Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Sep 22, 2011

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Oct 2011 09:40

shiv wrote:. But I was nevertheless puzzled by the behavior and words of people like Chuck Yeager, Brian Cloughley, Eric Margolis, John Fricker and even Christine Fair herself. But it was Fair who pointed out in the article about how Pakis negotiate that they inculcate a sense of "obligation".

Sometimes I wonder about Christine Fair.

I wonder if she hasn't seen through this, and isn't playing the obligation game back against the Pakis... particularly the RAPE-fied Hussain Haqqani type Pakis who are her sources and levers. Given the very, very strident positions she takes sometimes, seeming almost calculated to pi$$ off BRF-type Indians with her public pronouncements... it may all be a show to "oblige" a class of insider Pakis into taking her deeper into their confidence.

And being RAPE-fied, especially in their assumptions about gori wimmens... those Pakis may themselves not realize what is going on, as well as a shrewd Seraiki landlord might.

After all no one could out-do them at that game more efficiently than a gori wimmens turning their biradari-judo back against them.

Added later: one remembers her forthrightness, bordering on rudeness, with Arnab Goswami during the Times Now debate; compared with the flirty, flowery-Urdu-spouting persona she assumes on Pakistan TV. It is easy to assume that this is because she has personal animosity towards Indians and affection for Pakistanis. But maybe it is nothing of the sort. Maybe BOTH these are personas that she puts on with her obligation-game in mind; RAPEs of the Salman Tasseer variety would be as much "obligated" and charmed by her rudeness on Indian TV as by her courtesy on Paki TV.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Oct 2011 09:59

word on the street is us army is bringing in helicopters, M777s and establishing a lot OPs in the area where the pakis have been mortar firing them recently.

I expect a couple of FC camps will get wiped off the map soon as the next opportunity comes...

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Oct 2011 10:05

Son of slain governor alive: Pak

Nearly two months after Shahbaz Taseer, the son of slain Punjab Governor Salmaan Taseer was kidnapped, Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik today said he was alive and was being held near the border with Afghanistan.

“According to the latest information we have, he (Shahbaz) is somewhere on the border of Afghanistan. I can’t tell you more than this. We are tracking (him) and the information we have is that he is alive,” Malik said while speaking to reporters in the port city of Karachi.
Twenty-seven-year-old Taseer was kidnapped from Lahore on August 26 while he was driving to work.

Police had taken into custody a number of people but any significant breakthrough is yet to be made in the case.

Police had also taken into custody some associates of Mumtaz Qadri, the guard who gunned down Shahbaz’s father for his stand against the controversial blasphemy law.

Several police teams are working in collaboration with intelligence agencies on different leads in the case but have not had any success so far.

Not yet Wajib-ul-cutlet?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Oct 2011 10:05

^^ GD, Possibly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/world ... &ref=world

Recounts how over the past 6 months, US bases have been coming under increasing rocket fire from across Paki border in Paktika province. Across the Durand Line from Paktika is N. Waz.

Also there have been various passing reports about US choppers and even aircraft taking fire from Pakistani armed personnel, yet unable to retaliate because of ROE restrictions in Paki grid coordinates.

Probably US armed forces were prohibited from engaging the hostiles until overwhelming firepower could be brought into their AOR. And now it is being brought there

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 18 Oct 2011 10:07

Owing to something called Stockholm syndrome this guy will become cutlet maker

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 10:08

Generally, the contrast that Europeans, Americans (white) see in their treatment by the paki on one hand, and Indians on the other, is rather stark. The difference is, essentially between a slavish paki colonial people and a free Indian people who are three generations removed from colonial subjugation. Indians treating the white people as equal seem to them as being "rude".

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 10:12

rudra ji: I am wondering if the broad offensive by US/NATO/Afghan forces at the paki border is not a new policy now taking effect (post mullen, PM) Also, chk your email

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 18 Oct 2011 10:14

Rudradev wrote:^^ GD, Possibly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/world ... &ref=world

Recounts how over the past 6 months, US bases have been coming under increasing rocket fire from across Paki border in Paktika province. Across the Durand Line from Paktika is N. Waz.

Also there have been various passing reports about US choppers and even aircraft taking fire from Pakistani armed personnel, yet unable to retaliate because of ROE restrictions in Paki grid coordinates.

Probably US armed forces were prohibited from engaging the hostiles until overwhelming firepower could be brought into their AOR. And now it is being brought there

Well, maybe the NY Times didn't get the memo because their language sure doesn't reflect any such plans. One example, "attacks in Afghanistan from across or near the border with Pakistan", when they could have simply written "attacks in Afghanistan by Pakistan". US media is still infatuated with Pakistan and the tone in the articles reflects a marital dispute, not punishable treason.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 18 Oct 2011 10:17

Parsuram ji, received... thanks.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 10:48

Cross-border attacks from Pakistan on the rise: Pentagon

WASHINGTON: Cross-border attacks emanating from Pakistan against US-led forces in Afghanistan have increased since the US raid that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan, the Pentagon said Monday.

Asked if there was a recent rise in artillery or rocket fire across the border into Afghanistan, press secretary George Little told reporters in an email: “This summer, June-August, we did see an increase in cross border incidents.”

The Pentagon offered no other details and did not link the trend to the May raid by Navy SEAL commandos deep inside Pakistan that took out al Qaeda’s leader.

But US soldiers at bases in Afghanistan’s eastern Paktika province told the New York Times that rocket fire had dramatically increased from Pakistani territory since May.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 10:51

Pakistan wants a stronger navy

The Prime Minister asked the naval chief to continue the policy of induction of women as officers and sailors in the navy. He said his government did not believe in gender discrimination.

He also directed the admiral to encourage recruitment of Baloch youth in the navy, like the Pakistan Army that had recruited around 6,000 people from the province.

Gilani said the Pakistan Navy should open up recruitment centres, educational institutions and hospitals in remote and less developed areas of the country, especially in Balochistan, Sindh and southern Punjab.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 10:53

No alternative to cooperating with Pakistan: NATO chief

ISLAMABAD: Nato Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen urged Western governments to continue to work with Pakistan against extremists, according to a report published in The Financial Times on Tuesday.

His call comes amid growing US pressure for Pakistan to take action against militants, with specific regard to the Haqqani network.

Rasmussen was speaking at the World Affairs Council in Atlanta, USA. He declined to comment on Admiral Mike Mullen’s allegations that the Pakistan Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) was supporting the Haqqani network to battle US troops in Afghanistan.

Rasmussen told FT that despite questions raised by the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, he sees “no alternative” to co-operating with Pakistan in war against terrorism. Regarding the allegations, he said:

“Pakistan must deal with it and make sure terrorists don’t have safe havens in Pakistan, and we need a close partnership and a positive partnership with Pakistan.”

The Nato chief expressed appreciation for efforts so far by Pakistan’s military to fight militants in its border region with Afghanistan.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 18 Oct 2011 11:18

The difference is, essentially between a slavish paki colonial people and a free Indian people who are three generations removed from colonial subjugation. Indians treating the white people as equal seem to them as being "rude".[/quote]

These of course are the crude, shallow, superficial "whites" who happen to come to the subcontinent. The more deep thought, large hearted, intelligent, aware types don't feel such sentiments, and are able to appreciate the strong points of India, and of Indians, while noting the many problems. Also, the latter group are aware of the sensitivities of Indians on the issues of colonialism, Kashmir, racism etc.

The people you are referring to are a specific type of government representative, specific type of military official( not for example, General Eisenhower who was India-friendly) 2nd order journalists and people with a little education, demonstrating the old proverb "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing". Or in this case, an obnoxious or unsavoury thing.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Oct 2011 11:19

Dilbu wrote:No alternative to cooperating with Pakistan: NATO chief

Rasmussen told FT that despite questions raised by the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil, he sees “no alternative” to co-operating with Pakistan in war against terrorism. Regarding the allegations, he said:

“Pakistan must deal with it and make sure terrorists don’t have safe havens in Pakistan, and we need a close partnership and a positive partnership with Pakistan.”

The statements look very similar to those our MMS gives every now and then. They appear to be drafted by the same person.
What I cannot understand is, how come Americans would want to talk to people who have vowed to kill themselves if need be to kill Americans. I do not see any rationale in the dialogue process under these circumstances. bliss to enlighten me!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Oct 2011 11:27

Rudradev wrote:
shiv wrote:. But I was nevertheless puzzled by the behavior and words of people like Chuck Yeager, Brian Cloughley, Eric Margolis, John Fricker and even Christine Fair herself. But it was Fair who pointed out in the article about how Pakis negotiate that they inculcate a sense of "obligation".
Sometimes I wonder about Christine Fair.

I wonder if she hasn't seen through this, and isn't playing the obligation game back against the Pakis... particularly the RAPE-fied Hussain Haqqani type Pakis who are her sources and levers. Given the very, very strident positions she takes sometimes, seeming almost calculated to pi$$ off BRF-type Indians with her public pronouncements... it may all be a show to "oblige" a class of insider Pakis into taking her deeper into their confidence.

And being RAPE-fied, especially in their assumptions about gori wimmens... those Pakis may themselves not realize what is going on, as well as a shrewd Seraiki landlord might.

After all no one could out-do them at that game more efficiently than a gori wimmens turning their biradari-judo back against them.

Added later: one remembers her forthrightness, bordering on rudeness, with Arnab Goswami during the Times Now debate; compared with the flirty, flowery-Urdu-spouting persona she assumes on Pakistan TV. It is easy to assume that this is because she has personal animosity towards Indians and affection for Pakistanis. But maybe it is nothing of the sort. Maybe BOTH these are personas that she puts on with her obligation-game in mind; RAPEs of the Salman Tasseer variety would be as much "obligated" and charmed by her rudeness on Indian TV as by her courtesy on Paki TV.

Indeed,

there are two type of gori wimmen who end up sucking up to the Pakis -

those who hunger for love, which they fail to get elsewhere, and ultimately get exploited in exchange for a few kind words Pakis may have picked up from Bollywood; and
those who understand the Pakis, and their inferiority complex vs Indians, and they play along and massage their egos to exploit them and to get influence over them.

Gori wimmen are neither fascinated by their values and character, nor their personality, nor their intellect, nor their screwed up appearance! If Disney was to make a cartoon on Pakis, they would probably use jackals, vultures and snakes characterization. That is their aura!

Christine Fair most certainly belongs to the second category, who thinks of Pakis as a convenient vehicle for promotion of her career! Disney would probably use a fox to portray her, though not a beautiful one!

Whenever Indians get into some debate with her, say as with the case of Arnab Goswami, ultimately it would be she who would be the winner, because it doesn't matter if she wins any points or not, she would be showing that she is batting for Pakistanis. It gives her another window to prove her pro-Paki views to the Pakis.

It is a simple question of demand and supply. Pakistanis are in a dire need of some ego-boost and she supplies that. In exchange all doors are thrown open for her!

So if I were an Indian, I would completely ignore her! She should not come on Indian TV. If she does Indians should loudly protest that a platform is being given to a known Paki-lover. And she should not be given any Indian visa. If she cannot come to India, she cannot sell herself as a "South-Asia expert"! Get only anti-Paki Americans on Indian TV. If others get prominence her own "expertise" diminishes in value in Washington!

And never lose an opportunity to say, "that she is so ugly, that only a Paki would sleep with her!"

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 18 Oct 2011 11:31

Rasmussen must be having a fartwa somewhere from Pakistan from his Muhammed cartoon days!

Multatuli · Post by **Multatuli** » 18 Oct 2011 12:07

Hari Seldon

Does seem like someone doth protest too much. The sensible thing to do would be to climbdown, accept a momentary lapse of judgment and carry on like nothing happened only. But H&D issues arise, obviously (been there done that...). I hope the forum as a whole ain't 'demonized' too much but that may just be too much to ask for from one out to retrospectively redeem one's actions.

Anyway, choti muh badi baat. What goes of my pocket? This ain't my fight. Continue fighting merrily, o gentle rakshaks...

My thoughts too. I don't like this quality in people who can't admit they were wrong, but instead go on and on arguing, and bring in stuff that has nothing to do with the matter. Such people lack Nyaay. This thread is not for such petty minded whines.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 12:12

Just a heads up for all forum members: post-mullen, more than usual, be on look out for pakis passing themselves off as Indians in the society around you (not with you, obviously ). Any uptick in anti paki sentiment makes them run to deny their pakiness, and claims of being Indian go up by the Pakis.

sum · Post by **sum** » 18 Oct 2011 13:47

From orbat:

The Pakistanis are perfectly correct when they accuse the Indians of helping the anti-Pakistan Taliban. This has been going on for some years now. The Indians, of course, deny this, but they have been aiding Sind separatists for decades, are back in Balochistan after an interval, and yes, have been aiding the anti-Pakistan Taliban. Your enemy's enemy, that sort of thing. Its a tactical move to complicate Pakistan's life, in retaliation for Pakistan attacks against Kashmir.

Given Ravi Rikhye's contacts across Indian powers-that-be, interesting that he mentions this..

Narad · Post by **Narad** » 18 Oct 2011 13:52

Paki high court dispenses justice in Islamic way

In an example of dispensing justice in an Islamic way, a Pakistani court confirmed the interim bail of six top government officials after they swore on the Quran that they were innocent in a corruption case involving millions of rupees.

During a hearing of the matter last week, a division bench of the Lahore high court headed by Chief Justice Ijaz Chaudhry took strict notice of the constant extension in the interim bail of the accused over the past year and announced it would give a decision on confirming their bail at the next hearing.

On Monday, when proceedings started in the high court, the chief justice asked the accused to take oath on the Quran in order to decide the matter without further delay.

The accused took an oath on the Quran and claimed they had not committed any corruption or embezzled even a single rupee.

At this, the chief justice confirmed their interim bail and directed the accused to deposit Rs 500,000 each as surety. The Anti-Corruption Establishment had registered a case against the six officials in June last year on the direction of the Punjab government.

Parks and Horticulture Authority officers Tahir Ijaz, Akhtar Mehmood, Zulfiqar Sulehria, Muhammad Boota, Saeed Ahmad and Azhar Sulehria were found involved in a case of alleged corruption involving Rs 52.5 million.

An anti-corruption court rejected the bail applications of the accused but they secured interim bail from the high court last year.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Oct 2011 14:08

i have always wondered who will take the supari against LET? someone in pukistan will do the job, all it takes is money

partha · Post by **partha** » 18 Oct 2011 14:10

parsuram wrote:Just a heads up for all forum members: post-mullen, more than usual, be on look out for pakis passing themselves off as Indians in the society around you (not with you, obviously ). Any uptick in anti paki sentiment makes them run to deny their pakiness, and claims of being Indian go up by the Pakis.

this post assumes all members are NRIs onlee.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 18 Oct 2011 14:19

Rudradev wrote: Added later: one remembers her forthrightness, bordering on rudeness, with Arnab Goswami during the Times Now debate; compared with the flirty, flowery-Urdu-spouting persona she assumes on Pakistan TV. It is easy to assume that this is because she has personal animosity towards Indians and affection for Pakistanis. But maybe it is nothing of the sort. Maybe BOTH these are personas that she puts on with her obligation-game in mind; RAPEs of the Salman Tasseer variety would be as much "obligated" and charmed by her rudeness on Indian TV as by her courtesy on Paki TV.

This is the highest genre of piskology, and I think you are right. Fair has them sussed out.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 18 Oct 2011 14:51

Dilbu wrote:Pakistan wants a stronger navy

This only means one thing to me, that a 'big' Chinese gift is on its way to the PN.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 14:54

No quiet diplomacy under way with US: Hina Khar

Islamabad: Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar has said that there is no quiet diplomacy underway with the United States.

She was talking to newsmen here at the British High Commission after a function on Monday.

When she was asked about the arrival of US Foreign Secretary Hilary Clinton, she described the reports published in a section of press as concocted.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 15:00

Korean ties with Pak region dates back to 7th century: Joo Choi

Karachi—Ambassador of the Republic of Korea Choong Joo Choi has said though diplomatic relations between Pakistan and the Republic of Korea was formally established in 1996, historic affiliation dated back to seventh century when a Buddhist Monk visited this region. He was talking to the journalists here on Monday focusing on Pak-Korean untapped economic and cultural potentials

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 18 Oct 2011 15:04

Pakistan says Taliban must surrender its arms before peace talks

QUETTA, Pakistan - Pakistan's Interior Minister says that the Taliban must surrender their arms if they wish to enter peace talks with the government.

Rehman Malik warned the militant group while speaking to reporters on Tuesday that there would be no negotiations if the insurgents "held a Kalashnikov (rifle) in one hand."

He says his government had received messages from the insurgents that they wanted talks, but refused to give details.

The Taliban has declared war on the Pakistani government, partly because of its alliance with the U.S. The two sides have signed multiple cease-fire deals during the conflict, but none have lasted.

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 15:09

OK partha, my bad- all forum members are not NRIs. Only a genuine Indian would catch that

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 18 Oct 2011 15:15

SSridhar wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Pakistan wants a stronger navy
This only means one thing to me, that a 'big' Chinese gift is on its way to the PN.

A cheap Chinese aircraft carrier?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Oct 2011 15:23

Submarine.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 18 Oct 2011 15:41

Two from Cardiff held by Kenyan anti-terror police

Two Britons, believed to be from Cardiff, are being questioned by anti-terrorism police in Kenya.A Kenyan police spokesman said they are under investigation by the anti-terrorism unit of the Kenyan police.The two people are UK citizens, although police say one is of Somali descent and the other Pakistani

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 15:50

krishnan wrote:Submarine.

Oy krishnan - you have to tell us these things in time. We were so embarrassed to say anything to our taller than mountain, yellower than fresh lemon, close flend about our confusion. Imagine our surprise when we found none of the excellent thundar airoplanes could fry flom this small boat. So tell us oye cunning hindu krishnan, how does airoplanes fry flom undelwatel, hain jee??? This no doubt a chankian tlik to make us dlown our alopranes, haina jee??? We are not dumm like some paki.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Oct 2011 15:59

You dont known? They built a under water air strip. After attack on mehran , they thought it was wise to built it there

parsuram · Post by **parsuram** » 18 Oct 2011 16:18

krishnan wrote:You dont known? They built a under water air strip. After attack on mehran , they thought it was wise to built it there

You, oye krishnan, you must be the man in charge of Afghan Taliban navy boats.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 18 Oct 2011 16:19

there has been an uptick in the abduction and murder of british tourists by 'somali pirates' from northern kenya recently...

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 18 Oct 2011 16:40

Lalmohan wrote:there has been an uptick in the abduction and murder of british tourists by 'somali pirates' from northern kenya recently...

Was 300 km south of the Kenyan north coast when it happened.
One was a British couple and the second was a French handicapped woman.~~Guess which incident the Paki was involved in?~~

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 18 Oct 2011 16:42

The handicapped women?

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 18 Oct 2011 16:55

krishnan wrote:The handicapped women?

Ok Must admit that came out wrong. Edited in my earlier post. I suspect the Paki to be involved in the kidnapping of the handicapped woman.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 18 Oct 2011 17:05

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/10 ... -ceremony/

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani faced a shock on Monday when the chair he was sitting on during an important function at the National University of Science and Technology (NUST) broke, leaving the participants speculating about his fate as head of the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP)-led coalition government...Gilani, however, smartly balanced his weight by leaning forward. This triggered quiet activity at the rear of the stage.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 18 Oct 2011 17:11

krishnan wrote:You dont known? They built a under water air strip. After attack on mehran , they thought it was wise to built it there

joo mean this ?
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