India-US Strategic News and Discussion

subodh · Post by **subodh** » 13 Oct 2011 23:08

Ramana - re US strategic thought

Very well put. Just reading about Alfred Mahan is eye opening - it exactly dovetails with what you say. By 1890, he had US naval doctrine figured out in deep detailed thought - to an extent that even today, the core principles still guide their world view and strategic operations.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Oct 2011 23:29

Murugan wrote:
We need to recognise that Big Government and Big Business are twin dangers for average citizens. India faces both and they are two asuras we need to guard against. The Leftists in the National Advisory Council want all families to be nationalised and governed by a Big State and reform marketers of the CII variety want Big Business to flourish under crony capitalism. Beware of the twin evils since both look upon India as a charity house or as a market and not as an ancient civilisation.

http://www.firstpost.com/world/why-the- ... 82.html#en

Very perspective

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Oct 2011 03:51

Amber G. wrote:India-U.S. Higher Education Summit kicks off

From SOS Clinton's remarks..

And there are so many wonderful stories. I’m sure many of you could tell your own, but I want to end with this one because it really hits close to home in an area that I care deeply about.

A few years ago, a small group of American and Indian classmates at Stanford University decided to work together to build a better baby incubator. Four hundred and fifty premature and low-weight babies die every hour, and traditional baby incubators can cost as much as $20,000. So the students developed the Embrace baby warmer, a portable incubator for use in poor and rural areas that doesn’t require electricity and only costs around $100.

After graduating from Stanford, this Indian and American team moved to Bangalore to continue working on their idea and launched their project. And it’s now in use in hospitals in India and saving babies’ lives. Their goal is to save 100,000 babies by 2013.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Oct 2011 06:03

Will post in Education dhaga too... (NY Times story)
Squeezed Out in India, Students Turn to U.S.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Oct 2011 08:05

http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/pr ... ississippi

Prom Night In Mississippi Synopsis
In 1970, the town of Charleston, Mississippi, allowed black students into their white high school, but refused to integrate the senior prom. Twenty-seven years later, Charleston resident and Academy Award - winning actor Morgan Freeman offered to finance the prom - under the condition it be integrated. His offer was ignored. In 2008, Freeman made the offer again. This time the school board accepted, and history was made.

PROM NIGHT IN MISSISSIPPI traces the tumultuous events leading up to Charleston's first integrated prom through intimate conversations with students, families, faculty members and Freeman himself. As the film unfolds, we delve deeply into the heated race issues that tear apart this tiny community, and realize that this troubling segregation has less to do with the students than their parents. Ultimately, PROM NIGHT IN MISSISSIPPI captures a big moment in a small town, where hope finally blossoms in black, white and a whole lot of taffeta.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 14 Oct 2011 09:42

US: Students demand suspended Indian-American prof (Angana Chaterjee)be reinstated

Shapiro, the head of the department, and Chatterji, co-convener of the International People's Tribunal on human rights in Kashmir [ Images ], have reportedly been suspended following complaints from students. Chatterji, an Indian-American scholar is noted for her opposition to religious nationalism.

There are also rumours doing the rounds that Shapiro and Chatterji could have been suspended for their work on Kashmir. However, there is no confirmation on the same.

Though students said the professors were suspended since July 19, Jim Martin, director of communications at Continental Institute of International Studies, a private university, told rediff.com that the duo were on paid leave. "Lot of misinformation is going on about the issue. The work of the professors as regards to the Kashmir issue has nothing to do with this action. In fact the institute had only supported their work on Kashmir," he said.
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/us-st ... 111013.htm

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 14 Oct 2011 12:20

angana went to a Fai organized conference, at least that is what the other article about Fai has reported. So she is linked to fai and all.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Oct 2011 13:27

ramana wrote:
The US started right after the end of Civil war on its journey to become a superpower with care and delibration.

i agree. if you look at the US handling of WW2, they were determined at the end of it that no european power would be able to stand on the world stage on their own. the pacific fleet was built above and beyond anything else ever seen on the planet as a deliberate act of dominance. all through the war, the US (particularly in the pacific theatre) ensured that britain could not play a major role and sidelined british and australian forces to the peripheries unless unavoidable. their policy on india was to ensure that britain lost control, whilst they hoped to gain control of china (the irony being lost on them). in japan and germany, they ensured that what ever rose from the ashes was utterly beholden to the american dream

the cold war years were also quite deliberate and assertive. perhaps its only now that we might be seeing a mellowing.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 18:48

Lalmulla, I knew I would draw you out of L&M den.

Not only that China was their munna from 1850s. The whole US policy towards Asia was with China as the centerpiece of their actions. Mao's takeover was the "dal me kaala!" But then there is a theory that even that was allowed to ensure China's consolidation to match Indian states integration with independent British India. Recall the George Marshall's visit to pre-Mao China and US withdrawing support to Chang Kai Shek. The inumerable debates on who lost China and whether it was lost?

One of the key rule in a game is to know that you are in a game. Unfortunately India and Indians don't know this.

You should post more often.

The onus is on those who know or in position to know to spread the knowledge.

Thats the dharmic way.

Garooda · Post by **Garooda** » 14 Oct 2011 19:50

ramana wrote:Lalmulla, I knew I would draw you out of L&M den.
You should post more often.
The onus is on those who know or in position to know to spread the knowledge.
Thats the dharmic way.

There was a link on BR for a book named 'The Great Chess Game' which I believe was written way back in time.

If someone can re-post the link then that would be great.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 20:12

Its by Zig Brezenski and the title is "Grand Chessboard". It gives US centric view of the Central Asia. To really get th flavor one needs to go to the original guru Mackinder and then on to Zibg's puny effort and then on to Robert Kaplan.

All these land favored books are out of date as the sea dominates in the industrial age and thanks to Islam the people of Central Asia are frozen in mind and also believe the world owes them a living or they will do a razza.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 14 Oct 2011 20:29

One should read Monroe doctrine to understand american foreign policy in 19th & 20th century.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Oct 2011 22:00

Sushupti wrote: http://www.rediff.com/news/report/us-st ... 111013.htm

Me thinks these 2 scums must have bilked millions...

All the terrorist forums err... Human Rights forums are on a war path.

http://www.humanrights.asia/news/urgent ... C-206-2011

Professor Angana Chatterji and Professor Richard Shapiro concerning acts of persecution by the California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) against the two professors. It is alleged that the two world renowned academics who have devoted considerable time in their fight against injustices are facing the wrath of the institution where they teach, since the management of the CIIS is allegedly displeased of the two teachers trying to help the voiceless and/or minority communities.

Anthropology students are seen as "too political" (and described as "cultish") when demanding and exercising their rights within the Institute. Students believe that members of the Administration blame Shapiro and Chatterji for the students' politicization. A recent rumour circulated that if Chatterji and Shapiro left, the place would be exorcised.

Arundhati Roy's benefit in solidarity with the IPTK's work in March 2010, which was used to institute the Peace and Justice Grant for Scholarship and the Arts in Indian-Administered Kashmir, was excitedly supported by CIIS's President, who also agreed to house the fund at CIIS. Just over six months later (Nov. 9, 2009) and with a new Vice President of Finance, the President stated it would no longer be possible due to international regulations. To date, the money has remained untouched.

These scums dip their hands in the pockets of every shadowy place. They are having great Hafta business.

http://kashmirwatch.com/news.php/2011/1 ... ct-15.html
You scratch my back. I will scratch your back.

.: News
Event: Protest at CIIS on Oct 15
Date: 14 Oct 2011

Event: Protest at CIIS on Oct 15

PROTEST AT CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF INTEGRAL STUDIES ON 10/15

DEMANDING REINSTATEMENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY DEPARTMENT CHAIR RICHARD SHAPIRO AND ANGANA CHATTERJI, CO-CONVENER OF THE INTERNATIONAL PEOPLE’S TRIBUNAL ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND JUSTICE IN INDIAN-ADMINISTERED KASHMIR

WHAT:

Protest demanding the immediate reinstatement of scholar-activists, Professor Angana Chatterji (Co-convener of the International People’s Tribunal on Human Rights and Justice in Indian-Administered Kashmir), and Professor Richard Shapiro (Department Chair).

WHO:

Students, alumni, faculty, and friends in support of the only two full-time core faculty in the Social and Cultural Anthropology Department.

WHEN & WHERE:

Saturday, October 15th, 2011 @ 9:00 AM

California Institute of Integral Studies (CIIS) - 1453 Mission Street, San Francisco CA (USA)

WHY:

Students of the Social and Cultural Anthropology Department at CIIS are enraged by the suspension of two highly distinguished professors, Richard Shapiro and Angana Chatterji. Since their suspension on July 19th, 2011 by CIIS Administration, the proceedings and treatment have had detrimental effects on the scholarly and advocacy work of both professors and students. Details of the allegations have not been revealed to the students, and a gag order has been imposed on the two professors. However, members of the CIIS administration have publicly aired their version of the facts as if they were uncontested. Further information will be available at the protest.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 22:25

There was an US 'academic' who got deported along with Ms Chatterji from Delhi airport. Was that Shapiro?

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 14 Oct 2011 22:29

ramana wrote:There was an US 'academic' who got deported along with Ms Chatterji from Delhi airport. Was that Shapiro?

Shapiro is the husband of Angana Chatterji and they hunt in pairs. Yes, he was deported in Nov 2010 from Delhi airport.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2011 22:41

No wonder they both got canned from the CIIS institute.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 14 Oct 2011 22:45

Shapiro got put back on the return flight same evening because he violated the terms of his tourist visa. AC is Indian and a US green card holder so they could not pack her off.

Shapiro will now never be able to get an Indian visa. OTOH, it would be interesting to see if AC has undeclared assets in India. It would greatly interest the IRS.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 14 Oct 2011 22:47

I was under the impression this Shopiro is not the hubby but live in partner. This kaddoo is enjoying Zar-Zoru laddoo in both hands.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 14 Oct 2011 22:54

It may be worth an update on the wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angana_P._Chatterji

to reflect the deportation of RS and her own run in with tribals in Orissa where she had to be rescued from them because they got very suspicious of her motives.

Stan_Savljevic · Post by **Stan_Savljevic** » 14 Oct 2011 22:54

Many newspapers called him husband then. May be all same infected source.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 14 Oct 2011 23:11

Poetic Justice

That lady was regular in Kashmir-orgy meetings in Bayarea and used to call Hindus names. In one of meetings our banner outside was, "Terrorists are here!". Now it is good riddance that terrorist is getting shipped back.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 14 Oct 2011 23:12

This CON duo are using the students as a fodder to their looting jobs.

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 101110.htm

Hardly 10 people. they are all their students.

They bilk ISI and other anti-Indian US interest groups.

hnair · Post by **hnair** » 15 Oct 2011 00:01

Stan_Savljevic wrote: Shapiro is the husband of Angana Chatterji and they hunt in pairs. Yes, he was deported in Nov 2010 from Delhi airport.

"Life partner" aint it? Probably he is keeping his options open on which genetically engineered genocide to mooch off. Cashmere seems to be slim pickings recently

May be a fallout from the arrest of that fluffy ISI pet, Fai-fai. IIRC, she is the one who conjured up the issue of "70,000 unmarked graves in Kashmir" two years back and which recently seem to acquire new chaddi-twist torque.

That "Stop Persecution of our praphasaars" label they slapped on to their student-hostages' foreheads is priceless......

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Oct 2011 01:12

Stan_Savljevic wrote:Many newspapers called him husband then. May be all same infected source.

He is, because I said so

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Oct 2011 04:47

Lalmohan, Try to read "After the Reich" by Giles Macdonald. See how many POWs and civilians died.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Oct 2011 06:45

With contrrol over commodoties like food, energy, medicine as well finnance plus "information" or knowledge etc will soon give rise to a Global Reich . Instead of Germany alone, now big chunck of Globe is falling victim to the similar pre WW2 forces which gave rise to Papa Hitler.

Abhi_G · Post by **Abhi_G** » 15 Oct 2011 08:11

SwamyG wrote:
Stan_Savljevic wrote:Many newspapers called him husband then. May be all same infected source.
He is, because I said so

SwamyG, another family network you might consider interesting (unless it is already there in your list) is the current Bose family. The line is that of Sarat Bose, elder brother SCB. SCB's line is in Germany.

Sugata Bose - prof at Harvard, partner/husband of Ayesha Jalal (Jinnah biographer) who is also friend of Jaswant Singh (Jinnah biographer).
Sarmila Bose - prof at Oxford, her research results show that the pakee genocide in b'desh in 1971 is false.
Sumantra Bose - prof at London School of Economics, author of contested lands doing equal equal between palestine, bosnia and Kashmir.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 15 Oct 2011 14:50

America Learn from India, put economics in foreign policy: Hillary Clinton

The United States should take a cue from the leaders of emerging powers like India and Brazil who put economics at the centre of their foreign policies, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has urged policymakers. "When their leaders approach a foreign policy challenge -- just as when they approach a domestic challenge -- one of the first questions they ask is, 'how will this affect our economic growth?'" she told the Economic Club of New York in what was billed as a major economics and foreign policy speech.

DDM strikes again.

Kiloton says BRICs and DDM says India.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 15 Oct 2011 18:28

ramana wrote:Lalmohan, Try to read "After the Reich" by Giles Macdonald. See how many POWs and civilians died.

will try to, but yes am aware of the deaths. lots of german pows were kept in open fields for weeks - many died of exposure and preventable diseases. given the state of german infrastructure and the refugee chaos, there were bound to be massive deaths, not just in germany but all over europe. all the children of that era have diseases from malnutrition that persist into their old age

that said, no one was crying over the german or japanese deaths, given what they had been doing to their enemies. recently i googled "ukraine + nazis" for images - i recommend it for anyone who doesnt know much about nazi atrocities.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 15 Oct 2011 19:15

Abhi_G wrote:
SwamyG wrote:

SwamyG, another family network you might consider interesting (unless it is already there in your list) is the current Bose family. The line is that of Sarat Bose, elder brother SCB. SCB's line is in Germany.

Sugata Bose - prof at Harvard, partner/husband of Ayesha Jalal (Jinnah biographer) who is also friend of Jaswant Singh (Jinnah biographer).
Sarmila Bose - prof at Oxford, her research results show that the pakee genocide in b'desh in 1971 is false.
Sumantra Bose - prof at London School of Economics, author of contested lands doing equal equal between palestine, bosnia and Kashmir.

Progeny of Mahatma Gandhi are of the same orientation. This stuff is not genetic

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 15 Oct 2011 19:52

What is this "Occupy wall street" is about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15319924

Organisers expect rallies in 82 countries, with the action due to come full circle in New York.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 15 Oct 2011 20:43

Google "occupy" in google news

something is cooking in large scale (?!)

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 15 Oct 2011 20:46

Murugan wrote:Google "occupy" in google news

something is cooking in large scale (?!)

New World Order. Its almost time

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 15 Oct 2011 20:49

Abhi: Thanks I will add them.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 15 Oct 2011 21:04

Occupy Wall Street

http://blackstarnews.com/news/135/ARTIC ... 10-15.html

Pranay · Post by **Pranay** » 16 Oct 2011 00:03

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/opini ... nt.html?hp

AMERICA needs a new policy for dealing with Pakistan. First, we must recognize that the two countries’ strategic interests are in conflict, not harmony, and will remain that way as long as Pakistan’s army controls Pakistan’s strategic policies. We must contain the Pakistani Army’s ambitions until real civilian rule returns and Pakistanis set a new direction for their foreign policy.

As Adm. Mike Mullen, then the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Senate committee last month, Pakistan provides critical sanctuary and support to the Afghan insurgency that we are trying to suppress. Taliban leaders meet under Pakistani protection even as we try to capture or kill them.

In 2009, I led a policy review for President Obama on Pakistan and Afghanistan. At the time, Al Qaeda was operating with virtual impunity in Pakistan, and its ally Lashkar-e-Taiba had just attacked the Indian city of Mumbai and killed at least 163 people, including 6 Americans, with help from Pakistani intelligence. Under no illusions, Mr. Obama tried to improve relations with Pakistan by increasing aid and dialogue; he also expanded drone operations to fight terrorist groups that Pakistan would not fight on its own.

It was right to try engagement, but now the approach needs reshaping. We will have to persevere in Afghanistan in the face of opposition by Pakistan.

The generals who run Pakistan have not abandoned their obsession with challenging India. They tolerate terrorists at home, seek a Taliban victory in Afghanistan and are building the world’s fastest-growing nuclear arsenal. They have sidelined and intimidated civilian leaders elected in 2008. They seem to think Pakistan is invulnerable, because they control NATO’s supply line from Karachi to Kabul and have nuclear weapons.

The generals also think time is on their side — that NATO is doomed to give up in Afghanistan, leaving them free to act as they wish there. So they have concluded that the sooner America leaves, the better it will be for Pakistan. They want Americans and Europeans to believe the war is hopeless, so they encourage the Taliban and other militant groups to speed the withdrawal with spectacular attacks, like the Sept. 13 raid on the United States Embassy in Kabul, which killed 16 Afghan police officers and civilians.

It is time to move to a policy of containment, which would mean a more hostile relationship. But it should be a focused hostility, aimed not at hurting Pakistan’s people but at holding its army and intelligence branches accountable. When we learn that an officer from Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, is aiding terrorism, whether in Afghanistan or India, we should put him on wanted lists, sanction him at the United Nations and, if he is dangerous enough, track him down. Putting sanctions on organizations in Pakistan has not worked in the past, but sanctioning individuals has — as the nuclear proliferator Abdul Qadeer Khan could attest.

Offering Pakistan more trade while reducing aid makes sense. When we extend traditional aid, media outlets with ties to the ISI cite the aid to weave conspiracy theories that alienate Pakistanis from us. Mr. Obama should instead announce that he is cutting tariffs on Pakistani textiles to or below the level that India and China enjoy; that would strengthen entrepreneurs and women, two groups who are outside the army’s control and who are interested in peace.

Military assistance to Pakistan should be cut deeply. Regular contacts between our officers and theirs can continue, but under no delusion that we are allies.

Osama bin Laden’s death confirmed that we can’t rely on Pakistan to take out prominent terrorists on its soil. We will still need bases in Afghanistan from which to act when we see a threat in Pakistan. But drones should be used judiciously, for very important targets.

In Afghanistan, we should not have false hopes for a political solution. We can hope that top figures among the Quetta Shura — Afghan Taliban leaders who are sheltered in Quetta, Pakistan — will be delivered to the bargaining table, but that is unlikely, since the Quetta leadership assassinated Burhanuddin Rabbani, the leader of Afghanistan’s High Peace Council and a former Afghan president, last month. The ISI will veto any Taliban peace efforts it opposes, which means any it doesn’t control. Rather than hoping for ISI help, we need to continue to build an Afghan Army that can control the insurgency with long-term NATO assistance and minimal combat troops.

Strategic dialogue with India about Pakistan is essential because it would focus the Pakistani Army’s mind. India and Pakistan are trying to improve trade and transportation links severed after they became independent in 1947, and we should encourage that. We should also increase intelligence cooperation against terrorist targets in Pakistan. And we should encourage India to be more conciliatory on Kashmir, by easing border controls and releasing prisoners.

America and Pakistan have had a tempestuous relationship for decades. For far too long we have banked on the Pakistani Army to protect our interests. Now we need to contain that army’s aggressive instincts, while helping those who want a progressive Pakistan and keeping up the fight against terrorism.

Bruce O. Riedel, a former C.I.A. officer and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, is the author of “Deadly Embrace: Pakistan, America and the Future of the Global Jihad.”

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Oct 2011 01:02

Rudradev ji's astute observation that US continues to dangle Cashmere carrot in front of Pak's is proven above. US hasn't given up with the Cashmere card yet. they still think that this carrot can "mould" Pakis as they want them. as long as this is the case, India will never really feel "comfortable" with US.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 16 Oct 2011 10:13

I have been going through the "Occupy Wall Street" phenomenon and I observed two things.
1. There is no single leader or group who is rallying these people.
2. There are no list of demands per se
This is completely different from what we have seen in arab spring and color revolutions and I am still trying to figure out what exactly is going on!
Any theories?

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 17 Oct 2011 03:15

Is it really that different? It would have been hard to find one single leader in the early days of the Egyptian revolution also.

As for demands, I think it really is about regime change. Except the regime is not in D.C. It is in Wall Street.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 17 Oct 2011 04:17

Altair wrote:I have been going through the "Occupy Wall Street" phenomenon and I observed two things.
1. There is no single leader or group who is rallying these people.
2. There are no list of demands per se
This is completely different from what we have seen in arab spring and color revolutions and I am still trying to figure out what exactly is going on!
Any theories?

No major theory is required to explain this. Its those similar bunch of people who protest the annual meeting of G-7 or G-20. The numbers are bigger, probably due to bad economy. Unlike the tea party Nazis, these people don't have any institutional support, and will gradually fizzle away. Poor chaps are wasting their time.