Two-G (2G) Spectrum Scam Tapes and follow-up

kenop · Post by **kenop** » 24 Sep 2011 16:45

Atri wrote: One most important factor which has to keep in mind is the letter which retd General V P Malik sent to Ramdev baba's fast. As per Vishwabandhu Gupta, IB got hold of this letter after it reached baba and that made sarkaar panic and order the midnight onslaught..

A video interview with Vishwabandhu Gupta on this was linked in a posting on BRF. It is no longer there on youtube. Any other references available to this matter?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Sep 2011 16:51

A video interview with Vishwabandhu Gupta on this was linked in a posting on BRF. It is no longer there on youtube. Any other references available to this matter?

Implausible... VPM would surely have known that IB would make an interception... I seriously doubt that anyone in the UPA would be afraid of a coup de etat ...
They acted out of malice and attempted to show who is the boss...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 16:52

2G muddle: Chidambaram should be in jail says BJP

habal · Post by **habal** » 24 Sep 2011 18:23

kenop wrote:
Atri wrote: One most important factor which has to keep in mind is the letter which retd General V P Malik sent to Ramdev baba's fast. As per Vishwabandhu Gupta, IB got hold of this letter after it reached baba and that made sarkaar panic and order the midnight onslaught..
A video interview with Vishwabandhu Gupta on this was linked in a posting on BRF. It is no longer there on youtube. Any other references available to this matter?

similar kind of reasoning was given as justification for initiating operation bluestar by Kangress.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Sep 2011 18:57

"All roads lead to Rome"...goes the famous saying.So also with the avalanche of scams hat has beseiged the UPA.Do not they also have a "Roman" connection? If one does merely a cursory examonation of all the scandals,the finger points dirctly back to the PMO.Dr."Sinking" Singh cannot pass the buck.It stops clearly with him n matter even if he is taking direction from the party chairperson.He is the head of the govt.,answerable to Parliament and the people.Whether it was the CWG,Telecom scam,whatever,the trail goes back to him.In every controversy,he has been forewarned by his cabinet colleagues.He cannot pass the buck endlessly or behave the three proverbial monkeys,a cartoon depciting him as them appeared in a weekly recently! If the Brish PM could appear before the Iraq investigation,so too should our "honest" PM also appear before the SC and the CBI.Raja,PC,Kalmadi et al are merely his henchmen and hatchetmen.he had every opportunity to dispense with them but actually dispensed with those who forewarned him like Mani Aiyar and Sunil Dutt.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 19:54

Philip,

Just a minor correction, MMS is not answerable to the parliament. He should submit his resignation and die with his dignity intact. The more he tries to put off the inevitable the more he will be demonized.

The second correction is that Sunil Dutt has been dead for a long time and his council was not available to MMS.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Sep 2011 19:56

http://twitter.com/#!/BhrashtaDutt

Interesting twitter profile....

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 24 Sep 2011 19:58

Another one..

http://twitter.com/#!/Chidumbaram

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 19:59

^^^

Indeed

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 20:09

And for some serious newj.

Digvijay backs Chidambaram facing allegations in 2G scam

Quoting from the newj report.

"Sangh (RSS) has made him a target since Chidambaram has sped up investigations in the terror cases involving people from RSS," Singh told reporters.

Condemning former finance minister and senior BJP leader Yashwant Sinha's statement that the home minister deserves to be in the same cell at Tihar where Raja is lodged, the AICC general secretary said, "Chidambaram is a man of integrity, a man of competence and there is no question of any charges against him."

Translation;- PC is guilty as charged.

Seeking to turn the table on BJP on the 2G issue, he said, "If there have been losses over 2G, this should also not be forgotten that, the NDA government had changed the policy of allotment of telecom circles through competitive tendering introduced by Narsimha Rao led Congress government."

"They had changed the policy for the same licence holders and introduced the provisions of license fee and revenue sharing. Did no loss occur due to this? The CAG has also reported on that decision and quantified the loss by change of policy. Should they also not go to Tihar jail by the same logic," he said.

Singh said the opposition party should, "Look in its own backyard first before levelling allegations against others... Particularly when it is against an able and competent minister like Chidambaram."

Translation;- Graham Bell is guilty of inventing the telephone, you dummies.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 24 Sep 2011 20:20

It seems that I have been take over by the Ghost of Energizer Bunny

Finance ministry's note on 2G a routine communication: Cong

kshatriya · Post by **kshatriya** » 24 Sep 2011 20:49

gakakkad wrote:http://twitter.com/#!/BhrashtaDutt

Interesting twitter profile....

Used to be "Ba-kra Dutt" Till Ba-kra Dutt had the account suspended on Twitter. The account is now relaunched as this one

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Sep 2011 20:59

A note from FM to PM comes first and Chidu is cornered. PM and SG asks INC to cover Chidu and rally around him. Now Maran releases his not to PM which may indict MMS. Now who is going to cover MMS?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 24 Sep 2011 21:06

^ no one.

Like we discussed earlier one by one the chess pieces will be sacrificed to save the king/queen. The game is to checkmate the king/queen. It doesn't matter how many pieces are left on the table once the king is checkmated.

However the current game is to destroy as many corrupt pieces as possible before the final attack for checkmate. I see a pattern to this. The Indic mission is on the right path. BR is like one of the rooks. AH is a horse. Diggi raja is a horse in the opponent group. PM is their minister, he can be taken out only in a exchange with Indic minister (who could that be, Gali-sister?)

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 24 Sep 2011 21:30

gakakkad wrote:

A video interview with Vishwabandhu Gupta on this was linked in a posting on BRF. It is no longer there on youtube. Any other references available to this matter?

Implausible... VPM would surely have known that IB would make an interception... I seriously doubt that anyone in the UPA would be afraid of a coup de etat ...
They acted out of malice and attempted to show who is the boss...

perhaps VPM wanted the IB to intercept the chiththi...

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 24 Sep 2011 22:50

habal wrote:
Atri wrote: One most important factor which has to keep in mind is the letter which retd General V P Malik sent to Ramdev baba's fast. As per Vishwabandhu Gupta, IB got hold of this letter after it reached baba and that made sarkaar panic and order the midnight onslaught..
...

similar kind of reasoning was given as justification for initiating operation bluestar by Kangress.

Bluestar was against terrorists with guns and bombs holed up in the temple. Please dont compare the two.

habal · Post by **habal** » 25 Sep 2011 08:59

bluestar was against a community. It was Indira's idea to teach sikhs a lesson. If it was simply an operation against terrorists, it could have been conducted with lot more finetuning. The congrez ruler mindset and associated brutality & duplicity escapes many onlookers. Mindset behind the operation was same as that against BR, only difference is that Khalistanis had weapons. But similarities are there in that Kangrez waited for BR to signal end of fast and for sikhs to celebrate Guru Arjan Dev's martyrdom to launch their attacks. This is the product of the perverse mindset of leadership to show how much they are in control and to reinforce their right to brutality over the citizens.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 25 Sep 2011 09:52

^^ The Khalistanis did not just have weapons, they had killed a lot of innocents and waged a war against the nation. Don't let your congress antipathy blind you to that.
It is even more ridiculous to compare BR and Khalistanis because you are against Congress' behaviour. There is no comparison between the two events.

The action against BR was wrong I agree.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Sep 2011 09:54

khalistani's were even backed by the ISI ....

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Sep 2011 12:40

Evidence shows Manmohan Singh fails to avoid 2G scam

If there was further proof of Singh’s indecisiveness, it came, ironically, from the then finance minister P Chidambaram, who did not do much to prevent the scandal, as has been revealed by the recent finance ministry note. But back then, on January 15, 2008, a detailed four-page note to the prime minister on “spectrum charges” made a powerful argument for an auction. “Spectrum is a scarce resource,” Chidambaram wrote, and “the price of spectrum should be based on its scarcity value.”

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Sep 2011 13:16

Read the spice here

http://www.politicsparty.com/spectrum_scam.php

Though it looks like spice some things are right. Chidu is US's preferred man after MMS. Montek is the most preffred but not practical though. Even Wiki leaks has such info and US's hatered for pranab Da and even Antony are no secrets. This fall of Chidu is not to the liking of the Rockfellar

association, this is definitely a big step by the C-system against US interests IMHO.

Inder Sharma · Post by **Inder Sharma** » 25 Sep 2011 15:13

gakakkad wrote:khalistani's were even backed by the ISI ....

Even the 'family party' backed and financed them.

It mustn’t be forgotten that the ‘family’s’ antipathy towards the sikh community due to their zealous protestation against the emergency was neither forgotten; nor forgiven. Though we digress.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Sep 2011 16:29

Even the 'family party' backed and financed them.

It mustn’t be forgotten that the ‘family’s’ antipathy towards the sikh community due to their zealous protestation against the emergency was neither forgotten; nor forgiven. Though we digress.

Agreed... Both LTTE and khalistan were congress perfidy gone wild... IG was killed by her own creation...

what kid of mom would look for keys when her son died in the plane crash... that says it all..

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 25 Sep 2011 16:33

gakakkad wrote:

Even the 'family party' backed and financed them.

It mustn’t be forgotten that the ‘family’s’ antipathy towards the sikh community due to their zealous protestation against the emergency was neither forgotten; nor forgiven. Though we digress.

OT here

Agreed... Both LTTE and khalistan were congress perfidy gone wild... IG was killed by her own creation...

what kid of mom would look for keys when her son died in the plane crash... that says it all..

Exactly. If tomorrow RG stumbles on a Gujarati/Assamese/Kashmiri/Malayalam newspaper and breaks his nose, a few gujjubhais/Assamese/Pandits/Mallus will be roughed up in Delhi by congress supporters and in Congress ruled or some other states with violent history. What a bunch of retards these sold outs.

Bharatiyas must support each other whatever happens.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Sep 2011 18:07

Pranab, Singh meeting seeks to resolve 2G mess

Press Trust Of India
New York, September 25, 2011

Finance minister Pranab Mukherjee has arrived New York for a meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the 2G spectrum issue in the wake of a finance ministry note involving P Chidambaram.

Mukherjee arrived from Washington rescheduling his travel plans ahead of his return home Monday evening.

He refused to talk to journalists as Secret Service personnel herded him to his room in the hotel where the Indian delegation accompanying the Prime Minister is also staying.

A senior MEA official had to make way for Mukherjee's accommodation in a suite in view of pressure on hotels due to the ongoing General Assembly session of the United Nations for which several delegations from various countries are currently in the city.

Sources said that the meeting has been sought by Mukherjee.

The Prime Minister had on Saturday rejected the Opposition demand for the resignation of home minister Chidambaram over the 2G issue and made it clear he would defend all his Cabinet colleagues.

Ahead of his meeting with Mukherjee, Singh had also said there was nothing "unusual" in the demand of the Opposition and asserted there was no question of him getting bothered about it.

He was replying to questions by reporters on the strident demand of the Opposition for Chidambaram's resignation in the light of the Finance Ministry's 2G note to the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) submitted to the Supreme Court last week.

Why are they discussing such a sensitive affair in NY which will obviously be under the watchful gaze of US intelligence? Sonia receiving "medical treatment" in the US is also beginning to sound more suspicious.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Pranab-Si ... 49893.aspx

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Sep 2011 19:05

MMS is doing the right thing in getting to bottom of things with Pranab.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Sep 2011 19:10

^^^

But doing it in Khan land, where they will not be able to preserve confidentiality of discussion.

IMO, the whole corrupt edifice will have to be torn down if the INC is to salvage any credibility from this mess. But will the INC think tank be able to do this. Even today they are (Diggi Raja) trying to deflect attention to RSS and Bajrag Dal rather then solve the problem.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Sep 2011 19:30

ramana wrote:MMS is doing the right thing in getting to bottom of things with Pranab.

That means it is fix-Chidu ops.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 25 Sep 2011 20:11

Inder Sharma wrote:
Even the 'family party' backed and financed them.

It mustn’t be forgotten that the ‘family’s’ antipathy towards the sikh community due to their zealous protestation against the emergency was neither forgotten; nor forgiven. Though we digress.

again..the canard of antipathy towards sikh community. If you mean the Akali party I could agree. Indira and others did boost Bhindrawale initially and it backfired. Have you looked at Congress office-bearers through that time and now?

last post on this.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Sep 2011 04:19

Muppalla wrote:
ramana wrote:MMS is doing the right thing in getting to bottom of things with Pranab.
That means it is fix-Chidu ops.

The real problem is INC is collapsing and there are no replacement in horizon. So its like UF days.

Chidu is not an issue. Both PC and PM are damaged goods now. How can either replace MMS?

RG has reverse Midas touch. Gold turns to dust.

Its the INC that has to spend sleepless nights.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 26 Sep 2011 07:17

Look at this interview by Headline News. Pranab's body language and facial expressions make it very clear about his feelings for Chidu.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/2g-s ... 52632.html

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 26 Sep 2011 07:49

What is Maino council doing about all this chaos?

skumar · Post by **skumar** » 26 Sep 2011 08:24

ramana wrote:MMS is doing the right thing in getting to bottom of things with Pranab.

After everything that has happened, to even attribute a modicum of honesty to MMS is a farce. He is morally dishonest and has sold out his office willingly as part of the deal before assuming office. This was the veneer to hide all the rot underneath. He is probably following orders from the High Command. May be our cabinet appointments need to be approved by the US now after SG visit.

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Sep 2011 09:23

ramana wrote:MMS is doing the right thing in getting to bottom of things with Pranab.

In US under the gaze of US intel?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Sep 2011 10:00

ramana wrote: The real problem is INC is collapsing and there are no replacement in horizon. So its like UF days.

Chidu is not an issue. Both PC and PM are damaged goods now. How can either replace MMS?

RG has reverse Midas touch. Gold turns to dust.

Its the INC that has to spend sleepless nights.

UPA can still restrict the damage by elevating Antony or Pranab Da to the position of PM. They are at least no babu by training and thought process as MMS is and like MMS are obedient to Family.
But unfortunately removing MMS would mean acceptance of all the allegations at this moment. Timing is everything in life and 'Family' should have put RG in the seat after 2009 elections. Now it is going to be harder by everyday. This "Kid" is not even going to get even his customary honeymoon period.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 26 Sep 2011 10:57

Plus now would be a good time for the UPA to make Nitish Kumar an offer he can't refuse. But neither Nitish, nor Pranab nor Antony can make it because they wouldn't stand for the blatant corruption seen now. I'd say that the best bet right now is Rahul Gandhi, since he is damaged goods anyway.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 26 Sep 2011 11:47

VikasRaina wrote: UPA can still restrict the damage by elevating Antony or Pranab Da to the position of PM. They are at least is no babu by training and thought process as MMS is and like MMS are obedient to Family.
But unfortunately removing MMS would mean acceptance of all the allegations at this moment. Timing is everything in life and 'Family' should have put RG in the seat after 2009 elections. Now it is going to be harder by everyday. This "Kid" is not even going to get even his customary honeymoon period.

This is where BJP pre-empted such a chance in 2009 and declared LKA as PM candidate forcing the Congress party to declare MMS as PM candidate. This disappointed several INC folks. Had they declared RG as PM candidate, the campaign points would have been different and the Sikh vote of Delhi would have gone differently.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Sep 2011 12:45

Muppalla wrote:
VikasRaina wrote: UPA can still restrict the damage by elevating Antony or Pranab Da to the position of PM. They are at least is no babu by training and thought process as MMS is and like MMS are obedient to Family.
But unfortunately removing MMS would mean acceptance of all the allegations at this moment. Timing is everything in life and 'Family' should have put RG in the seat after 2009 elections. Now it is going to be harder by everyday. This "Kid" is not even going to get even his customary honeymoon period.
This is where BJP pre-empted such a chance in 2009 and declared LKA as PM candidate forcing the Congress party to declare MMS as PM candidate. This disappointed several INC folks. Had they declared RG as PM candidate, the campaign points would have been different and the Sikh vote of Delhi would have gone differently.

Muppalla ji, Congress could have made MMS listen to his inner voice just like SG did

after 2004 elections and elevated RG. Only God knows what was there strategy. Fresh leader, decently good mandate, India performing reasonably well, what more they could ask for to put RG in power.
3 national elections in a row a big ask in today's fractured polity even if the opposition is not worth anything. This govt now is a classic lame duck govt waiting to collapse if lucky or be wiped out in 2014. They are waiting for a new scam to come out for people to forget the previous one.
We still are waiting scams from Agriculture ministry and CA ministry to tumble out.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 26 Sep 2011 12:53

Yes.. I am worried and wondering about how agri ministry and minister have managed to stay away from focus and slug-fest? has the deccan satrap declared that he is no longer interested in Naarthern politiks as long as he is left alone in Deccan..

On the other hand, it seems Unkil is today's Parvateshwava..

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Sep 2011 13:35

CBI got Rs 31,000 cr 2G loss from Subbarao; RBI chief may be key witness - Firstpost

The government’s zero-loss argument in the 2G spectrum scam, which is fast becoming the central line of defence for everyone from A Raja to the PM and to the current and former finance ministers, is not going to be easy to defend.

Reason: The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), which has put the loss from selling 2G spectrum at 2001 prices in 2008 at close to Rs 31,000 crore, did not pull this number out of thin air. It got this number from former Finance Secretary and present Reserve Bank Governor Duvvuri Subbarao.

In his six-page submission, which is listed as a ‘relied-upon document’ with the serial number 106, Subbarao has applied a methodology and calculated the loss through selling 2G spectrum at 2001 prices to be in the vicinity of Rs 31,000 crore. Subbarao’s submission is a legal document now and has been submitted to the Supreme Court along with the CBI charge-sheet.

The CBI has also listed Subbarao as a witness along with his six-page submission. This means the RBI governor may have to appear in court during the trial to discuss how he arrived at the Rs 31,000 crore figure. If the court is convinced about his argument, it will be tough for the government to claim that the 2G spectrum scam wasn’t a case of zero revenue loss, as claimed by Communications Minister Kapil Sibal and recently by the Telecom Regulatory Authority of India (Trai).