The Jan Lokpal Bill, Anna Hazare, and Baba Ramdev II

sum · Post by **sum** » 26 Sep 2011 11:23

Rajbala, injured in Ramlila Maidan lathicharge, dies

New Delhi: Rajbala, the woman who was critically injured during a lathicharge at Baba Ramdev's camp at Delhi's Ramlila Ground in June this year, has died at GB Pant hospital.

The condition of the 51-year-old Gurgaon resident, who had suffered spine injuries, had been critical since then.

On June 5 at around 1 am, close to 600 policemen arrived at Ramlila Maidan and asked the 60,000 people who had gathered there in support of the yoga icon's fast against corruption to disperse. At 2 am, teargas shells were launched upon them, allegedly in an attempt to force the crowds to leave the grounds. Several people were injured during the lathicharge.

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/rajba ... -136239&cp

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 26 Sep 2011 12:50

teargas shells were launched upon them, allegedly in an attempt to force the crowds to leave the grounds

What was allegedly here ? The police and HM wanted to teach lesson to BR and ordinary Indians by acting like colonial rulers. Someone should sue Delhi police for the inhuman action and killing of a innocent citizen. All to make crowd leave the ground. I mean how hard is it to make innocent,mostly middle aged men and women and kids to get off the Ramlila maidan.

I wonder why policemen turn into animals whenever such incidents happen.

sanjeevpunj · Post by **sanjeevpunj** » 26 Sep 2011 12:58

^^^The person who ordered such an action,the department that ordered such an action,its head,all should be questioned.This is not a pre-independence colonial scenario.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 26 Sep 2011 14:37

^^^This was as shameful as Jallianwallah bagh because we are talking about our own government here.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 26 Sep 2011 16:46

maut ka saudagar Con-gress organised this progrom against Hindu's fighting against corruption....

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 26 Sep 2011 16:58

This is MMS style governance.

Beat peaceful protesters to death while laying out red carpets for terrorists.

I am sure there are some who are ready to explain this as a "chanakian" strategy of some sort.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Sep 2011 16:58

Her family must sue the government of India and the individuals responsible for the ordering the police into the Ramlila ground. The lathi charge and the use of teargas shells was unconscionable in the middle of the night.

The GOI and its organs could have waited for the sunrise and then asked the public to disburse. Going in the middle of the night shows the desperation and arrogance on the part of the GOI. They must be punished on account of that.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Sep 2011 17:23

Pratyush wrote:Her family must sue the government of India and the individuals responsible for the ordering the police into the Ramlila ground. The lathi charge and the use of teargas shells was unconscionable in the middle of the night.

The GOI and its organs could have waited for the sunrise and then asked the public to disburse. Going in the middle of the night shows the desperation and arrogance on the part of the GOI. They must be punished on account of that.

The Govt in Center is UPA, Govt in Delhi is Congress. It is these who are to be blamed for ravanalila at Ramlila ground.

If 2G can take credit for everything, then 2g must be blamed for lathicharge at midnight on Satyagrahis. This is no congress made of Satyagrahis at independence, this is congress(Nehru, Indira, Rajiv, Sonia & Rahul).

This anti-Satyagrahi lathicharge is one of the strangest thing to happen in India.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 26 Sep 2011 19:20

I am not sure if this belongs here or not but will post it here.

The case against PM and Chidu is same as case against Modi

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Sep 2011 20:04

ICA, a Silicon Valley NGO, to give Anna Hazare its annual award in October. It had previously awarded Kiran Bedi etc. Most likely P. Bhushan will be at hand to accept the award as AH is busy to travel.

Some of you might know the people behind ICA.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 26 Sep 2011 20:08

^^^ sure do ramana sir ji

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 26 Sep 2011 20:24

Not sure if this is the correct thread.

About RTI procedures slowed down unintentionally RTI dying in Mumbai.

From Activists to mull over Right to Information Act

“The government itself is not serious about the implementation of the act. In particular, 30% of the office staff is missing from the offices ...

From Maharashtra Information Commission received 5.48 lakh petitions in 2010: Report

Stating that 27% of total posts in the State Information Commission are lying vacant, the report says that the SIC did not receive fixed annual grants allocated to it.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 26 Sep 2011 20:46

amdavadi wrote:^^^ sure do ramana sir ji

nope sir

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Sep 2011 01:03

रात भर में कई ऐसे दस्तावेज सामने आए जिससे कैश ट्रांजेक्शन कांग्रेस के एक महासचिव,इंदौर के पूर्व आरटीओ,एक वरिष्ठ पत्रकार और एक पूर्व आईएएस को होना सामने आया।

http://www.bhaskar.com/article/c-8-5242 ... ml?C3-IND=

Diggy Raja?

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 27 Sep 2011 02:14

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 133153.cms

The Asian Development Bank ( ADB) and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) have invited Team Anna Hazare to participate in a two-day deliberation on tackling corruption.

MoS in the PMO V Naraynasamy said the ADB-OECD meet on anti-corruption will be held here on September 28 and 29. Participants from 28 countries, including representatives from investigative agencies - both domestic and from the Asia-Pacific region - will attend the conference that seeks to build multi-disciplinary frameworks to combat corruption.

Naraynasamy said though the government is organizing the meet, Anna's India against Corruption has been invited by the OECD. Yoga guru Baba Ramdev, who has been vocal against graft and black money, does not figure in the list of invitees that include some other civil society groups.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 27 Sep 2011 02:49

How is BR's Yatra going? Any news? The SCUM media has zero coverage.

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Sep 2011 09:49

vijayk wrote:How is BR's Yatra going? Any news? The SCUM media has zero coverage.

watch "Free To Air" Hindi NEWS channels or "Astha"

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 11:03

vishvak wrote:Not sure if this is the correct thread.

About RTI procedures slowed down unintentionally RTI dying in Mumbai.

From Activists to mull over Right to Information Act
“The government itself is not serious about the implementation of the act. In particular, 30% of the office staff is missing from the offices ...
From Maharashtra Information Commission received 5.48 lakh petitions in 2010: Report
Stating that 27% of total posts in the State Information Commission are lying vacant, the report says that the SIC did not receive fixed annual grants allocated to it.

This is one state which the Media steadfastly does not talk about the lack of Goverence, since if it is lost along with AP, its curtains for INC.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 11:15

^^ If it was any other state and the Pune police firings were shown as they were, that CM would have been toast by now and if it would have happened in a non-INC state, the media would have already branded that CM as a war criminal!

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 27 Sep 2011 11:40

Maharashtra is a mess, one needs to travel in different directions out of Pune, and they will feel as if they are going to different states (in terms of basic amenities and development).
-If one goes West from Pune, there is the shiny Expressway, tall apartment block, expensive cars in the parking lots, etc.
-If one goes East (ex. towards Solapur), within an hours drive the region turns dry, under developed, etc.
-If one goes South (ex. Konkan), there is improvement than before due to railway, roads, etc. If doing South further inland (ex. Satara, Baramti, Sangli, Kolhapur, etc), the Krishna basin is green and relatively well to do.
-If one goes North, again the same apathy .

Development in Maharashtra is inversely proportional to the distance from Mumbai. Please note I am not advocating division of state, but as a native of Gujarat with strong roots in Maharashtra I have traveled there frequently as an "Outsider" to be able to see these disparities. For the past 30 years nothing has changed (except some positive changes in Konkan area, in terms of connecitivity). South-East Maha never occupies mindshare, Nagpur due to its cultural roots (ex. Bhonsle's, has better traction than South-East).

All states have such disparities (even Gujarat has them, although it is improving quite fast since the last decades). Although I do not have intimate knowledge about other states.

The current govt. in Maha is more interested in priming sections of votebanks rather than ensure universal growth. These interests are so entrenched that even a N-bum attack (God forbid) will not move these. So there is a reason for this apathy by the govt. i.e. they feel secure in their votebank.

Electoral reform is the pill which can make govt. accountable to ALL citizens not only its votebank.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Sep 2011 12:10

Non-bailable charge slapped on Raja, others - http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 487816.ece

The CBI on Monday dealt a fresh blow to the 17 accused in the 2G spectrum scam, slapping on them an additional charge of criminal breach of trust — a non-bailable offence punishable with life imprisonment or imprisonment for a term which can extend up to 10 years.

"Criminal breach of trust" is a charge that can be applied to all corrupt govt functionaries. Interesting that provisions for life imprisonment for corruption already seem to exist.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 27 Sep 2011 12:33

Had the tragic death of Rajibala happened in the UK,the HM or Delhi CM would've been forced to resign! It would've been kaput for their political careers.In India under the dispensation of Sonia-Singh,such "collateral damage" is par for the course! The western natioins might bomb the natives into smithereens,using any old excuse to justify their savagery,but in India,our rulers haven't an iota of feeling for an innocent whose death has been due to "police action".We are being treated daily to video clips of police brutality and nary a squeak has emanated from the rulers of the states where these have happened.

Shed a tear for Rajibala.She is sadly a mere footnote in the media today which is gripped with the tamasha unfolding within the Congress led govt. and the histrionics,contortions and acrobatics that desperate Congress and UPA leaders are indulging in,to save themselves from the "Flood" that threatens to engulf them.

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 13:07

Had the tragic death of Rajibala happened in the UK,the HM or Delhi CM would've been forced to resign!

Forget UK, think of the reaction had it happened in the land of fascists, ruled by neo-hitler, on our western border with Pak...

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 27 Sep 2011 13:30

RTO Thugs: Why the lower bureaucray feels it can kill for bribes
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rto-t ... 93502.html

Anna Hazare movement alone is not enough, we need more grassroots movement to change the system. You go to every RTO office, then you will know from numbers registration to all the way to get all documents related to Car bribing is the system out them.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 14:15

joshvajohn wrote:RTO Thugs: Why the lower bureaucray feels it can kill for bribes
http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rto-t ... 93502.html

Anna Hazare movement alone is not enough, we need more grassroots movement to change the system. You go to every RTO office, then you will know from numbers registration to all the way to get all documents related to Car bribing is the system out them.

Top to bottom change, if the Tone at the Top is corrupt, only corrupt get recruited in bureaucrcy. no point trying to get after all the small fish when the big fish are happy. The kingpins must be made to answer.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 27 Sep 2011 17:38

Cash-for-vote scam: Sudheendra Kulkarni's bail plea rejected, sent to judicial custody till October 1

Rather than arresting the MP who cross voted and question them they want to Jail those who exposed them- Wah by Wah.

And offcourse remember the JMM case recently where the former MP have stated they have received money as Personal donations(on behalf of party).

If things are so bad even after media control what would be the state if the Media was neutral and really did their job.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 27 Sep 2011 18:48

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?278420

Approached by dalals of the beleaguered Manmohan regime and the Sonia Gandhi-led Congress at the fag end of the previous Lok Sabha term, when the UPA-I government was facing a trust motion on the nuclear deal, the three MPs promptly informed the BJP high command. They had the option of accepting crores in silence, but did not. Instead, as advised, they decided to expose the sordid drama through a sting operation, with the help of a TV channel. The TV channel let them down and they were left with no option but to bring the cash to the Lok Sabha, display it, and expose the sleazy game in front of the entire country. In any other civilised society, such men would have been hailed as heroes and honoured while those who tried to bribe them would have got their just deserts.

It is just the reverse here. The arrest of Amar Singh in the case is part of a cover-up operation. He was but a mercenary, doing a dirty job at the bidding of those who were the ultimate beneficiaries of this murky enterprise. Obviously, the cash did not belong to him. The investigating agency, the Delhi police, has neither tried to trace the origin of the cash nor brought to book the faceless persons who had written the script and directed this squalid drama. The theatre of the absurd is complete. The Delhi police has spared the faceless crooks and put the fearless crusaders behind bars. The message is clear: Say ‘no’ to temptation offered by the Congress and, to be sure, you’ll be damned.

The shameful event and its aftermath is full of ironies. The rulers, swearing by the sanctity and supremacy of Parliament while dealing with Anna’s team, have subverted that very institution. And Anna’s team, which had received nationwide support in its fight against corruption and the corrupt, has been indifferent to this issue, staring at us in the here and now. Why is that? Because the three heroes of this ignoble saga belong to the much-abused and demonised tribe of politicians. They resisted and exposed graft and are paying for it. So shouldn’t ‘civil society’ have rushed to help them?

So where does the battle against graft and exposing and punishing the corrupt stand at this juncture? No doubt, the stature of Anna and his team has gone up several notches in the public mind. People at large have a sense of victory over the system. Public awareness on corruption and the need to fight it is high. Especially in the middle class. In real terms, however, despite Anna’s campaign, there’s little to show on the ground. The original goal of bringing back Indian monies stashed abroad seems to have been completely forgotten. While the focus is on corruption in generic terms, the most visibly corrupt faces continue to be safe in their positions of power. They continue to manipulate the system to save the guilty and target innocents. An unscrupulous and a ruthless establishment continues to persecute, slander and vilify those who dared to raise their voice against its venality and frauds.

In its second phase, Anna has decided to focus on the long-pending issue of electoral reforms and performance audit of MPs. These are not metaphysical and abstract issues. They have germinated in the given framework of Indian politics. Can there be any meaningful movement on such issues divorced from the given context? Will Phase 2 of the movement also end in a sense of victory but without any tangible achievements to its credit?

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 27 Sep 2011 19:25

BJP is a novice when it comes to politics... The Cash for vote scam should have been a swift , decisive victory but congress managed to fabricate facts and imprison BJP mp...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Sep 2011 20:30

Ms Beniwal, why do you want to be a Congress stooge?

It seems that the BRFs wish for a nationlist media house has come true with First post.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 27 Sep 2011 21:43

Re: cash for votes;
This must be a silly question because no one is asking it: Why isn't the court asking for evidence on Ahmad Patel's involvement after Ram Jethmalani's statement last week??

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 21:46

It seems that the BRFs wish for a nationlist media house has come true with First post.

^^ Not really....every shred of neutrality is thrown out of the window on firstpost when even the name Modi turns up near the website..

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Sep 2011 21:48

saadhak wrote:Re: cash for votes;
This must be a silly question because no one is asking it: Why isn't the court asking for evidence on Ahmad Patel's involvement after Ram Jethmalani's statement last week??

Errr, anything related to the ruling dynasty or their right hand men is strictly off limits to everyone ( esp the media)...Kindly report to Indian politics 101 class for a re-education on democrazy in Desh.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Sep 2011 21:57

saadhak wrote:Re: cash for votes;
This must be a silly question because no one is asking it: Why isn't the court asking for evidence on Ahmad Patel's involvement after Ram Jethmalani's statement last week??

'cause ahmed patel is the real PM of this country.Every major political decision is taken by him as of now.

saadhak · Post by **saadhak** » 27 Sep 2011 21:58

^^
I concur, but would have expected at least BJP to show some spine and take this up, given that Sudheendra Kulkarni is close to LK Advani.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 28 Sep 2011 13:44

^^^

This must be the only crime in the history of laws and courts. Where the beneficiaries of the crime have gone free. Without even a pretense of prosecution and censure.

We are truly a blessed country that allows travesty of this nature go on.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Sep 2011 14:05

saadhak wrote:^^
I concur, but would have expected at least BJP to show some spine and take this up, given that Sudheendra Kulkarni is close to LK Advani.

Ask and you shall receive

BJP escalates fight on cash for votes

http://www.timesnow.tv/videoshow/4385124.cms

"There cannot be a charge of entrapment against whistleblowers when there is a charge of bribe-giving against others," Leader of the Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley told reporters, referring to expelled SP leader Amar Singh, an accused in the case. Singh has been charged with providing the money to be paid to three BJP MPs in the cash-for-vote scam.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 30 Sep 2011 01:39

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 172964.cms

Anna Hazare joins the blogosphere...

Anti-corruption crusader Anna Hazare seems set to take the virtual world by storm. He on Thursday became a blogger and even joined social networking sites Facebook and Twitter.

The blog, with posts in English, Hindi and Marathi, is titled "Anna Hazare Says" and can be accessed on: https://annahazaresays.wordpress.com.

In his inaugural post, Hazare wrote: "It is after a long time that I am directly communicating with you. Henceforth, it is from this blog that I will be constantly in touch with you."

"We started a movement demanding that Jan Lokpal Bill be passed in India and slowly the crusade spearheaded into a full-fledged non-violent revolution spilling on to the Ramlila Maidan," he added.

Hazare accused "some government agents" of creating an image that it was due to their "favourite ministers" that he gave up his fast in Delhi's Ramlila Maidan in August.

"It was only when my inner voice permitted me I broke my fast after getting assurance from the government. The reason I am clearing the misconceptions here is I came to understand some government agents tried to propagate and create an image that it was the handiwork of their favourite ministers that I gave up my fast.

"I came across articles of self-praise, interviews published by them. This is a false propaganda," Hazare said in his blog. Giving some insight into what transpired before he called off his 12-day-old fast for a strong Lokpal, Hazare wrote that till the last moment, the government tried to break the movement.

As talks progressed regarding calling off his fast, he said the people, who came to meet his team members, the middle-man, the minister all of them had "different versions, different assurances.

"It was the responsibility of the government that they scrutinies the people they had sent for negotiations whether they were corrupt or had clean image. That was for the government to think. I held talks with them considering they were Government representatives! The answers lay with the government," he said.

After Harare called off the fast, questions have been raised, particularly in media interviews, over the participation of Union minister Vilasrao Deshmukh, who is facing allegations in Adarsh scam, and Bhayyuji Maharaj in mediation.

The activist said he found the support of the people and his young friends as overwhelming as they came forward from every corner of the country and their cries awakened India from its deep slumber.

"Their cries not only shook the very roots of our country but people from world over who had fallen prey to injustice, corruption took active part in the movement.

"The entire movement was infectious. This was the beginning of a revolution. It was the beginning of India's second struggle for independence," Hazare said.

The 74-year old leader pointed out that Parliament gave an assurance that it would put forward some of the demands from the Jan Lokpal Bill and get them approved.

"But assurance doesn't necessarily mean law. A bigger fight awaits us," Hazare urged.

The activist warned that the movement still "has a long way to go and very soon it will acquire a non-violent, but intense flavour of a nation-wide revolution".

"To enable a one-to-one conversation with you I will soon embark on my journey throughout India. I will address problems faced by people at every step of life... Interactive communication on this blog will start very soon. You can share your queries, problems thoughts and emotions with me," Hazare appealed.

He also wrote on his blog that he has joined Facebook and Twitter.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 30 Sep 2011 03:20

http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?736642

After Harare called off the fast, questions have been raised, particularly in media interviews, over the participation of Union minister Vilasrao Deshmukh, who is facing allegations in Adarsh scam, and Bhayyuji Maharaj in mediation.

"According to me, they could be ministers or people's representatives. They were not here to show their gratitude towards the movement. They were mere government's messengers carrying words to and fro on both sides. It was only when my inner voice permitted me I broke my fast after getting assurance from the government," Hazare said.

He said he was clearing misconceptions as he came to understand "some government agents" were trying to propagate and create an image that it was "the handiwork of their favourite ministers" that he gave up the fast.

"I came across articles of self-praise, interviews published by them. This is a false propaganda," he said.

"The people who claim that it is because of them that the movement could be curbed are the people who are against the Indian common man and enemy of this second freedom struggle. Such people in order to end the fight against corruption are resorting to corrupt methods, as is seen," Hazare said adding in his fight for truth, he had "never ever taken" decisions that went against his line of thought.

Noting that Parliament gave an assurance that they would put forward some of his demands from the Janlokpal Bill and get them approved, he said the assurance does not necessarily mean law.

He said his movement is not over yet just because he ended his fast on Ramlila grounds and urged his supporters to continue the nation-wide non-violent revolution.

"People belonging to various political parties are not aware of the boiling volcano in the minds of the common man against their corrupt ways and super-luxurious way of life. I believe, very soon they will come face-to-face with the reality and this will be done by the people and the youth of India," he said.

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 02 Oct 2011 21:53

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 207955.cms

Anti-corruption activist Anna Hazare has said he has no desire to hold any post as it would not be possible for him to continue with the work he is doing at present.

"I don't desire to be the President. Whatever work is being done by me today won't be possible if I hold that post," Hazare said in a TV interview.

"Several people tried to persuade me to become an MLA or an MP or minister but I am not interested in these posts either. Whatever I can do today, I won't be able to do so after becoming a minister," he said.

Meanwhile, Hazare reiterated his decision to begin a hunger-strike on the last day of the winter session of Maharashtra Legislature if the Congress-led state government failed to bring in a legislation for a strong and effective Lokayukta in the state.

Maintaining that he was influenced by the thoughts of Mahatma Gandhi and Swami Vivekanand, Hazare said he was carrying out his work based on ideologies of these two great persons.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 Oct 2011 22:00

the way Hazare is going, even the public will stop caring. Nirahara-Diksha is a potent weapon only as long as it is used with care and sparingly. when AH starts using it every couple of months, its value goes down and ultimately becomes worthless.

maybe it should happen. the "secular" India needs to exhaust such options before they wake up to the power of the forces that are keeping the nation shackled.