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devesh wrote:brihaspati ji,

what are the designs of US in this? I think it is necessary for Israel to survive and be powerful wrt its neighbors. But US/UK are changing their tunes. have US interests become so divergent from Israels' that US is essentially embarking on a new course in the MENA?

is this what you meant when you said that US no longer understands if it playing for economic interests or religious interests? in other words, delusion and confusion b/c of the EJ infiltration into elite circles?
This is indeed complicated. There are at least 8 primary networks interested in Jews and Israel and Palestine.
(1) traditional oldguard American "white" rich-boys club with entrenched financial roots as a group [not necessarily as individuals]
(2) anti-Catholic, proselytizing, expansive EJ networks
(3) American-Jewish lobby
(4) European lobby
(5) Saudi lobby
(6) Chinese lobby
(7) American middle class, SME based
(8) Intellectual loose cannons based in universities

All of these are not mutually exclusive. Previously only two of these dominated the whole debate and policy. Economic weaknesses, and dependence of both US and Europe on Saudi+China have increased the number of significant players, and expandd the game. Perhaps paradoxically the growing strength of the EJ lobby may have pushed towards support for Palestine also.

There is a certain quarter of thinking that wants to see the Islamists use Palestine as a base to start their next phase of predatory strikes at Israel. This is then their "prophesied" start of the eventual war that would see the "second" coming to wipe out all opposition to EJ-version of Christianity.

As it stands, the equilibrium standoff does not "solve" the "Islamist" problem, even if it protects Israel - but also preserves Palestine, and allows the Islamists to hide their real agenda.
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brihaspati ji,

have you read Joel Rosenberg's novels? they are all fiction. but they give crucial inputs into EJ psyche. he is an EJ himself, and the sheer intolerance and rabid intent for world domination is evident in his books. and the nauseating point is that he paints it all under "humanitarian" and "compassionate" categories...
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In Indonesia, touted as one of the most liberal Mohammadden majority nations in the world, suicide bomber attacks a Church injuring 27:

Suicide bomber strikes church
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Veena Malik, Pak actress who flirted with Bollywood, becomes a "divisive figure" in Pureland:
The actress who took on the mufti
In her socially conservative country, moralizing against figures like Malik - an actress, model and reality TV star - can seem as routine as the call to prayer. All the more reason, then, for shock when she responded to religious critics by taking on Muslim clerics themselves, some of whom she said "rape the children they teach in their mosques, and do so much more", adding, "Since you have set up a court here, I demand that the court dispense justice."

But this was no courtroom. The venue was a TV studio in Lahore, where a shouting match erupted between the brazen 27-year-old and a respected white-haired cleric named Mufti Abdul Qavi.

Moments earlier, Qavi had admonished Malik to examine her conscience for her behavior on a popular Indian reality TV show, telling her she had "disgraced Pakistan, as well as Islam".

[...]

Weeks after the debate's airing, Malik was injured in a suspicious road accident. She was hospitalized and has since sought refuge in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, where she continues working for Voice of Women, a non-profit organization she founded to help female victims of domestic violence and other abuse throughout Asia.

Violence against women is a widespread problem in Pakistan. Some 1,000 women die in honor killings every year. Reports suggest that as many as four in five women are subject to abuse in their own households.

Malik is no stranger to any of this. Born into a poor family of seven children in the northern city of Rawalpindi, her mission comes out of personal experience, ever since she was "a kid".

"I've been watching my dad hitting my mom for no reason, for the food. 'You did not cook the food on time,' and things like that. Little things," she says.

"When I grew older, my elder sister, she was 14, my father married her off. The other sister was 11, my father married her off. I was in the sixth standard [sixth grade in secondary school], when my father said that, 'Now it is your turn.' I stood up. And I was hardly 12, 13 at that time. I said, 'No, why should I get married? I mean, why, why should I? I mean, I don't want to!' And then my father said, 'No, you have to.' And this was the first time I stood up for myself."

In Malik's telling, her father, a retired army officer, told her he had no more money for her studies so she worked to put herself through school. ...

She fell in love for the first time, she says, when she was 20 years old. Rumors abound, but she says she is not in a relationship at present, adding that things fell apart with a former boyfriend after she became a victim of physical abuse.
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X Posted from the TSP thread.

The regrettable part of this episode is that by claiming to emulate the practice of the Prophet of Muhammaddenism with regards to his marriage with the 9 year old Ayesha, thus making it "Shariah Compliant", the 85 year old groom in this case is going to get away scot free with this act of marriage to a child:
When contacted, Langrana Station House Officer (SHO) Zafar Bhatti said that he had conducted a raid but found that no laws were broken. “I cannot arrest anyone here because the girl is an adult as per Islamic Law and Shariah. She is 12-years-old and that is not too young for marriage,” he said.

“I have submitted a report with the court in this regard and it is up the court to prosecute,” he added. “The marriage needs a wali and her father is her guardian. It was his choice to give her in marriage,” he said.
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Child marriage: 12-year-old girl given in wani to 85-year-old
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In Egypt arson attack targeting a Coptic Christian Church by a Mohammadden mob on the Muslim Sabbath of Friday.

The provocation for the mob attack was apparently the dome of the Church:

Muslims burn part of Aswan Governorate church
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a fascinating article on the historical treatment of jews in muslim ruled lands. from 700k in 1948, their headcount is down to few 1000 now.

http://www.azure.org.il/article.php?id=581

The Muslims’ conduct toward the Jews was determined to a great extent by the guiding principles of their faith. Believers were required to humiliate non-Muslims living under their rule, as befits those who reject the divine truth. And yet, until modern times, the Islamic debasement of the Jews was distinct from the virulent hatred that characterized European Judeophobia. Bernard Lewis emphasizes that

in contrast to Christian antisemitism, the Muslim attitude toward non-Muslims is one not of hate or fear or envy but simply of contempt. This is expressed in various ways…. The negative attributes ascribed to the subject religions and their followers are usually expressed in religious and social terms, very rarely in ethnic or racial terms, though this does sometimes occur…. The conventional epithets are apes for Jews and pigs for Christians.10

As non-Muslim subjects of the Muslim state, Jews were assigned the inferior status of dhimmi (“dependent”). This position ensured the protection of their lives and property, the right to practice their religion, and a degree of internal communal autonomy. In exchange for all these, however, the Jews were required to submit to various forms of legal and social discrimination.11
There is no shortage of historical examples of this approach: In the fourteenth century, the Jews of Egypt and Syria were prohibited from living in tall buildings, raising their voices in prayer, burying their dead in graves more impressive than those of their Muslim neighbors, or filling clerical roles. If they wished to enter a public bathhouse, they had to hang a bell or copper coin around their necks.12 Until 1912, the Jews of Morocco were forced to walk barefoot or wear straw shoes outside the Jewish quarter as a sign of respect for the Arab nation.13 And the Shi’ite law introduced in Yemen by Zaydi imams determined that a Muslim who murdered a Jew should not be sentenced to death. Jews were obligated, moreover, to wear simple-looking clothes and to refrain from donning a headdress. And if this were not enough, many Jewish orphans were abducted by Yemen’s authorities and forced to convert.14
Jews in non-Arab Muslim lands hardly fared better. The rise of the Shi’ite-Iranian Safavid Empire in the sixteenth century led to a rapid and violent deterioration in the status of Persian Jewry. The Muslim population instigated brutal pogroms, while the authorities, who viewed the Jews as impure, attempted to convert them by force.15 From the end of the nineteenth century until the 1940s, Jews were forbidden to ride a horse, build a wall around their homes, own a store in the bazaar, or go out in the rain and snow, lest the water mix with their bodily fluids and defile their surroundings.16 Jews from Iran have told of relatives who were murdered by Muslims simply because they dared to drink from a cup in a public place.17
The rise of Arab nationalism, the Balfour Declaration, and the escalation of the Jewish-Arab conflict in Palestine led to a significant deterioration in the conditions of Jews living in Muslim societies. The threat to their safety and welfare reached its peak following the Partition Plan, adopted by the UN on November 29, 1947. In a discussion held by a political committee of the UN General Assembly five days before the resolution was passed, the representative from Egypt, Mohamed Hussein Heykal, explained how the plan would affect the future of Jews in the Arab world:

The United Nations… should not lose sight of the fact that the proposed solution might endanger a million Jews living in Muslim countries. Partition of Palestine might create antisemitism in those countries even more difficult to root out than the antisemitism which the Allies tried to eradicate in Germany…. If the United Nations decides to partition Palestine, it might be responsible for very grave disorders and for the massacre of a large number of Jews.… Riots would break out in Palestine, would spread through all the Arab states and might lead to a war between two races.18

The threat indeed came to pass: With the encouragement of the authorities, a tidal wave of antisemitism surged through the Arab countries. To be sure, the violence did not come as a complete surprise to the Jews living there: The hostility toward the Jews in Iraq, for example, had already exacted a bloody toll. In 1941, during the holiday of Shavuot, a pogrom known as the “Farhud” took place in Baghdad. During the riots, over 150 Jews, including infants, were brutally murdered, and many hundreds were injured; women were raped, homes were plundered, stores and businesses were looted, and thousands of families were left homeless.19
On May 15, 1948, immediately following Israel’s declaration of independence, Iraq went to war against the Jewish state; at home, the military regime began to systematically persecute its Jewish citizens. Hundreds were fired from public service, and draconian restrictions were placed on Jewish merchants, leading to severe deterioration in the economic state of the community. Jews were denied basic health and sanitation services, and required to “donate” money to the military struggle against Israel.20 Most gravely, over the next two years, hundreds of Jews were arrested on various pretexts and brought before military courts, which sentenced them to incarceration and heavy fines. Prisoners were sent to the Abu Ghraib jail south of Baghdad, where they were subjected to all manner of torture.21 One of the wealthiest Jews of Iraq, Shafiq Ades—himself hardly a supporter of Zionism—was charged with subversion; after a show trial, and despite international pressure to commute his sentence, Ades was hanged in September 1948 outside his home in the city of Basra. For many Iraqi Jews, the incident was a grim reminder of their situation, and a sign that they should seek a future elsewhere.22
In March 1950, Iraq allowed Jews to leave the country on condition that they relinquish their citizenship. Those who left were forced to sell their property for a negligible price, since they were forbidden to leave Iraq with more than 50 dinars (equivalent to about $200 at the time) and a few personal possessions. A year later, the Iraqi government confiscated the assets of tens of thousands of Jews who had applied for emigration to Israel but had not yet managed to leave. By the end of that year, approximately 90 percent of the 135,000 Jews living in Iraq had left, leaving behind a wealth of possessions and enormous capital.23
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A heartwarming story of love and peace in these troubled times
Prem wrote:Paki are Turks

Islam's Uninterrupted History of Forced Conversions
Days ago in Pakistan, two Christian men were severely beaten with iron rods and left for dead by a group of Muslims, simply because they refused to convert to Islam. According to Compass Direct News, they were returning from a church service when they were accosted by six Muslims. After they discovered they were Christian, the Muslims
then started questioning them about their faith and later tried to force them to recite the Kalma [Islamic conversion creed, "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger"] and become Muslims, telling them that this was the only way they could live peacefully in the city. They also offered monetary incentives and "protection" to Ishfaq and Naeem [the Christians], but the two refused to renounce Christianity.
"After cajoling the two Christians for some time," the Muslims pretended to go away, only to ram their car into the Christians: "The Muslims [then] got out of the car armed with iron rods and attacked Ishfaq and Naeem, shouting that they should either recite the Kalma or be prepared to die…severely beating[ing] the two Christians, fracturing Ishfaq Munawar's jaw and breaking five teeth, and seriously injuring Masih…. [T]he two Christians fell unconscious, and the young Muslim men left assuming they had killed them."
Contrast this contemporary account with the following anecdote from some 500 years past (excerpted from Witnesses for Christ, pgs.62-64):
In the year 1522, two Christian brothers in Ottoman Egypt were denounced by local Muslims "mostly out of jealousy and envy"; so the emir arrested them and "began flattering them and asking questions about their faith." The brothers made it clear that they were firm adherents of Christianity. "The Muslims in the audience became enraged with the brothers when they heard their answers, and they began screaming and demanding they must become Muslims." The brothers responded by refusing to "deny the faith we received from our forefathers, but we will remain unshaken and very firm in it until the end."
The Muslim judge deciding their case told the Christian brothers that if they simply said the Kalma and embraced Islam, they "would be given many honors and much glory"; otherwise, they would die. At that point, the brothers' mother came to support them, but "when the Muslims in court noticed her, they fell upon her, tore her clothing, and gave her a thorough beating."
After rebuking them for their savagery, the brothers reaffirmed that they would never deny Christianity for Islam, adding "behold our necks, do what you wish, but do it quickly."
Hearing this, one of the Muslims in the audience became so angry that he took out a knife and stabbed Kyrmidoles [one brother] in the chest, while someone else kicked him as hard as possible, and another dropped a large stone on his head. Finally, they plucked out his eyes. Thus Kyrmidoles died. As for Gabriel [his brother] they threw him to the ground and one of the soldiers severed his right shoulder and then proceeded and cut off his head.
Now, consider the near identical patterns in the two accounts, separated by half a millennium
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The Muslims’ conduct toward the Jews was determined to a great extent by the guiding principles of their faith. Believers were required to humiliate non-Muslims living under their rule, as befits those who reject the divine truth. And yet, until modern times, the Islamic debasement of the Jews was distinct from the virulent hatred that characterized European Judeophobia. Bernard Lewis emphasizes that
This is exactly the kind of discrimination that Muslims tended to blame Indian high castes for..and it puzzled me for sometime when i traveled North India and it's villages. A large amount of Hindu villages in Haryana and Western UP practise a number of Islamic customs including covering up in front of father in law and elder brothers of husband etc. Number of cases of honor killings emanate in the regions with the maximum Islamic influence in the continent.

Over a 1000 years of Islamic presence in India and sustained ghazi attacks on major towns during the period, many withdrew to small village units and created a class system based on varna. The discrimination in the Indian caste system originated largely from this movement as a result of Islamic invasions. NW UP it was well known a few decades back, sharing water and walking a shadow of a Muslim could land up a beating in some areas or more. Islam has been a tremendously discriminatory doctrine. How it influenced others to discriminate is a chapter less studied. I doubt any grants would be given to people under the present educational system in India to do a study of it. But there's a major area here that is completely out of the scanner.

Caste based discrimination in India always seemed more class/ feudal based to me, too shallow in it's doctrine. The acceptance without much ado at all of so many low caste authors including of major scriptures and the one generation rural to urban drift that does away with the so called deep rooted 'caste' all point to other major factors that influenced caste based discrimination in India.
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harbans wrote: This is exactly the kind of discrimination that Muslims tended to blame Indian high castes for..and it puzzled me for sometime when i traveled North India and it's villages. A large amount of Hindu villages in Haryana and Western UP practise a number of Islamic customs including covering up in front of father in law and elder brothers of husband etc. Number of cases of honor killings emanate in the regions with the maximum Islamic influence in the continent.

Over a 1000 years of Islamic presence in India and sustained ghazi attacks on major towns during the period, many withdrew to small village units and created a class system based on varna. The discrimination in the Indian caste system originated largely from this movement as a result of Islamic invasions. NW UP it was well known a few decades back, sharing water and walking a shadow of a Muslim could land up a beating in some areas or more. Islam has been a tremendously discriminatory doctrine. How it influenced others to discriminate is a chapter less studied. I doubt any grants would be given to people under the present educational system in India to do a study of it. But there's a major area here that is completely out of the scanner.

Caste based discrimination in India always seemed more class/ feudal based to me, too shallow in it's doctrine. The acceptance without much ado at all of so many low caste authors including of major scriptures and the one generation rural to urban drift that does away with the so called deep rooted 'caste' all point to other major factors that influenced caste based discrimination in India.
Harbans that is an astute and well worded observation. You are clarifying issues that are difficult to express. In fact I have often stated that what the British denounced as a nation of heathens was Indians who had already been influenced by Islam into Islamic discriminatory practices over and above the social codes that predated Islam. Since Islam was a religion they could relate to - with Europe having been exposed to Islam in the near east and in Europe itself, it was easy for Islamic scholars to dissociate themselves from anything they considered "unislamic". So Indian society dubbed as "Hindu society" was left smeared with all that was considered undesirable. That is how the British were quite "sympathetic" to a "Muslim cause" - where the poor ickle pure Muslims of India could not be left to suffer under the subjugation of horrible racist bigoted Hindus and needed a lovely pure land of their own where the great powers of Christendom could be lovey-dovey with pure Islam minus the pagans and rule the world.

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Doc, you have to read the story of torture done to Banda Bahadur in full public view. Luckily he was skilled Yogi with superb spiritual strength.
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it was easy for Islamic scholars to dissociate themselves from anything they considered "unislamic". So Indian society dubbed as "Hindu society" was left smeared with all that was considered undesirable. That is how the British were quite "sympathetic" to a "Muslim cause" -
Also outsiders termed a wide set of people with variances in 'religious practice' under 'Hindu's. The assimilative process within the Dharmic doctrine was not considered or comprehended. Upward mobility of entire communities up the dharmic ladder was neglected. Today it's par for the course to talk about assimilation in a few generations to say the American way of life..but why was it not so for disparate communities in India, seems strange. Any large assimilative process with Dharma at it's core will have exceptions to the rule and these will be exploited by propagandists. That coupled with the influences of foreign discriminatory doctrines have given a bad press to Hindu 'practices' in recent times. Towards that a remarkable contradiction exists as per British records in the 18th century that i posted here earlier. Education in the Madras Presidency and Bengal was higher amongst the low castes than the Brahmins who had an edge in numbers only as far as religious education went. Caste based discrimination in India was thus largely both a result of the assimilative process that translated to class/ feudal levels and outsider ethic influence than it's own doctrinal limitations.
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Bji, Can we use ontology theory to map the various branches of Abrahamic religions?
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harbans wrote:

This is exactly the kind of discrimination that Muslims tended to blame Indian high castes for..and it puzzled me for sometime when i traveled North India and it's villages. A large amount of Hindu villages in Haryana and Western UP practise a number of Islamic customs including covering up in front of father in law and elder brothers of husband etc. Number of cases of honor killings emanate in the regions with the maximum Islamic influence in the continent.

Over a 1000 years of Islamic presence in India and sustained ghazi attacks on major towns during the period, many withdrew to small village units and created a class system based on varna. The discrimination in the Indian caste system originated largely from this movement as a result of Islamic invasions. NW UP it was well known a few decades back, sharing water and walking a shadow of a Muslim could land up a beating in some areas or more. Islam has been a tremendously discriminatory doctrine. How it influenced others to discriminate is a chapter less studied. I doubt any grants would be given to people under the present educational system in India to do a study of it. But there's a major area here that is completely out of the scanner.

Caste based discrimination in India always seemed more class/ feudal based to me, too shallow in it's doctrine. The acceptance without much ado at all of so many low caste authors including of major scriptures and the one generation rural to urban drift that does away with the so called deep rooted 'caste' all point to other major factors that influenced caste based discrimination in India.

Astute observations, Harbansji. However, the statement that Islam was dominant for a 1000 years applies only to NW part of the subcontinent. As an example, the core of today's Maharashtra (without much of Vidharba and Marathwada) during the last 1000 years, was ruled by the Yadava dynasty from 800 AD until 1334 AD, when Muhammed bin Tughlak detroyed the Devgiri empore. After which it was ruled by a number of Bahami Muslim kingdoms such as Bijapur and Ahmednagar until about 1650, when Shivaji started buildlng his kingdom. The British took over in 1818, after the second Anglo-Maratha war.
So Muslims dominated major parts of Maharashtra for only around 300 of the last 1000 years. This also applies to many parts of the South, especially those parts which were under Hindu Vijaynagara rule until 1565, and which did not fall into Mughal/Nizam rule, right after Shia Muslim rulers of Golconda and Bijapur collapsed.
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X Posted.

In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, religious groups representing the Deobandi and Ahle Hadith (Wahabbi) sub-sects of Mohammaddenism join their co-religionists of the Barelvi sub-sect in protecting Mumtaz Qadri, the murderer of Punjab Governor Salman Taseer.

When Mohammadden groups representing the bulk of the populace endorse murder on grounds of religious sanction in a country that has gone to great lengths to proclaim its Mohammadden identity by claiming among others to be an Ideological Muslim State, Islamic Republic and safe-haven for the Mohammaddens of the Indian Sub-Continent, the only conclusion to be drawn is that Islam far from being a religion of peace is a religion of violence.

Will the member countries of the Organisation of Islamic Co-Operation, the erstwhile Organisation of Islamic Conference, condemn fellow member Pakistan for permitting the painting of Mohammaddenism as a Religion of Violence? :

Deobandis, Wahhabis to join Qadri protests
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No charges were filed against the Muslim who tried to break into the cockpit of American Airlines flight out of New York. If he were Christian or Jew, he'd be behind bars. More sharia. - Pamela Geller Atlas Shrugged

Saudi passenger disrupts flight bound for Indianapolis
INDIANAPOLIS - Federal authorities are probing the actions of a Saudi Arabian man who tried to get into the cockpit of an American Airlines flight to here.Indianapolis Airport police said Abdulaziz Mubarak Alshammari, 20, was pulled away from the cabin door by another passenger a half hour before Flight 1936 from New York to Indianapolis International Airport landed at about 10 p.m. Wednesday.Alshammari, who said he is a student at the University of Indianapolis, appeared confused when flight attendants and police questioned him, according to a police report. Investigators photocopied a note Alshammari wrote in Arabic while on the plane.Scott Hall, a spokesman for the University of Indianapolis, said the school has no record of Alshammari being a student there.No charges were filed.
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http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islam ... n-rub.html
Richard Dawkins claims Muslim schools are having a "pernicious" influence on children who are having their minds "stuffed with alien rubbish" such as claims the world is only 6,000 years old.The author of The God Delusion, who has previously described religious education provided by faith schools as a form of child abuse, said that the effect was "utterly deplorable" especially as it lasted until their university years. The prominent atheist said he could live with some faith schools that are vaguely religious and saved his fire for the schools that were teaching "total nonsense".Mr Dawkins, former Oxford University professor and evolutionary biologist, made his comments as he spoke to the Times Educational Supplement about the launch of a new science book.
He said that while he opposed faith schools as a whole, it was the Muslim ones that worried m the most. "Occasionally, my colleagues lecturing in universities lament having undergraduate students walk out of their classes when they talk about evolution – this is almost entirely Muslims," he said. "So I think there's a very, very pernicious influence that is lasting up to the university years. That must be coming from certain schools."He said that he noticed the "utterly deplorable" effect they were having first hand after visiting a Muslim school in Leicester as part of a documentary he made last year called Faith Schools Menace? "Every single person I met believes if there is any disagreement between the Koran and science, then the Koran wins," he said. "I spoke to a group of girls, and to a senior science teacher who believes the world is 6,000 years old. It's just utterly deplorable. These are now British children who are having their minds stuffed with alien rubbish."
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Self Extermination
Spanish authorities are investigating the recent deaths by poisoning of more than a dozen dogs in Lérida, a city in the northeastern region of Catalonia that has become ground zero in an intensifying debate over the role of Islam in Spain.All of the dogs were poisoned in September…in Lérida’s working class neighbourhoods of Cappont and La Bordeta, districts that are heavily populated by Muslim immigrants and where many dogs have been killed in recent years.Local residents say Muslim immigrants killed the dogs because according to Islamic teaching dogs are “unclean” animals.Over the past several months, residents taking their dogs for walks have been harassed by Muslim immigrants opposed to seeing the animals in public. Muslims have also launched a number of anti-dog campaigns on Islamic websites and blogs based in Spain.
In response to the “lack of sufficient police to protect the neighbourhood,” 50 local residents have established alternating six-person citizen patrols to escort people walking their dogs.In July, two Islamic groups based in Lérida asked city officials to regulate the presence of dogs in public spaces so they do not “offend Muslims.” Muslims are demanding that dogs be banned from all forms of public transportation including all city buses as well as from all areas frequented by Muslim immigrants.Muslims in Lérida say the presence of dogs violates their religious freedom and their right to live according to Islamic principles
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... ayer_.html
34 Muslim Hertz drivers suspended for prayer
Hertz has suspended 34 Muslim shuttle drivers at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport for praying on company time.The company says the drivers are required to clock out, under terms of a settlement two years ago with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.Drivers told The Seattle Times they were sent home last week for praying. Teamsters Local 117, which represents the workers, is trying to get them back on the job.The union represents about 79 drivers at Hertz who earn between $9 and $10 an hour. About 70 percent of them are Muslims. Observant Muslims pray five times a day
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Muslims are demanding that dogs be banned from all forms of public transportation including all city buses as well as from all areas frequented by Muslim immigrants.Muslims in Lérida say the presence of dogs violates their religious freedom and their right to live according to Islamic principles
Sigh, and the muslims wonder why they are not exactly welcomed with open arms everywhere?
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This wooden sculpture in the Church of Our Dear Lady in Dendermonde, Belgium depicts Mohammed on the ground, clutching the Koran, being trampled on by angels. It represents the triumph of Christianity over Islam and it was carved in the 17th century by Mattheus van Beveren.
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A must read for any one interested in Islam in security context: TO OUR GREAT DETRIMENT IGNORING WHAT EXTREMISTS SAY ABOUT JIHAD by Major Stephen Collins Coughlin - This report of some 300 plus pages report submitted to Pentagon and as a result he almost lost his job.
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http://minx.cc/?post=322389
At Least Two Dozen Egyptian Christians Killed By Army/Security Forces In Cairo
Flames lit up downtown Cairo, where massive clashes raged Sunday, drawing Christians angry over a recent church attack, hard-line Muslims and Egyptian security forces. At least 24 people were killed and more than 200 injured in the worst sectarian violence since the uprising that ousted Hosni Mubarak in February. The rioting lasted late into the night, bringing out a deployment of more than 1,000 security forces and armored vehicles to defend the state television building along the Nile, where the trouble began. The military clamped a curfew on the area until 7 a.m.At one point, an armored security van sped into the crowd, striking a half-dozen protesters and throwing some into the air. Protesters retaliated by setting fire to military vehicles, a bus and private cars, sending flames rising into the night sky.In the past few weeks, riots have broken out at two churches in southern Egypt, prompted by Muslim crowds angry about church construction.
One clash took place near the city of Aswan, after church officials agreed to a demand by local ultra-conservative Muslims, known as Salafis, that a cross and bells be removed from the church building.Muslims demand respect for their faith, even when it conflicts with western values. Yet time and time again, they show that in nations around the world where they are the majority they are unwilling or incapable of provide to others what they demand for themselves
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sum wrote:
Muslims are demanding that dogs be banned from all forms of public transportation including all city buses as well as from all areas frequented by Muslim immigrants.Muslims in Lérida say the presence of dogs violates their religious freedom and their right to live according to Islamic principles
Sigh, and the muslims wonder why they are not exactly welcomed with open arms everywhere?
From the viewpoint of those who object to dogs, they might say "Kafirs wonder why they are not openly welcomed by us". The point is the acceptance that there can be other viewpoints and letting those viewpoints survive. Unfortunately Islamic fundamentalism does not allow any other thought process to survive. It is confrontationist and seeks to eliminate all opposition. The "dog" issue is just one more strawman set up to cause conflict.. The message from Islamic fundamentalists is "We want war. We are not afraid of death". The reply they must get it is "You will have war and you will get the death that you desire so much"
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Prem wrote:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... ayer_.html
34 Muslim Hertz drivers suspended for prayer
Hertz has suspended 34 Muslim shuttle drivers at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport for praying on company time.The company says the drivers are required to clock out, under terms of a settlement two years ago with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.Drivers told The Seattle Times they were sent home last week for praying. Teamsters Local 117, which represents the workers, is trying to get them back on the job.The union represents about 79 drivers at Hertz who earn between $9 and $10 an hour. About 70 percent of them are Muslims. Observant Muslims pray five times a day
These would be most probably Somali muslims. I have seen them overtake a lot of airport jobs and airport taxi jobs in Seattle, Minneapolis St Paul etc. I have personally not had any bad experience with them.
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For those with domestic help please to take care or else. :mrgreen: If not for some exemplary investigative work by the Saudi police, this could have turned out really ugly.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/region/ ... 1-1.422992
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Bill Cosby is said to have written this:

Edited after dipanker informed me.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15311541
Austria deputy Kurzmann cleared over anti-Muslim game
A right-wing Austrian politician has been cleared of incitement after he created an anti-Muslim computer game as part of an election campaign.Freedom Party deputy Gerhard Kurzmann used the game in his failed bid to become governor of the south-eastern province of Styria last year.Players of "Bye-bye, Mosque" had to shoot at Muslims and mosques as they emerged from a rural scene.The game sparked sharp criticism from other parties and religious groups.Judicial authorities forced the Freedom Party to take down the game and Mr Kurzmann was later charged with inciting religious hatred and defaming a religion.But on Friday a court in Graz cleared Mr Kurzmann."It did not reach the threshold of incitement and I would also say this was not the intention," Judge Christoph Lichtenberg said, in remarks carried by the national APA news agency.
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^^

Actually that is written by some guy named Robert hall. Here is the refutation:
Some prankster took a portion of text from a commentary called I'm Tired written by blogger Robert Hall and credited to the famous comedian. Click here to read the entire text of the commentary on Hall's blog site.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/ ... -Tired.htm

Here is real blog by Robert Hall:
http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html
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the article by Hall or Crosby or whomever, is fairly well written. However, it also shows a lack of maturity and honourablity. How could the writer have missed including Hindus(and Buddhists) among the victims of the murderous Islamists? Surely, by now, he would have heard of the multiple Mumbai attacks at least?

There is this major American mainstream mental block, when it comes to including Hindus and India as a reference point on the matter of terrorism. It's all "Christians and Jews". That old American parochialism and insularity doesn't go away.
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In the Sharia compliant Land of Bad Teeth and Monthly Shower

Imam in the U.K. found guilty of abusing young girls
If the offending imam had committed his acts of pedophilia in a country with a high degree of sharia compliance, then of course the imam would not have been convicted at all, as the founder of Islam consummated his own marriage to his child bride Aisha when she was but nine (Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64). Not that the British government or its legal system is about to acknowledge this, of course. Note that the convictions are for crimes that occurred 25-30 years ago, and no one in the Muslim community stepped forward in all that time save one brave victim herself. At the lightning rate that sharia is advancing in Britain, however, what are the chances of another imam being similarly convicted in the U.K. in 25 to 30 years' time?A ‘DESPICABLE’ paedophile who abused three girls when he was an Imam at a town centre mosque has been convicted by a jury. Ebrahim Yusuf Kazi, 67, was found guilty of five counts of indecent assault on three girls aged under the age of 13. The offences took place between 1979 and 1986 at Broad Street Mosque, where Kazi was an Imam before moving to Gloucester.
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Mohammadden religious beliefs impede the vaccination effort to combat diphtheria in Indonesia. The Mohammadden population is questioning if the anti diphtheritic vaccine is halal:

Govt says religious beliefs hinder vaccination in E. Java

Not the first time that vaccination programmes have been adversely impacted for some or other reason related to the Mohammadden religion as in the below case from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan dating back to 2007 where polio vaccination was seen as a plot to sterilise Muslim children:

Polio cases jump in Pakistan as clerics declare vaccination an American plot

Not the second time either that vaccination programmes have been adversely impacted for some or other reason related to the Mohammadden religion as in the below case from the Muslim majority Northern part of Nigeria dating back to 2002 where vaccination was seen by a Mohammadden Cleric as Un-Islamic and religiously proscribed:

Immunisation is Un-Islamic – Cleric
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RamaY ji,
that's what they think is already happening....I fully support their views on this one. why, Pak deserves Polio. and Polio deserves Pak. it's a match made in heaven. why should we have khujli....Sarve Pak-janaah Polio Bhavantu...
I'm pretty sure that needs one more classifying word after/before "polio".
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Gentlemen, please read the first post of the thread!

TIA
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arun wrote:Mohammadden religious beliefs impede the vaccination effort to combat diphtheria in Indonesia. The Mohammadden population is questioning if the anti diphtheritic vaccine is halal:

Govt says religious beliefs hinder vaccination in E. Java

Not the first time that vaccination programmes have been adversely impacted for some or other reason related to the Mohammadden religion as in the below case from the Islamic Republic of Pakistan dating back to 2007 where polio vaccination was seen as a plot to sterilise Muslim children:

Polio cases jump in Pakistan as clerics declare vaccination an American plot

Not the second time either that vaccination programmes have been adversely impacted for some or other reason related to the Mohammadden religion as in the below case from the Muslim majority Northern part of Nigeria dating back to 2002 where vaccination was seen by a Mohammadden Cleric as Un-Islamic and religiously proscribed:

Immunisation is Un-Islamic – Cleric
The American newspaper, The Los Angeles Times, today reminds us that things have not changed in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and Mohammadden Clerics “ seed rumors that vaccines are un-Islamic because they are made from substances derived from pigs, or that they cause infertility. Some clerics try to convince parents that polio vaccines are made from the urine of Satan”:

Fearful Pakistanis spurn polio vaccines
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