Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

sum · Post by **sum** » 07 Oct 2011 08:38

The overarching strategic lesson of the 2001-2002 crisis, wrote Brigadier Muhammad Zia, was clear: the West had come to the determination that “a nuclear (and Muslim) Pakistan has to be kept in control, lest it leads the Islamic world towards the formation of a new and powerful economic and military bloc in competition with or antagonistic to the western alliance.”

He then outlined Pakistan's strategic response. “India is highly volatile on its internal front due to numerous vulnerabilities which, if agitated, accordingly could yield results out of proportion to the efforts put in.” Pointing to Kashmir, the northeast and Punjab, he suggested these faultlines could be employed as an “offensive option against India.”

General Pervez Musharraf, military ruler, described the 2002 Green Book, the volume recording the deliberations of Brigadier Zia and his brother officers, as a “valuable document for posterity.”

Is this "green book" a public domain entity? How did P.Swami get access to it?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 07 Oct 2011 08:52

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/spor ... 260420.cms

pakis being pakis...but this is a new high

The journalist enquired if Butt could be trusted. The agent is said to have replied: "Salman is one million per cent trustworthy".

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Oct 2011 08:58

shiv wrote:
CRamS wrote:Where did he get his phony brit accent from?
That is a question that requires study on its own. That guy is probably in his 60s. That means his education was in the 1960s and 1970s at which time he was probably studying in Britain. He's probably from a wealthy family. If you had to pick up that kind of accent - you can't actually live in mango Britain. You have to have access to some particular British institutions, which of course means money. Money will always get you in there.

The other interestng thing is the man's skin color. He is as gora as they get. When you meet Pakis and look at Pakis mango Abduls - you find that 40-50% of them are SDRE. But Paki diplomats and jernails (save Musharraf) are always goras. These fellows all come from a narrow genetic pool and a small set of Paki families. These families also encourage the production of legitimate/illegitimate children with goris. Examples abound. Salman Taseer himself was a mixed breed with gora. Air Commodore Nosey Haider produced some half-breeds. Imran Khan has also produced some gora half breeds. In short teh 40-50% Pakis who are SDRE are invariably excluded from the top representative positions of Pakistan. This definitely earns a "one of us" feeling among at least some goras. I mean all you guys who live in the west know damn well that at some level having that extra gora touch does help.

Abdullah Hussain Haroon, the Islamic Republic of Pakistans Ambassador to the UN, is as RAPE as they come.

He is the Grandson of Muslim League big wig and Jinnah confidante Sir Abdullah Haroon and the elder brother of the Dawn Media Group CEO, Hameed Haroon

Going by wiki, Abdullah Hussain Haroon has no record of having studied in the UK. All his education is reported as having been in Karachi.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Oct 2011 09:01

Who are these guys with Reagan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYLBoXQTBqY

partha · Post by **partha** » 07 Oct 2011 09:04

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 07 Oct 2011 09:15

arun wrote:
Abdullah Hussain Haroon, the Islamic Republic of Pakistans Ambassador to the UN, is as RAPE as they come.

He is the Grandson of Muslim League big wig and Jinnah confidante Sir Abdullah Haroon and the elder brother of the Dawn Media Group CEO, Hameed Haroon

Going by wiki, Abdullah Hussain Haroon has no record of having studied in the UK. All his education is reported as having been in Karachi.

Yes I have been trawling the net too. The haroon family owns the Dawn group and are among Pakistanis 25 richest families.

There is no information on how and when grandfather "Sir" Abdulah Haroon was knighted. Sir Haroon had a son Yusuf Haroon who died this year in New York at age 95. Another son Mahmoud haroon was the Dawn group biggie

The RAPE Abdullah Haroon on CBS has a younger brother called Hameed who was educated in New York and the London school of economics.

There is something missing in the bio data of the Haroons who follow a political career in Pakistan.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 07 Oct 2011 09:30

With ‘allies’ like Pakistan, does the US need enemies?

Nothing that wasn't already known about the relationship.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 07 Oct 2011 10:00

That fat baki in need of a rehab from Fair-n-lovely is considered less pure because.....drum-roll..... he car-pools to the UN with the genial Sardar-sahib who represents India!!

There were even a couple of constipated grunts from no-name sources in baki press a few months ago about Haroon's penchant for the "good life" (Sam's Club gin, burberry tartan underpants and briar pipe for stuffing hashish, from his looks). And for travelling with injuns. This guy cant go back to a land getting purer on a daily basis, yet cannot hold back his pakistaniyat against his patrons. Kind of like that proverbial jackal who fell into the paint!!!

Btw, poor Admiral must be loving all the affection his BFFs seems to be lavishing on him..... geez,

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 07 Oct 2011 11:32

Gods Soldiers.
Praveen Swami, at his best.
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article2515374.ece

Insanity, Albert Einstein is believed to have said, consisted of doing the same things again and again, but expecting different results. The Pakistan army's jihadist commitment is not merely a tactical tool to project influence or win legitimacy: it is, instead, the paradigm through which the institution comprehends the world and seeks to shape it. The jihadists the U.S. hopes to bribe and cajole the Pakistan army to abandon are in fact soldiers of the nation the institution seeks to build — a dystopia that dollars, ironically enough, will continue to underwrite.

what he is saying is that Pakistani army is like the dog with that twisted tail, whatever US and Obama tries to do, it will not straighten. Jihad, back stabbing, lying etc are all part and parcel of their DNA and not a mere tactic. And more than that they can find religious sanction for all that?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 07 Oct 2011 12:17

Menon,you are spot on,as PS has said,the "crooked tail" cannot be straightened out! It also underscores what a well-known Pakistani-very much in the know of events and with access to anyone in the corridors of power there,told me a few years ago.I asked him whether it was possible for the Paki military to look at the Indian armed forces as a co-guarantor of peace in the sub-continent,each looking after the other's back so to speak,through joint military cooperation.His reply to me was a speechless sad look,in wonderment as if I had arrived from a distant planet and the accompanying shake of his head was answer enough!

The core of Pak's existence today,ruled by its military which commands its ISI,is undying hatred of India.This will never change unless Pak is dismembered.This is a hard truth that Pak's track record has underscored.There is no use at all for India to try cosmetic attempts at eco-cooperation,etc. expecting Pak to change tack.Laudable though these efforts may be,even if Pak is a wealthy and healthy nation,what will it do? Buy even more arms and try to destabilise India internally and wrest Kashmir from us.Despite its eco situ,it is still building more unsecured N-plants and increasing production of N-wepaons with Chinese help.

Gentlemen,it is an inescapable truth today given the mentality of Paki leaders who are almost all in uniform,that the future of India-its survival depends upon the dismantling of the Paki terrorist state.While our strategic enemy is definitely China,China uses Pak as a proxy,not wanting to reveal its hidden fist to the world which will then unite to defeat its global ambitions.The weakening and ultimate defeat of the PRC proxy ultimately weakens China itself! Pak is the weaker of the two and easier to deal with.The Q now is how the Paki state can be dismantled or dismembered,either by its internal contradictions becoming ungovernable or with a little help to the anti-Pak ethnic entities from abroad.Will a few little "shoves" in the right direction serve as a catalyst?

Whether this regime in Delhi has the gumption and the neccessities for the job is a huge Q mark.It is fighting for its very survival .One must look to the entire Indian security apparatus to take the neccessary measures themselves with respect to Pak and prepare the ground for the task at hand,when the decision-makers are caught in political quicksand.The years fly fast and a future new regime that will inevtably appear must have a master-plan at hand to secue the nation's security and survival.If the task has been completed in part by the time they arrive,it will be well worth it.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 07 Oct 2011 16:46

shiv wrote: In short teh 40-50% Pakis who are SDRE are invariably excluded from the top representative positions of Pakistan. This definitely earns a "one of us" feeling among at least some goras. I mean all you guys who live in the west know damn well that at some level having that extra gora touch does help.

Absolutely, and its not just in US, in India too, actually more so.

In the US elite worldview, its India TSP equal equal all the way, and its only the TFTA trait you allude to above among TSP RAPE who interact with whites, that gives them the advantage over our poor SDRE diplomats. In fact, I won't be surprised it that Pamela whatever and the RAPE diplomat went to a bar after the interview and spoke about Shakspere & les miserables or whatever is the latest US cultural sensation

.

But I'd take a polished, honest SDRE any day over a filthy terrorist liar in Mufti like this TSP b@stard.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 07 Oct 2011 19:58

Shiv ~95% bakis are SDRE. 0.5% are TAP (Turco Afghan Persian) 0.1% are Sheikh/Syed Arab descent. This Haroon from his last name is Arab descent. The rest are non entities.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 07 Oct 2011 21:39

After, Mullen etc.. WH too is not too kind on Paki .. even in public. (last press conference is in news all over...)
Obama Sharpens Pressure on Pakistan
Many quotable quotes to sting Paki ehh-en-dee.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 07 Oct 2011 21:47

Unfortunately These are the same(in one sense) guys who were given Mithai at Kandahar by our own highest ranking officials...

(The two scums in either side of JS, I believe, are the hijackers

)

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 07 Oct 2011 21:56

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/op ... 27741.html
Bashar al-Assad for president ... of Pakistan

Now imagine, for a moment, the reaction of a Pakistani version of the Syrian dictator in November of 2008, when multiple attacks in Mumbai perpetrated by Lashkar-e Taiba (LET) nearly plunged his nation into a disastrous and ill-timed war with India. Imagine as well the reaction to the Haqqanis' Kabul embassy attack on the Americans, Pakistan's prime benefactor. Compare, then, those reactions to the Pakistanis' comparatively kid-glove post-Mumbai treatment of LET and its leader, Hafiz Saeed, and the impunity with which the Haqqanis operate, and you begin to get an idea of how much better things would be for the Americans, the Indians, and the Pakistanis themselves if Pakistanis, who insist on pursuing Syrian-like policies, could be more like Syrians in implementing them.If you doubt that, consider this: One of the major reasons the Pakistanis are not being invited to participate in brokering a political settlement in Afghanistan is that there is no reason to believe they could deliver any of their Afghan clients to the table if they were.
Picture, however, the godfather-like conversation a Hafiz al-Assad or one of his minions might have with Siraj Haqqani. "Brother", he might say, "None of us can have all he wants in this life. I have negotiated the best deal for you that I could, one which will provide you and the others with a political role in Afghanistan. It may not represent all you could have wanted. Nonetheless, we sincerely think it is in your best interest to accept it." Siraj would know exactly what he meant, as would Mullah Omar, as would, especially, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who has had extensive experience of dealing with the Iranians.Can anyone imagine a senior Pakistani official having such a conversation with a well-armed Afghan militant leader? Not hardly. Yes, the Pakistanis have engaged in serious hostilities with home-grown insurgents, but they fear these Afghans, and especially their capacity for mischief if they should decide to join forces with their Pakistani brothers.
( Now Poaks must Swallow the ..)
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What Pakistan's leaders, both military and civilian, seem unable to take into account, however, is that this consolidation is already beginning to happen. Pakistani militants are staging in Afghan safe havens, with local support, to attack across the border.Pakistani officials may wish that these challenges would simply go away, but they will not.Like it or not, they are engaged in an existential struggle with a growing phenomenon of religious militancy which threatens, sooner or later, to undermine their external position while devouring them from within

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 07 Oct 2011 22:09

Amber G. wrote:

Unfortunately These are the same(in one sense) guys who were given Mithai at Kandahar by our own highest ranking officials...

(The two scums in either side of JS, I believe, are the hijackers )

One was out of complete choice and going out of the way to help, the other was with 170 odd Indian civilian lives at stake,

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 07 Oct 2011 22:23

Also, similar material for you to archive...
Who are these guys waiting for Mithai from our leader (JS)

Link:Kandahar Hijacking Highlights India's 'Diplomatic Failure', Says Former IB Chief Doval

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Oct 2011 01:19

No more military operations: Kayani
http://nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-news ... ons-Kayani
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SLAMABAD - Pakistan’s military on Thursday hinted that it had no plans to launch a military operation in an obvious reference that the much- debated North Waziristan operation was not on the cards.During his brief interaction with the journalists, Army Chief General Assfaqed Pervert Kayani almost stopped short of ‘warning’ Afghanistan that any future aggression from the Afghan side would be paid in the same coin. “We have made adequate arrangements to avert incursions from Afghan side into Pakistani areas.”Kayani spoke after a ceremony held in connection with Saudi-Pak joint military exercise Samsaam IV at Mangla Cantonment, a few kilometres from Jehlum, one of Pakistan’s largest cantonment areas. Saudi Military Chief General Khalid bin Bander accompanied General Kayani

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2011 01:22

AmberG, Would like to know your thinking process in posting those pictures.

Thanks, ramana(as a poster not an admin)

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Oct 2011 01:37

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 08 Oct 2011 01:44

Amber G. wrote:Also, similar material for you to archive...
Who are these guys waiting for Mithai from our leader (JS)
url=http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/India/K ... -1113.html]Kandahar Hijacking Highlights India's 'Diplomatic Failure', Says Former IB Chief Doval[/url]

Weak people will get this kind of punishment for neglecting their duty over many generations by not chopping enough heads to shove the enemies back into their mother's womb. Useful for posterity sake.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2011 01:45

Mahendra,
Et tu?

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 08 Oct 2011 02:15

Ramanaji, the guy to the right of Jasoo Mithaiwala is Mullah Mohammed Muttawakil, the then Phoren wazir of Tallibania, there is no way he could have hijacked the plane from Kathmandu

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 08 Oct 2011 02:35

The man accused of carrying money from the ISI to Nabi Fai is found dead in Pakistan. Fancy that !!! Who would have thunk it

Pakistani accused in US of spy links dies

ISLAMABAD: A doctor charged in the United States with working for Pakistan’s spy agency to influence American lawmakers on their policy toward the disputed Kashmir region has died in Islamabad after suffering a stroke.

Dr Zaheer Ahmed was one of two people accused in the case, which has complicated strained relations between Pakistan and the United States.

Hospital spokesman Azmatullah Qureshi said Ahmed died Friday after a stroke on September 28.

US prosecutors accused Ahmed of recruiting people to act as straw donors who would give money to a pro-Kashmir group in Washington that really was coming from the Pakistani government.

Ahmed was not arrested in Pakistan and never commented on the allegations. He had dual US and Pakistani citizenship.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/07/pakistan ... -dies.html

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 08 Oct 2011 03:17

World Squash Federation bans PSF secretary Irfan Asghar

Irfan Asghar accused the world body of preventing Pakistan from getting visas to participate in the World Junior Individual Championship.

KARACHI: A Pakistani official was banned from squash for one year on Friday after the sport’s federation found he had brought the game into disrepute.

The World Squash Federation (WSF) took the action against Pakistan Squash Federation (PSF) secretary Irfan Asgher for levelling allegations against the world body and its Indian president N. Ramachandran.

“The decision of the DAC is to ban Asgher from any involvement in all WSF events for a period of 12 months from 7 October 2011 and to impose a fine of 500 pounds payable within 30 days,” a WSF statement said.

Ashger had alleged in a newspaper interview that Pakistani players could not take part in a world junior championship because the WSF had delayed sending a visa letter to Belgium, where the event was held in July this year.

Asgher also alleged that Ramachandran played a role in preventing Pakistani players from obtaining visas.

But a WSF probe found that Asgher mistakenly sent the visa letter to the German hosts of a seperate men’s championship rather than to Belgium where the youth event was being held.

“Given the confusion caused by forwarding the request to the organisers of another event, the DAC did not accept that there was any fault with the WSF office,” the statement said.

Pakistan, once a dominant force in squash through Jahangir Khan and Jansher Khan, has experienced a serious slump in fortunes. Its men’s team finished 22nd out of 32 in the World Team championship in Germany in August this year – their worst ever showing.

Jahangir won a record ten British and six world titles, while Jansher won eight world and six British open titles in 1980s and 90s.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/10/07/world-sq ... sghar.html

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 08 Oct 2011 05:29

India-Afghanistan alliance: implications for Pakistan? --- Farhat Taj

Islamabad could have wielded greater influence in Kabul than Delhi if it had adopted a people-centred approach with focus on human development and trade, coupled with respect for Afghanistan’s sovereign right to have an independent foreign policy. Pakistan’s extensive physical border with Afghanistan, Kabul’s dependence on Islamabad for access to the Arabian Sea and, above all, Pakistan’s large Pakhtun population, if integrated with the Pakistani state though the rule of law, human development and democratic participation in state affairs, would have provided stable leverage to Pakistan over India in terms of influence in Afghanistan. Instead, Pakistan adopted proxy militant groups waging jihad in Afghanistan and broke down the Pakhtun culture through systemic Arabisation of society to hide the generals’ ambitions in Afghanistan with engineered Pakhtun support.

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 08 Oct 2011 05:32

Pakistan needs strategic depth ---- Ejaz Haider

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Oct 2011 05:44

Aditya_V wrote: One was out of complete choice and going out of the way to help, the other was with 170 odd Indian civilian lives at stake,

This is the point I have been disputing.

"Complete choice" is one of the biggest bluffs I have heard. And needs to be called that. If the USA was able to defeat the USSR on its own, it would likely have done that. But the US required "allies" for that. The initial US alliance was with "free countries" (another part bluff statement). That was not good enough. The US then allied with all sorts of dubious nations with whom they did not want any sort of continuing deep "high caste" relationship like the US has with NATO/Britain. Those countries included China and Pakhanasatan.

You see we do follow double standards in our attitudes when we refer to certain things. "Alliances" are always one of "you scratch my back, I scratch yours". You can't escape it. When political parties "ally" with certain groups they become traitiors in India, But when the US allies with the worst examples of the same groups it is declared as US "chankianism". The US has to pay for the mistakes it makes with alliances as much as Indian political parties.

But in all cases alliance with an ideologically different "non dharmic" partner is driven by weakness. Weakness justified as "cleverness"

In an ideal scenario one must never have to ally with those who are far removed from one's own ideals. Those alliances end up being called "Chankianism" or "weakness" depending on the context of whether the alliance ends in a temporary victory or not. The treaty of Hudaibiya was a temporary alliance out of weakness. What sort of "alliance" does the US want now?

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 08 Oct 2011 06:20

pgbhat wrote:Pakistan needs strategic depth ---- Ejaz Haider

What is the fellow trying to say?

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 08 Oct 2011 07:04

9th Grade student suspended for trimming his beard

PESHAWAR - Iqra Public School has suspended a student for trimming his beard, Pakistan Today has learnt. Student Mohammed Hamza received a letter from the school administration on Tuesday, stating, “With immediate effect Mohammad Hamza s/o Mohammad Sharif of 9th class has been suspended for cutting beard and violating roles.”
Act of fundamentalism: The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) government has taken notice of the matter. Speaking to Pakistan Today, KP Education Minister Sardar Hussain Babak said, “This is unacceptable. It is act of fundamentalism and extremism and will not be tolerated” The incident took place at the Iqra Public School located at Warsak Road which unilaterally punished 9th grade student Hamza on the minor charge of trimming his beard. Upon contact by Pakistan Today, the school management refused to comment on the matter.
‘Personal, not school discipline:’ Speaking to Pakistan Today, suspended student Mohammad Hamza said, “To trim my beard is a personal act. I did not violate school discipline. How can a personal act be made part of school discipline?” He said a clause in the school admission form disallowed students from trimming their beard. Hamza said, “I pointed out when I signed the school admission form that I do not agree to this clause and I will not follow it. However, when I did trim my beard, the school suspended me.” He added that he had not shaved but just trimmed his beard.
Hamza’s father Mohammad Sharif said, “I went to the school principal and promised my son will never trim his beard again. But he responded harshly and pushed me out of school.” KP Education Minister Babak called the suspension an act of ‘extremism’ from the school. “It is unacceptable and represents the form of extremism we are already fighting against,” he said. Babak promised an inquiry on the matter and promised strict action against the school administration if the suspension was proven.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 08 Oct 2011 07:35

KLNMurthy wrote:
pgbhat wrote:Pakistan needs strategic depth ---- Ejaz Haider

What is the fellow trying to say?

He is trying to tie a rakhi on India to make a change from "i want to screw you" to "i want biratherly relason-sip"

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 08 Oct 2011 08:16

10 students and a teacher suspended for being Ahmadiyya

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » 08 Oct 2011 08:43

Musharraf hires US firm to represent "his interests in US"

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 08 Oct 2011 09:00

^^^this is very interesting.. the same lobbying firm has been associated with terrorist lobbying before...

I found a very interesting link..Seems that a congress men - Mark Siljander has previously been accused of raising funds for terrorists...

http://www.energy-net.org/NUZ/US/08123305.TXT

PORTAGE, Mich. A former Congressman is accused of
helping fund a terrorist group, but longtime friends
say they don't believe the charges are true.

Advantage Associates President Bill Sarpalius, a
Democratic former congressman from Texas' 13th
District, recalled Mr. Siljander as kind, polite and
capable of working on his own independent projects.

Note that the guy sarpalius has been involved with musharraf recently..

It seems that pakistan had quite a few senators in their pockets...

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Oct 2011 09:20

National Interest: Be very afraid
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/natio ... d/857168/0
Shekhar Gupta....the old rascal still has some charm left .

Pakistan’s biggest problem: lack of attention from the rest of the world, particularly America. India is Pakistan’s permanent hostage and it is worth good ransom value whenever the Western powers seem to be losing interest in their old, favourite and often naughty child in the subcontinent.

Developments over the past few months may just be leading the Pakistani establishment into that state of mind. We have Admiral Mullen, and now Obama himself, accusing them of betrayal. It has, in fact, been a long time since you heard even the usual, patronising words of praise the Americans gratuitously throw at the Pakistanis. This, when the Americans are heading for their own elections, and when their plans for a phased withdrawal from Afghanistan are nearly final.

This is how the Pakistanis will read this: these guys are going away and won’t need us any more. Of course, if they are attacked from this region, they will respond with Tomahawks or drones as they do, hold your breath, in Yemen. Hold your breath, because, can you imagine the almighty, nuclear-armed Pakistan, with the fifth largest army and more civilians carrying Kalashnikovs than the rest of the world put together, being reduced to the utter irrelevance of a Yemen? Do the Americans really think they can leave us alone to deal with these Indians, or as a satellite of China with no leverage any more, globally, or in the neighbourhood?

So, am I predicting a major provocation? A big terror attack, an escalation on the LoC, a flare-up of some sort in the Valley? Can you predict such things? Can anybody predict an earthquake?

But unlike with earthquakes, where shifts and drifts take place for years at depths not accessible to any sensors, the tensions and faultlines in the subcontinent lie in the open. Sometimes you can read these shifts in your headlines, and sometimes in the absence of headlines. This is one such period, and a time to get very worried. Particularly when we are so distracted with so many self-inflicted calamities and a government in freeze.

May be he has a point, especially when a new combat drill, called Sudarshan Shakthi is planned in the Thar, during the monts of November and December!

Manny · Post by **Manny** » 08 Oct 2011 09:22

This is the best thing to happen. Enough of the charade that Pakistan is a moderate country.... the more and more, these Islamists are merged with the mainstream, the better it is going to be for the Pakistanis. Thats for sure.

Banned Islamists rally in full view in Pakistan's capital

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/07/31 ... -full.html

ISLAMABAD — A large crowd of Islamic militants rallied this week in the heart of Islamabad to voice support for Pakistan's army and to condemn the United States in another sign of a growing tide of extremism sweeping the country.

menon s · Post by **menon s** » 08 Oct 2011 09:41

Another Editor, Najam Sethi, on the future months.. ahead
http://najamsethi.com/ns/2011/09/us-pak ... cks-ahead/

Both countries would be lucky to get by for another few months without another major incident blowing up in someone’s face or the other. By next April, the Taliban will be ready for a major operation to decisively derail President Obama’s Afghanistan agenda when the US establishment will be focused on the presidential election. America will be in desperate straits. In order to thwart the Taliban’s summer agenda, therefore, America is most likely going to “do more” in its winter agenda before next summer. Short of American boots-on-ground in Waziristan, only Pakistani boots-on-ground will work. But if the Pakistani army is still unable or unwilling to oblige, then cruise missiles and high altitude bombing could be options.

So before the Americans move, the Pakistani intelligence will create a nuclear scare with India.....Possible.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 08 Oct 2011 09:42

Shekar Duppata is doing what he s best at scaring India and Indians. India always was in turmoil when TSP overplayed its hand. Recall ABV govt was a lame duck govt when Kargil attack happened. In 1965 LBS was a new PM trying to get a feel for the job. In 1962 JLN and his coterie were panic struck when PRC attacked. So this is nothing new.

Instead of assuring the nation at a trying time he wants to scare so he can claim to be an expert. All those years of contacts with the highest people in GOI are wasted on him.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 08 Oct 2011 09:50

Re:

Ahmed was not arrested in Pakistan and never commented on the allegations. He had dual US and Pakistani citizenship.

No such thing - other than in the delusional maghaz of dawn copy writers. The guy was in violation of US citizenship laws by having aliegance to the paki, and would have lost his US citizenship were it proved that he travelled on any document other than a US passport. If any here know of any other such incidents of a paki travelling on a paki passport and holding US citizenship, please call it in on any one of anonymous phone lines established by the US for turning in such traitor terrorists.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Oct 2011 12:48

Second message to pres.Obama,...."Bring on the B-52s!".

There is nothing better than "rolling thunder" strikes at the heart of the Paki/Pashtun/Taliban ungodlies in Af-Pak Peshawar,etc.,that will evoke the fear of God in them.If a few wayside bombs miss their target and hit Pindi and Paki military/ISI entities,all the better. As many are predicting,a new Taliban/Paki offensive is on the cards.Pres.Karzai said to the BBC that there was basically no difference between the Paki military and Taliban-they were one and the same, and that the Taliban could not be defeated because of their hiding in Paki sanctuaries.
Therefore,Uncle Sam Obama has no alternative but to go after the Paki/ISI/Talibs in their sanctuaries next year if he hopes to save Karzai and co., and make the trillions spent over the last 10 years and the thousands of deaths and wounded western soldiers worth something.

In short Pak has to be castrated politically,militarily and economically.By putting the squeeze on all 3 aspects of the Paki state,the objective can be accomplished.US "rolling thunder" B-52 saturation bombing of Paki/Talib hideouts/sanctuaries must be accompanied with military sanctions,eco sanctions and issuing red card notices to Interpol,etc., of Paki military top brass,diplomats and babus,to be picked up for terorism,war crime charges,drug smuggling,et al.Paki crore commander accounts should be frozen and it should get the same treatment that the Gaddhaffi or Mubarak regime got. Obama can then get re-elected by taking the wind out of the Republican's sails on foreign policy ,fighting terror,and concentrate on the economy!