehradun.

Three companies of Rapid Action Force (RAF) have been deployed to help the police maintain law and order. In the evening, one company of RAF and the police held a flag march in the area.

"We have deployed additional forces from neighbouring districts," said Amit Sinha, DIG, Kumaon range.

The tension began on early in the morning, when a man spotted a torn religious book outside his house in Bhadiapura area of Rudrapur.

Soon, a mob marched towards the police station.

They thrashed sub divisional magistrate VS Budiyal and the few policemen who tried to pacify them. The police had to open fire to control the crowd. Later, the mob clashed with some members of the majority community.

More than 40 shops, four buses and one police vehicle were set ablaze. The injured have been admitted in the hospitals of Rudrapur and Haldwani, said a police officer.

"The situation is tense, but under control," said BVVR Purshottam, district magistrate, Udhamsingh Nagar.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Curfew-im ... 52858.aspx
But remember Islam is all about "peace".

Just Imagine if the Communal Violence Bill was in force what would have happened to the Policemen and Hindu Shopkeepers. The would have acted against the Group as defined under the act, the Divisional magistrate and local policeman would have been suspended or the Police would have been too scared to quell the crowd, anarchy would have prevailed.

If that Bill is passed except to see to see this increase by about 1000 times as such polorisation will help certain vested Interests.

For internal security of this nation the NAC and its trash need to be disbanded.

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 07 Oct 2011 06:42

Elections in UP is near. Should be 2G parivars dirty tricks dept at work.

There is no history of communal tension, it’s for the first time that the Hindus and Muslims who have been living together in this town in Uttarakhand’s Udham Singh Nagar district has ever clashed. It happened because someone planned to create a riot.

According to police sources, the first attempt to breach peace was made on the night of September 28. “Those who came to the Shani temple to offer puja on the morning of September 29 saw a Quran wrapped in a red-coloured cloth.

The book was kept under the tree next to the idol. It was assumed that the cloth had been dipped in blood,” said Rajesh Kumar, a resident of the Badhaipura locality in Rudrapur, where the temple is situated.

When it came to trying to incite, the attempt was a masterstroke-the brains behind it had offended both the Hindus as well as the Muslims.

“The Mohammedans were angry, but we reasoned that we were angry too. Those behind the act had, after all, desecrated a Hindu temple,” said Kumar. After police intervened and promised to investigate the matter, both communities let the matter rest.

While the first attempt to incite violence failed, the second one did not. “On the morning of October 2, someone passing next to the temple found a green-coloured polythene bag that contained bits of paper in the premises.

There was Arabic lettering on the paper, and it was mixed with some kind of meat,” said Kumar. Police sources confirmed it and said that they were yet to ascertain what kind of meat it was.

A crowd of about 150 Muslims approached the Kotwali at around 6.30 in the morning, complaining about the incident. They were dispersed, but soon, a larger crowd of around 800 returned. The mob soon grew out of control, and began attacking police and vehicles.

link

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 07 Oct 2011 08:08

Gaurav_S wrote:Ahmedabad Mirror reporters again carry out sting operation at Garba venues in Ahmedabad.

Enter at your own Risk

Unsurprisingly, private security guards are seen joking, flirting, smoking and what not. I don't know what it really takes to open a private security company as any tom, dick, harry can open it in a day. From the looks it seems no proper training, education is involved.

My take is private security guards deployed at ATM's, banks are better (vigil and helpful) then these one-night stand so called security guards. I could be wrong.

Toilet at it again.

These were privately organized and NOT state sponsored navratri parties, why the heck should the state police take responsibility for lack of security at any tom, dick, or harry's garba venue?

Gauravji, if such a comparison gives you any comfort, during my phata kurta abdul days I have done such security details in Massaland at no less a location than a International Airport. Believe me the training I got was a phucking joke, and this was post Nau/gyaraa.

I don't understand what pleasure one gets in deriding one's own? for obviously such stunts serve more than one purpose of selling more copies.

How valid would it be if, tomorrowdin some Jaichand would implicate the local thanadar if some Prithviraj steals his Samyukta from under his own nose from the marriage hall.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Oct 2011 21:02

2002 riot case: Court issues summons to 2 British envoys

Mr. Imran was badly injured in the incident, but he was saved by a patrolling police vehicle. He later lodged an FIR.

Hmm, NDTV COngress Types who like to paint a picture that each and every case was directly ordered by Modi through the Gujarat Police should ask them the question, where are those 1000's of feotuses which were alleged to be cut open?

The one of main forces behind the Congress revival has been Godhra burning strategically timed just after the UP elections and while operation Parakram was going on.

My worry is there be anther Kadamal type incident enginered to revive sagging fortunes.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 07 Oct 2011 21:49

Aditya_V wrote: My worry is there be anther Kadamal type incident enginered to revive sagging fortunes.

Apparantly the gora log ran away for their dear life after the doing in Odisha recently, apparently Navin Patnaik has outdone RSS on the ground after **supposedly visible** differences with RSS.

Dont know for sure, some buzz I picked up through folks in Odisha.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 08 Oct 2011 03:34

Sanku wrote:
Apparantly the gora log ran away for their dear life after the doing in Odisha recently, apparently Navin Patnaik has outdone RSS on the ground after **supposedly visible** differences with RSS.
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Which doing in Odisha?