Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Oct 2011 12:50

^^^

Theory
i know one thing for sure if america,india attack Pakistan it will be the last great war the world will see of nukes exploding but one thing special about the Pakistani nuke is it will not just be thrown on india or u.s but also state of israel to finish the deadly alliance and then the whole world can welcome black rain i am sure no one in the world wants that a mutated world so attacking Pakistan is a mass suicide and usa keep saying pakistan is weak if we are u still need us u needed us in the great afghan soviet war if we are weak why not attack us they now they cant win for 10 years usa is in afghanistan and losing against bunch of guys with only ak47

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Oct 2011 14:42

The Pakistani media is fluctuating between nationalistic(lower limit) and jingoistic(upper limits). They know they need Unkil's benevolence for running their house. Logically there is only one play left for Pakistan to play. To play dead or be dead. Pakistanis are experts in deception and subterfuge. They will play dead to make sure the heat is off and then strike. I would not be surprised if a nuke blows off in Pakistan to change the current world dynamics. The world will sympathize with Pakistan and shower aid. Our own wkk will send train loads of aid to Pakistan. The drone attack will cease automatically along with threatening rhetoric from some quarters. Pakistan may loose some 2-5 hundred thousand abduls and ayeshas but they will die for a better cause for their country. They will stop their brothers from being killed by drones and will also bring tons of money into military coffers as well as replenish food and oil supplies for nange bhooke pakis.This scenario can unfold any time in the near future. Yo have heard it first on BRF.

member_19648 · Post by **member_19648** » 14 Oct 2011 15:07

Altair wrote:The Pakistani media is fluctuating between nationalistic(lower limit) and jingoistic(upper limits). They know they need Unkil's benevolence for running their house. Logically there is only one play left for Pakistan to play. To play dead or be dead. Pakistanis are experts in deception and subterfuge. They will play dead to make sure the heat is off and then strike. I would not be surprised if a nuke blows off in Pakistan to change the current world dynamics. The world will sympathize with Pakistan and shower aid. Our own wkk will send train loads of aid to Pakistan. The drone attack will cease automatically along with threatening rhetoric from some quarters. Pakistan may loose some 2-5 hundred thousand abduls and ayeshas but they will die for a better cause for their country. They will stop their brothers from being killed by drones and will also bring tons of money into military coffers as well as replenish food and oil supplies for nange bhooke pakis.This scenario can unfold any time in the near future. Yo have heard it first on BRF.

Too much optimism eh! or maybe you are giving the Generals too much credit, mostly they can blow hot and blow cold, then sacrifice some of the Haqqani puppets, do counter damage to themselves, cry like a girl, get some all round kudos, promise from Uncle for big $$ and al(r)ms to keep up the good work, then spring up another Haqqani and get back to work. Same old story, only new characters!

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Oct 2011 15:42

Ivanev wrote: Too much optimism eh! or maybe you are giving the Generals too much credit, mostly they can blow hot and blow cold, then sacrifice some of the Haqqani puppets, do counter damage to themselves, cry like a girl, get some all round kudos, promise from Uncle for big $$ and al(r)ms to keep up the good work, then spring up another Haqqani and get back to work. Same old story, only new characters!

I give credit where it is due. If it is giving a credit to a Pakistani General that he can blow up a nuke inside his own compound and kill half a million pushtoons in process,then he deserves the credit. They did slaughter million Bangladeshis who were compatriots before 71. They are slaughtering Balochis in thousands. I do not think a Pakistani General will even blink an eyelid if nuking Quetta will give him couple of billion dollars in foreign aid and stop drone attacks.
It is a totally different way of thinking. Not everybody will agree but it is how a Pakistani General will think. I am simply imitating the mentality.

The price for continuing its current "story" is too high for Pakistan.Pakistan simply cannot afford to play the double game any more. Its bluff has been called after the Shiekh's capture and it is being exposed more and more everyday. India knows this. It is one of the reason why we signed the agreement with Afghans.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Oct 2011 16:48

IPL says no to Pakistani players

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 14 Oct 2011 17:20

Haqqanis are not two-bit operators but a criminal empire with a family-based leadership. If they choose to fight to the last man, they can decide to outlast Unkil, especially with ISI support. But if Siraj and his bros are taken out, remaining elders would likely sue for peace because they are more warlords than jihadis. It is the younger generation that has taken the clan in an Al Qaeda direction.

My guess is that Unkil will try to decapitate Siraj and his brothers. Unlike Mullah Omar, the Haqqani leadership is closer to the field and therefore more susceptible to Dronacharya.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 14 Oct 2011 17:29

BTW, one more dronacharya hit has been reported in the same village Danday Darpa Khel. This village, not Miramshah, is supposed to be the actual nerve center of the Haqqanis because they moved all their women and children here and the men have to visit here occassionally to deliver money, conjugal stuff etc. By attacking here, Unkil is taking the gloves (and Pak shalwars) off because there is a higher risk of collateral damage.

atma · Post by **atma** » 14 Oct 2011 18:33

Rangudu wrote:BTW, one more dronacharya hit has been reported in the same village Danday Darpa Khel. This village, not Miramshah, is supposed to be the actual nerve center of the Haqqanis because they moved all their women and children here and the men have to visit here occassionally to deliver money, conjugal stuff etc. By attacking here, Unkil is taking the gloves (and Pak shalwars) off because there is a higher risk of collateral damage.

Some details here:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-missile-kills- ... 45760.html

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 14 Oct 2011 18:36

Altair wrote:IPL says no to Pakistani players

Where is the news, Sir?

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 14 Oct 2011 18:51

2,000 people attend Zadran's funeral

Clearly this guy was no bakra. Jan Baz Zadran was reportedly the man who connected the Haqqani family to the local politicians, mullahs and of course TSPA in North Waziristan. He was not a combat commander, similar to what Hafiz Saeed is for pigLeT but he was a well known figure locally as can be seen from the crowds. They also took out the local madrassa head who was clearly supplying cannon fodder.

By taking out this guy and that too in that location, Unkil is sending a clear signal that anyone of importance even remotely tied to the Haqqanis cannot come out in public without fear of eating a Hellfire meal. Even hiding among their women is not going to help. No more public

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Oct 2011 19:12

milindc wrote:
Altair wrote:IPL says no to Pakistani players

Where is the news, Sir?

Pakistan players not allowed in IPL again
IPL says no to Pakistani players

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 19:31

In his memoirs he talks about being there to question (interrogate is too strong) the captured Indian pilots and was surprised that they recognised him and acknowledged his contributions to advancing the jet age. However he was sneering in his attitude towards India and IAF ilots. He was on his own paki high! Maybe he turned native afterall.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 19:34

So Rangudu how many people are there in the Hackany network? Or in Sholay words "Kitne aadmi te?"
Obviously they have 2000 adherents who showed up at the funeral. Should have droned it too or sent a JADAM.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Oct 2011 19:35

Yeager was fighting the great anti-communist crusade and indians were collateral damage

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Oct 2011 19:40

Altair wrote:The Pakistani media is fluctuating between nationalistic(lower limit) and jingoistic(upper limits). They know they need Unkil's benevolence for running their house. Logically there is only one play left for Pakistan to play. To play dead or be dead. Pakistanis are experts in deception and subterfuge. They will play dead to make sure the heat is off and then strike. I would not be surprised if a nuke blows off in Pakistan to change the current world dynamics. The world will sympathize with Pakistan and shower aid. Our own wkk will send train loads of aid to Pakistan. The drone attack will cease automatically along with threatening rhetoric from some quarters. Pakistan may loose some 2-5 hundred thousand abduls and ayeshas but they will die for a better cause for their country. They will stop their brothers from being killed by drones and will also bring tons of money into military coffers as well as replenish food and oil supplies for nange bhooke pakis.This scenario can unfold any time in the near future. Yo have heard it first on BRF.

Altair the only way for Pakistan to de-nuke themselves with honor and without loss of face is to nuke themselves. Good idea.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 14 Oct 2011 19:41

US drone attack kills four in Pakistan: officials

MIRAMSHAH, Pakistan: A US drone strike killed four militants in northwestern Pakistan on Friday, the third such attack in 48 hours against Taliban hotbeds in Waziristan near the Afghan border, officials said.

The drone fired two missiles into a vehicle as it drove through Darpa Khel village about four kilometres (two miles) west of Miramshah, the main town in the district of North Waziristan, the Pakistani security officials told AFP.

“The US drone fired two missiles,” one of the officials told AFP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to talk to the media.

“Four militants were killed in the attack, they were all in the vehicle,” he added.

The identities of the dead were not clear, but the village is a stronghold for militants fighting against US troops in Afghanistan.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Oct 2011 19:41

Rangudu wrote:BTW, one more dronacharya hit has been reported in the same village Danday Darpa Khel. This village, not Miramshah, is supposed to be the actual nerve center of the Haqqanis because they moved all their women and children here and the men have to visit here occassionally to deliver money, conjugal stuff etc. By attacking here, Unkil is taking the gloves (and Pak shalwars) off because there is a higher risk of collateral damage.

I saw that in today's paper. Two guys were taken out in a village/town street.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 20:28

Two comments on the article posted by Acharay at top of this page

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com ... g-for-war/

...So, even as Pakistan's generals are hesitant to step up their campaigns against militants, or allow the United States to handle the problem alone, they are uninterested in further provocations with the Americans...

Thus, Pakistani officials routinely spoke out against the U.S. drone program and the like, but never did anything to stop it. (In fact, the government and military even approved the strikes and leaders of at least three major mainstream parties privately confide that drones are effective.)

The US drone strikes are a way for the TSP to outsource the job to US with palusible deniablity. This way they take money from US and still make the US do the heavy work of neutralizing the threats to the TSP. Having the cake and eating it too.

Or another way is its US baksheesh to be allowed to kill the terrorists in TSP using drones. Or bigger picture the jihadis escaped the killing fieldsof Afghanistan in 2001 to die in the badlands of FATA/WANA from US drone strikes facilitated by TSP.

Second comment:

...To prevent such a break, Pakistan will need to address its political dysfunction at its root: the imbalance between the government and the military. Fixing that would be exceedingly difficult, since it would require finding some solution to the Kashmir problem and reigning in domestic terrorism, but it needs to happen.

So it all comes back to give us Cash mere. Well one thing that TSP has to understand the only remaining solution to Kashmir is when do they propose to vacate the part occupied by them since 1947?

Seeing the downward trajectory of TSP, its unconscionable on India's part to let the TSP have the rest of Kashmir as that would be subjecting the people to a fate worse then death.

No power on earth or heaven can or will make modern India give up Kashmir to TSP. The reasons are too many to list here.

So if they understand this they will better their society and down size their parasitic military which like the proverbial Praetorian guard is consuming the resources dry. It neither offers security nor comfort. On the other hand it breeds the very terrorists that endanger TSP.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 14 Oct 2011 20:52

Rangudu wrote: By attacking here, Unkil is taking the gloves (and Pak shalwars) off because there is a higher risk of collateral damage.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 14 Oct 2011 21:10

Rangudu wrote: By attacking here, Unkil is taking the gloves (and Pak shalwars) off because there is a higher risk of collateral damage.

This is a major escalation point from Unkils side. I am interested to see how Pakistanis react.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 21:19

Rangudu, The 2000 attend Zadaran funeral is misperception. The 2000 attended the funeral of Maulana Ifthekar one of the others killed. It wasn't for Janbaz Zadaran. So something is wrong.

Ramachandran Subramanian · Post by **Ramachandran Subramanian** » 14 Oct 2011 21:22

Here is a video from Australian channel about Osama's Killing. It is funny yet thoughtful. I enjoyed it, and hope a few of you might too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGdUzNVN ... re=related

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 14 Oct 2011 21:59

Ramana

There are probably up to 10k fighters in the Haqqani group, with ~1k-2k really hardened i.e. non-cannon fodder types, including a few hundred non-locals (Arabs, Central Asians, Pakjabis/LeT/TSPA). The funeral crowd looked like madrassa kids and local aam-Abdul beards than serious fighters, although reports say some "arab fighters" did show up.

Next up for the US would be to bomb meeting between Haqqani-linked ppl and local politicians and ISI types. That will surely cause some wet shalwars.

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 14 Oct 2011 22:01

Ramana,

A respected and well connected source tells me that Jan Baz was also buried along with the maulvi, but all press people were instructed not to say as such. The crowd was for Jan Baz also.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 14 Oct 2011 22:02

Lalmohan wrote:Yeager was fighting the great anti-communist crusade and indians were collateral damage

they should interview him now and ask what he thinks of his friends.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Oct 2011 22:12

Rangudu wrote:Haqqanis are not two-bit operators but a criminal empire with a family-based leadership. If they choose to fight to the last man, they can decide to outlast Unkil, especially with ISI support. But if Siraj and his bros are taken out, remaining elders would likely sue for peace because they are more warlords than jihadis. It is the younger generation that has taken the clan in an Al Qaeda direction.

My guess is that Unkil will try to decapitate Siraj and his brothers. Unlike Mullah Omar, the Haqqani leadership is closer to the field and therefore more susceptible to Dronacharya.

When will the Dronacharys start taking out ISI officals hobnobbing with Hackneys? I am waiting for that day.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 22:21

So Hackany 10K+ and Quetta Shura 25+ is total Taliban miscreants?

How many are good out of this?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Oct 2011 22:31

ramana wrote: So it all comes back to give us Cash mere. Well one thing that TSP has to understand the only remaining solution to Kashmir is when do they propose to vacate the part occupied by them since 1947?

Seeing the downward trajectory of TSP, its unconscionable on India's part to let the TSP have the rest of Kashmir as that would be subjecting the people to a fate worse then death.

No power on earth or heaven can or will make modern India give up Kashmir to TSP. The reasons are too many to list here.

So if they understand this they will better their society and down size their parasitic military which like the proverbial Praetorian guard is consuming the resources dry. It neither offers security nor comfort. On the other hand it breeds the very terrorists that endanger TSP.

I think GoI should start spreading this information far and wide in Western circles.

- That Pakistan is the terror hub of the world and breeding ground for future terrorists.

- That it is not in the interest of the world to give unnecessary concessions (than they already have) w.r.t Cash-mere. In fact India would be doing the world a favor by taking off PoK+NA from Pakistan. This would achieve (a) save millions of poverty ridden south-asians away from terrorism. (b) cut-off TSP terror infra from CAR and China regions (this should be the point in SCC.

- By denying access to PoK, Pakistan will not have to worry about India problem as there is no remaining issue with India, thus Pakistan's eastern borders are secure from any potential Indian aggression

(No cash-mere, no need for India to threaten Pakistan). This might give the much needed reason for Pakistan to shed its nuclear ambitions.

- A Peaceful Indo-Pak border will allow Pakistan to focus on its internal development.

- J&K in complete control of India means alternative logistics route to Afghanistan theater for securing and rebuilding Afghanistan.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 14 Oct 2011 22:33

ramana wrote:So Hackany 10K+ and Quetta Shura 25+ is total Taliban miscreants?

How many are good out of this?

Thanks for the setup. The answer of course is: The dead ones.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 22:44

SSridhar, I was thinking that the TSPA provides a channel/avenue for the more educated/higher IQ jihadis and those who don't make the cut become non-uniformed jihadis and cannon fodder.

Joseph · Post by **Joseph** » 14 Oct 2011 23:04

Rangudu wrote:
Next up for the US would be to bomb meeting between Haqqani-linked ppl and local politicians and ISI types. That will surely cause some wet shalwars.

Do you expect the ISI field agents to become more cautious - restrained meeting with Haqqani types so they don't become collateral damage of a drone strike?

The ISI - PA hasn't done anything visible to support the Haqqanis beyond shuffling them to different areas. The U.S. has increased the pace against the Haqqanis and the Pakistani military complains about Pakistani H&D, but doesn't act against the drones.

The Haqqani group must have tremendous faith in the ISI - PA since they are the ones taking the losses and not the ISI - PA.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Oct 2011 23:22

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Cyberwar ... 7627.shtml
Al Kitab based Cyberwar School Opens in Pakistan to Protect from Indian Attacks

Pakistan is preparing a military school that will focus on teaching students how to protect the country against cyberattacks coming from India and Israel.
According to Cyberwarzone, the school will be opened in 2012 and it will admit 30 scholars which will learn everything there is to know about cyber warfare in the course of four years.
By collaborating with NUST School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science, they will be taught how to break malicious codes and even how to mentally prepare for a potential virtual battle.“We... seek to nurture warriors to fight in cyber warfare amid growing cyber-terror threats from India, Israel and to secure a stable supply of specialists,' the army said in a statement. The military will pay tuition for the students who upon graduation will become army officers required to work in online warfare-related units for the following seven years,” revealed a NUST spokesman.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 23:30

Is a consonant misplaced. Should be M not N!

Also is Orwellian parody for most of the computer viruses in from 1985s thru end of 1990s were spread by TSP software hackers!

pgbhat · Post by **pgbhat** » 15 Oct 2011 03:47

A New Pakistan Policy: Containment ---- Bruce Reidel

It is time to move to a policy of containment, which would mean a more hostile relationship. But it should be a focused hostility, aimed not at hurting Pakistan’s people but at holding its army and intelligence branches accountable. When we learn that an officer from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, is aiding terrorism, whether in Afghanistan or India, we should put him on wanted lists, sanction him at the United Nations and, if he is dangerous enough, track him down. Putting sanctions on organizations in Pakistan has not worked in the past, but sanctioning individuals has — as the nuclear proliferator Abdul Qadeer Khan could attest.

Offering Pakistan more trade while reducing aid makes sense. When we extend traditional aid, media outlets with ties to the ISI cite the aid to weave conspiracy theories that alienate Pakistanis from us. Mr. Obama should instead announce that he is cutting tariffs on Pakistani textiles to or below the level that India and China enjoy; that would strengthen entrepreneurs and women, two groups who are outside the army’s control and who are interested in peace.

Military assistance to Pakistan should be cut deeply. Regular contacts between our officers and theirs can continue, but under no delusion that we are allies.

Strategic dialogue with India about Pakistan is essential because it would focus the Pakistani Army’s mind. India and Pakistan are trying to improve trade and transportation links severed after they became independent in 1947, and we should encourage that. We should also increase intelligence cooperation against terrorist targets in Pakistan. And we should encourage India to be more conciliatory on Kashmir, by easing border controls and releasing prisoners.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Oct 2011 03:53

So a nation which supposedly makes it's own nukes and missiles can't even make its own roads? Earlier we learnt that it can't make its railway locomotive either!

Chinese firm to construct 130 km portion of Super Highway at cost of Rs 6.3 Bn:NA told

ISLAMABAD, Oct. 12 (APP): Parliamentary Secretary for Communication Ch. Saeed Iqbal on Wednesday informed the National Assembly that a Chinese company would construct 130 kilometer portion of Super Highway from Karachi to Punjab at a cost of Rs 6.3 billion.Responding to a calling attention notice of Nawab Abdul Ghani Talpur and others regarding dilapidated condition of bridges and Super Highway from Karachi to Punjab, he said, Chinese grant and workers of the company had
reached Pakistan and work on it would be started soon. He said that the Ministry of Communication has also taken a grant of Rs 3.1 billion from Asian Development Bank for repair and construction of the road.He said the recent rains and flood in Sindh has badly damaged the roads and bridges in Sindh , however, he added that patch work on the Super Highway was in progress. He said after calling its tenders construction and repair work would be started soon.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2011 04:24

Reidel wants the Indo-Afghan Pact like pact with US!

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Oct 2011 05:02

Dipanker wrote:So a nation which supposedly makes it's own nukes and missiles can't even make its own roads? Earlier we learnt that it can't make its railway locomotive either!

Chinese firm to construct 130 km portion of Super Highway at cost of Rs 6.3 Bn:NA told
ISLAMABAD, Oct. 12 (APP): Parliamentary Secretary for Communication Ch. Saeed Iqbal on Wednesday informed the National Assembly that a Chinese company would construct 130 kilometer portion of Super Highway from Karachi to Punjab at a cost of Rs 6.3 billion.Responding to a calling attention notice of Nawab Abdul Ghani Talpur and others regarding dilapidated condition of bridges and Super Highway from Karachi to Punjab, he said, Chinese grant and workers of the company had reached Pakistan and work on it would be started soon. He said that the Ministry of Communication has also taken a grant of Rs 3.1 billion from Asian Development Bank for repair and construction of the road.He said the recent rains and flood in Sindh has badly damaged the roads and bridges in Sindh , however, he added that patch work on the Super Highway was in progress. He said after calling its tenders construction and repair work would be started soon.

Let me stick my neck out (not much) and state that this report is a lie. No such thing will happen. Those Chinese workers have not reached Pakistan. Please call me out on this in a few weeks and tell me I was wrong.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 15 Oct 2011 05:22

The lack of attention to the Pakistan railway system suggests that the Pakistan army does not see the Railways as a strategic transport system. Pakistan had US constructed motorways and the army owns the National Logistics Cell - which is the biggest trucking company in Pakistan.

The idea that China can build a railway from Gwadar to wherever is also a lie because China will have to rebuild Pakistan's decrepit railway system. A lot of statements made in the Pakistani press about announcements made in "parliament" or in the "senate" are expansive bluster by feudal lords ("politicians") who are either trying to "improve Pakistan's image" or who have struck a business deal that will earn them billions in kickbacks from a project that will never be completed.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 15 Oct 2011 06:52

You do have a point, apparently Paki have just 6 locomotives for freight trains! That is for the whole nation of Paki. Simply amazing! I bet Somalia has more!

Pakistan railway mess

He said there are only 96 locomotives for passengers and six for freight trains. Out of these 50 are out of order which is greatly affecting the work of Pakistan Railways.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 15 Oct 2011 06:58

IIRC, paki and chini rail gauges are different.