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http://thenextweb.com/in/2011/10/13/att ... -facebook/

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New Delhi-based charity Whypoll is set to release its Fight Back mobile app for BlackBerry and Nokia mobile phones in India, in an attempt to counter the growing problem of women being harassed and sexually assaulted in the country’s capital, according to a Reuters report.Fight Back will allow targeted women to immediately send out an SOS via text message to five people, including the local police, and post it on social networks like Facebook and Twitter. If the phone has GPS, the messages will include its location as well, in order to assist others in reaching the scene of the crime.Furthermore, the app will keep track of the locations in the city where the crimes occur and help the charity organisers chart out an accurate map of which areas of the Indian capital are most unsafe for women.It is scheduled to be launched in November this year and will be available from the Whypoll website at a small price. The SOS messages sent out in the form of text messages will be charged as per the user’s tariff plan.
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^ That map above matches with A5 range

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India: After fatwa, Muslims demand name change of Bollywood movie -- or else :(
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/10/india ... -else.html
Mumbai, Oct 12 (IANS) Bollywood movie "Azaan", scheduled to be released Friday, has run into rough weather after a Samajwadi Party leader from the city approached the Bombay High Court, saying the film's name hurts Muslim sentiments. The case was filed after Naeem Akhtar Azmi, the mufti (chief priest) of Sunni Darul-Uloom Mohammediya Minara Masjid, Wednesday issued a 'fatwa' that no film can be named after 'azaan' -- the auspicious call to prayers to Muslim faithful.The 'fatwa' came in response to an open query posed by Mumbai Samajwadi Party vice-president Farookh Ghosi."Following the fatwa, I have filed a writ petition in the high court seeking the court's directions to file an FIR (first information report) against the movie producers, director and actors for abusing and exploiting the holy name of 'azaan' for commercial gains, which has hurt Muslim sentiments," Ghosi told IANS.The petitioner has also demanded a stay on the global release of the film Friday and a ban on the movie till the producers change its name.The petition is expected to come up for hearing in a day or so, and Ghosi said he has written to the state government seeking its urgent intervention in the matter."If the state government fails to respond within the next 24 hours, over 10,000 Muslims along with muftis and maulanas shall stage demonstrations after the Friday afternoon namaaz all over Mumbai," Ghosi warned.
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how much media attention is this receiving? it should be plastered across all the channels and print media...
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Most likely that Samajwadi Party leader is invested in the film thru this contacts. Or else the films rivals set him up.

Its a Bollywood cat fight.
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But through spaces within that catfight, a mullah becomes a leader. Moreover he can get away with it - with no media frenzy and snide comments tearing at him, the case it would have been if it had come from the "Indic". No pre-emptive rashtryia action to prevent deterioration of the law-and-order situation.

These catfights were exactly the fights between would-be and already-were congrezmen in the early decades of 20th century - which pushed the future ML leaders forward into political assertion and space.
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What gets my goat is Mullah /s threat are becoming penny a pound yet no one put a plug in their mouth. Mullah Bikhari uttered the same kind of words in PMO.
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http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/201 ... ty_schools
Decline Watch: Ivy League universities are now India's safety schools
In its seamless blending of globalization, "rise of the rest," and the gnawing anxieties of upper middle-class American parents, the New York Times piece which arrives just in time for college admissions season comes pretty close to hitting the NYT trend story sweet spot.
NEW DELHI — Moulshri Mohan was an excellent student at one of the top private high schools in New Delhi. When she applied to colleges, she received scholarship offers of $20,000 from Dartmouth and $15,000 from Smith. Her pile of acceptance letters would have made any ambitious teenager smile: Cornell, Bryn Mawr, Duke, Wesleyan, Barnard and the University of Virginia. But because of her 93.5 percent cumulative score on her final high school examinations, which are the sole criteria for admission to most colleges here, Ms. Mohan was rejected by the top colleges at Delhi University, better known as D.U., her family’s first choice and one of India’s top schools. “Daughter now enrolled at Dartmouth!” her mother, Madhavi Chandra, wrote, updating her Facebook page. “Strange swings this admission season has shown us. Can’t get into DU, can make it to the Ivies.” Ms. Mohan, 18, is now one of a surging number of Indian students attending American colleges and universities, as competition in India has grown formidable, even for the best students. With about half of India’s 1.2 billion people under the age of 25, and with the ranks of the middle class swelling, the country’s handful of highly selective universities are overwhelmed. This summer, Delhi University issued cutoff scores at its top colleges that reached a near-impossible 100 percent in some cases. The Indian Institutes of Technology, which are spread across the country, have an acceptance rate of less than 2 percent — and that is only from a pool of roughly 500,000 who qualify to take the entrance exam, a feat that requires two years of specialized coaching after school.
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Decline watch
( Dil ke behlane ko, yea, yeh Khyal Accha hai. Think for a minute , neither India or China or matter of fact Japan or Korea will be able to win the Super Bowl )
Like I said, this one's going viral because, like Amy Chua's Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother, it feeds into the fears of American parents that they're not doing enough to prepare their kids to compete with a massive influx of smart kids of India and China. But the real story here is that India doesn't have enough elite educational institutions to meet the demand of its qualified students. The fact that students like Moulshri are willing to pay$41,736 per year for Dartmouth instead of $500 for an Indian school says a lot.
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Learning from a barefoot movement: Bunker Roy on TED.com
In Rajasthan, India, an extraordinary school teaches rural women and men — many of them illiterate — to become solar engineers, artisans, dentists and doctors in their own villages. It’s called the Barefoot College, and its founder, Bunker Roy, explains how it works

http://blog.ted.com/2011/10/17/learning ... n-ted-com/
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Sufi clerics issue call to reject hardline Wahabis
NEW DELHI: A prominent organization of Sunni clerics has urged Muslims to reject hardline Wahabi Islam, which it said was giving the community a bad name, and called for limiting the influence of Saudi Arabia, which it blamed for meddling in the affairs of Indian Muslims by pumping in petro-dollars.

At a mahapanchayat in Moradabad, UP, the All India Ulama and Mashaikh Board (AIUMB), which claims the support of a majority of Indian Muslims, rooted for Sufi traditions of Islam propagating tolerance and harmony.

"About 100 years ago, Sunni Muslims in India had rejected the Wahabis. After Independence, however, the Wahabis expanded their influence through political backing. While we remained away from government and politics, Wahabis gained control over institutions dealing with minority affairs, including the wakf board and the Muslim Personal Law Board," said AIUMB general secretary Syed Mohammed Ashraf Kachochavi at Sunday's meet.

AIUMB spokesperson Syed Babar Ashraf said 80% of Indian Muslims followed the Sunni Sufi tradition while Wahabis wielded control over just 13-14% of the community. "But a large section of the Urdu press has boycotted us. They are controlled by hardliners," Ashraf said.

He said Wahabi-inspired outfits like Deoband, Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind and Ahl-e-Hadees were importing a "foreign ideology" into India. "They are funded by petro-dollars and aim to grab political power," Ashraf said.

AIUMB urged the Centre to set up a central madrasa board, including a member of each Sufi 'silsila' (order) in India and one from Shias or Bohras. The funding of madrasas should be audited to check the influx of Saudi petro-dollars, it said.

AIUMB leaders claimed Wahabi-inspired outfits were feeding on the frustration of Muslims and indoctrinating them in radical Islam. "Muslims should be careful about such anti-national activities in the name of religion. If they find any extremist exhorting them to terrorism, they should immediately hand over the person to police," said Kachochavi.

Unlike the Sufis, Wahabis are against praying at dargahs (shrines) and graves and many of the cultural practices embedded in South Asian Islamic traditions. "Millions of Muslims visit the Prophet's shrine at Madina every year. Muslims are following the Prophet when they pray at dargahs. Why should it be un-Islamic?" asked Hazrat Shahid Mian Chishti, dargah-in-charge of Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti's dargah at Ajmer.

AIUMB also released a memorandum urging the external affairs ministry to ask the Saudi Arabian government to stop "destroying historical places and preserve sites associated with the Prophet, his family and his Sahabas (companions)".

Arshad Alam, assistant professor, Jamia Millia Islamia University said, "This movement is articulating the ethnic roots of Islam in India. It's not just about a religious identity but placing this identity in the national context."

Alam, author of the book, 'Inside a Madarsa', said Deobandis aspire to an Arabian model of Islam which obliterates the ethnic identity of Indian Muslims.

Islamic scholar Maulana Wahiduddin Khan, however, didn't accept the presence of Wahabi-inspired hardliners in India. "At best you can call them mild fundamentalists. Muslims can't afford to be radical in India. About 95% of Indian Muslims had Hindu ancestors. So Hindu culture dominates India, the basis of which is tolerance. For extremism to flourish, you need a Muslim-majority country like Pakistan," he said. :rotfl:

The AIUMB plans to hold mahapanchayats and Sunni conferences to spread their message every six months. They have held such programmes at Bhagalpur, Bihar, and West Bengal.
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Elites dont get it. A commentary on elite reaction to mayawati's statugiri


Elites Dont get it
Elites don’t get it
Jaithirth Rao
Posted: Tue Oct 18 2011,

Media pundits are having a great time taking swipes at the building projects of the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh. Self-appointed fiscal hawks are critical about the waste of taxpayer’s money. Self-appointed defenders of the poor keep harping on the fact that the money could have been spent on education or medical facilities for the poor. Upper-class aesthetes are concerned that Mayawati’s lavish parks and garish statues do not meet with their self-proclaimed standards of architectural and sculptural beauty. In other words, the efforts are somewhat kitschy. Net-net elitists are either angry or ashamed or embarrassed by the edifices of the current dispensation in UP.

{Same media pundits don't have any angst on the Nehru-Gandhi family usurption of all improtant national projects in post independent India. Its Stalinist in essence.}

They forget a central theme in human affairs: all architecture is political. Tirumala Nayak’s palace in Madurai, the Red Fort in Delhi, Herbert Baker’s Parliament in New Delhi are all political statements meant to overawe subjects or impress them in other ways. By the way, this is also true of Trajan’s Column in Rome, the Arc de Triomphe in Paris, the Washington Monument in DC and St Paul’s Cathedral in London. With the rise of nationalism and the excessive interest in “identity politics” that has characterised the last two centuries, architecture has been used consciously or otherwise, by elites, to create, enhance and sustain pride in group identities.
In our country, in keeping with our obsessions with name and form (“naama-roopa” in Sanskrit), groups have focused not only on erecting buildings, complexes and statues, but also on naming them in order to obtain desired political mileage. This explains the actions in Maharashtra of re-naming British buildings. The British christened as Victoria Terminus the largest station of the Great Indian Peninsular Railway; the leading museum of western India was named for the Prince of Wales. These were well-considered acts. Re-naming them for Shivaji is also a deliberate political act. The buildings do not become any less gothic or Indo-Saracenic; they cannot be considered examples of Maratha architecture. But they do project the desired triumphalism of the new rulers. When the Somnath temple was re-built in the forties, the person behind it, K.M. Munshi, emphasised the fact that the temple was rising again like a phoenix. What was this, if not a political statement about Hindu resurgence? The Mantap on the famous Vivekananda Rock south of Kanyakumari can and should be seen as a statement of political assertion on the part of a modern version of Hinduism. Soon after this structure was constructed, the DMK sponsored a massive statue of the Tamil poet Tiruvalluvar on another rock close by. This act was an assertion of a Tamil and Dravidian identity and a riposte to the Vivekananda memorial. The choice made in the naming of buildings is also not accidental and is meant to give a message to citizens. When the Delhi airport is named for Indira Gandhi, a massive university is named for Jawaharlal Nehru, a postmodern road bridge is named for Rajiv Gandhi or a wildlife park is named for Sanjay Gandhi, the message being given is that the Nehru-Gandhi family represents the politics of modernity and ecological concern. In many parts of India, one comes across swanky, well-painted, flood-lit mosques of recent vintage. These are visible political statements of Islamic resurgence and the power of money from the Gulf and Saudi Arabia.

The underlying assumption is that group pride and loyalty can be manipulated using buildings and their names as instruments. The official brochures and colourful advertisements of the Government of India have also been working hard to generate pride in India’s past, leveraging photographs of monuments. The buildings depicted carefully avoid any from the British era, which is assumed to be a shameful period that is best forgotten. But there are plenty of photographs of the Taj Mahal, the Sanchi Stupa, the Hampi chariot, the Lingaraja temple, the Brihadeeshwara temple, etc. The schoolchildren of India — and for that matter all citizens — are expected to be filled with an overwhelming sense of pride as they get acquainted with the great architectural achievements of their ancestors. The not-so-subtle message is that we were a great country before the British came.


Even as they indulge their pride (misplaced or otherwise) contemplating the architecture and the names of the past and present, India’s elites seem to forget the ironical fact that the Dalits do not have much of a place in these sanitised propaganda efforts. Upper-caste Hindus may take pride in the Madurai temple; Muslims may take pride in the Gol Gumbaz; Jains may take pride in the Gomateshwara statue; Sikhs may take pride in the Amritsar Golden Temple; Buddhists may take pride in the Sanchi Stupa; Christians may take pride in the San Thome Cathedral. What are Dalits to take pride in? The grand temples of India (including the ruined ones) are only reminders of buildings where the ancestors of today’s Dalits were denied entry.

It is this lacuna in Dalit identity formation that Mayawati has brilliantly recognised. She is not at all stupid when she builds a park and erects statues with the conscious motive of overawing visitors with a sense of gigantism. She is imitating Rajaraja, Shah Jahan and Hardinge. And she understands that, in a century or two, a Dalit parent can proudly take his or her children to the monument and show it to the young ones with a measure of pride whispering in their ears, “We had a great leader — look around you and take pride in what she built.” We fail to understand the important political purpose of Mayawati’s projects, but we overlook the DMK’s aesthetically challenged statues, we dare not criticise the repeated use of Shivaji’s name and we acquiesce in the monopolisation of the public space by the Nehru-Gandhi family. :rotfl:

Mayawati is a superb politician and will go down in history as one who did what great statesmen from Augustus Caesar down have done — she is using architecture to achieve political ends. Dalits get this. The chattering elites need to abandon their double standards and understand this.


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Atri wrote:Sufi clerics issue call to reject hardline Wahabis
Muslims can't afford to be radical in India. About 95% of Indian Muslims had Hindu ancestors. So Hindu culture dominates India, the basis of which is tolerance. For extremism to flourish, you need a Muslim-majority country like Pakistan," he said. :rotfl:
This is a Freudian slip.

What it means is that Muslims can't afford to be radical in India, because they are not in majority.

If anyone has doubts on how the muslim-society behaves when they are in majority one need not go to Pakistan or Bangladesh. It is evident in cash-mere valley and various muslim-majority areas across India.

http://heavenawaits.wordpress.com/musli ... -increase/
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Perhaps one need to pass a law in India, that any naming of any piece of architecture, infrastructure, protection zone, institution or whatever in the name of some personality, should be undertaken only if the concerned personality is at least 100 years dead!
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^ :mrgreen:

That will be more difficult than establishing a link language.

"Kare Rajulu, Rajyamul Galugave, Garvonnatim bondire, vareri?"

There have been many kings, even more established kingdoms, even more were proud of their achievements. Where are they now? Where are their kingdoms?
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For the English educated folks quote "Ozymandias" by Shelley!
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Ozymandias was an English lesson in 9th/10th grade for us 8)

I quoted Sri Potana Bhagavatam (story of emperor Bali in Vamana Avatar) for what happened next. Both Bali and Ozymandias reached same conclusion. But what they did after that realization differentiates SD from rest.

That is why I constantly bring the parallels between Jesus and other western saints and SD Rishis/Emperors.

Abrahamic constructs saw sin everywhere and their great seers showed super-human qualities to serve those sinners. On the other hand SD seers saw God everywhere and did what they thought "was" their duty. There is no sinner to uplift, it is just a humble realization of all pervading truth/Param.
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Mizo CM under attack over ‘Hindu celebration’
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times
Guwahati, October 18, 2011

First Published: 23:20 IST(18/10/2011)
Last Updated: 00:02 IST(19/10/2011)

Mizoram’s opposition party Mizo National Front (MNF) has slammed chief minister Lal Thanhawla for participating in the Hindu festivals Durga Puja and Dussehra in Kolkata this month. MNF vice president R Tlanghmingthanga said, “We strongly condemn Lal Thanhawla for attending the
celebrations and hope that he will seek forgiveness from God.” His party, he added, regarded it as “betraying his God and forsaking his Christianity”. Tlanghmingthanga said Thanhawla was also “guilty” of breaking a coconut — a Hindu ritual — to inaugurate the Tuivawl Bridge in Mizoram on January 24 and the Mizoram House in New Delhi last year.
Lal Thanhawla declined to comment beyond saying the MNF had nothing to do with his faith. But his Congress party underscored the MNF’s “narrow-mindedness” while pointing out that the CM and his wife Lal Riliani attended a Dussehra programme in Kolkata as chief guests.

“In a secular country, a chief minister has no religious barriers. Besides, the Kolkata programme was of a cultural nature,” said a Congress spokesperson in state capital Aizawl.

“The MNF must have forgotten that their leader Zoramthanga had entered a gurdwara outside Mizoram sporting a turban,” said the spokesperson. “Did the late President Giani Zail Singh convey an anti-Sikh message by attending church services in Mizoram?” he asked.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mizo-CM-u ... 58866.aspx
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How the Indian vocabulary got editedAspiration, wealth creation, demographic dividend, superpower…Why don’t we hear these words and phrases any more?
http://www.livemint.com/2011/10/1911111 ... .html?h=A1
( This kind of S..happen when you vote for UPA kind of politicians)
We don’t hear many of those terms any more, do we? Aspiration, wealth creation, confident, surging, superpower…Forget cocktail conversations, even the economic papers don’t talk about China much nowadays.Of course, the whole world today bears a much battered look than it did in 2008. But the changes in India, in my opinion, do not have to do to a significant extent with the shape of the world economy.Traditionally, except for brief flashes, Indian voters generally accepted their lot and blamed it on karma. It is only post-economic reforms that Indian politicians have been scared of voters for any length of time. But the nature of that scare has changed dramatically in the last few years. Earlier, the fear was that the aspirations of voters were rising so fast that no democratically elected government could fulfil them in the four or five years time it had. That was why, said the politicians, very few governments (at Centre or state level) were able to hang on to power for more than one term. More than two terms was a miracle.But today, our politicians may be scared of a different phenomenon, a different upsurge of feeling. Very large chunks of voters today believe, not that their aspirations are not being met fast enough, but that their hopes and dreams were being played around with. It’s not the speed of the race that is in question any more, it is whether the race was ever for real—and if it was real, whether the owners of the tracks ever wanted the race to go on beyond a point.
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Introductory Talk at Uberoi Foundation Oct 1st, 2011
Rajiv Malhotra
Video 1 (34:48min)
http://beingdifferentbook.com/uberoivideo1/
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Prem: thanks for posting.

I wish all BRF-ites would take the 20-30 mins needed to watch Rajiv Malhotra's presentations. I have rarely seen anyone do as good a job of explaining what it truly means to be Dharmic, or Indic.

Paraphrasing:

"Sometimes a Christian will ask me: 'Have you been saved?'... and I reply: 'I was never condemned to begin with.'"
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^^^
another favorite of mine is "are you a God-fearing man?" reply: "I am a God-loving man".
that's something I've experienced in my life. it was thoroughly amusing to watch the expression on the person's face when I gave my reply...
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When a God or His supposed last spokesperson on this Blue Planet proclaim "Fear me and God" , Indic have no option left but to reject on ground of being not only inexperienced childish babbling but also inusulting to human intelligence . Sri Ramkrishna once explained that Glory of Lord is sung by unripend souls as they perceive their existence separately thus stuck in Duality. A child of an mighty poweful Emepror sees nothing but a Bappu in him and sits in his lap,playing ,pulling his beard and ears, sticking fingers in eyes and nose while many millions stand in awe of Emperor and dont dare to come close.
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I have preordered the book after the talk
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Thanks, Prem.

Something I've always been interested in - universal values that follow from Dharma. Looks like the book will only start shipping in end November though.
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WHich is why Sikular Ideology is Rampant in NALSAR Hyderabad type of colleges. a relative of mine claimed she knows Islam better than the Saudis and what they practice is not Islam.
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Aditya_V wrote:WHich is why Sikular Ideology is Rampant in NALSAR Hyderabad type of colleges. a relative of mine claimed she knows Islam better than the Saudis and what they practice is not Islam.
There is a more fundamental problem with Indian psyche.
We have been brought up in a very conservative mindset of Dharma. Our family structure, our dharmic teachings at home by our parents and grand parents all had a cumulative effect. If Gandhi did not exist and we had got our freedom predominantly by Bhagat Singh and Veer Savarkar and had Patel as the Prime Minister we would not be having this discussion. Gandhi touched the very pulse of the nation. Either he touched it by sheer luck or he is a genius is a discussion for another debate. We have this secular thing ingrained in us and it will take a couple of generations to come out.
There is nothing too dangerous about this secular instinct to be afraid off. We have shown our true colors in 1971,1999 and other instances. We just need more time to be our true selves.
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I might be way off the mark though!
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She should convert then and trounce the mullahs in debates, show Muslims how much better she knows Islam lol.

These types only get cured of their delusion when the Ghazi's blade kisses their neck.

IMO they are more dangerous than the Taliban because they enable them.

I always preferred honest fellows like Mullah Omar over these white washers.
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"a relative of mine claimed she knows Islam better than the Saudis and what they practice is not Islam."

She knows Islam better than the Saudis, Iranians, Pakistanis, Taliban, Malaysians, Nigerians...

Where, when and how does this real Islam exist? It seems to exist in the minds of a few Moslem apologists sitting in the West and India, where there is great freedom of speech and expression. Irshad Manji is one such figure, who is certainly very critical of Islam as it displays itself now, but who feels the real Islam is very tolerant and rational. What about the actual behaviour of early Islam under its founder and propagators? Would that be her model and citation for the 'real Islam". Because that, as many people know, would be very problematic, to put it mildly.
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PrasadZ wrote:Came across this interview of edward luttwak by chance. Sounded a little like an old doc on this forum :)

http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-polit ... wak/?all=1

Some members may recognize similar libraries!

Most of what he says applies to Indians too. Suggest people read the article in full and think it over.
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I don't think the guy(Luttwak) is any friend of India, though. At least in the spring of 2001, he was critical of India's GSLV launch, stating that the money could be used more productively i.e poverty alleviation. Generally, not a pleasant, affable fellow.
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They still have the White Mans Burden syndrome with them. That generation will talk about it and one person who talks to me still talks about the babies left to die on railway tracks in Culcutta in 1945 during famine.

We need to ignore that.
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http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/201 ... ution.html
In this rural setting, where Christianity has never gained a foothold, children are learning Bible verses—and so are their families. Almost three times as many students have applied for admission as the school can accommodate.OMI teachers live in the surrounding villages, one married couple per three villages. OMI teachers are viewed with great respect. When they start church fellowships in their homes, they do not encounter the same level of resistance as do traditional missionaries.Churches are opened as the school gains credibilityBanning Westerners Helped
OMI did not start out this way. "When I first went to India in 1964," says Operation Mobilization (OM) founder George Verwer, "I knew right away this was my nation of destiny. I immediately moved my whole family there and made it a priority."Historically a hot-gospel, street-preaching, tract-distributing ministry, OM is one of the world's largest mission organizations, working in 115 countries through 6,000 staff members.Those gospel pilgrims were inclusive, evangelistic, and itinerant. OM attracted countercultural young people who were open to adventure. Many of the first missionaries to India had studied at Oxford and Cambridge. As Verwer notes, "Indians admired university students," and the fact that the elite students had adopted a simple life of discipleship "got gossiped [about] across the country.
While many educated Indians see caste withering away in a globalizing India, D'souza believes it remains a battleground where the church must engage. "Globalization has empowered the upper caste even more. Why, 20 years in, is not one telecom owned by a Dalit or an OBC [another poor tribal group]? Why does no media organization have a Dalit editor?"
Not that OMI's ministry is for Dalits only."In urban congregations that are bilingual, the upper caste happily comes in. The first responders are often upper-caste women, because they are asking the same questions that Dalits ask. A Brahmin woman is a slave to her husband," says D'souza
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Reading the Bible affects attitudes toward science as well. If you just ask people about biblical literalism, you don't find statistically significant differences in views of whether science and religion are compatible. But the more someone reads the Bible, the more likely he or she is to believe science and religion are compatible. (For each increase on the five-point scale, the odds that they see religion and science as incompatible decrease by 22 percent.)
(Om or MO=Modus Operandi)
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"That generation will talk about it and one person who talks to me still talks about the babies left to die on railway tracks in Culcutta in 1945 during famine.

We need to ignore that."

Yes, the generation in the West born in the 1920's and 1930's, is generally very reactionary and simplistic regarding India. There are honourable exceptions, but for these people, it is almost all starvation, caste, partition violence and Gandhi. India's complexity and dynamism totally escapes them.
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That is mighty Christian of them - to save Hindoo women from their owners.

I am truly impressed that these are the same Christians who used to burn redheads in Europe as they were obviously the devil's spawn. The burning of women as witches is overused. (I bet they omit that little skeleton from the closet.....not to worry, there are plenty more).
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Hindus have a lot to learn from Muslims when it comes to defending their faith. You won't see evangelicals in the midst of Muslims in India. They target only Hindus. The soft target.

This is something I admire the Muslims community in the world. If it was not for Muslims defending against the wrath of the predatory nature of the onward soldiers of evangelicals, even Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism would not have survived in this world.

In a way, Hindus owe Muslim for not allowing the Goliath to decimate the world into a single religious entity.

You don't see Muslims running around neighborhood to neighborhood targeting Hinduism to be decimated... do you?

IMO, Hinduism survived because of the middle east. The middle east was the citadel that kept the Goliath at bay for 2000 years.

Every Hindu owes every Muslim of the world for that.
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Manny wrote:Hindus have a lot to learn from Muslims when it comes to defending their faith. You won't see evangelicals in the midst of Muslims in India. They target only Hindus. The soft target.

This is something I admire the Muslims community in the world. If it was not for Muslims defending against the wrath of the predatory nature of the onward soldiers of evangelicals, even Buddhism, Hinduism and Sikhism would not have survived in this world.

In a way, Hindus owe Muslim for not allowing the Goliath to decimate the world into a single religious entity.

You don't see Muslims running around neighborhood to neighborhood targeting Hinduism to be decimated... do you?

IMO, Hinduism survived because of the middle east. The middle east was the citadel that kept the Goliath at bay for 2000 years.
Read more, type less.
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Experience more and read less.
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And what comes next?

Understand more, experience less?! :D

Just kidding!
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